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Tarteo Delagoan Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:01:00 - [1111] Well, my desktop PC is busted, and my backup laptop only supports shader 1.4 Gotta get a new PC fast...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:50:00 - [1112] Originally by: Spc One Edited by: Spc One on 18/01/2009 00:20:53 It is ok to go to PS 3.0 but not to 4.0. I think there are alot of people who will use Windows XP for very very long and since XP has a support of max 3.0 i wouldn't suggest to go for PS 4.0. I will not be switching to vista or windows 7 at any cost - not even for eve in the future if support goes for 4.0/4.1. I think that for notebooks PS2.0 is the standard and it will stay that way for very long but for desktops PS3.0 is ok as long as it is not PS4.0. All of my desktops support PS 3.0 (DX 9.0c) except the notebook which supports PS 2.0 max. Maybe not very relevant to this topic but this is untrue. Windows XP , in fact even windows 2000 have access to PS 4.0. Just not in directX. In OpenGL you can have SM 4 shaders, doe snto matter the operating system. The limitation of DirectX10 cannot be installed in XP is purely artificial from Microsoft.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:53:00 - [1113] Originally by: AnyOldIron I agree with Toshiro Greyhawk who writes his points very well,this is not a single ,off the shelf standalone game. It`s something we pay for again and again, there are supposed to be 285,000 subscribers. 285k x $15 x 12months (and that`s the minimum subscription with my payment method i pay TWICE that). Your CLASSIC dev team must have an incredible wage. SHAME a lot of your customers don`t (but then THAT`s not your problem is it) Seen this in other MMO`s , the rich will keep playing the poor won`t and there will be more like this round the corner. in fact wages on iceland (At lest prior to crisis ) were basically the highest in the world. The DO have huge costs. And not only that, most high profile game companies have some sort of sponsoring from NVIDIA, AMD or intel for new projects. And those want games that demand more and more hardware.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.18 10:55:00 - [1114] Originally by: Ulviirala Vauryndar Is it too much effort to have it support to work with 1/1.1 Shaders? I read the blog and understand the problems. As of yet I can't afford new hardware until May and even then I have to wait for the annual bills. I'd like it to look awesome but its just not possible atm and its perfectly fine with me, I like it the way it looks on my machine, true love ;) Coming back from a break and using the 5-days free activation offer today but I'm not extending gametime by 60d, I guess. Since the Premium Lite client wouldn't run without being able to support Shaders 2.0 or above (radeon 9100 chipset on AGP card). due to fact that ccp decided to use Direct X, yes it is. Direct X doe snot support anymore SM 1.X. You can only make 1.X class shaders with openGL currently, or downgrade the DirectX SDK (Then you loose the SM3 support)
Axel Vindislaga	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:15:00 - [1115] Originally by: Zenologic why do people keep saying "we"? "we don't want shiny graphics, we want game play..blah blah blah". I want the best graphics possible. i want to play a complex game that makes you think and calculate, and i want it to look awesome at the same time. wanting great graphics does not mean you are dumb. playing three eve clients all day long on an assortment of ancient hardware is, well, another story. it really doesn't matter because its the same story over and over. ccp makes a change to the game and hoards of whiners flock en masse to the forum to say how they're going to have to quit eve now because eve is going to be ruined. too shiny, too dull, too powerful, too weak,... I say keep up the good work CCP. Too bloody right mate...
Locus Renolds	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:15:00 - [1116] I have only just subscribed (for 6 months) to EVE Online and my video card only supports shader model 1.4 (it's a ATI 9200SE). I know the card is old but if I knew EVE was going to phase out support for that shader model I would not have subscribed. I do not object to the updating of the graphics etc but I would like more notice that what has been proposed (and as far as I can tell it has not even been confirmed yet). If shader 1.4 was to be phased out in 6 months time then I could at least have ample notice to either end my subscription at that time or get some money together for some PC upgrades.
AnyOldIron	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:26:00 - [1117] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: AnyOldIron I agree with Toshiro Greyhawk who writes his points very well,this is not a single ,off the shelf standalone game. It`s something we pay for again and again, there are supposed to be 285,000 subscribers. 285k x $15 x 12months (and that`s the minimum subscription with my payment method i pay TWICE that). Your CLASSIC dev team must have an incredible wage. SHAME a lot of your customers don`t (but then THAT`s not your problem is it) Seen this in other MMO`s , the rich will keep playing the poor won`t and there will be more like this round the corner. in fact wages on iceland (At lest prior to crisis ) were basically the highest in the world. The DO have huge costs. And not only that, most high profile game companies have some sort of sponsoring from NVIDIA, AMD or intel for new projects. And those want games that demand more and more hardware.
AnyOldIron	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:27:00 - [1118] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: AnyOldIron I agree with Toshiro Greyhawk who writes his points very well,this is not a single ,off the shelf standalone game. It`s something we pay for again and again, there are supposed to be 285,000 subscribers. 285k x $15 x 12months (and that`s the minimum subscription with my payment method i pay TWICE that). Your CLASSIC dev team must have an incredible wage. SHAME a lot of your customers don`t (but then THAT`s not your problem is it) Seen this in other MMO`s , the rich will keep playing the poor won`t and there will be more like this round the corner. in fact wages on iceland (At lest prior to crisis ) were basically the highest in the world. The DO have huge costs. And not only that, most high profile game companies have some sort of sponsoring from NVIDIA, AMD or intel for new projects. And those want games that demand more and more hardware. I will try again it seems my messages are being intercepted and edited or there is a bug in this forum
AnyOldIron	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:36:00 - [1119] You make excellent points Kaguro, but i`ve been in this business 26 yrs, 12 of that in systems development. The hardware companies sponsor software development to push Hardware sales faster and faster, leading to the situation we have today. Where any hardware you buy (pc or mobile phone,etc) is virtually OBSOLETE the day you buy it, other industries may be able to withstand that sort of pressure (Fashion comes to mind). In this industry that Breakneck speed is not sustainable for long, most of you don`t need twice the cpu ,Ram etc for your needs , you need it to run your operating system`s latest insanity. I set up a vista machine the other day for a customer, just sitting at the desktop it used 70% of 1 core and 60% of RAM is that sane ?? considering that at it`s purest an operating system is only there so YOU can run YOUR software. By the way the customer told me to put it back to XP.
Nutsy Squirrel Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:06:00 - [1120] Originally by: Polinus I really think the DOCKED client with minimal requierments is such a BASIC and NEEDED idea that its impossible CCP never tought of it. I saw this question a few times in the first few pages of this thread, but since it is still being asked, I am under the impression it has not been answered. - Click ESC - Click Display and Graphics tab - Uncheck Load Station Environment in the Misc section of the center column. This will make the station a static background image.
hauntingappiriton	Posted - 2009.01.18 17:53:00 - [1121] well one i dont like premium graphics on eve i dont like the view of it while some do thats ok but for the pure fact i do run dual clients on one machine and that has nothign to do with the reason i dont like the premium grpahics but it does make me wonder if i can or will still be able to run my dual clients as i do on my one machine cause ill just sell my toons and be done with eve im a little sick of the eve rambos who come to this game cause there lives suck in rl and talk crap not only that voice chat is worse =) have a nice day btw yes it is a game and not your life i am tired of hearing you got divorced over eve online go ^&& your wives da&
Rock'n'Roll Lady	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:23:00 - [1122] 1. Go to http://www.eve-online.com/ 2. Go to My Accounts page 3. Click on Cancel Subscription and then press the button, now you are free
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:35:00 - [1123] It is entirely possible to play Eve using only the menus and overview - granted fleet combat combat and missions would be tough. For those who want to use laptops to change skills and perhaps do some hauling or trading, how about an option to turn the 3Dgfx completely off? I imagine someone has suggested this already but I don't feel like reading 37 pages.
Ken LEEEEEEE Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:40:00 - [1124] nice , I pay the gtc to play eve and now I have to pay to upgrade my pc to play eve ...AWESOME GAME !
Hanntaa	Posted - 2009.01.18 19:02:00 - [1125] hey guys like i said previously my laptop has just broken and being a student i need a new one asap, but i clearly want to be able to play eve on it with the final sm3.0 changes happening. i was looking around on some websites for computers ranging in price and came across these, which from what i can tell will work fine with sm3.0 Processor Type: Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 processor Processor speed: 2.0GHz, 800 MHz, 2MB Cache Memory Size: 3 GB MB Hard Drive Capacity: 250 GB Graphics Card Type: ATi Mobility Radeon HD3470 -------------------------------------------------------- OR Processor Type:Intel Core 2 Duo P7350 Processor speed:2.00 GHz Memory Size:2 GB MB Memory Type:DDR2 RAM Hard Drive Capacity:250 GB Graphics Card Type:nVidia GeForce 9200M GS any help or advice would be really appreciated,im basicly looking for a laptop around ú600 that will enable me to play eve for at least a couple of years.
Erim Solfara Amarr House of Solfara	Posted - 2009.01.18 20:25:00 - [1126] Every blog I read with a significant change discussed in it just leads me more and more to the opinion that CCP has finally turned into the corporate monster that all game development companies finally do. I mean, 'Premium Lite'?! COME ON, give it a name that doesn't reek of trying to stay as non-descript and on the fence as possible in order to keep the majority of your playerbase happy. I'm seeing adverts for EVE everywhere I go on the internet now, it's ridiculous, and offers being thrown at my inbox because of an account I had subscribed for 2 months some years ago, seems to me like they're getting desperate. I have an older machine, built several years ago and upgraded and maintained since. I'm a loyal eve player, hell I would have to be to still be here after all these changes I haven't liked, and have been playing since June 2006. I currently run an Athlon 2500 32 bit single core processor, a gig of ram, and an X800GTO. My graphics card is not the bottleneck in my system, it makes no sense for me to upgrade it when it's the rest of the system that is in desperate need of some financial injections. As a university student, who spends what little money he has free after his uni expenses and eve subscription on his bike, which is also in an increasingly aged state, I can't afford to upgrade my pc for quite some time, if SM2 goes out the window, I'm gone.
CyberGh0st Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:32:00 - [1127] Originally by: Hanntaa hey guys like i said previously my laptop has just broken and being a student i need a new one asap, but i clearly want to be able to play eve on it with the final sm3.0 changes happening. i was looking around on some websites for computers ranging in price and came across these, which from what i can tell will work fine with sm3.0 Processor Type: Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 processor Processor speed: 2.0GHz, 800 MHz, 2MB Cache Memory Size: 3 GB MB Hard Drive Capacity: 250 GB Graphics Card Type: ATi Mobility Radeon HD3470 -------------------------------------------------------- OR Processor Type:Intel Core 2 Duo P7350 Processor speed:2.00 GHz Memory Size:2 GB MB Memory Type:DDR2 RAM Hard Drive Capacity:250 GB Graphics Card Type:nVidia GeForce 9200M GS any help or advice would be really appreciated,im basicly looking for a laptop around ú600 that will enable me to play eve for at least a couple of years. Definatly this one : Processor Type: Intel Core 2 Duo T6400 processor Processor speed: 2.0GHz, 800 MHz, 2MB Cache Memory Size: 3 GB MB Hard Drive Capacity: 250 GB Graphics Card Type: ATi Mobility Radeon HD3470 This graphics card is alot better then the nvidia one, however compared to desktop cards, it is only as good as an Nvidia 6600GT or ATI X800GT, in terms of performance. It does have DirectX 10.1 support, but trust me, you don't wanna run DX10 games on that :p However the EVE Online premium client ( with SM3.0 ) will run ok on this card. So if you are looking for a budget laptop to run EVE Online Premium, then the ATi Mobility Radeon HD3470 will do, just don't expect awesome performance. The 9200M GS will be too slow imho, altho technically it can run DX10 ...
ShR3DeR	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:42:00 - [1128] lol ok my system specs are.... amd 3200xp 32-bit 2gigs ddr400.. a agp bfg7800gs graphics card the rig is 6ish years old and i run 2 accounts same time back to back on new eve graphics with shaders off no problems and 70ish fps granted in fleets its lower but very do-able premium lite will be better than this so for those agp systems out there those 7800's r cheap these days laptops well this is why i dont buy them for gaming ...
Zarthax Mandatori Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:43:00 - [1129] Now, im one of those odd people, running EvE on a Laptop. System: OS: Win XP Pro (5.1, Build 2699) Processor: Intel Pentium M 1.70 GHz Mem: 2048 RAM Direct-X 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) GFX Card: ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 DAC-Type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Mem: 128 Mb Direct Draw: Active Direct 3D: Active ACC: Active Will this system be able to run the next patch as smooth as it runs the current standart client ?
Antaiir Gallente Eat My Shorts Inc. Freelancer Coalition	Posted - 2009.01.18 22:59:00 - [1130] CCP want to force us to buy new hardware, to spin up the economy? Great idea. I prefer some more bugfixes instead of just another new buggy client. 2 of my 3 accounts running on pc's that are not compatible to the premium client. 2 accounts that i am paying for. So i have to spend money, that i do not have, for new hardware, just to be able to use, and pay for, those 2 accounts in the future?!?
Sarah Mitchell	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:10:00 - [1131] <heavy sigh> Well, you guys are certainly very generous with the big, steaming bags of s.h.i.t you keep handing out to us. Thanks a lot.
Barasu Minmatar Buttered On The Wrong Side	Posted - 2009.01.18 23:59:00 - [1132] Edited by: Barasu on 19/01/2009 00:02:05 When I heard about this all I could say in corp chat was... "Barasu > MOTHER **ING GOD DAMN BULL SUCKING BASTARDS THOSE CCP *S ARE I WANT MY **ING CLASSIC GRAPHICS TO STAY" amd athlon 2000+ 512 megs of ram with a Geforce 4 ti... Good bye eve!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.19 00:00:00 - [1133] Originally by: AnyOldIron You make excellent points Kaguro, but i`ve been in this business 26 yrs, 12 of that in systems development. The hardware companies sponsor software development to push Hardware sales faster and faster, leading to the situation we have today. Where any hardware you buy (pc or mobile phone,etc) is virtually OBSOLETE the day you buy it, other industries may be able to withstand that sort of pressure (Fashion comes to mind). In this industry that Breakneck speed is not sustainable for long, most of you don`t need twice the cpu ,Ram etc for your needs , you need it to run your operating system`s latest insanity. I set up a vista machine the other day for a customer, just sitting at the desktop it used 70% of 1 core and 60% of RAM is that sane ?? considering that at it`s purest an operating system is only there so YOU can run YOUR software. By the way the customer told me to put it back to XP. I worked for 3 years in Game development industry (now changed to medical image 3d stuff). And was not only once that we faced pressures to raise the minimum requirements or support a feature that NEEDs a newest tech card. That is specially true out of the MMO industry. Why? because the normal games face heavy problems with piracy. But if they can strike a deal with a hardware manufacturer, that makes the hardware manufacture pay for large part of the game development, in exchange of making the game a "you are force to buy the new cards of the moment", they will do it. That because hardware cannot be pirated, so you just push your sales from software to hardware in fact and get a more guaranteed return for both parts. I really don't know how long this vertiginous push into new and newer techs can go, but i bet its will beat quite a few more years at least. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.19 00:02:00 - [1134] Originally by: Zarthax Mandatori Now, im one of those odd people, running EvE on a Laptop. System: OS: Win XP Pro (5.1, Build 2699) Processor: Intel Pentium M 1.70 GHz Mem: 2048 RAM Direct-X 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) GFX Card: ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 DAC-Type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Mem: 128 Mb Direct Draw: Active Direct 3D: Active ACC: Active Will this system be able to run the next patch as smooth as it runs the current standart client ? if your resolution is not extremely high, then yes. That I am speaking in a supposition that CCP wil do a good SM2 implementation on the new client. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ariel Acterus	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:13:00 - [1135] Originally by: Kagura Nikon I worked for 3 years in Game development industry (now changed to medical image 3d stuff). And was not only once that we faced pressures to raise the minimum requirements or support a feature that NEEDs a newest tech card. That is specially true out of the MMO industry. Why? because the normal games face heavy problems with piracy. But if they can strike a deal with a hardware manufacturer, that makes the hardware manufacture pay for large part of the game development, in exchange of making the game a "you are force to buy the new cards of the moment", they will do it. That because hardware cannot be pirated, so you just push your sales from software to hardware in fact and get a more guaranteed return for both parts. I really don't know how long this vertiginous push into new and newer techs can go, but i bet its will beat quite a few more years at least. Sorry, I don't think I quite understood what you said there :( Are you saying that piracy will push MMOs to doing hardware deals that will push up the specs? Because, as far as I know, an MMO sitting on your hard drive (legitimately bought or downloaded illegally) is useless without a valid account. If anything, MMOs are pretty much pirate proof, no? Can you clarify your point please? Cheers!
barvo The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.19 01:34:00 - [1136] I have a desktop and laptop which both (luckily for me) support premium with SM3. However, the laptop (with GeForce Go 7600) is not happy running two classic clients; if I've got both of them doing session changes (dock/undock hauler alt when mining, or hauler alt running in the background) one of the sessions ends up with the space background just being flat white. I've not tried premium on the laptop yet, this story will prompt me to do so later today. However, what you have to realise is that for every 100 subscribers who are no longer able to play due to the change in support of graphics cards, probably only the 10 most die hard will upgrade to keep playing. The rest will go 'bummer, can't play eve anymore :( ' but you cannot expect to be able to force them to upgrade. Therefore ... Originally by: Kaya Divine My subscription plan will last up to April. After March because of graphic card which will not support Premium Lite I will not be able to play. For those which subscriptions are even longer, and because of change of minimum requirements I hope that CCP will offer reimbursements. This is a necessity. And I'm saying this knowing full well that I will be OK come december.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.19 02:32:00 - [1137] as formerly stated ati is not the hardware you want to run your games on right at this time since drivers for ati/amd are a mess and do not work right we had a lot of discussions on whats better but as for my opinion use nvidia (less problems better hardware) also ever tried to rma something with ati it s pure insanity what you have to do to get your stuff back after you send it in as for the hardware for a laptop any amd dual core or intel will do just make sure you ask the sales person what shader model it supports
ElMo's Ghost Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2009.01.19 05:21:00 - [1138] I dual account with one account on my laptop and one on my desktop. My laptop won't support the new graphics, and the framerate really takes a dive when I run both accounts on my desktop. I won't be upgrading my computer to run a second account, so I will probably move my chars onto one account and cancel one subscription. I really hope these changes don't go through.
Halycon Gamma Caldari The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.19 05:23:00 - [1139] Originally by: zombu2 as formerly stated ati is not the hardware you want to run your games on right at this time since drivers for ati/amd are a mess and do not work right we had a lot of discussions on whats better but as for my opinion use nvidia (less problems better hardware) also ever tried to rma something with ati it s pure insanity what you have to do to get your stuff back after you send it in as for the hardware for a laptop any amd dual core or intel will do just make sure you ask the sales person what shader model it supports First off.. you don't ever RMA with ATI. You do it with the card manufacturer.. ATI makes the chips. Other companies buy the chips from ATI, put them on a card, and sell them to us. Its not AMD/ATI's fault if the manufacturer you bought the card off of has a crappy RMA system. Second.. no. ATI has done a wonderful job of redoing their catalyst drivers lately. A year ago, two years ago, what you are saying was very true. After a brand spanking new product is released.. what you say is true.. but after a month or so goes by. Things work pretty dang well. And you really can't say Nvidia is any better, they have driver problems on release as well for a month or so after. I'd actually say that ATI and Nvidia are pretty close to parity in drivers support right now. Unless you are talking linux support.. and then thats just an odd argument all the way around considering the two companies vastly different takes on how to support the linux community... Nvidia wins some there, ATI wins some there.. and neither of them have enough support in that market to really call it "good" one way or the other. Lastly... look at any graphics card comparisons lately? ATI is currently at the top of their game. They are the clear winner in price/performance right now. And until the GTX295 came out last week.. they had the best card in town. And personally, its about time. I'm not an ATI fanboy, but Nvidia had been the clear winner for too long. Cards were hitting ludicrous prices. Now, with some sort of competition in the market, prices are much more reasonable. And to me, thats a win for everyone. We can only hope that somehow AMD's CPU division can do something similar sometime soon, because prices for Intel's chips have been insane ever since the C2D came out(for the higher end parts). I'd like to see prices on those skus fall as well because someone else actually has something that can put out similar, or better, numbers; instead of Intel just charging whatever they want because they're the only game in town.
Borun Tal Minmatar Virtual Rock Industries	Posted - 2009.01.19 06:11:00 - [1140] Any chance the problems introduced with QR will be fixed in the new release? And no, I haven't gone through 38 pages of posts...

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