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CCP Shadow C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 20:43:00 - [1] EVE Online: Tyrannis deployment has completed, and weÆre interested in what you have to tell us about the expansion. This is the place to offer your general feedback on Tyrannis, not to report issues or bugs. A separate thread for issues can be found here.

Useful Alt	Posted - 2010.05.26 20:49:00 - [2] nice, going to download the patch now

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:03:00 - [3] /me sad panda for forcing us to opt-out of the gate shared access!! Besides that, thank you and keep up the great work! /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

Jenni Concarnadine	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:04:00 - [4] Patch downloaded fine (so far) & much faster than previous ones. Visuals look nice and haver bought new shill boox. Also thanx for disabling the Jukebox Auto-Interrupt feature. Maybe now I will use it (and learn how to set playlists) * * * * * Hamsters don't overload very well
Lock'n pop	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:11:00 - [5] I know that the rainbows were out of place, but the new white sun looks really bad. The sun is one of the cooler things in the solar system, why not make it look more like a big ball of fire when you are up close (think BlackProphecy screenshots, or star trek i guess?). Right now it does just look bad up close guys.
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:11:00 - [6] Ok here's my feedback ceeceepee: deepsafes still work. bye.
Zabby Gabby	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:13:00 - [7] Downloading now... can't wait, thanks CCP!
kwix	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:14:00 - [8] So I know there is supposed to be the new spacebook/evegate thing... So here's an issue for you CCP... Why is it that I can't find a link or where to go to access Eve Gate. I've read the dev blog, looked on the home page, and been clicking around for 5 minutes and I can't even figure out where the darn portal to eve gate is? Should you be adding it to the navigation or link on the main entry page?
matrix666 Gallente X.S. Industries Veneratio Venator Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:14:00 - [9] Pos's are shooting blues :(
eliminator2 Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:16:00 - [10] i forgot about the change of sun so i warped to it exicted about the new graphic but when i got there i was disapointed to find a ball of yellow with a bit of orange that looks like a 2 year old draw and went out of lines which ended up been flares, well tbh thats not fair to the 2 year olds, i mean come on all these sexy new planets and then we end up with a sun that looks like its 2D and basicly doesnt look like a real sun at all ----------------------------------------------- I met Eliminator1..... I chewed it up, and spat it out. Now, he is my minion. I kill miners and mission runners people say, I call them target pra
Arthur Frayn Edurus Erectus	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:17:00 - [11] Oh god PI skills are charisma based... AND I USED MY NEURAL REMAP ALREADY! -- Eventus stultorum magister.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:20:00 - [12] no seeded command centres or bpos to make them? so pi is not til next patch then? SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:21:00 - [13] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 26/05/2010 21:21:24 Originally by: David Grogan no seeded command centres or bpos to make them? so pi is not til next patch then? Since you don't bother to read the dev blogs, I'll supply the information you seem to be missing. CC's are not being seeded until June 8th. --Vel Originally by: Jiseinoku Mining is the path to enlightement.
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:24:00 - [14] Originally by: kwix So I know there is supposed to be the new spacebook/evegate thing... So here's an issue for you CCP... Why is it that I can't find a link or where to go to access Eve Gate. I've read the dev blog, looked on the home page, and been clicking around for 5 minutes and I can't even figure out where the darn portal to eve gate is? Should you be adding it to the navigation or link on the main entry page? I typed in evegate.com in my browser...it redirected me to: https://gate.eveonline.com/ It ain't rocketscience ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
ShadowMaiden Amarr Divine Radiance	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:29:00 - [15] Please reinstate ability to create folders in the contacts list. See no reason why this was removed.
Lock'n pop	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:30:00 - [16] the sun is still showing through my hurricane despite having checked the appropriate box. it also shows through the edge of some planets.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:31:00 - [17] Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 26/05/2010 21:21:24 Originally by: David Grogan no seeded command centres or bpos to make them? so pi is not til next patch then? Since you don't bother to read the dev blogs, I'll supply the information you seem to be missing. CC's are not being seeded until June 8th. ok so june 8th is the real tyrannis patch then... today's patch offers us very little in terms of new stuff... eve gate is basically facebook and i get enough junk mail from that. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Hosanna Minmatar Karjala Inc. The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:34:00 - [18] Shame you had to chance planets I really liked cool waterworld planet near my home base, but now there is just some dull gas giant.
Lim Hiaret	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:34:00 - [19] Originally by: David Grogan Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 26/05/2010 21:21:24 Originally by: David Grogan no seeded command centres or bpos to make them? so pi is not til next patch then? Since you don't bother to read the dev blogs, I'll supply the information you seem to be missing. CC's are not being seeded until June 8th. ok so june 8th is the real tyrannis patch then... today's patch offers us very little in terms of new stuff... eve gate is basically facebook and i get enough junk mail from that. You could start training skills and scanning for good planets...
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:37:00 - [20] dang i have 9 accounts and 13 characters.... setting them all to no pilots is gonna take some time SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Isaph Merk Werk Syndicate	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:37:00 - [21] Remote Sensing states that level 1 allows scan within 1 light year of your position.... Since a light year is 60000+ AU, what's the point of training this skill more than once? Shouldn't this be working on a AU basis since you can't scan planets outside of your solar system here anyway? Quote: null Fail quote.
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:38:00 - [22] Originally by: kwix Why is it that I can't find a link or where to go to access Eve Gate. I've read the dev blog, looked on the home page, and been clicking around for 5 minutes and I can't even figure out where the darn portal to eve gate is? The gate is down. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
King Aires Coffee Sipper's Club	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:38:00 - [23] All the sanctionable actions in the corp menu are now no longer applyable... aka there is no way to declare war. Also poses everywhere are shooting at anyone who flies within their range regardless of settings. The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
Musical Fist Gallente The Unknown Bar and Pub Elysium Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Oh god PI skills are charisma based... AND I USED MY NEURAL REMAP ALREADY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I didnt, just saying ;) its 5 skills anyway
Tina Valieri	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Chribba /me sad panda for forcing us to opt-out of the gate shared access!! Besides that, thank you and keep up the great work! /c Signed!
Vaal ven'Deelin	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:44:00 - [26] I'd like to know if anyone has any idea when Stem would be loading this patch to their servers. i only ask this because if it isnt going to be for a while, i'm stuck downloading the patch for 11 hours. (Im in Australia, and have a cap for my net)
Astomichi	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:49:00 - [27] The new right-justified Distance column is terrible, please put it back the way it should be, or at least make it a selectable option.
King Aires Coffee Sipper's Club	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Astomichi The new right-justified Distance column is terrible, please put it back the way it should be, or at least make it a selectable option. Seconded The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:54:00 - [29] Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 21:54:18 Originally by: Vaal ven'Deelin I'd like to know if anyone has any idea when Stem would be loading this patch to their servers. i only ask this because if it isnt going to be for a while, i'm stuck downloading the patch for 11 hours. (Im in Australia, and have a cap for my net) haha im in ireland on a 30mb/s cable net with no official cap limit i dl'd x3 terran conflict (7.5gb) earlier in about 1 hr. but seriously i do remember the days of crappy net try using a torrent (chribba has one up) it might be quicker and resumeable if your net drops SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
chuck starlighter	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:56:00 - [30] I always ran my screen with the wide screen option as it made it easyer to see things with the black background, the option no longer appears to be there why???? also the new scorpion modle has the engine flame comming out of the side of the housings at certain angles looks a bit stupid to say you did the model from scratch.
Baroness D	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:58:00 - [31] Insurance is now a big screw job to players. Especially new ones who have very little isk. There was a reason people suicided there ships when the insurance was about to expire Example: Basic Insurance on a Retriever is about 1.3mil but for the nice low price of 1mil isk you can get an 2mil insurance. Which still expires after 12 weeks. Basically if your ship lasts more then 12 weeks insurance is useless. Buy insurance more then twice and your getting shafted. Only people who are gonna still benefit are PVP's and gankers. Everyone else is screwed. Really good system to encourage people to play EVE CCP. Yesh.
Vaal ven'Deelin	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:58:00 - [32] Originally by: David Grogan Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 21:54:18 Originally by: Vaal ven'Deelin I'd like to know if anyone has any idea when Stem would be loading this patch to their servers. i only ask this because if it isnt going to be for a while, i'm stuck downloading the patch for 11 hours. (Im in Australia, and have a cap for my net) haha im in ireland on a 30mb/s cable net with no official cap limit i dl'd x3 terran conflict (7.5gb) earlier in about 1 hr. but seriously i do remember the days of crappy net try using a torrent (chribba has one up) it might be quicker and resumeable if your net drops Again, that wont help. i've been capped and dropped to 10 kbps MAX yes. Kbps. :(
Lorna Sicling	Posted - 2010.05.26 21:58:00 - [33] Thanks for all your hard work
Lighthill	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:00:00 - [34] "Incompatible client version" message or however it was put, is how a computer communicates to an engineer, but not to a user, especially when no newer clients were available. How hard would it have been to inform the user with a "personalized" message like "Hey, there's this small Tyrannis patch so game aint working for a while, sorry". :P There mustve been fans going crazy over the internet for a patch (not myself admitting). This is a pretty big thing when you put it in the scale of the things that just took place. Other than that, keep on rockin' CCP! "It's the puppets dream, being human." - Gibarian
Nothingbetter2do	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:03:00 - [35] is it me or does this so called expansion feel lacking in anything new? a few skill books and a new scorpion model and an untested half done social networking site that i disabled for security reasons.
Spaminator	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:08:00 - [36] The expansion is very exciting for us industrial/production/expansionist folks. I am inspired to continue to play the game. -Spam
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:09:00 - [37] Disconnects? I've got a couple of pals who can't stay online for more than a few seconds/minutes before they get disconnected (abruptly, no lag, just totalhelldeath). Any clue why this is happening? It's working fine for others (me). - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Spaminator The expansion is very exciting for us industrial/production/expansionist folks. I am inspired to continue to play the game. -Spam problem is the planets are still unavailable til NEXT patch june 8th so today's patch offers feck all SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
CaptainQuick	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:12:00 - [39] Edited by: CaptainQuick on 26/05/2010 22:13:29 Please bring back the old people and places or allow us to make folder for wt's like we had before and even if i try to take a person off and add them im getting cant do this cant do that it's total bullcrap that is one update you could have left out that part was never broke with the exception of the bugg of not showing is people logged off but hey we all got used to that but as it stands right now the peopel and places suck royally....not being able to make a folder and who ya want to that folder is crap!!!!! and i promise ya i wont be the only one complaigning about it!!!! Alll yall did was help the carebears out and made it rough on pvp'ers trying to keep up with wut targets are and arent online!!!!
Lim Hiaret	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:14:00 - [40] Originally by: CaptainQuick Edited by: CaptainQuick on 26/05/2010 22:13:29 Please bring back the old people and places or allow us to make folder for wt's like we had before and even if i try to take a person off and add them im getting cant do this cant do that it's total bullcrap that is one update you could have left out that part was never broke with the exception of the bugg of not showing is people logged off but hey we all got used to that but as it stands right now the peopel and places suck royally....not being able to make a folder and who ya want to that folder is crap!!!!! and i promise ya i wont be the only one complaigning about it!!!! Alll yall did was help the carebears out and made it rough on pvp'ers trying to keep up with wut targets are and arent online!!!! Watch list?
Bucky O'Hair Minmatar Valklear Guard	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:15:00 - [41] My Eve gate portrait is wrong. Bucky O'Hair "If it flys it dies!"
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:18:00 - [42] looks like tyrannisaurus rex was eaten by a horde bugasauruses SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
CaptainQuick	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Lim Hiaret Originally by: CaptainQuick Edited by: CaptainQuick on 26/05/2010 22:13:29 Please bring back the old people and places or allow us to make folder for wt's like we had before and even if i try to take a person off and add them im getting cant do this cant do that it's total bullcrap that is one update you could have left out that part was never broke with the exception of the bugg of not showing is people logged off but hey we all got used to that but as it stands right now the peopel and places suck royally....not being able to make a folder and who ya want to that folder is crap!!!!! and i promise ya i wont be the only one complaigning about it!!!! Alll yall did was help the carebears out and made it rough on pvp'ers trying to keep up with wut targets are and arent online!!!! Watch list? Go ahead and remove someone under edit mode for watch list and say goodbye to ya friend you once seen online!!!!!! they get moved to Offline or not visable!!!!
Tophee	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:25:00 - [44] Your new suns look crap. Please give us an option to enable the old ones.
thinkerbay	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:32:00 - [45] I am relatively new to Eve. Have even gotten a couple of others to join in the short time I have been on. I have read your documents prior to this release and expected some help to begin to understand how to use your new toys. Sadly, the great help I had to start this game with, is not available for this new feature set. I was a player of Megawars and have been looking for a game like this for ages. Just dissapointing that you did not stay consistent and help those out with lesser expierience. Suggestions: 1. I know your significantly player driven for documentation, but you guys can probably afford a tech writer or two. Hire someone to write some instructions. 2. Write a simple tutorial in the style you have for those first starting the game to introduce these new features.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:33:00 - [46] Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 22:34:11 omg insurence is even more useless now........... even t1 ships aren't worth insuring anymore crappiest expansion ever SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Botia Macracantha Minmatar freelancers inc	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Lorna Sicling Thanks for all your hard work gotta ask .. U MAD ?
Omir Kajil Gallente The POD Collective	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:36:00 - [48] Logged on to eve gate via iPhone. My profile picture is simply a generic silhouette with a generic background. If there's an option to change it to your character's picture, I couldn't find it. Oh, and apparently (according to eve gate) I've been a member of my alliance longer than I've been a member of my corp. 3 months and 17 days vs only 3 months in the corp. Not a big deal but meh. But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig.
Amber Accelerando	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:36:00 - [49] can't patch, tried the manual instal, can't. I always feel sorry for the poor saps who have problems & now it's me! I am running EvE thu Steam these days, is that a known issue with the patch?
ThaoLai	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:37:00 - [50] WTG CCP! Smoothest update yet! Quick DL and straight on. Everything seems to be running a lot smoother and I'm looking forward to PI. Good work boys and girls! +1 internets!
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:41:00 - [51] Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 22:41:36 Originally by: ThaoLai WTG CCP! Smoothest update yet! Quick DL and straight on. Everything seems to be running a lot smoother and I'm looking forward to PI. Good work boys and girls! +1 internets! PI isnt actually available yet ... need another patch before its available Originally by: Amber Accelerando can't patch, tried the manual instal, can't. I always feel sorry for the poor saps who have problems & now it's me! I am running EvE thu Steam these days, is that a known issue with the patch? i originally started off an alt on steam.... due to always being fail patches i ditched the steam version and just started using the standalone client with no patching issues ... i suggest u do the same SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Edohatrem Inur J.I.T. Enterprises	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:44:00 - [52] Edited by: Edohatrem Inur on 26/05/2010 22:45:34 Edited by: Edohatrem Inur on 26/05/2010 22:45:00 why have corp logo's been changed en-masse? is it intentional or just a patch-day bug (given its actually been replaced by a newer looking texture, rather than just another random selection though, i doubt it) admittedly i only had a quick thumb through so may have missed it, but i couldnÆt see any reference to replacement logo's in the patch notes or dev blogs while this corps little more than a shell these days, the logo has been pretty well the same since 2003, and i'd like to hang onto it. please bring the old ones back! even if only as a legacy feature lost if you ever change it by choice
Victor Valka Caldari Endoxa Corporation	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:45:00 - [53] Liking the cursor enhancements. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Celebris Nexterra	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:50:00 - [54] Originally by: King Aires Originally by: Astomichi The new right-justified Distance column is terrible, please put it back the way it should be, or at least make it a selectable option. Seconded Thirded!!! Took me a second to figure out why it looked so weird.... soon as i figured it out i looked for a way to realign it, but nothing!!! Simple fix i think, and i doubt i'll be the last person to mention it. Also, i was reading the patch notes before the expansion, and i was apalled at the new contacts layout before i even saw it. now that i have, i am even more apalled. I don't want EVERY SINGLE person that i set standings to to be in my contacts!! The list is WAY too long now!! I want to be able to know which people are pirates at a glance when i browse lowsec, not have them in my contacts list. I don't want to talk to them. Others mentioned the new stars. Liked the old ones better, although i don't see a HUGE difference. I'm rarely ever next to one anyway, so it's not all that important. Aside from those negative points, i cannot WAIT for the updates to the textures of all the other ships, because the scorpion is absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! I mean, my jaw was LITERALLY open the whole time i was looking at it!! If EVERY ship is going to look like that... i don't know. i'll crap my pants or something. And it's about time the domi looked like a normal freakin ship!! Seriously, there should have been a dominion patch for a lot of the crap i read in the patch notes for tyrannis... But anyway, i do appreciate the new and larger engines on some of the gallente ships, namely the iteron. They were slightly pathetic before hehe Furthermore, I do apologize for the trolls on here complaining that the "real" patch isn't until june 8th when command centers are seeded, as they are obviously ungrateful to all of your had work and the fact that we get it for FREE (mostly). I, on the other hand, am quite glad that the seeding is delayed, so i don't feel pressured to put a substandard command center on a planet, as i watched the tutorial on PI and read just about everything there is to read, but do not know if they are upgradable or not. I should be more than halfway done training CCupgrades 5 by the time they're seeded ntm back from my trip!! Overall, thanks for an every-progressing game, and a massive step towards the Dust 514 integration that i am SOOOOOOOOOO looking forward to!!
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 22:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Celebris Nexterra wall of text excluded spot the ccp alt SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Botia Macracantha Minmatar freelancers inc	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:00:00 - [56] Originally by: David Grogan Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 22:34:11 omg insurence is even more useless now........... even t1 ships aren't worth insuring anymore crappiest expansion ever Are you sure you want to advise people not to insure their ships ? I only ever wanted to see "no insurance payout" for suicide ganks, just to raise the bar a little. End of the day there will always be idiots who move expensive **** in the wrong ship with no escort - please don't EVER support fixing that - suiciders have a duty to kill these people. I do agree this is not the most revolutionary patch ever (except in its capacity to make the game more unplayable when the new stuff hits) CCP will know when they have screwed the game up. Its called the law of diminishing returns. I just pray they stop banging on about how they love the pew pew and how anything else is failsauce. Last few patches have made big scale PVP anywhere other than Jita worse - even when you take the time to alert IT to the fact they are about to die horrib ... err I mean request node reinforcement. But, in the spirit of keeping an open mind, I won't say anything else until (if) I can try the expansion.
SymFOR0	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:01:00 - [57] Thanks for the hard work. The market, fleet finder and almost all other queries seem to work a lot faster. Evegate is awesome and i hope new featureas come soon. Great job !
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:06:00 - [58] Originally by: Botia Macracantha Originally by: David Grogan Edited by: David Grogan on 26/05/2010 22:34:11 omg insurence is even more useless now........... even t1 ships aren't worth insuring anymore crappiest expansion ever Are you sure you want to advise people not to insure their ships ? I only ever wanted to see "no insurance payout" for suicide ganks, just to raise the bar a little. End of the day there will always be idiots who move expensive **** in the wrong ship with no escort - please don't EVER support fixing that - suiciders have a duty to kill these people. I do agree this is not the most revolutionary patch ever (except in its capacity to make the game more unplayable when the new stuff hits) CCP will know when they have screwed the game up. Its called the law of diminishing returns. I just pray they stop banging on about how they love the pew pew and how anything else is failsauce. Last few patches have made big scale PVP anywhere other than Jita worse - even when you take the time to alert IT to the fact they are about to die horrib ... err I mean request node reinforcement. But, in the spirit of keeping an open mind, I won't say anything else until (if) I can try the expansion. its costs 15 mil to insure a tier 1 bs that pays out less than it costs to buy a bc after you deduct the insurence cost. t2 insurence is even worse than it used to be 617k to insure a nemesis worth 25 mil and a payout of just 2 mil. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Grohalmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:14:00 - [59] Facebook, Google Calendar, and a version of SimCity that appears to be playable on an Atari (but still not playable on TQ) . . . Sorry guys, but underwhelming is an overstatement when describing Tyrannis. One piece of constructive criticism, the Sun looks cool in respect to the flame graphics, but the opaque or clear border that surrounds it, and doesn't move, makes it look like a cut out. Remove that and I think the sun could look cool. Scorpion looks awesome. Besides that, not much new.
Tarhim Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:27:00 - [60] Originally by: David Grogan PI isnt actually available yet ... need another patch before its available This is not true, yet you keep repeating it. Seeding modules on market will not require a patch. You havs skills and planet mode available right now, too.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:32:00 - [61] Originally by: Tarhim Originally by: David Grogan PI isnt actually available yet ... need another patch before its available This is not true, yet you keep repeating it. Seeding modules on market will not require a patch. You havs skills and planet mode available right now, too. well all one can do right now is look....... not all that interacting in my book SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:33:00 - [62] EVE mail is working great ingame now, no long loading delay any more. The new corp logo's don't include any solid hearts as I used to have for EACS Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
citizen201002021004	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:38:00 - [63] WTH is with the default eve gate privacy settings being set to show info without explicitly asking me if I would mind if you made my private information public. There are laws in the country I live that protect people, which I am one of, from companies, that you are one of, from disclosing information publicly. To the best of my knowledge the punishment can include lenghty prision terms and extensive fines. I wonder what country the eve servers are in and what laws CCP has to abide by. I know where I am and I know what laws I have to abide by when I am playing this game.
Tryptic Photon Gallente Mad Bombers	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:38:00 - [64] CCP ART MEETING Sun Artist: "Hey guys, you know how like when you go to the sun, and you get this awesome bath of fiery hot plasma... like you've landed super close to it and it's all fiery n moving n bubbling n stuff?" Art Director: "Yep" Sun Artist: "Well, what if we got rid of all that fiery stuff, and made it a plain white disk with a little bit of edge blur. And I'm talkin' _plain_ here... wouldn't that be great?" Art Director: "I cannot believe we didn't think of this before. Go forth and seed the universe with this tight and funky plan!"
Hatchet Deadeyes	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:41:00 - [65] so all the nice new toys.. so heres whats getting me, after all this time no new ships players can buy. No new frigates/cruisers/BC's/BS etc. Last new one was the Tengu before that the Rokh if i remember right a few nice new ships in each class would have been rather nice. Or at least the option to visually customise your bird ie paint schemes/camo blar blar. Would have been nice to see Ravens with missile launchers shown like turrets instead of apprently firing from teh middle of your hull etc etc, and im sure theres plenty of peeps out there that can fill in the etc etc bit.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:49:00 - [66] Originally by: citizen201002021004 There are laws in the country I live that protect people, which I am one of, from companies, that you are one of, from disclosing information publicly. To the best of my knowledge the punishment can include lenghty prision terms and extensive fines. I wonder what country the eve servers are in and what laws CCP has to abide by. I know where I am and I know what laws I have to abide by when I am playing this game. CCP are disclosing information about a character they own. Those laws might protect you, the real life person playing the game, from having information about you, the real life person playing the game, being disclosed, but they're not barring CCP from operating their own game as they wish. Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.05.26 23:57:00 - [67] Could we have a toggle to decide how we want our overview distance numbers to be aligned? I want them back to align left. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.eohpoker.com ò Buy a GTC
Shane Tyler	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:01:00 - [68] can we have the login screen changed to "Eve Online - Pos Rebellion" :)
News Group	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:06:00 - [69] I love the align right distance colum. Way to go, numbers look like their supposed to look.
oodin Snuff Box	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Hosanna Shame you had to chance planets I really liked cool waterworld planet near my home base, but now there is just some dull gas giant. the global warming did it
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:07:00 - [71] Originally by: David Grogan PI isnt actually available yet But now is the time to make your Evil Planetary Overlord speech, like movie villains, detailing all your plans and the gruesome ways in which everyone will suffer once you start "interacting" with planets. They delayed the skill seeding to give us time to roleplay, you see.
Dirty J0e	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:10:00 - [72] Edited by: Dirty J0e on 27/05/2010 00:11:03 In one move, CCP breaks every macro miner in game. Taking out widescreen = win! I'm so thrilled, no more @$%^ing ****ers warping to zero on the rock I'm mining, and not getting banned because the GM looked when they were docked.
Wohlf	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:11:00 - [73] Well, just a small thing. Myself and a few others noticed when jumping between systems, there seems to be a sound like roar of static right before the screen switches to a new system. Otherwise. Liking the new stuff CCP.
De'Vadder Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:16:00 - [74] Originally by: citizen201002021004 WTH is with the default eve gate privacy settings being set to show info without explicitly asking me if I would mind if you made my private information public. There are laws in the country I live that protect people, which I am one of, from companies, that you are one of, from disclosing information publicly. To the best of my knowledge the punishment can include lenghty prision terms and extensive fines. I wonder what country the eve servers are in and what laws CCP has to abide by. I know where I am and I know what laws I have to abide by when I am playing this game. Oh wow, you made me literally lol. Are you srsly threatening CCP with laws because they made public which characters in their virtual game your character in their virtual game has in his in-game virtual contact list? Very good. And un an unrelated note, i like Tyrannis, i dont need that much fancy new stuff every expansion and an overhaul to the contacts system was overdue. And i really like to organise my contacts out of game, and i finally can add alliances, that is so awesome. I had so many corps in my list to colour the nbsi alliances around my home red in my local, its not even funny. I want groups in Evegate! And why is there still nothing that sets content apart from signature? Is that intentional or technically imposible?
Biggus McChinnus Minmatar The Wild Bunch	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:17:00 - [75] You can select a setting to send broadcasts to your whole alliance, but on the 'Home' page, there is no 'Alliance Chatter' link.
Your Client	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:17:00 - [76] Please put "sunday" to the furthest left of my calendar or atleast give me the option to swithc between calendar types. I cannot get used to sunday being on the furthest right!
bigbigpure1	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:17:00 - [77] i want to planet mine now not in 2 weeks...................................seed them now,now i say!
Icychorria Amarr WaHnSiNn IsT ReLaTiV Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:26:00 - [78] A big thank you to CCP for fixing the high CPU utilization problem..!! The problem was especially evident when using more than one account, and having at least one of the pilots initiate warp when flying together. I've tested the scenario and happy to report that CPU utilization never reaches that problematic max load as experienced with Dominion. Currently running multiple accounts on a multicore CPU, with 8GB ram, Win7x64bit. Incidentally, the jukebox seems to be playing through tracks normally again. Thanks again, CCP. Well done.
Odyessus	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:26:00 - [79] expansion? what expansion? this is a collection of failed features, that your customers didnt want. the biggest of which, u couldnt even get out of the door on time. so disappointing. u should thank your lucky stars, u dont have a real competitor... but anyway, on to the list: 1. Eve-gate = useless. who wants this facebook type thing? have u conducted any customer requirements capture exercise? did we say we wanted this crap instead of fixing lag / bugs? 2. Calendar - well developed feature, but why? because this function has come so late, many of us already have solutions for organising. fleet finder was an awesome feature as we had nothing like it before, but this feature is useless, other than to advertise your own 'events' so they dont fail so hard. 3. Contacts - no way of creating folders, which is fail. each contact (of which i have hundreds), now need to be individually managed... great. hours of 'gameplay' 4. Right aligned distance - why? i mean seriously... what the hell was the need to change this? who wanted this? CCP or your customers? 5. 2600 corp contact limit - only good 'feature' so far, and we got this only after massive protest... 6. the new 'sun' - i wonder what kind of feedback you'd have got from sisi if u let this one out early? do you consider this a graphical improvement? i dont - its a irregular semi-transparent sphere (u can see the texture pinch at the top & bottom), with some kind of streaky rings of light surrounding it. what happened to the old one? did u need to change this to reduce lag or something else critical to gameplay? 7. deep safes - a complex issue, which i think people would have been happy with, had you fixed fleet lag 8. insurance changes - ill be looking closely at the financial report, to see how its affected the markets/players behaviour 9. scorp model = win. love it. you have now set the bar pretty damn high, for any other model changes u plan to make... good luck. i look forward to see how you take the feedback from everyone & the csm, on this expansion, and what you deliver on the next. ody
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:32:00 - [80] No complaints here o.o Prefer the new sun, like EVE Gate, realise this is a groundwork expansion and not supposed to bring in anything earth shattering (unlike a few whiners >.>), got a nice laugh out of all the wailing over a passing FoF glitch in the starbases.. Nice CCP, keep it up eh? And roll on Incarna. I'm betting one of the next three dev' cycles will be when we getting it but eh, who knows. Night, you 'orrible lot, whiners, players, and all.
TTZany	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:37:00 - [81] The sun looks like an aliased piece of glowing **** in space. I haven't seen a sun look like this since Sesame Street in the 80's. Please do not evade the profanity filter. Zymurgist
Abdiel Kavash Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:48:00 - [82] For EVE's sake, make the PI controls / window moveable! I have my chat channels stacked on the left side of the screen, and I can't do any PI related stuff at all without rearranging my whole UI!
Xhar Khalagor Alien Pancake Bonanza	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:52:00 - [83] Edited by: Xhar Khalagor on 27/05/2010 00:52:50 [repost from http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324988] Ok, to start of the new contact system is a joke. NO WAI 2 different negative standing filters is enough. Where are the custom filters? * How the F am I supposed to manage the online status of characters of 4 different corps we are at war with? * Where's the option to manage large quantities of contacts? (eg delete some-few-many) * Where the F are my old character folders? * Seriously did you even look at the old people&places before making anything? Come on WTF! Now, divert your attention here >
Ephemeral Waves Silver Snake Enterprise	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:53:00 - [84] I see that you didn't bother setting the privacy setting to "no pilot". People need to be made aware that their information is now open to view.
YoNightmare	Posted - 2010.05.27 00:55:00 - [85] Originally by: bigbigpure1 i want to planet mine now not in 2 weeks...................................seed them now,now i say! Wait REALLY good news: What's going to probably happen is, You'll get those seeds for the blueprints, ONLY having to wait till someone researches it out to make it a T2 print. Then they'll start making those command modules you need at VERY UNREASONABLE prices. (something like the T3 ships and the months wait to find out its all a piece of poop to begin with) But look at the bright side, you'll have all that time to train the 2 skills to max. And I saved a couple of bill back just for this.
Mace Wingate	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:01:00 - [86] So just trying to understand this, you had all this time to work on the expansion yet so many little things got missed and left undone. Who writes up the task lists for the scrum teams anyway? Someone on the art team missed the Scorpion BPO art, it still uses the old Scorpion model.
CaptainQuick	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:03:00 - [87] DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM IT please fix the contact crap cant add noone still.......my dad alwasy told me don't fix stuff that aint broke....the old way worked perfect....no please remove this or that and try again bullcrap!!!! Since this new patch i have almost removed over half my contacts and still can't a dammm new one to it!!! This needs to be fixed or i'll close all 8 of my accounts till it is....it's nice to know if ya might have someone online in the right place where ya can see them if need be so you can prepare yaself if ya flying about!!!
Y'lon	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:12:00 - [88] So far so good, didn't encounter any of the issues they claim to have in the issues thread. The POS didn't attack me, standings "converted" to the new system nicely. All's ok. A little more control over the grouping of contacts would be nice, at least a seperation for corps and players...folders would be the best. I do agree that the suns are disappointing :/ they're...bland to say the least. BTw It makes me laugh a bit that the ppl who ***** about the expansion the most at the moment probably never visited Sisi to actually try it and post their concerns there...
VengeanceMK2	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:12:00 - [89] patches went very smoothly, and was looking at the market for the command center modules, but cannot find it, oh, but wait, it's still ongoing..duh. Bought newly skills and starting to train them up now. Hoping everything would go as it is planned..
Hatsumi Kobayashi D00M. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:17:00 - [90] Most underwhelming "expansion" ever. Half of it could have been put together in a Dominion patch, the rest is either useless or fails to deliver. The only good stuff that stands out is the calendar, which as others have said, many have found a way around for a long time now, and the new Scorpion model. Wow! One new model! How many ship models are there in the game? Yeah.. Please at least make sure the winter expansion has a little more meat on its bones, because Tyrannis is even short on marrow. _____
Drekna Masto	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:28:00 - [91] Originally by: Your Client Please put "sunday" to the furthest left of my calendar or atleast give me the option to swithc between calendar types. I cannot get used to sunday being on the furthest right! I fully agree with this request. It's very odd looking at the calendar and having everything be one day offset (because here, Sunday is always on the left side). On a plus, love the new cursors.
Harrigan VonStudly Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:37:00 - [92] First off. Thank you CCP for all you guys do to make this a great game. But the new address book? Come on man... It's not only been accidently'd but it's a coat hanger abortion. No folders? I can't tell who is a war target and who is in my "ass hats to be hunted some other day" lists. It's weak at best. Hell, the old one was better. At least put the person's corp/alliance name under their name when it's in the address book list.
Garst Tyrell No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:41:00 - [93] Edited by: Garst Tyrell on 27/05/2010 01:44:42 the new corp graphics updated the symbols without updating the horrible colors and gradients which were already iffy to begin with, now most corp logos look weird, with obvious pixels showing, and just dont mesh like they used to. Please please please update the color palate, gradients, alpha layers whatever it takes to let us design decent corp logos again please also huge +1 for breaking up the NC and getting lots of bears killed in their caps and ratting ships on their POS, couldnt have done it better myself. I guess tranquility post tryannis couldnt handle a naplist that large :)
Wrayeth Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:43:00 - [94] Well, I was prepared to hate the new scorpion/widow models since I loved the old one, but the swept-back, sleek look and understated protrubances that only look a little bit like claws instead of a lot like them actually make the new model pretty damned cool. Good one, CCP. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Lady Clandestine	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:45:00 - [95] Originally by: King Aires Originally by: Astomichi The new right-justified Distance column is terrible, please put it back the way it should be, or at least make it a selectable option. Seconded Oh my god put this back how it was. It is horrible now.
Slider Bayne	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:47:00 - [96] LOL I had a friend who macro mined and he's all bummed because they took away a setting and now his macro don't work no more.
Angel 10	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:47:00 - [97] So far so great already have both skills in plant managment at lvl 2 and remote senses at 3. Only bumed that we have to wait for the command centers. CCP hurry up please want to colonize!
Misanth Reaper Industries	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:52:00 - [98] + * Very quick download and smooth install of new patch * Alot less CPU or GFX use (can't tell which), when multiboxing (3-5 clients) it's a significant less stress on my PC, much <3 * Very smooth server when it went up, no lags on market, travel, etc - * New address book is pure crap, why's there no folders?, and it really should separate buddy list from standigns.. * The right-aligned distance (in overview), looks totally wrong * Calender should have it's own simple intuitive role (or be completely open) to corp, having it director only kills most of its potential - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Vexidious	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:53:00 - [99] Edited by: Vexidious on 27/05/2010 01:53:37 1) Default all Spacebook pilot data to public = FAIL. 2) Worse contacts interface with 300 contact limit with requirement for someone to be in said contacts list to adjust standings = ULTRA-MEGA FAIL. 3) An expansion that is (supposedly) all about PI with no ability to actually do any planet interacting for weeks = FAIL. 4) Any expansion with no new ships = FAIL. Over all, in order to be less impressed, I think that I would have to be dead.
Fyrr Deerdan Caldari Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:53:00 - [100] Calendar : Would like the option to have the calendar go Sunday -> Saturday instead. That's the way every calendar is drawn around here When sending an invite with a time that has already passed, error message should kick you back to the actual event, not close the event and lose everything entered so far. Should have visual clue ON the calendar to say when an event has been accepted or is still pending acceptance Should be able to "comment" on calendar event posted. Thanks again for all the hard work. Keep it up! =) ------------------- Fyrr Deerdan - Capsuleer of all trades
Siiee Recycled Heroes	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:54:00 - [101] Thanks for finally turning me into a bitter vet CCP, I feel complete as an Eve player now So far most of the feedback I have are all things that you're already ignoring. Overview text alignment: prioritizing the least significant digit for display, good going, glad it looks "prettier" for you now - upset auto-strip on loading fittings: costs me an additional dozen or more clicks a half dozen or more times a day all because someone didn't want to click one button before loading a fit (or give us an option) - Raging Eve-Gate Opt-out: Terrible precedent for user privacy, and never before have I seen CCP so forcefully reject perfectly valid player concerns - Raging loss of folders for contacts - annoyed metal scraps for meta0 loot - glad the meta0 nerf finally happened, tho metal scraps just seems to be rubbing it in, I'd rather have nothing than to have to sort through complete trash - meh Mission destination balancer now sending me farther than before - I wish it wouldn't send me 3 jumps out just because there are 10 in local - meh API still online - pleasantly surprised
Allen Ramses Caldari Zombicidal Mania Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.05.27 01:59:00 - [102] There was a bug in Dominion which caused a CTD while entering/exiting warp while a T3 ship was on the grid and texture memory was set to high. I bug reported it (90419) and it said 'fixed in Planetary Interaction'. Can you confirm this has been fixed? And if so, don't you think you ought to update the patch notes? ____________ I'd make a forum signature that didn't suck, but I'm restricted by a character limit that does.
UGERNAUGHT	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:03:00 - [103] Edited by: UGERNAUGHT on 27/05/2010 02:04:40 Dont like it. Fix the loud roaring sound that blasts through my speakers when I jump through EVERY jumpgate. If you guys would just fix the bugs we had before the new patch, we wouldnt even need the new patch. No one but a few dozen actually like the patch and NO ONE wanted it. WE PAY YOUR BILLS CCP, your job is to keep us happy so we continue to pay your bills. If you cant go back and fix the old bugs before dropping a new buggy expansion, maybe a few thousand closed accounts might change things. CCP, dont turn into SOE. It looks like youre heading that way everyday.
Letah Gallente Players In Management Positions	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:08:00 - [104] Server Tranquility still down "The cluster is not currently accepting connections"
Elyseum	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:08:00 - [105] /gets down on a knee /and with pleading voice freeze all development and fix the bugs before you do anything else. even if the server has to be down for a week. just do it
Makdo	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:09:00 - [106] I would just say that after playing online games for many years and going through update after update, EVE runs in a league of it's own. No annoying fees, mirror sites, damn punkbuster issues or rampant exploits. Just a great game and while all of the whiners are entitled to their own opinions maybe they forgot what it is like on for instance an EA game server. Oh, thanks for the Scorpion re-work, looks great!
Lee Anderson Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Misanth Disconnects? I've got a couple of pals who can't stay online for more than a few seconds/minutes before they get disconnected (abruptly, no lag, just totalhelldeath). Any clue why this is happening? It's working fine for others (me). Are your friends paying there utility bill on time? O_O
Artabanus	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:11:00 - [108] Originally by: Makdo I would just say that after playing online games for many years and going through update after update, EVE runs in a league of it's own. No annoying fees, mirror sites, damn punkbuster issues or rampant exploits. Just a great game and while all of the whiners are entitled to their own opinions maybe they forgot what it is like on for instance an EA game server. Oh, thanks for the Scorpion re-work, looks great! AMEN BROTHER!
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:13:00 - [109] BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i Xhar Khalagor /i hr height=1 noshade span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Xhar Khalagor on 27/05/2010 00:52:50 /i /span br [repost from a href= http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324988 target= _blank http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324988 /a ] br Ok, to start of the new contact system is a joke. NO WAI 2 different negative standing filters is enough. Where are the custom filters? br How the F am I supposed to manage the online status of characters of 4 different corps we are at war with? br Where s the option to manage large quantities of contacts? eg delete some-few-many br Where the F are my old character folders? br Seriously did you even look at the old people&places before making anything? Come on WTF! br br Now, a href= http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324536 target= _blank http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324536 /a divert your attention here > CSM thread..... So amazingly moronic that some tech issue has to be involved but really a solution should be found to whatever the tech issue is that doesn't involve crippling the entire contacts system. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324734
cytheras wrath	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:14:00 - [110] i love remote sensing! now i don't have to travel to each system to scan planets! (for those that are a bit slow, the ly's is so u can go to Map mode, and click a system and view the planets from your current system, or station!) tho, i don't see the reason behind holding back the command centers... i am using this time to scan and view every planet and write down the ones i like on paper, so i know which planets i'm gonna brand with my command centers. Something i tryed in sisi, but wasnt able to do was use a freighter for PI, for droping and picking up stuff by planets, personaly i think freighters are more qualifyed for this job then industrial ships really, when it comes to having 4+ command centers in 1 system.
Taneeth	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:14:00 - [111] Edited by: Taneeth on 27/05/2010 02:15:23 the planetary system looks nice,easy to manage(basically simple to start),it really was missing. i like the new look of my rattlesnake but finally i feel loosing a ship to gain a new one.(like for the galente navy comet changed to federation navy comet,in the past, it's something wrong). neutral/positive feedback:no cry ,no scream...but joy won't kill me this time.
Ankanos Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:16:00 - [112] Originally by: Vaal ven'Deelin I'd like to know if anyone has any idea when Stem would be loading this patch to their servers. i only ask this because if it isnt going to be for a while, i'm stuck downloading the patch for 11 hours. (Im in Australia, and have a cap for my net) I don't know if this will help in your case, however, i've uploaded the patch to my website (which is on a shared hosting service--it's in USA/East Coast) -and have the MD5 hash in the folder as well. It should serve it up at about 3-4mbs (max is 5mbs) -around 10minutes if your lucky..i'll leave it up for a day or so in this naked folder: http://eve.soundwash.net/tyrannis/ Note: i originally downloaded it from Chribba torrent in about 8min) -it's clean and installed with no problems for me. Forum link to the to Chribba's torrent is Here -hope this helps. -ank ---
Septic Shok Amarr Frogiz	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:18:00 - [113] Edited by: Septic Shok on 27/05/2010 02:19:58 Not real happy about eve-gate. Not only should it default to the highest privacy, but some of the options are a little vague. "All Corp Members" - is this ONLY corp members, or all of them plus whoever else wanders by? I'd rather just have an option to opt-out of evegate TBH. Now I have to remember to go change settings for every character I create, if I bother getting any more accounts. It's bad enough that everyone wants your API, now they will want full access to you through this too.
Skylar Gray	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:21:00 - [114] Originally by: Elyseum /gets down on a knee /and with pleading voice freeze all development and fix the bugs before you do anything else. even if the server has to be down for a week. just do it /and with pleading voice freeze all development and fix the bugs before you do anything else. even if the server has to be down for a week. just do it /and with pleading voice freeze all development and fix the bugs before you do anything else. even if the server has to be down for a week. just do it /and with pleading voice freeze all development and fix the bugs before you do anything else. even if the server has to be down for a week. just do it Jesus Christ seriously fix the existing bugs/lag/borked **. Your ambition is WAY TOO ING HUGE for such a small company. Impossible is your middle name? Try impossibly laggy, impossibly broken, impossibly annoying changes that were neither warranted nor necessary. Server rollback, save Tyrannis for next year when you look at whats busted and fix that **.
Flashmala	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:26:00 - [115] Originally by: ShadowMaiden Please reinstate ability to create folders in the contacts list. See no reason why this was removed. I second this.... the only way to catalog contacts now is by standings. We now have to scroll through a whole contact list to find a character. Being able to create a folder to separate different groups was important.
Malus Sentio Public Liability Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:28:00 - [116] The background image on the eve-gate front page is still Dominion and should be updated to the blues/grays of Tyrannis. CCP, alot of people have many characters on many accounts. Its impossible to think that you don't know this. When you designed eve-gate you should have allowed people to link multiple accounts/characters to the same interface and allowed management of all of them from the one place. Take an application like EveMon for example. It is designed knowing full well that people might have multiple accounts and characters. Having to log in/out multiple times is extremely tedious and very short-sighted and poorly designed on your behalf.
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:30:00 - [117] Any software developer who has their name on a checkin for this steaming pile should be ashamed of themselves. You claim to be Agile, yet you ignore every point of being an "agile" team. You fail at basic bug testing. You fail at basic coding. Please, stop adding new features for a patch, and devote a full patch to nothing but bug fixes and fine-tuning. ZERO NEW FEATURES. Or quit the company. Ethically, those are your two choices as Software Engineers.
menacemyth	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:31:00 - [118] I'm glad the Tyrannis deployment went smoothly. It this a bad time to ask that the Eve-Gate site be linked to the Eveonline site. It's very hard to find from http://www.eveonline.com
Khanoonian Singh Ramshackle Industrial	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:34:00 - [119] Please stop using the "new" wormhole wavering circle graphic on everything, from wormholes to the sun,even our warp tunnels and sensor boosters have it. Come up with a new effect or something please.
Dr BattleSmith PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:37:00 - [120] Originally by: Caladain Barton Any software developer who has their name on a checkin for this steaming pile should be ashamed of themselves. Agreed. This upgrade stinks of sociopathes and hubris. Some of these Team leaders, especially evegate, seem to think they know better then the users.
ellena allente	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:48:00 - [121] I absolutely do not like the new contact list because it lacks folders. The folders were very useful, and one of the best features of the old list.
Exoduss322	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:56:00 - [122] Let's see. Approx. 110 mil to buy a Maelstrom, approx. 30 mil for full insurance. Total cost: 140 mil. Platinum insurance payout: 96 mil. WTF???
DUCA TI'WU	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:58:00 - [123] Edited by: DUCA TI''WU on 27/05/2010 03:01:31 so what exactly does the planetology and advanced planetology skills do? other new ones are self explanatory, so is there a need to get adv-planet to a 4 vs. taking command to a 4,
Xerilious	Posted - 2010.05.27 02:59:00 - [124] I haven't had any problems so far, except that I'm sitting in a log-in queue.
Cors It's A Trap	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:07:00 - [125] On the right ----> We have the search window. And nothing else.. that's wasted screen space. Integrate EVE Gate into that. At least with a link, or something. Preferably with a list of all my eve char's, so I can click on them nice and quickly to see all the posts from eve gate. Or a way to integrate all my accounts into one EVE Gate screen. Maybe at the top of eve gate where you have the char's portrait, switch char option, and profile settings, allow us to put in the login info for each account, and have every char portrait be up there and clickable for quick char changes, instead of the having to log out/in to see each char's EVE gate page.
Daisaku K	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:07:00 - [126] I can't find ANY Planetary Infrstructure~ Should they be like on the market like in SISI? Or just some people bought all of them? However, should there be a way to PRODUCE them!?
Shade Millith Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:10:00 - [127] Here's my feedback Things the community have been wanting changed Rockets are still worthless, no change, well done AF's are still mostly bad, no change, well done Cyno effects are still crap, no change, well done Engine Trails are still gone, no change, well done Things that I've never heard anyone say was a problem Insurance changes, you lowered it for everything. Some people were wanting it removed for those who got concorded Distance being moved to the right alignment, what the hell? But I guess we got a nice new skin for the scorpion.... ------------------------
Aeila Goch	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:11:00 - [128] Contacts, please remove the options to a select box next to the search box, (using the empty real estate there) rather than along side the list, (wasting valuable real estate here) & add folders to allow list organisation.
Ace2001 Caldari S E A R	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:11:00 - [129] I have a question: I have setups for my mission ship so that depending on what type of damage the mission NPC's will be doing, I can go into the ship fittings and select the correct fit to change around my resists for it. Now, before Tyrannis, this worked fine. it would switch out the resist modules and I'd be on my way. However, since Tyrannis came out it now un-equips every single module and then re-equips them, causing me to have to re-load my cap booster every time (minor annoyance) and also causing me to have to re-group my launchers every time I undock. (Much bigger annoyance.) Is this suppose to happen, or what? D:
Kerr avonn Minmatar Frobozz Electric	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:19:00 - [130] Originally by: Tryptic Photon CCP ART MEETING Sun Artist: "Hey guys, you know how like when you go to the sun, and you get this awesome bath of fiery hot plasma... like you've landed super close to it and it's all fiery n moving n bubbling n stuff?" Art Director: "Yep" Sun Artist: "Well, what if we got rid of all that fiery stuff, and made it a plain white disk with a little bit of edge blur. And I'm talkin' _plain_ here... wouldn't that be great?" Art Director: "I cannot believe we didn't think of this before. Go forth and seed the universe with this tight and funky plan!" Quite possibly the funniest post i have read today, and this being patch day i have read quite a few.
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:19:00 - [131] Really loving the calendar!
Kerr avonn Minmatar Frobozz Electric	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:27:00 - [132] Originally by: Daisaku K I can't find ANY Planetary Infrstructure~ Should they be like on the market like in SISI? Or just some people bought all of them? However, should there be a way to PRODUCE them!? Its a bummer but Contol Center's wont be here till june 8th.
Da'iel Zehn Bloodnaut Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:39:00 - [133] Scorpion model is fantastic. great work on that! DZ -- DZ's website Got a problem? Talk to my gun.
Freya Kesanlaulu Minmatar Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.27 03:59:00 - [134] Originally by: Da'iel Zehn Scorpion model is fantastic. great work on that! DZ Agree. I don't fly caldari, and I don't like caldari design actually, but new scoripion looks great! It looks more like battleship now. Suns also look good, I don't know why everybody is whining... Eve gate is cool. And this time I don't have any bug like with dominion.... so this patch works really good for now. _______________________________
Gil Danastre Amarr Robur in Arma	Posted - 2010.05.27 04:41:00 - [135] Regarding the insurance changes, i'm liking the increased (im assuming) payout on tech 2 ships. However, did you guys change your mind about the tech 3 insurance? From the blog; Quote: We have our own ideas for how much of the full insurance value we want to payout for each ship class which generally is 100% for Tech 1 ship groups, 20-60% for Tech 2 and 100% for Tech 3 ships I know it doesn't take subsystems into account, but currently the Legion's platinum payout is 12 million. Not exactly 100% of ~170 million
Royaldo Gallente Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.	Posted - 2010.05.27 04:49:00 - [136] Any reason why I show up as a female achura on evegate?
Mr Stargazer	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:28:00 - [137] Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:33:52 Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:32:34 whats the logic behind insurance changes, we know that **ty low insurance payout does not affect ship prices at all, all t2 ships example known for a long time, so WTF? less pvp, more carebearing HEEY THEY SOLVED FLEET BATTLES LAG! I dont give a damn about sun textures, and even ing new scorpion look, you know why i even bother to play this silly game ? to compete against other ppl in battles, i dont give a damn about building crap on planets if i would i will choose civilization series to play with some silly virtual economy *****s. i came back to eve just to see what changed and i will be off until you will discover some developer team with common sense.
Xarhariel	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:28:00 - [138] The new Contacts folder is awful. I can't make group changes to corp standing in game, instead I've got to use the eve gate to make group changes to my contacts, oh and if I make a change in eve gate, it would appear that there is a lag between changing standing in eve gate and the change taking effect in game. Do I have to log out and back in or does it take effect after a month or so? Incidentally, why did anyone think it was a good idea to remove the ability to have your own folders? I liked having mine organised in a more meaningful way, you know, "Friends" "Old Corp Buddies" etc, as opposed to the new system which isn't useful to me, it isn't helpful to me to know that someone is in "Good Standing" as I actually used my contacts for contacts to keep a track of PEOPLE - not standings.
Choo Madoodle	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:39:00 - [139] Originally by: DUCA TI'WU Edited by: DUCA TI''WU on 27/05/2010 03:01:31 so what exactly does the planetology and advanced planetology skills do? other new ones are self explanatory, so is there a need to get adv-planet to a 4 vs. taking command to a 4, I advanced from planetology I to planetology II while scanning a planet. The increase seemed to intensify the colored overlays that indicate resource locations. As a result, I suspect that higher levels of planetology will enable a player to ascertain the location and quantity of resources with a greater degree of accuracy, thereby allowing them to more strategically place their infrastructure.
Locar Quilus	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:44:00 - [140] steam is updating my already up to date client Its going slower than a tortoise whose missing two legs crossing a tar pit. 20mins = 20%.... hopefully I remember to check off the "do not keep this game up to date" box when it finishes. I might need a braille keyboard by that time because I'm about to gouge out my eyeballs, stick an m80 in each of the sockets and light those puppies. Its been a long day.......... Signature image removed. If you wish to inquire, please email [email protected] with a link to your signature. Thanks, Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Griznatle Caldari Advocates of Sin	Posted - 2010.05.27 05:46:00 - [141] Originally by: Omir Kajil Edited by: Omir Kajil on 26/05/2010 22:38:25 Logged on to eve gate via iPhone. My profile picture is simply a generic silhouette with a generic background. If there's an option to change it to your character's picture, I couldn't find it. Oh, and apparently (according to eve gate) I've been a member of my alliance longer than I've been a member of my corp. 3 months and 17 days vs only 3 months in the corp. Not a big deal but meh. edit: meant to post this in the issues thread The number under the alliance is how long your corp has been part of the alliance, not you in particular. oh, on the other hand, did you read my sig? CanihazurBumpBump?
g0ldfinger07	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:02:00 - [142] Wow if jita is any sign of things to come in sov warfare who needs skill or a proper fight just send 500+ to a system and leave logged in and Blast away until you own it or vice versa. -1 ccp -1 The continued effort of lag ends in shutting down a system really? LOLZ On the plus side my client loaded faster and seems like some mechanics would be better but i cant get in to see. /me sits back and waits for epic lolz fights besides all the lolz ive gotten from POS's pwning. Beware POS's ARE SELF AWARE RUN...
Allan Sheperd	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:04:00 - [143] The new smoothed camera makes using the directional scanner much harder to use quickly. Is there any way to disable this "cosmetic" effect?
Zavin Centio	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:04:00 - [144] New scorpion model is fantastic to say the least. The spinning array gives a nice sense of its role. I for one like the new stars, the more realistic the better. I hope they stay. I also like how the planet types and numbers have been changed to be more realistic as well. Hiring an astophysisit was a good move. Keep up the good work, for two free expansions a year i am happy with what you guys do, laying the ground work is good. There will always be people complaining you didnt give them what they specifically wanted.
Azaris Rubernis	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:09:00 - [145] Originally by: Mr Stargazer Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:33:52 Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:32:34 whats the logic behind insurance changes, we know that **ty low insurance payout does not affect ship prices at all, all t2 ships example known for a long time, so WTF? less pvp, more carebearing HEEY THEY SOLVED FLEET BATTLES LAG! I dont give a damn about sun textures, and even ing new scorpion look, you know why i even bother to play this silly game ? to compete against other ppl in battles, i dont give a damn about building crap on planets if i would i will choose civilization series to play with some silly virtual economy *****s. i came back to eve just to see what changed and i will be off until you will discover some developer team with common sense. you don't need to play eve then go to play wow or something, maybe that's better game for you
WaringAndWhoring Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:19:00 - [146] You know I would just be happy if they would add probes to the overview and take the bloom effect off of the space backgrounds and gas clouds in missions and such so I could use bloom and not be blinded. If those 2 things got changed I would be happy as pigs in **** the rest I can deal with and will probably be taken care of over the following years but come on how hard is it to do those 2 things? I swear I don't even understand why we have a "stellar counsel" its where ideas go to die. That's what the assembly hall thread should be called, lol "where ideas go to die!"
Omir Kajil Gallente The POD Collective	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:20:00 - [147] Originally by: Wohlf Well, just a small thing. Myself and a few others noticed when jumping between systems, there seems to be a sound like roar of static right before the screen switches to a new system. Otherwise. Liking the new stuff CCP. you sayin' that EVE has sound??? I smell troll. But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig.
cyndrogen	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:21:00 - [148] Edited by: cyndrogen on 27/05/2010 06:21:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrmUUcr4HXg here is some reference of our sun in the meantime. Enjoy! Originally by: eliminator2 i forgot about the change of sun so i warped to it exicted about the new graphic but when i got there i was disapointed to find a ball of yellow with a bit of orange that looks like a 2 year old draw and went out of lines which ended up been flares, well tbh thats not fair to the 2 year olds, i mean come on all these sexy new planets and then we end up with a sun that looks like its 2D and basicly doesnt look like a real sun at all
shtive	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:24:00 - [149] very blue :)
Omir Kajil Gallente The POD Collective	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:26:00 - [150] Originally by: Griznatle Originally by: Omir Kajil Edited by: Omir Kajil on 26/05/2010 22:38:25 Logged on to eve gate via iPhone. My profile picture is simply a generic silhouette with a generic background. If there's an option to change it to your character's picture, I couldn't find it. Oh, and apparently (according to eve gate) I've been a member of my alliance longer than I've been a member of my corp. 3 months and 17 days vs only 3 months in the corp. Not a big deal but meh. edit: meant to post this in the issues thread The number under the alliance is how long your corp has been part of the alliance, not you in particular. I wasn't in that alliance before I was in that particular corp, probably should've mentioned that lol But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig.
Mr Stargazer	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:37:00 - [151] Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 06:37:19 Originally by: Azaris Rubernis Originally by: Mr Stargazer Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:33:52 Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 05:32:34 whats the logic behind insurance changes, we know that **ty low insurance payout does not affect ship prices at all, all t2 ships example known for a long time, so WTF? less pvp, more carebearing HEEY THEY SOLVED FLEET BATTLES LAG! I dont give a damn about sun textures, and even ing new scorpion look, you know why i even bother to play this silly game ? to compete against other ppl in battles, i dont give a damn about building crap on planets if i would i will choose civilization series to play with some silly virtual economy ***s. i came back to eve just to see what changed and i will be off until you will discover some developer team with common sense. you don't need to play eve then go to play wow or something, maybe that's better game for you i'm not interested in your opinions so you can shovel it up your butt, thank you, as for expansion feedback ,there it is mine, swallow it or don't read it, you **face
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:39:00 - [152] About all I can say about this expansion: thanks for nothing.
ryh	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:39:00 - [153] The insurance change is common sense, they did it to stop / reduce insurance fraud. It's a change that has been a long time coming.
Zey Nadar Gallente S0utherN Comfort Enforcers of Serenity	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:41:00 - [154] Edited by: Zey Nadar on 27/05/2010 06:44:29 Why is eve gate shoving broadcasts of REDS to me? I have like 30 pages of people and corps set red and I couldnt care less what they write in this stupid spacebook.. Issue: browsing the pages in eve gate contact list has a problem, when going from smaller number to larger number the page numbers dont scroll. If theres pages like 1 2 3 4 ... 29 clicking the ... will make it jump to 6 7 8 ie. it will jump over one page. Originally by: ellena allente I absolutely do not like the new contact list because it lacks folders. The folders were very useful, and one of the best features of the old list. Folders are nice in theory but they didnt really work to begin with once there were too many contacts. ps. The planets are propably nice and you finally fixed the planet temperatures.. Good job. I know scorpion already looks great cause I saw it before. The economic changes will have to wait a bit before we see whether they are good or bad.
Mr Stargazer	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:47:00 - [155] Edited by: Mr Stargazer on 27/05/2010 06:51:16 Originally by: ryh The insurance change is common sense, they did it to stop / reduce insurance fraud. It's a change that has been a long time coming. yea, getting rid of fraud is ok, but crippling ability to participate in fights for pvp who dont enjoy carebearing is different, all this expansion is about and for carebears tbh. i didnt fly t2 because of that now i wont be able to afford to be in fight as much as i want without sacrificing more time for carebearing, which is crap, they forgot about pvp aspect of eve or what, could be more balanced...end of rant, thanks.
Snorre Sturlasson	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:52:00 - [156] Eve-gate is only made for one account. Most of my mates and I have more than one account. So please change that.
xaxoth	Posted - 2010.05.27 06:53:00 - [157] Removing contact folders before the proposed replacement (tags) are ready to deploy is major fail.
Daan Sai OHiTech	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:02:00 - [158] Looks pretty, looking forward to PI. But: Widescreen mode was my prefered mode - esp good for module highights and the camera perspective was nice. Puzzled as to why it is gone. :( Number column alignment in overview - I want to be able to put it back to left justified so I can squeeze the column to an absolute minimum without the leading spaces. **at least make the column alignment a user choice!!!*** This is franklu a high handed poorly thought out change. Daan --------------------------------- Internet Submarines is Serious Business ---------------------------------
Xornicon Altair Woopatang Primary.	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:20:00 - [159] No Alliance Logos = CCP Fail. Let's get on this! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1224403 ----- CCP! Show Us The Alliance Logos!
WootChaun	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:28:00 - [160] Everybody always wants something for nothing. I can't believe how many people complain and whine and moan about a FREE expansion... Nobody here had to pay anything extra and the DL was smooth and quick. So what's the big deal? Granted, yes, it is a little bit underwhelming but that's only because PI hasn't been fully implemented yet. Once it has, it'll add a whole new aspect to EVE and I for one am very much looking forward to it. In the mean time, just play the same game you were playing a couple days ago and wait patiently! I mean c'mon you play EVE don't you? You've gotta have at least SOME patience... Thank you CCP for all your hard work it really shows in how amazing your game is and how no one else has even come close to doing anything remotely similar! <3
Voltara Mina	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:30:00 - [161] A bucketload of whine is expected when new patches is released and nothing is different here It looks nice there was surprisingly little lag last night. Without patches, new stuff etc etc this game would stagnate and die. I have been playing this game since beginning of 2004 and when i hear people drivel about how much better the old patches was i have to laugh. Because it is bs. Short-time memory is strong in us and apparantly we tend to remember only the good stuff after a while. This patch is a milestone and i for one embrace it. Alot of bugs and startup problems, but that comes with every patch. Nothing new and i dont understand why anyone is still surprised by that. To the " i threaten to leave fellas" and "this patch sucks people". Please pack up your **** and leave if you dont like it. I wont miss you and im pretty certain noone else will. Flame on!
Propoli Minmatar Deorbit Burners Immortalis Militis Invictus	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:31:00 - [162] Feedback: Deployment: Great, no problems. Everything updated as planned. Good job. Pros: Jukebox now playing next track, your sound department produces quality audio so its good to finally listen to all the tracks. Planet scanning looks nice, looking forward to be able to interact with them. Cons: Folders gone, I used to use these in war decs so could split up different corps. Right aligned distance column makes no sense. Overall for an "Expansion" its pretty dull. The PI stuff seems like its trying to be Civ but doesn't have the depth, although maybe you have plans to beef it up a bit. I think what you have achieved with Eve is incredible but you seem to have lost your way a little bit. I hope the next expansion feels more like one. Cheers.
Freya Kesanlaulu Minmatar Special Operations Corp Mortal Destruction	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:36:00 - [163] Originally by: WootChaun Everybody always wants something for nothing. I can't believe how many people complain and whine and moan about a FREE expansion... Nobody here had to pay anything extra and the DL was smooth and quick. So what's the big deal? Granted, yes, it is a little bit underwhelming but that's only because PI hasn't been fully implemented yet. Once it has, it'll add a whole new aspect to EVE and I for one am very much looking forward to it. In the mean time, just play the same game you were playing a couple days ago and wait patiently! I mean c'mon you play EVE don't you? You've gotta have at least SOME patience... Thank you CCP for all your hard work it really shows in how amazing your game is and how no one else has even come close to doing anything remotely similar! <3 totally agree with you _______________________________
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:43:00 - [164] Good job overall CCP! Thank you for all of your hard work! There are a few issues with the patch that need attention and I have put it in the issues thread and will send a petition to help the developers. Im looking forward to getting PI up and running and already training the skills. I love EVE Gate. A novel idea as I am sitting here with my coffee, catching up on the news and playing with my son while interacting with ingame ppl and checking on my char. I know some ppl diminish this hard work be calling it 'facebook for EVE' but I think they will be the ones using it most anyhow Good job! Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Mind Crime	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:53:00 - [165] well, i dont know whether its a bug or a feature: 1. you cant access or even look in pos corporate hangar arrays anymore if they are not online. is this wanted? 2. when compressing ore in a rorqual, in every run the input and output standard is "my hangar". you have to switch it everytime to "my cargohold" since nobody will compress out of his/her hangar. this is quite anoying. is it possible to change it one time to the desired option and make the client then remember this setting?
Arriyanna Blue	Posted - 2010.05.27 07:53:00 - [166] Originally by: Mr Stargazer yea, getting rid of fraud is ok, but crippling ability to participate in fights for pvp who dont enjoy carebearing is different, all this expansion is about and for carebears tbh. i didnt fly t2 because of that now i wont be able to afford to be in fight as much as i want without sacrificing more time for carebearing, which is crap, they forgot about pvp aspect of eve or what, could be more balanced...end of rant, thanks. last patch was for 0.0 - which means pvp there must be some balance - not only pvp, and not only carebearing
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:22:00 - [167] Thanks for another expansion Cee Cee Pee, I dont care about a single feature in this one, but the whines, tears and internet emorage are as entertaining as always. These threads deliver.
Cresalle	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:28:00 - [168] I like the insurance changes. I like that you finally fixed the LP store window. I like the new Scorpion model. I like that some things seem to run slightly smoother. I dislike... No... I'm f*ing *ed about what you've done to my contacts. Doubly (possibly triply) so about the fact that you made the default setting* on EVE-Gate to allow other players to view my contacts list.
Symtest	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:34:00 - [169] This is really minor but anyway.. The Caldari logo on the scorpion has visible gray pixels around it. This might be because you decided to change the scorpion`s color to black. Anyway would be nice to see it fixed. Also this is just a personal opinion but the new model looks a bit too much like a toy rather than a space ship .
Khaymann Draven Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:40:00 - [170] Edited by: Khaymann Draven on 27/05/2010 08:45:52 so far not what i was hoping for but its not all bad and its not all the way out yet but time will tell just how good or bad it is... thanks for fixing jukebox now we can actually hear some of the songs without having to mess with it all the time does anyone no anything about planet respawn time or if there is a respawn cuz if not then hole expansion is epic fail considering most planets can be completely striped in a matter of hours
Allan Sheperd	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:41:00 - [171] I wondered where the hell CCP got the idea to force camera smoothing. I searched the forums and site for camera smoothing, only one relevant result came up. "some other features that moviemakers would probably like to see are: Mouse smoothing" One post. About making movies with EVE, requesting camera smoothing. I'm not making a movie. I'm trying to hunt people down with the directional scanner, making scans on belts and planets while in warp. The camera smoothing makes it almost impossible to be extremely accurate with the scans in short amounts of time. Why was this added, and is it possible to disable it? If you have something that works, and nobody complains, why did it need to change? Why, with all the known problems in EVE was it such a priority to make my camera smoothed? Is anyone else noticing this, or annoyed by it? Also, why can't I relocate the window for the planetary interaction? Why is there no minimize option for it?
ZaBob	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:45:00 - [172] To counter all the whining, I'll say that I am pretty happy with the release. It may be premature, but it seems to me that the performance of both client and the servers is much improved, and that's a very welcome change. I look forward to the planetary interaction stuff. I even somewhat like Spacebook, and I don't have a problem with the default privacy settings (though you shouldn't be surprised that some do). But this Contacts change was a Really Bad Idea.
carebear one	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:49:00 - [173] Hi guys, thanks for nothing. Beside the fact that I am paying for this updates with my subscription fee it is really anoying to wait for an update that containst substantialy nothing. I think it would have been more honest from you guys when you said to us "Sorry folks whe did it again. We engineered PI into EVE but it is not running. Give us some more time to figure out how to fix it" ... Everybody would have understand that. But delivering a Patch with "stunning new features" wich the main content is disabled till some day in the (far far away) future is not a good manner to handle customers
Khaymann Draven Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 08:56:00 - [174] i have to admit i kinda like the new contacts just need to add some folders... and ccp u really should start listening to ur players more i dont wanna sound whinny but there r a lot of issues that ppl have petitioned that u have blatantly ignored
Voggles	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:01:00 - [175] Dear CCP, I was looking forward to the new Tyrannis update. Untill I saw that Agents were to give out missions to quieter systems.. I really don't like flying 5 jumps to kill some NPC's, 5 back to my HQ, switching to a Salvager and making the trip again.. Can't you first test if this works with tradehubs (so no missions in trade hubs anymore). If that balances things (and the server) enough, please reverse this patch.. I specifically choose this Agent because of the good missions, high Quality and nearby missions. Thanks in advance, Voggles
Eelis Kiy Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:08:00 - [176] Dullest expansion ever. How is Eve gate "expansion" content? Did you take your privacy advice directly from Facebook? Are there not other things that should have taken priority over this? The PI deployment seems a bit of a joke, still at least can get rid of all those POS mods now... The only thing remotely interesting is the in game calender. PS you broke our corp logo. ----------------------------- >>where the frack is my ship?<<
Zaerlorth Maelkor The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:08:00 - [177] Originally by: YoNightmare But look at the bright side, you'll have all that time to train the 2 skills to max. And I saved a couple of bill back just for this. You do realize that there are 5 skills, right? However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs. second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
lightbeing	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:13:00 - [178] Originally by: Isaph Remote Sensing states that level 1 allows scan within 1 light year of your position.... Since a light year is 60000+ AU, what's the point of training this skill more than once? Shouldn't this be working on a AU basis since you can't scan planets outside of your solar system here anyway? you are able to scan planets outside your solar system by ussing the map browser or even the planets from within your stations you are located in, for the Planetary skill you need Remote Sensing lvl 3 Fly Save
Nina Treml	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:23:00 - [179] Edited by: Nina Treml on 27/05/2010 09:24:01 Originally by: Kern Hotha About all I can say about this expansion: thanks for nothing. this! and btw: new logos = ****
Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2010.05.27 09:54:00 - [180] Originally by: Drekna Masto Originally by: Your Client Please put "sunday" to the furthest left of my calendar or atleast give me the option to swithc between calendar types. I cannot get used to sunday being on the furthest right! I fully agree with this request. It's very odd looking at the calendar and having everything be one day offset (because here, Sunday is always on the left side). On a plus, love the new cursors. Why is Sunday on the left? It's the last day of the week! nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Celebris Nexterra	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:01:00 - [181] Edited by: Celebris Nexterra on 27/05/2010 10:02:26 I really am mostly satisfied with the game, but this little stuff has GOT to go. You get an hour of downtime EVERY day. How many days since dominion? It's more than 120 for sure. 120 hours of downtime!!!! That's when all these stupid typos and random stuff should be fixed!! Also, the main site said the downtime was going to be more than scheduled. Fine. I was expecting that anyway. But to then say you'd have an update at 1800 and then never say anything?? I just randomly was able to access the server at about 2100. WTF? I did notice in the Scope news later that it was listed as an update at 2000. But still. There never was an update on the deployment, and most people are probably going to check the main site anyway. And i have things to do!! I can't sit around staring at the login screen all day, waiting for it to come back up so i can take the 5 minutes to buy the skills and put them in queue... I have read EVERY SINGLE reply in this thread. Yes, EVERY single one. And the main consensus seems to be that EVE gate was mostly unneeded (i actually like not being able to adjust skills outside of my own comp- it makes the long skills seem a bit shorter ), the new contacts list is AWFUL (that is my main point), and the Scorpion is BEAUTIFUL !!! Oh, and apparently POS's are sentient beings !!!
Triiniity Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:02:00 - [182] Originally by: Odyessus expansion? what expansion? this is a collection of failed features, that your customers didnt want. the biggest of which, u couldnt even get out of the door on time. so disappointing. u should thank your lucky stars, u dont have a real competitor... but anyway, on to the list: 1. Eve-gate = useless. who wants this facebook type thing? have u conducted any customer requirements capture exercise? did we say we wanted this crap instead of fixing lag / bugs? 2. Calendar - well developed feature, but why? because this function has come so late, many of us already have solutions for organising. fleet finder was an awesome feature as we had nothing like it before, but this feature is useless, other than to advertise your own 'events' so they dont fail so hard. 3. Contacts - no way of creating folders, which is fail. each contact (of which i have hundreds), now need to be individually managed... great. hours of 'gameplay' 4. Right aligned distance - why? i mean seriously... what the hell was the need to change this? who wanted this? CCP or your customers? 5. 2600 corp contact limit - only good 'feature' so far, and we got this only after massive protest... 6. the new 'sun' - i wonder what kind of feedback you'd have got from sisi if u let this one out early? do you consider this a graphical improvement? i dont - its a irregular semi-transparent sphere (u can see the texture pinch at the top & bottom), with some kind of streaky rings of light surrounding it. what happened to the old one? did u need to change this to reduce lag or something else critical to gameplay? 7. deep safes - a complex issue, which i think people would have been happy with, had you fixed fleet lag 8. insurance changes - ill be looking closely at the financial report, to see how its affected the markets/players behaviour 9. scorp model = win. love it. you have now set the bar pretty damn high, for any other model changes u plan to make... good luck. i look forward to see how you take the feedback from everyone & the csm, on this expansion, and what you deliver on the next. ody 1) A lot of people want it; the feedback I have heard so far is that more people like it that dis-like it. I agree, they should concentrate on fixing stuff rather than bringing in new stuff though 2) Calendar, awesome. I have been wanting a calendar for years - finally it has come 3) Contact system is better; however it does need groups and also folders 4) Right aligned distance makes more sense; its easier to distinguish between meters and km this way. They could have added an option to toggle it though - but if they added toggles for everything, we would just have too many toggles 5) yep yep 6) Dont care tbh 7) You are 100% correct 8) I like the fact that t1 ships now come with some risk. However, to better protect newer players I would prefer that the security status of the system you lose the ship in, or if you are in a war-dec affected insurance. If EVE was real, and we had real insurance companies, they would take these things into account. Insurance deals would come with clauses whereby if you lost the ship in 0.0 space, or you insured it while you were at war you would receive less return 9) yep yep
Cutter Maihac	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:09:00 - [183] Edited by: Cutter Maihac on 27/05/2010 10:11:59 CCP.. PLEASE take some time and make it very clear what address should be used for Eve Gate! I cant find a working link from the eve main page.. and if i google it.. nothing. so from the test.evegate i removed the test. bit and can see a site like eve gate... this looks legit, exept the facts that its not a confirmed site. Play nice, make it more than obvious where to be and where NOT to be.
Celebris Nexterra	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:11:00 - [184] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: Drekna Masto Originally by: Your Client Please put "sunday" to the furthest left of my calendar or atleast give me the option to swithc between calendar types. I cannot get used to sunday being on the furthest right! I fully agree with this request. It's very odd looking at the calendar and having everything be one day offset (because here, Sunday is always on the left side). On a plus, love the new cursors. Why is Sunday on the left? It's the last day of the week! Lol, you're obviously not from the United States are you? Although lots of businesses use calendars with Sunday as the last day. Should definitely have a choice though. As a matter of fact, why not just choose the starting day?? I would love a calendar where Friday was the start of the week !! Just to be weird
ScapeGoat1	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:29:00 - [185] The new standings system is junk 5 standings settings is not enough and having to add the contact to set standings is silly.
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:43:00 - [186] /me is waiting on the reports that evegate is a huge success. over 250.000 accounts logged into evegate in 48 hours showing why we left it on opt in so everyone has to change it so we can say everyone wants it because they all logged in en masse Anyways, who at CCP makes all the decisions about everything that gets made and put into the client for release? Is it a blind man perhaps? Or a single person with an IQ of about 25? Or is it perhaps not the company directors and such who i suspect have a collective IQ higher than 1000, but the stakeholders who just have big wallets and small brains? Is it really that hard to say no to the we want to do an expansion per 6 months even if it is full of fail, bugs, half done things, useless crap and everything else ? Are you really that daft to notice that every expansion is getting less and less support from your customers but you still decide to waste developer time on things that are not important enough for immediate release and put things that are important into the fridge? Stop for a minute, think for a second, dig back into that feeling that you had when you first started out developping eve and what you wanted to achieve with it... Does the heap of broken and unbalanced things resemble anything you dreamt of? Does the heap of backlog things to do and things we actually wanted to do earlier but can't because our stakeholders want to keep pushing out new stuff instead of fixing the old stuff resemble anything you dreamt of? Sure the game is pretty and has no competitors and keeps growing and growing and such, but hasn't that made you all lazy in regards to things introduced but never finished? Do you want to keep building upon heaps of code that will be unbalanced with every new line of code that gets added to it so it turns into a whole big bunch of trees instead of a nice and calming forrest with bells and whistles on top? Do you not see that adding half done things will need to be fixed, while other things previously added need fixing still, but both are not fixed because new stuff needs to be made and invented that will be put out not completed, so that needs fixing after deployment too? That said, i don't really have a prob with the latest expansion, just a casual player. I'm just trying to voice some reasonable output of all the (rightly so!) whines. However, if it is really stakeholders calling all the shots tell us, i'm sure we all would buy them out of their ignorant and not-even-interested-in-eve-only-return-on-investment existance and put you back on the right track... Just tell us... ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
Freyya Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:50:00 - [187] Originally by: Cutter Maihac Edited by: Cutter Maihac on 27/05/2010 10:11:59 CCP.. PLEASE take some time and make it very clear what address should be used for Eve Gate! I cant find a working link from the eve main page.. and if i google it.. nothing. so from the test.evegate i removed the test. bit and can see a site like eve gate... this looks legit, exept the facts that its not a confirmed site. Play nice, make it more than obvious where to be and where NOT to be. www.evegate.com https://gate.eveonline.com/ Both bring you to the right site. ___________ NOW COLLECTING ISD AND CCP AUTOGRAPHS It'll be worth something someday. -Rauth
GiantJack N0IR.	Posted - 2010.05.27 10:59:00 - [188] im really ****ed i life in low sek, on HQ station are 4x lvl4 Q20 agents before the patch most mission was in the same system maybe sometimes 1 jump and very low times 2 jumps away but now with the new patch i got NOT 1 mission in the HQ system many times 3 jumps in other low sek thx CCP i cant fly mission anymore with my 2.5b nightmare really big thx
Tiny Montgomery	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:07:00 - [189] No folders or groups for Contacts? Seriously? Not sure how you can even think of having a contacts list without this. Basic contact management stuff. Poor. Hope this is fixed as soon as possible.
Nebula Dream	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:08:00 - [190] CONTACTS in its current "NEW" format somehow lost "CREATE FOLDER" functionality, which is I believe quite essential in organizing them. This feature was invaluable for PVPers, but probably also for the rest of EVE community. I hope the functionality was removed by mistake and will be restored without any necessary delay. At the moment, CONTACTS are pretty useless. Thanks CCP in advance for putting this back into old good shape.
Krimishkev Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:08:00 - [191] I have to say, despite my low expectations for Tyrannis, I seem to be noticing and increase in multi-client performance. Is anyone else getting better performance from 2 or more clients since the patch? That is all... for now.
John Cant	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:11:00 - [192] Logged on and bought the skill books for planetary interaction. One of the skill books (when injected) went into my queue but remained as "unpackaged" in my hangar. I tried moving this to my ship but I got the an error stating "fatal - need a physician..." as it seems to be treating the book as an implant... Jc.
Poo Ka'hontas Red Eye Brigade	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:17:00 - [193] EvE took its one hour break, so i figured i would check out the brand new evegate that CCP is so proud of. Much to my surprice (read: shock) i just found out that when EvE is down, so is the gate I mean...COME ON!!!! The one time i can see any use at all (for my own sake) for the gate, is when EvE is taking the hourly break.. and it is down..? Please tell me this is a minor glitch and that you will keep the "gate" up during downtime? please..? ccp? Something tells me this "pacth" should have been delayed even further, because so far.. it is looking pretty baaad.. My advice: Dont do a new patch/expansion every 6 months, do it when you actually have some content to deploy.. ______________________________________________ My sig is on strike due to lack of attention!
Omir Kajil Gallente The POD Collective	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:18:00 - [194] Originally by: Krimishkev I have to say, despite my low expectations for Tyrannis, I seem to be noticing and increase in multi-client performance. Is anyone else getting better performance from 2 or more clients since the patch? That is all... for now. and this whole time I thought that poor performance while running two clients had to do with me using an older computer. in any case... It's an interesting read to see all these... PvP'er tears, of all things. But I digress. This one time at fat camp, i was flying a dominix, and then I was so hungry that i ate 3 planets and collapsed into a black hole, which ate my sig.
Flamehaired Death	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:19:00 - [195] Originally by: King Aires Originally by: Astomichi The new right-justified Distance column is terrible, please put it back the way it should be, or at least make it a selectable option. Seconded Looks odd but at least it is correctly sorting distances instead of sorting based on left-to-right digits.
Commander Whitford Caldari EARTH'S VICTIMS OF EVOLUTION 2	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:23:00 - [196] Have to say, really not impressed with the new suns. The one in Poinen looks like a white octagon, you can actually see the corners of the shape. I honestly preferred the old ones, they made me say wow, the new ones make me say wow for new reasons. If you ever played Sins of a Solar Empire, the suns on that don't look too great, and it always made me think of how much better they looked in eve, but now it's the other way round. I don't like complaining about EVE as I love the game so much, but I honestly think that the suns have been ruined.
Flamehaired Death	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:30:00 - [197] Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas EvE took its one hour break, so i figured i would check out the brand new evegate that CCP is so proud of. Much to my surprice (read: shock) i just found out that when EvE is down, so is the gate I mean...COME ON!!!! The one time i can see any use at all (for my own sake) for the gate, is when EvE is taking the hourly break.. and it is down..? Please tell me this is a minor glitch and that you will keep the "gate" up during downtime? please..? ccp? Something tells me this "pacth" should have been delayed even further, because so far.. it is looking pretty baaad.. My advice: Dont do a new patch/expansion every 6 months, do it when you actually have some content to deploy..

CCP Purple Tentacle	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:36:00 - [198] https://gate.eveonline.com/ is the official URL of EVE Gate.

Elvestra Flower	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:38:00 - [199] AND imagine that additional downtime needed today for what/// only the gods know, its probably so stupid they wont post it for the embarassement
Krimishkev Out of Order Cult of War	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:40:00 - [200] Edited by: Krimishkev on 27/05/2010 11:40:21 Originally by: Omir Kajil Originally by: Krimishkev I have to say, despite my low expectations for Tyrannis, I seem to be noticing and increase in multi-client performance. Is anyone else getting better performance from 2 or more clients since the patch? That is all... for now. and this whole time I thought that poor performance while running two clients had to do with me using an older computer. in any case... It's an interesting read to see all these... PvP'er tears, of all things. Yes, my machine is somewhat older as well. 6 years ago it was new technology. I run all settings low, LOD low, all effects off except guns, missiles, and ship explosions. Before the patch I was getting terrible lockups, and client freezes. Clients would crash randomly mainly if I had the characters in 2 different stations or just in different systems. Now I seem to not have that issue anymore. I dont know if I'm just being falsely optimisic or what, but yeah I havent had a problem since the patch so far.
Flamehaired Death	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:44:00 - [201] Probably happening because EVE-gate uses the same logon server as real game instead of the logon server used by the Forums and billing. Should be easy fix when they get around to it. However...expect some downtime until CCP debugs EVEgate and maybe even after. EVEgate itself might need only 5-10 minutes daily downtime in the future but... Keep in mind EVEgate is still linking to/through parts of the real game databases and thus has the same limits as say the API. The majority of EVE DT is database related not coding or anything else. Meaning downtime for EVEgate issues (if any) will naturally overlap with regular DT. Further unless CCP makes major changes to the game Databases to separate out the info EVEgates uses from everything else, EVEgate probably cannot come up unless ALL work on EVE game databases are complete. I guess CCP could do something like API utilities do and COPY stuff from the master game databases and then add EVEgate specific stuff. However there is some lag in copying (missing or old data) as well as pointless overhead to game servers for copying stuff not actually used because not every user logs onto EVEgate. Originally by: Poo Ka'hontas EvE took its one hour break, so i figured i would check out the brand new evegate that CCP is so proud of. Much to my surprice (read: shock) i just found out that when EvE is down, so is the gate I mean...COME ON!!!! The one time i can see any use at all (for my own sake) for the gate, is when EvE is taking the hourly break.. and it is down..? Please tell me this is a minor glitch and that you will keep the "gate" up during downtime? please..? ccp? Something tells me this "pacth" should have been delayed even further, because so far.. it is looking pretty baaad.. My advice: Dont do a new patch/expansion every 6 months, do it when you actually have some content to deploy..
Nimwa Unknown Soldiers	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:44:00 - [202] The expansion is void of anything I'd consider fun. And more fun is what Eve needs most. Imho anyway.
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:50:00 - [203] Originally by: EVE Gate EVE Gate is currently not accepting new logins Is this what your playerbase will see during every downtime? sigh Not only are web based resources still accessed using our game client access credentials, but the web resources are still tied to the game's up-time. CCP, have you not learned anything over the past five months of user input and feedback on de-coupling web browser credentials from the game client?
Commander Whitford Caldari EARTH'S VICTIMS OF EVOLUTION 2	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:56:00 - [204] I was starting to see the benefits of Eve Gate, weighing up the pros and cons, and I decided I was in favour... Until I realised that it also goes offline at downtime... Seriously we have EVEMon, we have Facebook, these do not go offline at lunch time for me! Its already annoying enough that it goes down on my lunch time, but I had sincerely hoped that EveGate would be my solution to this, but it isn't. I understand it is early days, and it still has the beta stamp. I can only hope that this will change in the coming days or weeks. PS: I love the new Scorpion model. Anybody who prefers the old one should be arrested ;) I have noticed a texture problem on the widow. At the front end of the midsection, near where the 'claws' protrude from, there is a metal armour sheet. On the scorpion and the navy issue this is fine, but on the widow it is blurred as if the texture never loaded. This may just be a fault with my computer but it is odd that the other versions load fine.
Isabella Thresher	Posted - 2010.05.27 11:56:00 - [205] - what i expected from evegate were things like skill training interfaces, pos silo level check functionality or maybe market lookups, which would be more than helpful for our corp internal management tool. what we got is facebook-style "write what you think here" and i'm not sure i'll log in to this whole thing a second time - very disappointed. - about the game itself, planetary interaction is nice and good to have included, altough i won't go this direction myself. - the loot and ore changes are too early too comment - i expect a lot of positive change in the next weeks. i do not feel like this is an expansion, rather a large patch.... hope something like this comes up for the next one: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1324691
Ares47	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:05:00 - [206] Edited by: Ares47 on 27/05/2010 12:08:20 Edited by: Ares47 on 27/05/2010 12:07:08 Look - I can understand the deployment and the effort it takes to accomplish this - however this is your business, a business of which I pay a lot of money to play. One day was fine - two days is unacceptable and if it continues a thrid day, I would expect some kind of compensation for the hassle. As a customer I have expectations just as I do with my cable provider. I understand for me and others this is a game - however this is EVE's business - please gather yourselves and get this going. My time during the day is limited. In the future my suggestion is to not launch something before its ready. As a web designer myself I build and test all my work prior to launch and if I didn't my customers would have my head. I love the game but annoyed with the decisions. Poor Management on Eves Part Does Not Demand an Emergency on MY PART. Ares47
Lialem	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:24:00 - [207] Why every single PI schematic in game can be used on any planet type (except the tier 4 that all of them can be used on barren and temperate). Why dont you split the schematics of all levels across different planets to make PI more deep and more complex? Will make the skill to control more planets mean more and the choice of selecting a specific planet type mean something... Right now at least, it seems so simple...
Heinrich Dekkard	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:38:00 - [208] Yeah,... well what to say,... its nice, the patch i mean... and thats all it is,... nice. a bit of Bug Fixing, a few new shiny graphics, 1 or 2 new toys to play with,.... all in all cosemtical fluff. But this aint CCP's Fault,... in Fact its nobodys fault. I guess it happened back in the early 90's when "enthusiasts" (e.g. Game Developers) where turned into "employees". It was back then when all the creativity vanished from the industry. Nowadays its more about maintaining a buisenes Model and satisfying the suits and the Moneygrabbers. It aint that much about doing interesting things anymore (which of course involve risk). With that beeing said i wouldnt discard this expansion as crap,... but it is very close to the current industry standard of "half arsedness". I would have expected new ships and maybe one or two game mechanic changes (maybe an overhaul of the travel System that gives a bit more of a free roaming feel to Eve, stuff like that maybe) Truth is companys today dont even try anymore,... they just dont try !! Why should they the money is coming in and everyone got used to mediocracy cause the public opinion set it as the new standard. Enjoy
IndustrieMogul	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:43:00 - [209] insurance from a Zealot = 31 mio .. from a Legion = 15 mio LOL ?
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.05.27 12:50:00 - [210] 1. There is nothing in this patch for you gatecamping wannabe pirates who never do anything else other than gate camp or station camp. 2. CCP did not take anything away from the subscription you are paying for. They added and streamlined new features and dimensions in the game. 3. Changes always require adjustment but usually are for the better. Get used to it as in EVE it is an ever changing environment. EVE doesnt revolve around one pilot and his subscription. CCP is doing an outstanding job at making EVE a place for everyone to enjoy and not every patch is going to do everything needed. There are always adjustments to be made and bugs to fix. As in everything in EVE, you have to be patient. So stop the whining. I swear you lot in this thread are the only ones I hear complaining like girls. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Cadia Lane	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:07:00 - [211] Edited by: Cadia Lane on 27/05/2010 13:13:42 1 - Calendar: nice addition, very useful 2 - EveGate: I am not sure what this is for. We already have Forums/EVEMoon/EFT etc. And these tools are, by far, more known and functional. I was hoping for the ability to "out of game" -> "in game" communication. There are some MMOs there with this possibility and it seems to wok. Yeah I know that this is not as easy as it looks (it never is) but You could at lest take it under consideration (if You haven't already) because I am sure that this is not impossible. 3 - Planet Interaction - still very simple but with many great possibilities. Good luck with this project! 4 - New Scorpion Model - EPIC :D Overall a very nice expansion, not the best but sill! Keep up the good work! Whine offtop: why oh god why the Fanfest is being held in one of the most expensive cities in the world! I wanted to go but after calculating its cost my enthusiasm vanished. (500-800ISK for one beer?! OH COMEONE! I am sure this this is against some convention/international law or sumthin, it has to be!!)
Azgard Majik Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:11:00 - [212] Cheers for fixing the Domi and love the sun graphics. Insurance is now a waste of time though. On the whole good job.
SilverTrav	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:31:00 - [213] My character portrait on eve-gate is way off, didn't like the default privacy settings either.
Mad Yojik	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:32:00 - [214] In my opinion the expansion is very good. Totally new feature (PI) - simple,but with great potenial, there is much room for improvement. +2 Insurances and ore market changes - not sure, takes time to see the results. But with insurance nerf its already good to see the anger and tears of gate campers/pure PvP people who used to gate camp "for their own pleasure", just blindly attaking everyone who jumps, by model "even if I dont get any profit pirating - i got 100% insurance cover". Hopefully this should teach them to act like REAL pirates, not just killer maniacs most (not all) of them are now. Choose your targets wiser, pirate boyz, if you get popped - there is little refund for you +1 Eve gate - also good thing imo, though I'd like to be able to actually change the skills I train from it. +1 New models and suns - i care little for the stuff... On the bad side - The contact list - 5 standing tags is really not enough... Also I dont like the right align of distance. -1 Anyway keep up the good work CCP. And all the whiners - IMO there is nothing for you "pew-pew guys" in that addon, cept the Scorpion model. Truly. I'm 90% carebear, so I'm happy
Kentares Kodiak	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:45:00 - [215] Another one that has the wrong pic in Eve Gate. All the other stuff is working fine for me (which makes me an happy costumer).
Captain Cando Gallente First Flying Wing Inc	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:46:00 - [216] I like the new calendar. Can you add the ability to make entries recurring? I think that is a needed feature but looks like it was overlooked. When will we see the new Alliance logos added in game? There are lots of Alliances that were hoping to get their logos in game this patch and none were added still again. Why is that so difficult CCP???????
Chiselhead	Posted - 2010.05.27 13:52:00 - [217] Although I do have some intrest in PI, and I'm hopeing for the best on this. But I do have one issue with the new patch. The people and places didn't get enough attention. You left out our abbility to make folders and place players in them. To some of us this was and has been an important function and I personally would like to it return as soon as possible. Thank you all for your hard work.
dgastuffz Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.05.27 14:41:00 - [218] worst expansion ever in my opinion
Br0kenmachine	Posted - 2010.05.27 14:56:00 - [219] The new corp logos look terrible Changing angles on some of the symbols were bad, especially corps with the silhouette motifs Would have been cool to offer a choice to use the new logos or the old. (maybe T2 logo's for corps with X-factors (skills, members)) Bottom line, the new logos look terrible
Grozen Caldari Titan Core	Posted - 2010.05.27 14:57:00 - [220] It makes the game so much more interesting for me thanks for the expansion ccp much love<3 knowledge is power
Kai Veritas	Posted - 2010.05.27 14:59:00 - [221] Eve is not just complex, it is increadably frustrating. Complex I can live with as I cannot do everything at once. New skills allow expanded actions within the game. Tyrannis is a case in point. Many links to blogs and such like. No link I have been able to find on what skills will be needed to interact with planets, that different types of worlds need different types of bases, how bases will be installed, how scanning is accomplished and what equipment is needed, etc. I have been able to piece together at least some of the skills by going through the skills for sale and trying to find what is new that might apply. This is slow, probably incomplete and totaly unnecessary. What is even more frustrating is suspecting there may already Be directions but they are hidden away. It should be obvious new content requires at least simple instructions. In this case players need to prepare for the rest of the release. Oh, and give us the date & time in GMT somewhere and add to your hints. Complex is fine; frustration is not.
Mael Sechnaill	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:09:00 - [222] Like the new login screen, that red hue was really making me nervous. I like the trailer. Like the new Scorpion model. Like the fact that things can be done to planets. Overall, I have a good impression.
Synthmilk Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:13:00 - [223] Originally by: Kai Veritas Tyrannis is a case in point. Many links to blogs and such like. No link I have been able to find on what skills will be needed to interact with planets, that different types of worlds need different types of bases, how bases will be installed, how scanning is accomplished and what equipment is needed, etc. Try This webpage.
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:14:00 - [224] well and how can you get a base and use it no offers on the market a tutorial or some explaining might help so far i bought the 2 skills and what now ??? i cant buy a base and how the work and where i can use them no nothing
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:16:00 - [225] limiting individual players to 300 contacts is bad bad thing. i for instance had my contacts list truncated in the E's over that. how am i to keep track of who the villains are if i'm limited to 300 contacts??? must i fall back into the everyone is a villain meme again?
Khestohr Vaine	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:44:00 - [226] Played around a bit with looking at planets and scanning them. Would it be possible to change the graphic of the planet a bit or at least remove the dynamic light coming from the sun? On a good portion of the planets, I can barely see the scan information because it's washed out by the sunlight. On some you can look at the shaded section of planet on the lower right side. On the one plasma planet I looked at, I couldn't see anything. The color changed slightly as the scans finished but it was impossible to actually see where you would want to build stuff.
Latex Underwear	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:47:00 - [227] The Tarnis splash-screen music is very, very close to the Lothlorian march from the LoTR movies. You may want to ensure that it isn't legally too close.
Der Frog	Posted - 2010.05.27 15:59:00 - [228] Used to be a corp diplo. Thanks for screwing up my address book... =(
Len Ross	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:14:00 - [229] My block list has gone, thanks I'll have to block the ******s again. I hate facebook, I want no part in eve's facebook. My whole game was based around livestock trade. Why change the attribute to 1.5 from 1? That has screwed my trade I spent 1 month setting up. I will not be renewing my subscription.
DANNE0	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:16:00 - [230] This IS the worst expansion ever, one step forward 4 steps back. Whoever came up with the idea for the new contacts/standings chaos needs to be fired right now. They also need to be chased to the volcano currently on the verge of erupting in iceland and forced to live on its peak for 1yr and then finaly after this year aloud to return to normal life after an appology and heavy beating using sticks with rusty nails in. the complete lack of content is amazing, so far i like a calender and the scorp model. I have an absolute HATE and contempt for the new buddy list, the rest is "meh" or not even out yet. I like many others i want ccp to take an expansion OFF! and instead spend that time fixing the ever increasing list of bugs and imbalences. P.S this is not ALL ccp's fault, what the hell is this interstellar council bunch of t*ats thinking allowing this crap to pass in the first place. there supposed to come up with ideas and guidance for ccp from a players point of view
Cividan Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:19:00 - [231] Quote: It is no longer possible to access Corporate Hangar Arrays and Mobile Laboratories while the structure or the control tower is anchored or onlining. Only when it is online. That's a lame last minute feature, if you want to keep that at least give us the option to name silo and corporate hangar array...
Blue Harrier Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:20:00 - [232] Originally by: Khestohr Vaine Played around a bit with looking at planets and scanning them. Would it be possible to change the graphic of the planet a bit or at least remove the dynamic light coming from the sun? On a good portion of the planets, I can barely see the scan information because it's washed out by the sunlight. On some you can look at the shaded section of planet on the lower right side. On the one plasma planet I looked at, I couldn't see anything. The color changed slightly as the scans finished but it was impossible to actually see where you would want to build stuff. Under the pretty coloured graphic bar of the scanner are two small white triangles, if you click and hold you can slide them towards each other and move the whole bar if required. Sliding the right triangle towards the left changes the colour spectrum making it easier to see hot spots (white is hot). Sliding the left triangle towards the right changes the lower level of the resource you are looking for. Hope that helps, regards BH.
Capt Wulfrunian	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:34:00 - [233] worst expansion ever in my opinion signed o/ lol i mean what expansion a new start up screen 2 skill books that have no use yet great job CCP yawn iam bored lol
Nomad IV	Posted - 2010.05.27 16:58:00 - [234] Jita (Jump in prohibited) On my way to Jita I was happy because those traffic message are gone, but at the gate to Jita I got a new one: Jump prohibited. The sense for humor in CCP is disgusting. The upper limit for jumpin is about only 1000 player. On normal days this to low. It's a joke. CCP change that immediately
Morar Santee	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:13:00 - [235] Contact list. It's been mentioned at least a dozen times in this thread by now, but the contact list changes have to be reverted. Without the ability to create custom folders, the contact list is entirely and altogether useless. There is no option to separate war targets from different corporations/alliances anymore, so what we're ending up with is a generic list of names. If I want a generic list of names, I will buy this. It's even sorted alphabetically, so it is precisely as useful as the current version of the contact list.
Trisdon	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:13:00 - [236] Insurance is now a waste of time. It's been said several times but needs repeating. The big issue on my mind is am I the only one that thinks we got completely screwed with the new loot drops? A large portion of my income was selling loot drops from lv4 mission NPC battleships, now we get 1 metal scrap? (did some lv4 guristas missions, either got nothing or 1 scrap) There goes that source of income. In the circle of life they called this a "secondary Income" that will get equalized by the changes they are trying to make in ore values, how is 1 srapmetal going to counteract the 200k-2mil I used to get from battleship loot drops? A slap in the face CCP. Just don't have them drop anything if that's how you want to play it, I'd rather not waste a bunch of time flying to a far out wreck only to find 1 scrap, just have it drop nothing and then at least I know it's not worth my time. Or better yet, give us our loot back.
AterraX Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:17:00 - [237] No problems so far, smooth patching, cleared cache, works likes a charm now. I do gettet better/more sounds though so that is a bonus. First mission, loot looked normal only 3 x Scrap Metal amongst the dropped items,...made the same as ussual from loot/salvage...good job CCP ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fact of EVE forums: They will always come an anounomys alt-toon and question someones character...
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:18:00 - [238] Originally by: Nomad IV Jita (Jump in prohibited) On my way to Jita I was happy because those traffic message are gone, but at the gate to Jita I got a new one: Jump prohibited. The sense for humor in CCP is disgusting. The upper limit for jumpin is about only 1000 player. On normal days this to low. It's a joke. CCP change that immediately at the rate they do things expect to wait 72 hours maybe then they will do something at there rate they done things this month that would be fast
TigerStripes2112 Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:38:00 - [239] I noticed that the overview distances to objects does not update. Refreshing the overview corrects this but is a pain in the butt!
Hoshikami	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:43:00 - [240] While I love the update so far, can you please bring back the widescreen option? Pretty please? I loved the cinimatic view it gave me while I played, and now all my boxes are in the way of my view... Other than that, great update, keep up the fantastic work.
wotwentwong House of Rahl	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:56:00 - [241] I didn't notice the mention of this little stealth isk-sink in the patch notes... Quote: Changing your corporations logo will cost the corporation 100 ISK. Do you wish to authorize this transaction? I want my free corp logo changes back.
Maxwell Muhilo	Posted - 2010.05.27 17:57:00 - [242] Originally by: Kai Veritas Eve is not just complex, it is increadably frustrating. Complex I can live with as I cannot do everything at once. New skills allow expanded actions within the game. Tyrannis is a case in point. Many links to blogs and such like. No link I have been able to find on what skills will be needed to interact with planets, that different types of worlds need different types of bases, how bases will be installed, how scanning is accomplished and what equipment is needed, etc. I have been able to piece together at least some of the skills by going through the skills for sale and trying to find what is new that might apply. This is slow, probably incomplete and totaly unnecessary. What is even more frustrating is suspecting there may already Be directions but they are hidden away. It should be obvious new content requires at least simple instructions. In this case players need to prepare for the rest of the release. Oh, and give us the date & time in GMT somewhere and add to your hints. Complex is fine; frustration is not. if you havent been able to find a list of the new skills you aren't looking hard enough, i kept coming across them on accident, and i think they were even listed in the patch notes, if you would bother to actually read... i've liked everything i've seen so far...except for the suns, i thought it was my graphics card sucking, but apparently its not just that. and one small request, can you include a "calender settings" button, i would like to make my week start on sunday instead of monday
Android Destructoid	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:26:00 - [243] why cant I create my own folders for the contacts? I used to be able to do that. If it is a move that is meant to force players into evegate thing then it is a bad move.
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:37:00 - [244] Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 27/05/2010 18:37:45 Originally by: Capt Wulfrunian worst expansion ever in my opinion signed o/ lol i mean what expansion a new start up screen 2 skill books that have no use yet great job CCP yawn iam bored lol Your signature isnt worth much if you didnt even look so far as to see the number of skill books added :lol: There are more than 2. Have you even read the patch notes and seen all of the fixes and changes? This expansion is a baby step towards much greater goals for EVE and EVE players. Some of you folks need to stop station camping and explore the game more. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.27 18:53:00 - [245] Edited by: David Grogan on 27/05/2010 18:53:23 Originally by: Amun Khonsu Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 27/05/2010 18:37:45 Originally by: Capt Wulfrunian worst expansion ever in my opinion signed o/ lol i mean what expansion a new start up screen 2 skill books that have no use yet great job CCP yawn iam bored lol Your signature isnt worth much if you didnt even look so far as to see the number of skill books added :lol: There are more than 2. Have you even read the patch notes and seen all of the fixes and changes? This expansion is a baby step towards much greater goals for EVE and EVE players. Some of you folks need to stop station camping and explore the game more. as i see it we got 5 skill books (planet related) Pos Bpo's Pos Mod Bpo's Pos Construction Compontents Bpo's A new Scorpion model A useless insurence system that means now t1 ships as well as t2 ships arent worth insuring either. A social networking site that is set open to all by default (potential security risk). A broken contact system (old one was fine). SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
Arkady Sadik Minmatar Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:10:00 - [246] Thank you for the expansion! Some comments and wishlist items: More than 300 entries in the personal contacts list, please. People with high sec wars really need this, as we have no "fixed assets" usually that we can assault, we need to find targets - having them in the watch list is important. The EVE Gate contacts lists should also show the alliance of the pilots, not just the corp. The EVE Gate chatter should also include an "Alliance Chatter" option in addition to "contacts" and "corporation." Also, there should be an "all chatter" option, which combines contacts, corp and alliance. When a comment is added to a chatter entry, that entry should show at the top of the list, or there should at least be a notification that there is a new comment. Currently, you have to browse all chatter by hand to see if there is something new. It would be nice if I could browse a list of people whose chatter I could read if I added them to my contacts list. When viewing character profiles, it would be nice to see and edit th "notes" tab you have in-game. In the character sheet, it would be nice if the "Clone Grade" would display the max SP it can hold. The EVE Gate calendar should allow accepting, declining, etc. of events. Currently, this seems only possible via the game client. In the EVE Gate calendar, "See all upcoming events" doesn't list events a few days in the future (2 months in this case); it should list all future events. When entering a "new event" while viewing a month that is not the current one, you are redirected back to the current month on event creation. It should either keep the month you were viewing, or show the month of the event you created.
Nikolae Varius Amarr Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:37:00 - [247] Upon the implementation of the Tyrannis patch myself and numerous capsulers have become acutely alarmed over the new desigination of lvl 5 missions. Under dominion and before, lvl 5's were a staple for thousands of capsulers for their intrensic and monetary reward. Under the revised conditions presented by the agents and perilous nature of the systems lvl 5 missions are essentially unattainable by the ordinary capsuler. I admently believe the concept of expansions was to enrich and empower the capsuler ,not to relegate his fortune to the ruthlessness and despotism of low sec alliances. Due to the contraints of the tyrannis patch, the feasibility of doing lvl 5 missions in suitable and reasonable environment is no longer available. The consequences of condoning this system will resonate quickly to undermine the balance and richness of eve. Allowing the mechanic responsible for this calamity deprive scores of pilot's the satisfaction of participating in a experience that thousands of players aspire to retain. As an avid missioner and humble patron of eve i implore the powers at be to repeal this repressive system and allow the pilot to appreciate one of the most endearing aspects of this game. Sincerely, nikolae 06' SAVE LVL 5's from CCP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Crewsock	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:50:00 - [248] Edited by: Crewsock on 27/05/2010 19:55:36 Thank you CCP for the updated Scorpion class ship model. I hope to see many more Ship model updates and a UI revamp in the near future. As for the other changes that do not directly affect my game play/interests, I am happy that they have not added any additional lag that I have noticed. Overall server experiences are good. Please keep improving our current content, and again, big thanks from me. P.S. I think it's wonderful that you unlocked the API immediately after the update instead of placing the usual 24 hour lock on API access.
Lyra Blazing	Posted - 2010.05.27 19:52:00 - [249] There was an expansion ? I only see nerfs.
Governor Arnie	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:08:00 - [250] What's with the 1000 player limit in jita, and is it going to get lifted? Does this mean CCP is actually adding another server or more bandwidth to the Jita servers?
Tomac Hawloid	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:14:00 - [251] Edited by: Tomac Hawloid on 27/05/2010 20:15:54 planetary interaction is great. Scorpion is sexxxyyyy... Lvl 4's minus enemies abound have all been paying me crap. (loot is horrific if this was to stop mineral problems perhaps just lower reprocessing efficiency and have it only be a last ditch solution to making isk off an item.... but have the original build cost and price of the item stay the same (though obviously reducing the efficiency of reprocessing modules to 50% would raise prices on items.... there for the mods would sell better for us mission runners and miners will again serve as a majority source of minerals) but i after doing a few lvl 4's and only making 10 mil average?????!?!?!? i would have to say this is very sad.... would be better to blitz them and not loot them seemingly?.... but what do i know.. o and perhaps just move lvl 5's into high sec? would conteract the grumpy missioners? and surely most of the ones complaining about these changes would be more than happy with the lvl 5's... but as of now lvl fives our for mean old pirates :( ))))) this is mostly a ramble and a sad cry to add more whine to this thread.... because it needs alot more to see action :(.... o and insurance thing is cool with me, i never bought it before when i played and since i have returned i have purchased insurance on all my ships obviously..... but it made pvp meaningless if we flew t1 bs's or bc's / w/e. So to me this is good... no more noob suicide attacks from pirates... and our actions in eve have always had consequences... "if you can't afford to lose it don't fly it!!!" or feel sad emo rage is part of evve to me haha... separates it from other easy and forgiving mmo's.... i love that that is back so no complaints..... just please please do something with missions... i'm dying to make some money, seeing as i use a mission alt to make money for my mains pvp escapades
Calineczka OdZapalek	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:15:00 - [252] Its worst idea ever to force capsulers to do missions in low sec, pve fits can't stand a chance with pvp fits and new system promote low sec systems for every level agents! Please change it at last to random system from this constellation range or random system from next constellation range. For me its 2nd whole day of not doing anything because all my missions spawn in low sec dunno about other planers but i'm seriously considering canceling subscription of my 4 accounts.
Roth Lord	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:17:00 - [253] HATE! The insurance change. All people with insurance BEFORE Tyrannis should be compensated. Then all insurance bought AFTER Tyrannis should take the new effects.
Nikolae Varius Amarr Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:20:00 - [254] Caline, i share your concern's with the new mission mechanic's and personally hope for the their swift abolishment.
BoBoZoBo Foundation Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:22:00 - [255] STARS - SYSTEM SUNS They look much better, but seems a bit undercooked: The warp in is too polar. You dont get a sense of the size like you do with planets, maybe it just needs to be bigger. Also it may be it a bit too realistic in the sense that its just a white ball. Get the flares to edge in some nice colors. Get in some solar spots, a little bit of texture. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:25:00 - [256] The planet scanning is a bit faint. The different coloured bands representing the materials are barely visible on some planets. Is there any way to improve their visibility? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Ruairi Maguidhir	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:30:00 - [257] Originally by: AterraX Originally by: kwix So I know there is supposed to be the new spacebook/evegate thing... So here's an issue for you CCP... Why is it that I can't find a link or where to go to access Eve Gate. I've read the dev blog, looked on the home page, and been clicking around for 5 minutes and I can't even figure out where the darn portal to eve gate is? Should you be adding it to the navigation or link on the main entry page? I typed in evegate.com in my browser...it redirected me to: https://gate.eveonline.com/ It ain't rocketscience yeah it ain't rocket science but: A: You got lucky B: I agree with the OP completely, it was the same as my pet peeve, which is where exactly in all the EVE literature and EVEolopedia etc. does it tell you what faction standings you need to set up POS? I think the point of the OP was a LOT of KEY details do not exist at EVE Online and the URL for EVE Gate was just the latest
VeryNice	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:36:00 - [258] Face book is lousy so you create a even worse version of it with no real use to eve,the conent is lousy you made the acorpion look different big deal maybe give it a nuet or vamp bounus since it is a scorpion so I can use it other then ew. Worst patch ever as far as content. Way to seed the market so evrey one has level 4 skills when the command centers come out. No upper hawnd or leverage there oh well there's always the next patch maybe some real pvp ships next time and not a round of pve ships like the faction ones you put in dominion
Tuyook	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:37:00 - [259] noticed a couple new things: undocking does not eject you at velocities over what your ship can manage on its own. for example, hitting the brakes right after undocking in an orca when you appear in space actually works, not 20 seconds later. docking with shield damage will NOT auto repair them. if you undock immediately after, you still have damage. They still heal at the normal shield recovery rate. wonder if that applies to cap as well. I say +10 to ccp on that call. That should make the 0 sec griefer camping NPC stations a much more interesting target, since the whole dock/undock game will go much differently now.
Deja Thoris Invicta. Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:50:00 - [260] The new contacts system is terrible. It took a huge step backwards with how CCP default sorts it now. The rest of the patch is pretty underwhelming too. It's a turd with glitter on it to make it look shiny. One new ship model (lol), PI not introduced fully and a POS bug that has cost players all over New Eden billions of ISK. On the bright side, at least I can still reboot my computer.
Maxwell Muhilo	Posted - 2010.05.27 20:57:00 - [261] also calendar events need to be able to be longer than a day
CptIndustry	Posted - 2010.05.27 21:21:00 - [262] I have to say i absolutely loath the jita cap, i see no reason in it as jita wasn't lagging that bad for me and i spend alot of time there... All you've done now is made a great camping ground for suicide bombers.... What about the blockade runner pilots that ferry in expensive goods to jita, we're to be decloaked at the gate now, just to be told that jita is congested.... giving suicide bombers plenty of time to target and kill us.....Are you going to replace our losses? Because the whole insurance "nerf" sure as hell isn't going to keep people from suicide ganking... hell its already going on... i got cargo scanned in a damn shuttle! i'll sure as hell get scanned in a prowler... TAKE THE CAP OFF ... its just not needed and causes more problems then solves
Kaian Voskhod	Posted - 2010.05.27 21:49:00 - [263] Dception with the mission loot nerf. Instead of juicy large guns at 500 000 isks we now have ... scrap metal.
SgtRaider	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:01:00 - [264] Well I was lucky enough to have no problems loading the update this time around, probably due to Windows 7 vs XP Home. The Scorpion looks great, cant wait for the future ship changes, my CNR doesnt look so great next to the Scorp anymore. So far so good CCP. Thanks
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:02:00 - [265] New contacts lists: 3 things - Can we get a Watchlist for corp and alliance contacts? Otherwise it defeats the object - to get online status of contacts, you have to add them all to your own list anyway. Can we have our groups back? Or at least some way to sort into corps/alliances automatically (this would actually be preferable)? As it is, the functionality is less useful than it used to be! Can we get a way to filter pilots vs corps/alliances? Its not very convenient to have a list of pilots with corps scattered throughout, and vice versa. Then we would have something approximating the system we were all expecting! Thanks! ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Valhallas New Eden Robotics	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:08:00 - [266] I would like to thank CCP for the work they have done on the game engine. 2 windowed clients now runs silky smooth on my ATI 46xx series card. Moved all the graphic settings up to high as well and still getting 60FPS on both clients. There are countless posts about 'forget the new features, please just fix the existing bugs' , well they did it for me. Like the insurance changes as well. Any one moaning about that is a big baby, if you can't take the pain of your losses then frak off any play super mario or the like. Loot table chages are good as well, I for one have milked the T1 large size module drop reprocessing bonanza for many years, and by all accounts it was dominating mineral prices. PI looks like a good feature, but its not what people were really interested in or wanted. IDEA for the next content patch!! - CCP gives us a list of possible content additions AND WE ALL GET TO VOTE ON IT
Selar Nox Gallente Delta Division	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:09:00 - [267] I also don't like the new sun effect. The pre-Tyrannis stars looked far more realistic and cool to me. I liked sitting in the 'plasma' like someone before described it. But now the suns look far more cold, cheap and boring. If you don't want to roll back the changes for the suns, a option to choose between both effects would be cool. For the rest of Tyrannis I am quite happy with it :) Thanks.
Kurogauna	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:20:00 - [268] Edited by: Kurogauna on 27/05/2010 22:21:49 - CCP forgot to add juicy tags in remplacement of loot nerf. We only have scrap metal. - New insurance that need a couple of day to adjust. - Sun is meh - Now scorp is awesome but i dont fly it. - PI, well, i really DON'T CARE. - EVE facebook, i don't use facebook, the same with evegate. I don't care. So the only thing i notice is the heavy loot nerf. But i forgive this if it works to revitalize mining. And the insurance system that is not operational yet.
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:27:00 - [269] Edited by: Marchocias on 27/05/2010 22:27:14 It is no longer possible to access Corporate Hangar Arrays and Mobile Laboratories while the structure or the control tower is anchored or onlining. Only when it is online. But why? That used to be really convenient. Once. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it).
Cpt Dakka	Posted - 2010.05.27 22:41:00 - [270] I eagerly await each new installment of eveonline to contribe to the expansive universe. I will be much more surreptitious when anticipating improvements in the future. I was immediately troubled to discover lvl 5 missions are no longer avaible in places where they use to be relatively abundant. This is a problem that aflicts me deeply and contracdicts the purpose of developing the game if it alienate the lifestyle's of a large constituent of players. I beseech the developers to reevaluate their aims in appropriateing missions to be more consciencious of lvl 5 missioners. thankyou, mr roids
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:00:00 - [271] It would be helpful if the Planetology and Adv Planetology skills actually described what they do.
Some Advisor	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:06:00 - [272] Originally by: Slider Bayne LOL I had a friend who macro mined and he's all bummed because they took away a setting and now his macro don't work no more. "had a friend" past tense. and the patch isnt that old so is "your friend" still ****ed or did you get a new macro programm aehh.. did he get a new macro programm? --- Donations, thankyou / hatemails always welcome :P if you want to "ragequit" or take a longer break: "can i have your stuff" ? :P i also like BPOs of any kind with the promise you get it back :)
Neanderman	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:14:00 - [273] Is anything going to be done for trial players that got shorted a full day on there trials due to the extended downtime and subsequent added downtime for hot fixing? .. I lent items to a friend I was trying to get into the game and can't get them back now due to the lost play time. I think that giving a day back to the trials that where active at the dome of the update would be a fair thing to do.
PeHD0M	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:23:00 - [274] Sorry about my mostly negative feedback, but... i don't like: - new adressbook with standings inside without any folders (seriously, it sucks) - the new suns (very poor) - new planets distribution (3-4 earth-like in 1 system) - planets still without clouds mostly. - agents give missions some X jumps away- more time sink. - npc loot nerf - right alligning of distance in overview i like: - increased perfomance (fps) - scorp model - dominix animation fixed
Brejic	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:45:00 - [275] idk if this is related to the patch but I could not find a single anom in many many level 5 infrastructure systems idk if I missed it in the patch notes or this was something that was not seen but I do miss doing anoms. Other then that I am super excited to start building up stuff on planets. Also nice job putting the time and effort into coming up with a way to bring the price of minerals back up
Gentle1	Posted - 2010.05.27 23:58:00 - [276] now I don't know if it already has been mentioned , since I didn't read all 10 pages , but what I have to say really pi**es me off as a mission runner is that my income has been cut in half , since the loot in most missions has been dramaticly reduced in value. Missions sutch as "damsel in distress" Gone berserk" etc. were good missions wwith a large income margin , now allmost all Large weapons have been removed from loot decreasing my income in missions like I mentioned by aprox 5 million per mission. I would hope that this gets changed back to previous settingsw as I don't have that mutch time and do to loot thieves this drasticly reduces game income. Thanks for taking this into consideration in advance , I bet manny more will come , if they haven't come before me somewere in this post already.
JulianPhoenix	Posted - 2010.05.28 00:10:00 - [277] Is there any way to change the window color? I liked the black better, I'm sorry, the blue teal is just not working for me.
kinky ho	Posted - 2010.05.28 00:17:00 - [278] why did you break wide screne, i see no real benifits of removing it and now the aspect rations and perspective are all slightly....well.. off i guess, pelase bring back wide screne
MWDrive	Posted - 2010.05.28 00:33:00 - [279] I won't discuss whether nerfing insurance for t1 ships is good or not. But there is one think that needs to change in that system. When your ship blows up you should be getting payout that was agreed when you purchased insurance. That kinda makes sense, it doesn't make sense that I pay insurance 60M for BS, then patch hits and I get 110M payout. Same goes for future insurance balancing. No one wants to be thinking 'should I insure my ship, balancing hits in 3 days'. Other than that, some small bugs and glitches, same as usual. People overreacting, same as usual. Haven't done any anomalies yet, so can't comment much on new loot drops. But to people saying your mission profit is cut to half, think again. Even if salvaging was worth it before the patch (and a lot of people claim it wasn't), profit from blitzing was realy close. Now, you can just blitz missions and you'll be earning tiny bit less. Btw, sun looks terrible.
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.05.28 00:43:00 - [280] Nice new rattlesnake model, that nobody will ever use again.
Bandit Doggy	Posted - 2010.05.28 03:02:00 - [281] I have a major beef about this latest patch. Our corp took the time to set our high sec research pos up at a very scenic loacation. We log on, go to our pos and our beautiful planet earth like planet is now a big ugly plain white gas planet. What was the point in changing out our planets like that?
Crimson11 Targeted Logistics and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.05.28 03:20:00 - [282] Biggest issue I have had with the patch has been with the overview not updating. For example, I will be ratting in a belt, the rats will be 60km away when I warp in. 5 minutes later, still at 60km, but if you double click on the default tab, it will update the ranges on them. Makes pvp interesting though... Crimson
Leroux Atak Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.28 03:50:00 - [283] As opposed to most criticism I've seen here (and don't worry I could also dish plenty of sht ) I would like to say something else, while trying to be constructive. I'll start with the worst: This is a feedback thread, with plenty of questions hanging around unanswered, and we only had a SINGLE response from CCP. And it was to tell us that: Quote: https://gate.eveonline.com/ is the official URL of EVE Gate. Hey thanks a bunch. I mean, is really THAT long to take 10 minutes and shoot a few direct answers to what has been going on ? If they ARE reading the thread, I consider it quite rude from them to just sit back and don't even deign say something. For a company who is incredibly player-feedback focused, you are incredibly NOT player focused. And since we don't have answers we keep on complaining. Moving on ! Eve Gate: It has potential and you had the brains to put "BETA" on it to explain the bugs and lack of usability. I don't think many players will ever use the broadcast feature unless it is linked in-game or something. But it was worth a shot, even if I think you just ripped the concept from facebook/twitter and every damn social website out there which was a really stupid idea. But who knows, you might know better than all of us. Portraits are bugged but I'm sure its just a mixup from the string you store the portraits/logo in, thus easily fixable. Other than that I think the privacy settings are too vague, don't do like facebook and screw with user's privacy. Planetary Interaction: Copy-Pasted from the patch notes Quote: The planets of EVE and their resources are now yours to use Quote: Planetary Infrastructure can be built using Command Centers, Extractors, Processors, Storage Facilities and Spaceports. These are all connected using Links. Quote: Planetary commodities and products can be imported to and exported from a planet using the Customs office, connected to all spaceports built on a planet. We can play with planets now, great huh ? Except we can't. But this is weird, you started making an expansion in which we could use planets. You delayed that, understandable. Then patch hits and we can't do stuff that even your patch notes said. This leads me to wondering: why even release it ? Sure, you will seed Command Centers starting at the 8th of June but since that was the basis of the patch why not just put them in when it lands ? I have pursued the thought process and came to a number of conclusions: you want to leave us time to train skills and learn about planets so no one screws that. Or you might have encountered bugs but you already delayed the patch once. Maybe even you wanted to give us time to scan for planets. Either way, why not simply tell us ? One message, somewhere by a mod. Can't take more than 1 minute to post and about 15 minutes to decide the impact of this "leak". New Scorpion skin : Ok great. Address book: I don't even use it but I'm forced to take the side of those who want to make folders. I mean, did you guys take time to think this through ? It must've been a wicked thought process that gave birth to such an idea. I promise we won't think you are dumbasses if you roll back those changes. Its NOT a production's mistake to take a bad idea that was once good, back into a good feature. Calendar: Sounds useful, too bad its limited. No no no no, please don't go make it bigger and bigger. Fix our bugs first, I think we can all agree the calendar can wait. Thats all I had to say, may the angry mob of players looking to bash another person spare my head, I rather like it.
Yakshamash Amarr Royal Assassins Guild Imperial Crimson Legion	Posted - 2010.05.28 03:55:00 - [284] I have had it with reading forums for this game. Between patch day, and this thread, I have seen 90% whining, if you don't like the game, play something else, don't make it everybody else's problem... and by that I mean the alsers Im getting from realizing whats happening to the world.... -RAG- Who should you contact in-game...? This guy...
Zoltar Torzoid Gallente Swag Co. Sandbox Bullies	Posted - 2010.05.28 04:01:00 - [285] Edited by: Zoltar Torzoid on 28/05/2010 04:01:56 Just so I got all this straight. WE got a website, a scorpion model, 5 skills, and some higher res corp logos, and it's an expansion? Also, how you guys managed to take an outdated corp logo system that was capable of just over 1 billion different possible variations, upgrade their graphics, and make them suck MORE than before, I'll never know. You guys take classes in backpedaling? This hit epic on the fail-o-meter. __________________ SWAG Co. We Build The Stuff You Steal! -Zoltar CEO
Steak Burrito	Posted - 2010.05.28 04:11:00 - [286] My people & places window grew...It is !@#$%^ HUGE ! How can see anything in space with this beast of a window taking up half the height of my monitor ?!?! Please, please, please return it to normal
Anonymous Lemming	Posted - 2010.05.28 04:30:00 - [287] You find Tyrannis, and discard it as useless.
Zwolf K'romg	Posted - 2010.05.28 06:36:00 - [288] Say, I wondered - knowing that EVE is heavily 'pvp' are my planetary bases vulnerable to either destruction, or capture? or is it just that other players 'could' build a colony next to mine, and deplete the resources? The resource stealing thing I can live with... investing tons of time and isk into building up a colony, only to have it captured or destroyed... no thanks. I appreciate any response. -out.
Duke Hamilton1	Posted - 2010.05.28 06:49:00 - [289] Right then here goes. I've been playing this game for 11 weeks now and was introduced by a group of guys from Evony. Trained my learning got into a rifter and started doing level 4 missions with the vets. It now seems that missions are worthless, all the players which I mission with are pretty pist off as its our main source of income to survive and build with until we train enough relevant skills for other careers. With this 60-70% reduction in looting which I think is a seriously flawed mistake are we now being forced into PVP combat and Planet Interaction, do we have to spend $70 a fortnight night on plex just to get our iskies up to where it would be without the changes. A lot of people relied on Mission running especially the noobs and now I wonder how you plan on attracting new players and keeping them when the only real revenue source for the noobs has been taken away. As a noob I'm pretty pist off that this has happened and all I do now is watch the skill que waiting to fly my first T2 ship so I have a chance at some kind of PVP.
Licinius CrassusFilius Amarr Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.05.28 07:12:00 - [290] 10 pages is too long to check if this had been posted, but the ice planets are too 'bright'. If I scan the planet, I cannot see the resource distribution the white planet overwhelms the scan results. The distribution is there, but can't be seen. No problems on other planets (although the light green does tender to get lost on the gas and temperate planets).
Svarty II Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.28 07:44:00 - [291] So the choice is to wait for the tutorial and get a free skillbook or just spend 1.25 and get the skills training for 2 weeks instead? Nice calendar.
Corbeau Lenoir ZER0. IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.28 07:50:00 - [292] Edited by: Corbeau Lenoir on 28/05/2010 07:52:29 I like new patch. I like ability to read/write ingame mail without actually logging into the game. I like calendar, although I don't like this social networking stuff and I think, that default privacy setting should be "No one". New insurance system is fine, even if I would prefer it to be removed entirely. And if lvl5 missions do not spawn in highsec anymore(nothing written about it in patch notes) - it's best patch ever!
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2010.05.28 08:52:00 - [293] Originally by: Tophee Your new suns look crap. Please give us an option to enable the old ones. I second this^^
Dervol	Posted - 2010.05.28 09:09:00 - [294] I find it absolutely okay that Tyrannis is deployed in two parts, so the PI skills can be trained BEFORE the big run on the planets. The calendar is really cool. But there are three major points that are quite bad: 1. as already mentioned here several times: there is no possibility to adapt the contact system with own folders. One can only search by name, but if I want to have a list of all the couriers I've already worked with, I can't. So, there should at least be an attribute to the contacts called "Keywords" or "Category", so you can sort or at least search by category by this attribute. 2. The extreme nerf of the mission loots. That's not balancing that's simply making one branch of EVE worthless to play. 3. The broadcast system should be generally separated into "private" and "corp/Alliance", because I think that there is a lot of interest to communicate with both sides separately.
David Grogan Gallente	Posted - 2010.05.28 09:12:00 - [295] Edited by: David Grogan on 28/05/2010 09:13:01 Originally by: Duke Hamilton1 Right then here goes. I've been playing this game for 11 weeks now and was introduced by a group of guys from Evony. Trained my learning got into a rifter and started doing level 4 missions with the vets. It now seems that missions are worthless, all the players which I mission with are pretty pist off as its our main source of income to survive and build with until we train enough relevant skills for other careers. With this 60-70% reduction in looting which I think is a seriously flawed mistake are we now being forced into PVP combat and Planet Interaction, do we have to spend $70 a fortnight night on plex just to get our iskies up to where it would be without the changes. A lot of people relied on Mission running especially the noobs and now I wonder how you plan on attracting new players and keeping them when the only real revenue source for the noobs has been taken away. As a noob I'm pretty pist off that this has happened and all I do now is watch the skill que waiting to fly my first T2 ship so I have a chance at some kind of PVP. u still get bounties from missions...... u still get meta 1-4 loot and u still get salvage... so what u dont get much meta 0 loot, big deal... mine if u want mins that was the point of the loot nerf. it very easy whine u dont get as much mins but a hulk pilot spent months training up to use it so it should be right that the mins should mostly come from mine ores. SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P
carebear one	Posted - 2010.05.28 10:00:00 - [296] Edited by: carebear one on 28/05/2010 10:05:09 Hey guys ... hm I really dont understand why it is so difficult to understand why PI is deactivated. When you read tha anouncment carefully and also recognize that SiSi is since the patchday constantly occupied by developers/bug-hunters it is so obvious what was/is happening. Planetary Interaction is so heavily bugged that even CCP dont try to release it (even knowing that CCP normaly not have any problem to release known bugs) My guess also this 8th of June is a bogus date ... I bet at this date no Command Center will be seeded Thats all understandable and happens in software development all the time. The real anoying thing about this situation is ... at least a bit honesty from CCP could have been taken place ... right now they handle there customers like they where stupid morones
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.05.28 10:34:00 - [297] Originally by: David Grogan Edited by: David Grogan on 27/05/2010 18:53:23 Originally by: Amun Khonsu Edited by: Amun Khonsu on 27/05/2010 18:37:45 Originally by: Capt Wulfrunian worst expansion ever in my opinion signed o/ lol i mean what expansion a new start up screen 2 skill books that have no use yet great job CCP yawn iam bored lol Your signature isnt worth much if you didnt even look so far as to see the number of skill books added :lol: There are more than 2. Have you even read the patch notes and seen all of the fixes and changes? This expansion is a baby step towards much greater goals for EVE and EVE players. Some of you folks need to stop station camping and explore the game more. as i see it we got 5 skill books (planet related) Pos Bpo's Pos Mod Bpo's Pos Construction Compontents Bpo's A new Scorpion model A useless insurence system that means now t1 ships as well as t2 ships arent worth insuring either. A social networking site that is set open to all by default (potential security risk). A broken contact system (old one was fine). Contact system is not broken. You dont need to add the entire eve universe into your contacts. 300 should do it just fine. You were limited to 300 with Dominion on setting standings anyhow and that fricken old slider they had made it virtually impossible to reset a persons standings back to a perfect 0.0 neutral standing. In fact, as a PvP pilot, I preferred not to have ppl in my contacts because when they logged off or on there was significant lag that put me at risk of being killed or podded. Again, it amounts to people just having to get used to the new system. I think the new contacts (standings) system is much better. Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.28 10:54:00 - [298] Originally by: carebear one Edited by: carebear one on 28/05/2010 10:05:09 Hey guys ... hm I really dont understand why it is so difficult to understand why PI is deactivated. When you read tha anouncment carefully and also recognize that SiSi is since the patchday constantly occupied by developers/bug-hunters it is so obvious what was/is happening. Planetary Interaction is so heavily bugged that even CCP dont try to release it (even knowing that CCP normaly not have any problem to release known bugs) My guess also this 8th of June is a bogus date ... I bet at this date no Command Center will be seeded Thats all understandable and happens in software development all the time. The real anoying thing about this situation is ... at least a bit honesty from CCP could have been taken place ... right now they handle there customers like they where stupid morones Maybe you feel treated like a moron because thats what you are, why dont you read up on the game you are playing instead of coming up with dumb whines and paranoid theories, here I'll help you
Xaryx	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:07:00 - [299] Edited by: Xaryx on 28/05/2010 11:08:16 Thanks for the income nerf for mission runners. Seems like a bludgeoning way of getting people mining again. Seeing as though a hulk pilot can mine more trit in a couple hours than I can from 4 weeks of mission running. Sure it would have been fine if there had of been even a vague effort in this or the last two expansions to give the mission runners some decent lvl 4 missions that are not just designed to destroy standing with a major faction. Even a token increase in bounties would have been nice. Apart from the loot nerf it seems that salvage drops have increased by a reasonable amount. Thats nice. The market for that stuff should tank nicely as well. All in all an expansion that took much much much more than it gave for the mission running fraternity, and gave so much more to those that already had the most. Hows that for your precious balance.
Droog 1	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:11:00 - [300] CCP asking for feed back on an expansion when all they released was some skill books? This has to be the best, delayed, half finished expansion you have ever released. 100% Unimpressive.
Wendelgard Gallente Herrscher der Zeit United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:21:00 - [301] Well, there is an issue the portraits ingame as well in EVE Gate. Thanks
DrivingForce	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:23:00 - [302] Bch Bch Whine Whine why do you lot play the game? I'm glad all the Meta 0 has been removed from PvE loot. Means that the indy side of the game gets a better look in, instead of everyone going for the easy way out to make money Who says that its not expansion? Just because they haven't seeded the command modules. Now if on the 6th June we have to download patches then you would be right in saying that there was something wrong. The way they have done it gives everyone the chance to get the skills ready for the seed date instead of a mad rush to buy skills etc then buying the wrong modules cause you haven't done the home work correctly. If they did it that way I'm sure someone one b**ch about it. Teh only thing I would like see changed on the Calendar is the option to put recurring events in
Polo Ex Empire Assault Corp	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:34:00 - [303] Dunno if somone has mentioned this already, but you guys have screwed up insurance =(
Jaemonyte	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:46:00 - [304] Originally by: Hatchet Deadeyes so all the nice new toys.. so heres whats getting me, after all this time no new ships players can buy. No new frigates/cruisers/BC's/BS etc. Last new one was the Tengu before that the Rokh if i remember right a few nice new ships in each class would have been rather nice. Or at least the option to visually customise your bird ie paint schemes/camo blar blar. Would have been nice to see Ravens with missile launchers shown like turrets instead of apprently firing from teh middle of your hull etc etc, and im sure theres plenty of peeps out there that can fill in the etc etc bit. Yeah i Second that Notion! it would be really nice to have some sort of ship customization paint job etc etc. so we can all have unique and special ships. A few new ships would of been nice too.. The domi still has no afterburner effect or has it been fixed correct me if im wrong? great work so far on the update i know it`s work still in progress so we have to be patient Love EVE by the way.. Oh and for all you haters out there o game is perfect ccp cant please everyone it`s impossible either you love it or you hate it it`s like Marmite!! lol well Done CCP so far so good cant wait till Tyrannis is fully up and running A patient player of EVE 8-)
cBOLTSON Caldari Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.05.28 11:51:00 - [305] Well so far.... so good CCP! THANKYOU for fixing the t3 pos bug! THANKYOU for the increased performance and THANKYOU for that callender, thats pretty swish. This patch hasnt really brought a great lot to me but keep up the good work.
Random Paradox	Posted - 2010.05.28 12:29:00 - [306] Negative feedback for the patch. I do not like the nerfing of the meta 0 loot. I will be looking at other games. I read your dev blog on the reasons, and quite frankly, you could have achieved your goals without needing to nerf one group of players. I get the feeling that you want to force players to one style of play. Specifically, PVP, ninja looting and suicide ganking.
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2010.05.28 13:34:00 - [307] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 28/05/2010 13:40:15 I don't plan to use it, so I don't have this problem as I will keep my 25-length zu'q[N4%iTFr`e-like password ^^, but some people will use it of course, and I hate to see a security blackhole like this one. Well... The problem is : Why did you have chosen to link the login/pass of EVE-Gate, to the ones we use ingame ? The interest of EVE-Gate is to be able to be used everywhere and on any computers, to access some of ours datas, amirite ? So if we want to login, we are motivated to use a small, easy to type and easily memorable password. But naturally, if we do that, we lower the security of the game account too. You already made an error by removing the "Save password" function some years ago, just to please some idiots who forgot to not save it while they are not in their home, because we had so to lower the password complexity (or use a macro to login). Now, it is even worse. It is funny to read that we should "8. Have your password complex." in this linkage, and in the same time, make a easy password mandatory if we want to fastly and efficiently login to an external service. CCP, you HAVE to give us the capacity to have a different password between the game and EVE-Gate, if we want to.
Kanga Jack	Posted - 2010.05.28 13:49:00 - [308] Dear CCP, I cant play Eve any more. Every time I go to warp or go near a jump gate I CTD. I love playing Eve, I play many hour a day. So please make the game playable again. Thank you.
scathion Harm Co.	Posted - 2010.05.28 14:00:00 - [309] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 28/05/2010 13:40:15 CCP, you HAVE to give us the capacity to have a different password between the game and EVE-Gate, if we want to. Now thats a really good idea. id also like to see - the ability to make reccuring events in the calendar - been able to view/add corp bulletins Other than that, damm good job fellas. I always love new patches and esp. patch night as it reassures me my addiction to eve is no where near as bad as some ppl out there ;) [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=scathion][/url]
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.28 15:12:00 - [310] Originally by: Zwolf K'romg Say, I wondered - knowing that EVE is heavily 'pvp' are my planetary bases vulnerable to either destruction, or capture? or is it just that other players 'could' build a colony next to mine, and deplete the resources? The resource stealing thing I can live with... investing tons of time and isk into building up a colony, only to have it captured or destroyed... no thanks. I appreciate any response. -out. Here is my feedback: Stuff you deploy on planets is safe from other players attacking it. For now. To deploy planetary stuff in 0.0 you need to belong to the entity that holds sovereignty. Planetary stuff is 'instanced' -- any number of players can land on the same planet, and mine up things at the same plce. There is an option to hide other player's structures. There is some talk of 'depleting' resources, but I don't know if that is implmemented or to what degree it happens (think 40 players putting up 7 extractors on the exact same place....) Eventually, DUST 514 will come --- a first person shooter title that CCP is working on, and supposedly at that time your planetary stuff can then be attacked -- via that side game. No indication about whether high sec stuff will be attackable.
Caz Car'das	Posted - 2010.05.28 15:45:00 - [311] I have to say I am shocked at peoples additude in this post, how rude some of you are being. It's fine to have an opinion but do you really need to be so vicious? Most of you are acting like spoilt little kids Anyway, my opinion is - I love the calandar in game, but it really does need a re-occuring function, I love Eve Gate and have already used it loads out of game to check mails, etc. Don't think the chatter thing will get used but time will tell. I understand the concept of the new contacts system but agree with most in that you still need folders in the address book. I've noticed some significant performance increases and have actually been able to happliy set all graphics properties to full now, whereas I couldnt before without some FPS issues. Can't comment too much on the NPC drop issue people seem to have as I don't mission much, but most people I have chatted to in game are fine with the idea and understand the need to balance things out. Training up on PI skills, done some reading and know which planets I will be going for with my corp when the command centers are seeded. Looking forward to it! Keep up the good work CCP and don't let all the negative winey people get you down, all in all I'd say the expansion has been a success so far.
Badmin	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:08:00 - [312] DEV BLOG: # Three new skills have been added for planet scanning: * ôRemote Sensingö allows a player to scan planets remotely, each skill level increases the distance at which itÆs possible to scan. * ôPlanetologyö increases the accuracy when scanning planets for resources. This is visible in the number of gradient bands displayed on the planet surface when scanning for a resource. * ôAdvanced Planetologyö further increases the accuracy when scanning planets for resources. ACTUALLY PUT INTO THE GAME: Planetology - The understanding of planet evolution and the fundamentals of resource extraction. Advanced Planetology - Advanced understanding of planet evolution and the fundamentals of resource extraction. ------------------ Does something seem wrong here? Between the date the devblog was released and the date that they released it, somehow someone forgot to train "Clarity" to level 1. Please consider fixing the skillbook so it says something meaningful instead of an ambiguous blob of meaningless words. Other than that, Go CCP!
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.05.28 16:51:00 - [313] Originally by: Caz Car'das I have to say I am shocked at peoples additude in this post, how rude some of you are being. It's fine to have an opinion but do you really need to be so vicious? Most of you are acting like spoilt little kids Anyway, my opinion is - I love the calandar in game, but it really does need a re-occuring function, I love Eve Gate and have already used it loads out of game to check mails, etc. Don't think the chatter thing will get used but time will tell. I understand the concept of the new contacts system but agree with most in that you still need folders in the address book. I've noticed some significant performance increases and have actually been able to happliy set all graphics properties to full now, whereas I couldnt before without some FPS issues. Can't comment too much on the NPC drop issue people seem to have as I don't mission much, but most people I have chatted to in game are fine with the idea and understand the need to balance things out. Training up on PI skills, done some reading and know which planets I will be going for with my corp when the command centers are seeded. Looking forward to it! Keep up the good work CCP and don't let all the negative winey people get you down, all in all I'd say the expansion has been a success so far. I want some of what you've been smoking. This 'expansion' is nothing more than a glorified patch, that just broke stuff. Where is the content? Vapor. You have about 5% happy responses, and 95% WTF is this **** responses.
Icee Mehki	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:14:00 - [314] So I love the new Scorpion model, seeing as how I run missions with a CNS. Only trouble is, with lvl 5's in low sec, and even most my lvl 4's in low sec, I don't get a chance to use it anymore, or the rattlesnake I just bought. 12/13 of the lvl 4 missions I checked last night were in low sec. Prior to patch, it was about 1 in 6 were in low sec. I have 2 characters with about 10 mil SP each purely in mission skills and could make about 200 mil isk a day before patch. After it, I have made 1.5 mil TOTAL. I flew from agent to agent with both characters and couldn't get but 1 mission in high sec, and it was drones which are worthless now. The tengu and CNS that I normally run missions are worth 6 bil isk combined and are effectively useless. They have effectively nerfed mission running as a source of income completely. I'm not even complaining about the loot drop nerf... I have only been able to run 1 mission (not for lack of trying) I find incredible that they completely wiped this methode of isk maing all together. And even more so that they did so without mentioning it before hand. Seriously upset with CCP (and that is a first!), up till now I haven't had any problems with them at all. I really hope that they fix this otherwise there is not really anything to keep me playing since I will have to either switch to mining or something else to make any money. Seeing as how much time and energy I invested in setting up the system I had for missioning, it will be really hard to basically start over. I want to get into PvP but not be forced into it!!!
Troy LS	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:47:00 - [315] If this is posted more than once, I apologize. I don't have time to read through 11 pages of comments ... The planetary interaction menu is on the left hand side of the screen and appears as part of the main screen (as apposed to a dialogue window). Besides being inconsistent with the way the rest of the UI is laid out, its also very inconvenient. While in PI mode, I have to unpin and move at least two windows. Its a minor inconvenience, but very annoying nonetheless. Whats more agonizing is when the windows that I just moved begin rearranging themselves when I log back in. It would be nice to see the PI menu incorporated into its own dockable window.
Arvella Kadori Gallente Federal Legion	Posted - 2010.05.28 18:59:00 - [316] My review on Tyrannis: Scorp-Model is nice, PI - well not deployed, My agent's giving me more missions in a 4-system-away-Lowsec - FAIL New Corplogo's Absolute FAIL I have to change my Corplogo to something else to get a nearly accepable Logo... so Fazit: I could live without Tyrannis just with Dominion and the Old Features, but maybe CCP can do a really good Job at the PI-Stuff and I change my view at this expansion... but still: New Corplogo's = fail, EPIC FAIL!!! -.-
Troy LS	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:19:00 - [317] Originally by: Noran Ferah .... You have about 5% happy responses, and 95% WTF is this **** responses. Stop whining. Folks who are happy with the expansion aren't likely to complain in forums. btw, good job with the roll out CCP. Smoothest rollout I've seen yet. I'm anxious to start building planetary bases.
Solarius	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:19:00 - [318] Originally by: Icee Mehki So I love the new Scorpion model, seeing as how I run missions with a CNS. Only trouble is, with lvl 5's in low sec, and even most my lvl 4's in low sec, I don't get a chance to use it anymore, or the rattlesnake I just bought. 12/13 of the lvl 4 missions I checked last night were in low sec. Prior to patch, it was about 1 in 6 were in low sec. I have 2 characters with about 10 mil SP each purely in mission skills and could make about 200 mil isk a day before patch. After it, I have made 1.5 mil TOTAL. I flew from agent to agent with both characters and couldn't get but 1 mission in high sec, and it was drones which are worthless now. The tengu and CNS that I normally run missions are worth 6 bil isk combined and are effectively useless. They have effectively nerfed mission running as a source of income completely. I'm not even complaining about the loot drop nerf... I have only been able to run 1 mission (not for lack of trying) I find incredible that they completely wiped this methode of isk maing all together. And even more so that they did so without mentioning it before hand. Seriously upset with CCP (and that is a first!), up till now I haven't had any problems with them at all. I really hope that they fix this otherwise there is not really anything to keep me playing since I will have to either switch to mining or something else to make any money. Seeing as how much time and energy I invested in setting up the system I had for missioning, it will be really hard to basically start over. I want to get into PvP but not be forced into it!!! I seriously agree with this, Ive been a mission runner for many years now and all I get is low sec mission offers. The load balancing crap is just gonna back fire big style. People running missions in the high sec systems that border low sec areas are now just vacate and move back to the big mission hubs like Auvergne and therefore just put even more stress onto these already packed out systems. You've gone from one extreme to another and need to think of taking a few steps back.
MWDrive	Posted - 2010.05.28 19:22:00 - [319] Originally by: Noran Ferah I want some of what you've been smoking. This 'expansion' is nothing more than a glorified patch, that just broke stuff. Where is the content? Vapor. You have about 5% happy responses, and 95% WTF is this responses. I see you are new here. btw, content is there, you just can't access it.
Drahcir Nasom Independent Manufacturers Independent Manufacturers Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:29:00 - [320] OK, who was the idiot who decided to mess with RAMs? Before, if I was going to put 100 of something in to build, and they used 15% of a RAM each, I only needed to have 15 RAM in the hangar to build them. Now to put 100 in to build, I have to have 100 RAM there even though I am only going to use up 15 of them. Why was this change done apart to make things awkward for us builders? Drahcir
Anonymous Lemming	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:36:00 - [321] Originally by: Badmin DEV BLOG: # Three new skills have been added for planet scanning: * ôRemote Sensingö allows a player to scan planets remotely, each skill level increases the distance at which itÆs possible to scan. * ôPlanetologyö increases the accuracy when scanning planets for resources. This is visible in the number of gradient bands displayed on the planet surface when scanning for a resource. * ôAdvanced Planetologyö further increases the accuracy when scanning planets for resources. ACTUALLY PUT INTO THE GAME: Planetology - The understanding of planet evolution and the fundamentals of resource extraction. Advanced Planetology - Advanced understanding of planet evolution and the fundamentals of resource extraction. ------------------ Does something seem wrong here? Between the date the devblog was released and the date that they released it, somehow someone forgot to train "Clarity" to level 1. Please consider fixing the skillbook so it says something meaningful instead of an ambiguous blob of meaningless words. Other than that, Go CCP! No, We got: Command Center Upgrades Planetology Advanced Planetology and Remote Senseing
Hakaru Ishiwara Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.05.28 20:38:00 - [322] Edited by: Hakaru Ishiwara on 28/05/2010 20:39:36 Ah, the insurance changes. While the tech 1 hull insurance levels aren't terrible, the tech 2 levels still are not incentive enough to shell out the ISK for the insurance contract. I'd rather put the insurance premium into good ammunition and drones for potentially better outcomes on the battlefield. I now have reservations about putting fully rigged tech 2 or meta 3 - 4 fit battleships onto the battlefield, though. Same goes for battlecruisers, to a lesser extent. Not only do I have to manage logistics to get ships and consumables to combat staging areas, but I also have to work harder to replenish the ISK to fund the hardware as well as the insurance premium and ship fittings + consumables. That's a fact for me, my style of play and the amount of time that I have allocated towards PvE activities, currently. Clearly, I need to re-evaluate my style of play.
Badden Powell	Posted - 2010.05.28 21:48:00 - [323] I love what you've done with the Scorpion! Looks so good I want to put it on my shelf
Materia Hunter	Posted - 2010.05.28 22:31:00 - [324] Did L4 LP also get nerfed?
Di Mulle	Posted - 2010.05.28 23:22:00 - [325] Originally by: Duke Hamilton1 Right then here goes. I've been playing this game for 11 weeks now and was introduced by a group of guys from Evony. Trained my learning got into a rifter and started doing level 4 missions with the vets. It now seems that missions are worthless, all the players which I mission with are pretty pist off as its our main source of income to survive and build with until we train enough relevant skills for other careers. With this 60-70% reduction in looting which I think is a seriously flawed mistake are we now being forced into PVP combat and Planet Interaction, do we have to spend $70 a fortnight night on plex just to get our iskies up to where it would be without the changes. A lot of people relied on Mission running especially the noobs and now I wonder how you plan on attracting new players and keeping them when the only real revenue source for the noobs has been taken away. As a noob I'm pretty pist off that this has happened and all I do now is watch the skill que waiting to fly my first T2 ship so I have a chance at some kind of PVP. You either like crying too much, or you are lying about yourself being a noob. Nothings changed in low level missions loot-wise.
Di Mulle	Posted - 2010.05.28 23:27:00 - [326] Originally by: Xaryx Edited by: Xaryx on 28/05/2010 11:08:16 Thanks for the income nerf for mission runners. Seems like a bludgeoning way of getting people mining again. Seeing as though a hulk pilot can mine more trit in a couple hours than I can from 4 weeks of mission running. Sure it would have been fine if there had of been even a vague effort in this or the last two expansions to give the mission runners some decent lvl 4 missions that are not just designed to destroy standing with a major faction. Even a token increase in bounties would have been nice. Apart from the loot nerf it seems that salvage drops have increased by a reasonable amount. Thats nice. The market for that stuff should tank nicely as well. All in all an expansion that took much much much more than it gave for the mission running fraternity, and gave so much more to those that already had the most. Hows that for your precious balance. It is funny how you can understand that increased drop of salvage will tank prices down, but can't understand that tons of heavy loot were tanking mineral prices down in the same way...
Geldar Wroontik Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.28 23:49:00 - [327] Edited by: Geldar Wroontik on 28/05/2010 23:50:31 The planet interface is sexy. I had a blast just flying around scouting planets on patch day, and I'm really looking forward to putting stuff down to mine things. I'm a bit meh on the new contacts screen, but I haven't really put that through its paces so I don't have a full opinion on it. EVE Gate's been OK, but there is one thing I'd like fixed please: when you put in a line break between paragraphs, when you send the message it all squishes up. I'd like line breaks to remain in (EVE mail doesn't have this problem). Also I'd like to be able to make hyperlinks like you can in EVE mail. Otherwise, good job so far CCP thumbs up EDIT: Oh also, the new Scorpion model is amazing. If that's the treatment you're going to give all the ships, I'm definitely looking forward to it. ----- Blasters: enough Ammunition: plenty Bubblegum: none
Morar Santee	Posted - 2010.05.29 00:03:00 - [328] "View in planet mode" On another note - would it be possible to place this button in the "selected item" menu behind show info, as the last option? Having "view in planet mode" right next to the "warp to" button makes no sense whatsoever. I don't see why anyone would want to have it next to a button with tactical relevance, if you can just as well place it where it belongs - in the info section.
Harrigan VonStudly Gallente Isk Relocation Services	Posted - 2010.05.29 00:46:00 - [329] Originally by: Troy LS Originally by: Noran Ferah .... You have about 5% happy responses, and 95% WTF is this **** responses. Stop whining. Folks who are happy with the expansion aren't likely to complain in forums. btw, good job with the roll out CCP. Smoothest rollout I've seen yet. I'm anxious to start building planetary bases. People who are happy don't complain anywhere, let alone on forums. Brilliant post nub.
Mitchell Anderson	Posted - 2010.05.29 04:20:00 - [330] i would like to know what the new blueprints are does anybody know?
Geldar Wroontik Gallente Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.29 07:56:00 - [331] I have two questions regarding command centers: 1) Once we've placed one, will we then be able to remove it down the track, or is it stuck there until the end of time? I remember in the Alpha version on SiSi you couldn't pull one up once you'd put it down. 2) Will it be possible to upgrade one's command center to a higher tier once it's down, or would we have to rip up the old one and put the new one in? (this sort of ties into my first question) ----- Blasters: enough Ammunition: plenty Bubblegum: none
Ban Doga	Posted - 2010.05.29 08:37:00 - [332] When starting an invention job from a corp hangar both the input and output selection defaults to the hangar where the BPC is located. Before Tyrannis the client remembered the last selection of those. That's not only an unneccessary change, that's a huge leap backwards. Instead of reducing the number of mindless and annoying mouse clicks required for invention and manufacturing by preserving the range selection you go and force players into even more repetitive tasks.
Ressiv	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:30:00 - [333] Missions nerfs and the like; that will have to show with time I guess, balance is never easy, and it's hard to predict any results in EVE. WTF where you guys thinking tho when you erased the contact folders ? Maybe finish an upgrade before putting half the framework in place next time ? Now everybody that forgot to make a manual backup of their contact list is in for a free one at the local red light district Also, change the stupid privacy setting in EVE Gate to 'default secure'. If I want someone to see my contact list let me do the thinking and changing please! This is my second patch, downtime and info where ok, it SUCKS tho that pages upon pages of 'please set EVE Gate to secure' have been ignored, as where the people that warned for the contact list issue. At least give some decent feedback on it please
ggell	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:43:00 - [334] Originally by: Di Mulle Originally by: Xaryx Edited by: Xaryx on 28/05/2010 11:08:16 Thanks for the income nerf for mission runners. Seems like a bludgeoning way of getting people mining again. Seeing as though a hulk pilot can mine more trit in a couple hours than I can from 4 weeks of mission running. Sure it would have been fine if there had of been even a vague effort in this or the last two expansions to give the mission runners some decent lvl 4 missions that are not just designed to destroy standing with a major faction. Even a token increase in bounties would have been nice. Apart from the loot nerf it seems that salvage drops have increased by a reasonable amount. Thats nice. The market for that stuff should tank nicely as well. All in all an expansion that took much much much more than it gave for the mission running fraternity, and gave so much more to those that already had the most. Hows that for your precious balance. It is funny how you can understand that increased drop of salvage will tank prices down, but can't understand that tons of heavy loot were tanking mineral prices down in the same way... i took a break from eve about 2 years ago and got back at the end of last year.kinda liked the new stuff/ships at that time and got back in playing not as much as before but meh. ccps wants feedback about the expansion? well...the scorp looks great,eve performs better i'd say with running multiple accounts and there will be planetary interaction in june with 3 new indie skills available atm.in fact,this "expansion" is targeting only the industrialist part of eve but reduce the carebears income by the meta 0 drop nerf and by adding some more meta2-4 modules reduces their price.for instance the y-t8 module was about 9-10 mils,it's 700k atm.oh,but because there will be more in the loot it will be somewhat balanced?wrong. so,no new ships,no new guns,no new fixed old bugs,no new fixed old ships,no new sites,missions and so on?hmmm,why are the prices for gtcs and plexes keep growing? ah,just because ccp doesn't have any competition atm and can afford to launch some *ed up "expansion".i hope the majority of eve players will feel gratified with the hard work ccp has done this year.and for the poor ers who are going to make their 10mils/day in their nice(:P) looking planets way to go! what else can i say? waiting for Jumpgate Evolution* to be able to let go of eve:)
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:47:00 - [335] Originally by: Anonymous Lemming No, We got: His point was that the blog had excellent descriptions of Planetolgy and A. Planetology, whereas the descriptions in game... are not descriptions :\
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.29 09:54:00 - [336] Originally by: Geldar Wroontik The planet interface is sexy. I had a blast just flying around scouting planets on.... Just a note that you don't have to be flying around to scout planets, many places have the 'View in planet mode' menu item. For example you can be sitting in a station, interacting with planets outside the current system (as long as the are in range of your Remote Sensing skill)
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:01:00 - [337] Originally by: Mitchell Anderson i would like to know what the new blueprints are does anybody know? Off the top of my head, the new blueprints are under the Starbase and Sovereignty blueprint category (BPOs for all things POS-related) and under Ship Equipment->Warp Disruption Fields (for anchorable bubbles) and..hmm... Nanite Repair paste under Ammunition. Probably missing a few. There are no BPOs for the non-final products during PI, those are built into the PI structures. (e.g., no BPO to make Oxygen)
Tex Bloodhunter	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:02:00 - [338] I have to say I am little disappointed that rockets haven't been fixed with this expansion patch. IMO it's a very obvious and easy to fix mistake in the attributes. At this point a short clarification: Guided missile explosion velocities (big, medium, small): 69, 81, 170 Unguided missile explision velocities (big, medium, small): 71, 101, 85 <= rockets So in general, the smaller the missile the more exposion velocity, obviously. Except for rockets which have less explosion velocity than heavy assault missiles. Also, in general, unguided missiles have more explosion velocity than their guided counter parts. Except for rockets, once again. As a lot of threads on the forums state rocket explosion velocity probably should have been 185 - so the 1 is missing. Just tried it out a few minutes ago. 4 T2 rocket launchers with faction ammo and 50% damage bonus (Kestrel, kinetic) deal about the same damage as ONE Hobgoblin II. Me being Caldari, I'd love to fly ships with rocket launchers in pvp but the glitch in the rocket attributes currently renders all missile boats completely useless. Would be great if you could squeeze a hotfix into the new expansion, like you did with the starbase frenzy issue. Cheers
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.29 10:08:00 - [339] Originally by: Geldar Wroontik I have two questions regarding command centers: 2) Will it be possible to upgrade one's command center to a higher tier once it's down, or would we have to rip up the old one and put the new one in? (this sort of ties into my first question) Hoping 1) has been fixed. Regarding 2) -- they are (er, will be) separate items on the market, so my opinion is that you won't be able to upgrade CCs in place.
Asith	Posted - 2010.05.29 11:33:00 - [340] Pros -Like the simplicity of the PI system so far -Like the new scorp model and i hope you do the same to the raven -Like the new eve gate -Love the new calander! Cons -Dislike the planet distribution, far too many gas giants, want a few more barren to reduce the number. -POS arrays which have capital parts in dont get them back after reprocessing meaning a large amount of the value is lost more than i think is fair, but i understand the reasons why they aint avaiable atm. -New people and places folders - too many.
Amun Khonsu Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.05.29 11:55:00 - [341] I dont fly the scorp or related models but.... All of the Scorpion hulls look astounding! Def a good job and two thumbs up to the crew who worked on the models! Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts.
Psycros	Posted - 2010.05.29 15:04:00 - [342] Well...we got new suns! That's what everyone was concerned about, right?? "Disappointment" describes my feelings towards Tyrannis. I'm not at all impressed by a SimCity add-on for planets. Yay, another layer of bugs and balance problems, while the ones we've been begging CCP to fix go ignored. The UI is incomplete and still broken in some places. Caldari/Gallente balance is still broken. Many modules have never worked like they should, or at all. Lots of missions remain broken. Pirates still have every advantage, even in highsec. And perhaps worst of all, the devs are still playing the game themselves - a totally unethical practice that makes me question everything about EVE. What's it going to take, a massive outflux of users? Will the devs wake up then? I want to love this game, but CCP won't let me.
Michael Moonwalker	Posted - 2010.05.29 19:30:00 - [343] I hear a lot of people complaining that there are bugs that go unnoticed. Post them when you complain of them, because if the dev's wont listen, the players will. The squeakiest gear gets the oil. As far as the contacts list change.....WTF? Who in their right mind would change a system that worked PERFECTLY for something that doesn't even begin to work as a means of categorizing contacts? And what's the deal with only allowing 10 char's on gate when looking through contacts. Even lowly search engines have a "Show XXX on page" function. C'mon dev's, I know tyrannis is huge, and has presented a lot of issues, and great job on the majority of gate, it should be a good start for what you want to do, and will lead to great things if Dust ever gets off the ground, but seriously, C'MON MAN! Did the servers bog out with the previous system? did you need to compensate for gate? what? drop some info (or gimme a link if someone has). The new contacts lists lacks the ability to organize, and I thought that's what a contacts list is for. Or would you prefer us to keep a notepad next to our computers and keep a chat window opened up with all the people we want to keep tabs on hotlinked in it? I love this game, and you continue to make it better, but PLEASE don't go the way of WOW and become business greedy. You guys at CCP have a great balance of artistry and business, try not to F' that up, eh?
Anwick Lady	Posted - 2010.05.29 20:09:00 - [344] Dunno what folks really think about this latest expansion, guess time will tell on that score however sad to say one issue that was not addressed was the capabilities of cloaked ships and the uses they are being put to as a result of that. Minor ***** point here, CCP have as yet to devise a method of countering cloaks, I am assured there was once a method but this was scrapped a while ago, however in keeping with the theory that any move in the game that prevents the wholesale enjoyment of the game by the majority was regarded as an exploit and slapped down hard, i.e. parking dozens of bubbles at gates ect, we currently have the problem of players parking single cloaked ships in systems in an effort to prevent other players from effectively playing eve at all for fear of getting constantly ganked by associated hostile ship gangs and loosing valuable ships to same. These methods are possible only due to the fact that cloaks have no finite time limit for there operation, nor can they be currently countered allowing hostile forces to park an afk toon in system so shutting down or severely curtailing all commerce in that system. Either countermeasures need to be built into game or the simple expedient of and AFK timer built in to prevent this type of activity, the later method is possibly favourite as this involves no loss to the AFK player as the ship still cannot be found but would flag the player up as either active or AFK after a period of say 10 minutes too other players in system so allowing some semblance of activity to resume. The situation of a single player causing such disturbance to normal activities while in truth being AFK for many hours or even days is unfair and counter productive to aims and ethics of EVE and needs a solution.
AAUnderDogAA	Posted - 2010.05.30 07:07:00 - [345] Is there something missed or may i didn't read the part were the market will be closed to some persons. or did i not download the part of the patch to buy planetary infrastructure but i cant see any for sale in any market or am i in the right region.
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.05.30 07:23:00 - [346] Originally by: AAUnderDogAA Is there something missed or may i didn't read the part were the market will be closed to some persons. or did i not download the part of the patch to buy planetary infrastructure but i cant see any for sale in any market or am i in the right region. Oh look, heres another one Yes, there's something you missed or didn't read. Right region?.. your not even in the right game.
Miyamura Miyamo	Posted - 2010.05.30 08:59:00 - [347] On your awesome expansion i have nothing to do, great. I am a mission runner, and i do not care at all for your planets or pvp or low sec, and now that most of lv4's are happening in low sec i consider myself jobless. So thank you. Lately i am very disappointed in lack of pve activities in EVE online, so i think I'll just suspend my account until some other expansion where there hopefully will be something for true role playing people like myself (new a lot more interesting missions at least). But with these nerfs to high sec mission runners, i can't really enjoy the game anymore. So in my eyes, this expansion is total FAIL. See you all later hopefully.
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:44:00 - [348] The new seemingly intended mechanic that T2 manufacturing jobs needs 1 RAM pr run to start, seems rather odd to me. Note that the amount of RAMS needed to start a job, and the amount consumed are different. This was technically implented in Dominion (witout patch notes), but could be ignored because of a bug that has now been fixed in Tyrannis. I posted a bug report but was told the Dominion change was a bug fix to an earlier change, that must have happened before Apocrypha. None of these changes have been documented in the patch notes, except the recent 'bugfix' in Tyrannis. I'm very confused at this moment. ;) Any chance of telling us why these changes were implented and the reasons for it? And maybe document them as well in patch notes.
Nelle Toxic	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:44:00 - [349] Originally by: Miyamura Miyamo So in my eyes, this expansion is total FAIL. signed
Alexandra Delarge The Korova	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:48:00 - [350] Dear CCP, This 'expansion' and its deployment was utter rubbish.
Vinayakah	Posted - 2010.05.30 11:59:00 - [351] So, I finally logged in after few months I didnt have time to play, and here are my remarks on the expansion: First, thank you guys from CCP honestly, for a great job, bringing to the universe of EVE completely new area of interest. And I can sense it is only a start I personally was not so much afer industry and all that, but to see the growing possibilities of this game (taking into consideration your next plans like Dust 514, Incarna..), and their synergies that will make the game absolutely incomparable with anything else available!! I can say only "bravo". To get here people from completely different areas, like industry (also people who like to build up cities..and all that, and manage them and create..), and FPS guys for Dust 514...it is absolutely excellent, each one of the are totally different, and to nake them to work together on something in real time...wow. I myself go through all that Crysis, Call of Duty, Mass Effect.... series and can imagine what the clans existing in the online versions lets say in Crysis Wars can make with Dust 514.....**** it will be rocking !!! For the first time they will be really afraid to lost their war....being real!! I have 3 accs and most probably will buy one for Dust as well....ummm...sure I will Honestly, few months ago I was thinking that you should enhance somehow possibilities for the industrialists, some chance to make the jobs efficient by not only skills in the skill-book, but also by their RL brain. Trust me - they like to have things a little more complicated even, with opened scale possibilities, love to make excel sheets with 200 macros to make the thing 2 sec per cycle faster... So, go on and enhance this part!! Not everyone loves to only shoot at people (even I like it, I like their stuff..hehe). My job IRL is project management and especially the big industrial parts, effectiveness increase, transfers, make work large companies... and so on, so I know what am talking about - go on guys! Hey, I am really looking forward to see my avatars walking in the station, and...drink some quafe with friends - this I like really very much as a roleplayer. And looking at the trend of your movement, looking into the future - a question....when will you open your first EVE RL restaurant, where I can drink my Quafe? I dont think it will tale long...of course you dont need to answer Do you have the shares of Quafe available for the RL market - I would sure buy some Good job...just go on!
Jenni Concarnadine	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:02:00 - [352] May I just say, in addition to my earlier comment, that when my machine seized during Phase 3 of loading thepatch, I was very pleased when, once I had gone abck in, it recognsied when it had been upto, and carried on, rather than simply declaring the entire folder corrupt and necesssitating a full reload of the client. Thank you, CCP
Balthizarr Minmatar Evernight Industries.	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:07:00 - [353] The new download is brilliant and it's finally fixed the sound issue I've had since downloading Dom! Great work Guy's!
Severice Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:23:00 - [354] Originally by: Michael Moonwalker As far as the contacts list change.....WTF? Who in their right mind would change a system that worked PERFECTLY for something that doesn't even begin to work as a means of categorizing contacts? Are you dumb? The contacts list was always horrible. It never accurately updated if someone was online or offline, and it never had a refresh button other than log in log out. This one at least seems more robust. Ultimately, there haven't been any changes in eve, but I think the calender and events coordinating was worth it.
Jaz Coval	Posted - 2010.05.30 12:33:00 - [355] Pro -Calendar Contra -program fail pos shoots alli pilots -can't set corp dates in calendar when not ceo -why only scorpion design fix? -still lame c64 grafic without antialising -sound bugs not fixed - stargate and wh sound hang after flying in their grid -ui - why it is unable to do anything when setting bm's or editing channel motd (why it isnt working like the notepad funktion?) -bad contact list, why dont handle a contact like a item, why no folder creation?? and why should i update the fleet all the time when i ad a contact... --> slap the guy who voted it -why sun improvement? do you fly to sun and watch it all the day???? -evegate - why no corpchat, thats the only function u use when in job and cant play -why that very loud ambient sound when wathing planets in planet mode -why planet position change? Quote: Our corp took the time to set our pos up at a very scenic loacation. We log on, go to our pos and our beautiful earth like planet is now a big ugly plain white gas planet. (same here, was a nice barren planet as we build pos there.. now bad gas giant..) a.s.o. result -full fail expansion suggstions -correct contra points -profiles for scanners (probe position and scanrange) -make insurance for t3's, but stop payout for selfdestruction of any ship -eve for linux (you guys could get half more pilots then now) you should do that cause you will lose pilots when building more and more bugs like this
Unforgiven Storm	Posted - 2010.05.30 13:49:00 - [356] 2 points that are not so good in the expansion. 1 - Calendar entry point location. The entry point is in the hours, in the left down corner of the screen. For the people that play in window mode and have the window with the size of the screen, this area in window in not visible!!!! is always hidden because the toolbar of the window on the top pushed the window down. The result is that I not even know I had a calendar inside the game until my corp mate ask me why I didn't accept the meeting request and told me where that is. Since it is out of the mouse range and the window cannot be pushed up, because windows doesn't allow, I had to change to full window, press the button, and put it back to window mode... this will be something I will not do in the future, so that window/functionality will not be used by me since I can't see it/access it in window mode! After some conversations, I discovered that half my corp mates also have the same problem... since we all play with alts, with 2 monitors we have to play in window mode... so calendar will be a almost dead feature to us, we cannot use what we cannot see! 2 - Eve gate. Concept is good, almost everything good, just one disapointment, the corp chatter is something that is not usable like we all expect (me and corp mates). When we seen the chatter we expect it was a window to the corp chat inside the game... wrong! only people inside eve gate can see it, so if I'm in eve gate and my corp mates inside the game there is no communication between us, because they do not have eve gate open... it doens't make sense to have it open while playing, so we continue to not talk and that makes that chat a almost dead area of conversation... I said "I guys, anybody there", I got and answer back 3 hours later, when someone login in to gate and said "hello"... I wasn't login anymore... Its not a forum, it is not a real chatter, what it is? Just interconnect it with the game corp chat and make everybody happy or transform it in a real forum and also make everybody happy, just get of the gray area please.
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.05.30 14:59:00 - [357] Originally by: Jaz Coval -eve for native linux (not using wonky Cedega hacks) Fixed it for you.
Lone Provider	Posted - 2010.05.30 21:34:00 - [358] I have some feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WANT LVL5 MISSIONS BACK IN HI-SEC !!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kerfira The Scope	Posted - 2010.05.30 23:12:00 - [359] Originally by: Lone Provider I have some feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WANT LVL5 MISSIONS BACK IN HI-SEC !!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< What you want, and what is going to happen are two very different things A quote from when L5's were introduced: Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer ...agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Mairi Danze	Posted - 2010.05.30 23:58:00 - [360] Originally by: Lone Provider I have some feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WANT LVL5 MISSIONS BACK IN HI-SEC !!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ewww...... Do people really run missions? Those are boring! I'm glad mission profit got wrecked. I'm no economist, but won't this make the game economy function more realistically? Thanks CCP!
Gentle1	Posted - 2010.05.31 02:04:00 - [361] Quote: Originally by: Lone Provider -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have some feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WANT LVL5 MISSIONS BACK IN HI-SEC !!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ewww...... Do people really run missions? Those are boring! I'm glad mission profit got wrecked. I'm no economist, but won't this make the game economy function more realistically? Thanks CCP! Wow , i just have to quote on this. Now who do you think has the 3-10 Billion isk ships? mission runners. They are the ones who constantly buy on the market , because they are also the ones who fight in alliance wars and therefore need the skills and so on. Now their income has been shot to bits. meaning alot less income , and therefore no more large buyout's on ship equipment in game. If you have not noticed that should be 50% of market cantent= ship equip. So missionnears will now blitz and stop loot/salvage operations altogther skyrocketing prices for salvage , since no1 will do any salving anymore making slavage goods rare. Ships will not be bought on a "hamster" basis , meaning eatch runner has 25 ships in his bay , because he can or wants to , now it will most likely be on a "need" basis . Either dramaticly increasing/decreaing ship cost , depending on time between purches of ship , in the beginning it will most likeyl be a increase , after that a steap decrease since nobody will be buying ships anymore. Next part is the missioners can't just change from mission running to going industiral due to Atributes and skills. Most mission runners don't have any industy skills and their attributes are distributed to perception and maybe intelligence to increase the learing speed of combat skills [I for instance have 31.9 Points in Perception and 27.5 Points in intelligence all others are at 22Points (skills x 1.1 for learing , all learning skills at 5)] Now as you mentioned your not a economist . But I think you see the picture if not ... WOW than you must be blind. This Update did not only increase the wealth of the industrials , it even kicked the other branch in the crtch. I don't think any missioner would have complained if this had been a industrial pure update as log as we don't get screed over . But this is unexceptable. I hope I stated what most mission runners feel without sounding whiny or agrresive , but Plz ppl who say "I'm so happy i get to exploit a new area cause I'm an industrial , don't know why the others are *****in" look at it from our perspective too. Sincerly, Gentle1
D13s 1r43	Posted - 2010.05.31 05:47:00 - [362] Looks good - would it be possible to set a time zone on the Calendar so I'm not trying to figure out that Wednesday at 11 PM Central is really Thursday morning GMT?
Kuber	Posted - 2010.05.31 06:56:00 - [363] @ Gentle1 - I think you are right Gentle. This perspective is important.....!!
Jaz Coval	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:41:00 - [364] Originally by: Unforgiven Storm 2 points that are not so good in the expansion. 1 - Calendar entry point location. The entry point is in the hours, in the left down corner of the screen. For the people that play in window mode and have the window with the size of the screen, this area in window in not visible!!!! is always hidden because the toolbar of the window on the top pushed the window down. The result is that I not even know I had a calendar inside the game until my corp mate ask me why I didn't accept the meeting request and told me where that is. Since it is out of the mouse range and the window cannot be pushed up, because windows doesn't allow, I had to change to full window, press the button, and put it back to window mode... this will be something I will not do in the future, so that window/functionality will not be used by me since I can't see it/access it in window mode! After some conversations, I discovered that half my corp mates also have the same problem... since we all play with alts, with 2 monitors we have to play in window mode... so calendar will be a almost dead feature to us, we cannot use what we cannot see! use evemons relocator for that Originally by: Heimer Originally by: Jaz Coval -eve for native linux (not using wonky Cedega hacks or wine) Fixed it for you. ty
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 07:59:00 - [365] What worries me is how they're doing their development as of late.. When the PI changes were announced, there were dev teams who did not know about it. They were :amazed: etc..which sounds fun, but would scare the ** out of me as a Software Engineer. It's not like the offshoot teams are developing stand-alone products, or stand-alone plugins. Everyone is playing in the same code sandbox..and you have teams making radical changes to the code and not communicating. Then they wonder why this team ** all over server performance.. It's enough to almost volunteer for a year and go in with a "best practices" bat to their procedures. Maybe they knew all along and it was just for the benefit of the dev blog to seem edgy..i hope that's the case. But i think it isn't..and i think i should buy a copy of the Mythical Man Month for every CCP Dev. CCP, How many copies should i buy, and where should i mail them to make sure they can be distributed to every single developer?
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:07:00 - [366] Originally by: Caladain Barton Worries Oh, and Zero Dev responses. After a major release, even though i'm moving onto the next one, i am desperately trying to gather as much feedback as quickly as possible about my release..and talking with my customers. I think Anon on kugu nailed the head on this one: "Go batting! You're not the only one who is fearing for the future. This stuff started to get real noticeable in Dominion, but it might have started earlier. My bet is that the WoD development has drained CCP of their most competent staff, and they're stuck with a green team."
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 08:15:00 - [367] Originally by: Caladain Barton More Concern By the way, not joking on getting MMM to you guys if you all are really a green team inheriting a codebase. PM me or send me an in-game mail or somesuch.
Mitchell Anderson	Posted - 2010.05.31 09:26:00 - [368] Edited by: Mitchell Anderson on 31/05/2010 09:27:19 does anybody know what the new blueprints are? i already have the nanite repair paste blueprint. what else is there?
Sarina Berghil Minmatar New Zion Judge Advocate	Posted - 2010.05.31 12:00:00 - [369] Originally by: Mitchell Anderson Edited by: Mitchell Anderson on 31/05/2010 09:27:19 does anybody know what the new blueprints are? i already have the nanite repair paste blueprint. what else is there? Starbase Structures, Sovereignity Structures, and Outpost components. They can be a bit hard to find in the market category of the blueprints.
Unbendable McRib	Posted - 2010.05.31 12:43:00 - [370] Hello, where are the Event Landmarks and new dungeons?? I diddnt find it? why
Marshal McCloud	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:13:00 - [371] OMG. I go to log in and the maximum number of players has been reached and I am number 11 in line to play. I pay to play the game and am being prevented from playing the game. This is bull. If people pay money to play the game, they expect to be able to play the game, not be told, play some other time.
Miklabjarnir Primus	Posted - 2010.05.31 15:41:00 - [372] Originally by: Caladain Barton What worries me is how they're doing their development as of late.. ... I agree, the signs are not reassuring. There have been a lot of messages from people who could not install the new client at all. I had the same problems on my new Win7 system. Checking the boards, I saw lots of complaints from users of 64-bit Windows. The installer is obviously not 64-bit safe - I had several illegal memory accesses, including a NULL reference! Making software for a 64-bit OS is not cutting edge any more, and failing at that task in 2010 is inexcusable. I resorted to do the install on my old 32-bit P4-system (also running Win7 Ultimate). Since that computer can no longer run EVE because of the display adapter, I then moved the installed folder to the new system. While it works, it also crashes a lot. I suspect that the attempts to address memory outside the application is caused by the same lack of proper testing as for the installer.
Ahsekuaw Brother Theo's Monastery The Ancients.	Posted - 2010.05.31 21:53:00 - [373] Originally by: Miklabjarnir Primus Making software for a 64-bit OS is not cutting edge any more, and failing at that task in 2010 is inexcusable. I echo the sentiment here as well. I've had nothing but crashes, clients freezing & bluescreens since installing the client on my 64 bit Win7 system. It doesn't matter if I'm running a single client or multiple. The bottom line is it isn't stable on 64 bit. That begs the question of professionalism and communication within QA and CCP itself. Further, I have a big issue with the PVE nerfs. For a game that markets itself as a sandbox for all types of players with all types of professions, this nerf was absolutely hypocritical to your marketing and game play. The players that prefer the PVE to PVP will eventually leave since you've hamstrung their income. Further, PVE was something to fall back upon when you got sick of the PVP and needed to rebuild. Without the fallback, you again risk losing paying subscribers. Higher turnover in player subscriptions limits sustained growth for your product. Sounds to me like you didn't think of the consequences to your marketing plan here. Maybe you were too busy thinking up another classless music video. Again, this harkens back to professionalism. Do yourselves a favor and restore the loot tables to what they were previously. Ahs
Caladain Barton Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.05.31 22:25:00 - [374] Originally by: Ahsekuaw Maybe you were too busy thinking up another classless music video. Again, this harkens back to professionalism. The Music video would be classy if CCP was kicking ass and taking names in their development. Since they aren't, it's become a mocking point. IF CCP kicks it up a notch..stops acting like a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears developers and actually kicks ass and takes names..then the playerbase wouldn't be a bunch of increasingly bitter and vocal people. Patch comes, patch is deployed, lag is not fixed. No update, no word, nothing. What happened CCP? Did you fire all your devs and now have a bunch of 30k a year developers? You guys were rocking all the way up until Dominion...you do realize this right? Apoc actually fixed the lag..1000v1000 was possible, 300v300 was nightly. I'm planning on securing my Mothership..then i'm unsubbing my accounts until lag gets fixed or CCP puts out a 'top-to-bottom' 'for the software-engineers out there' blog. You guys have ****ed up somewhere, and this patch reaks of hubris.
Selar Nox Gallente Delta Division	Posted - 2010.05.31 22:43:00 - [375] Volume of ambient sound in stations will decrease after 90 and 180 seconds to make idling in stations less noisy. May I ask why you made this mandatory for all? I like my station sounds (yes, I am not at an amarrian station...), but now after a little while the client falls dead silent while browsing the market, fitting ships etc. In my view this kills a lot of atmosphere... Would you think about a tick box in the audio options so we can choose if we want to activate this feature or not, please? btw, spinning ships without sound is boooring
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.06.01 01:26:00 - [376] so PCC being seeded todya ? Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00
Vehsik	Posted - 2010.06.01 04:26:00 - [377] Not sure if anyone else got this, and I know it's still in beta, but I logged into Evegate for the first time today. I like it, except for the fact that my character pic is way wrong...it's not even close to a Gallente male. I've yet to find anyway to change it, and figure it's automatic. It's not a huge issue, compared to other listed issues, just one of them things my corp has instantly taken to using. Any info on it would be peachy.
Heimer Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2010.06.01 05:56:00 - [378] Originally by: HeliosGal so PCC being seeded todya ? Well, yeah, today is June 8th, right?
Kai Njord	Posted - 2010.06.01 10:27:00 - [379] Originally by: Marshal McCloud OMG. I go to log in and the maximum number of players has been reached and I am number 11 in line to play. I pay to play the game and am being prevented from playing the game. This is bull. If people pay money to play the game, they expect to be able to play the game, not be told, play some other time. I totaly agree!! I understand they did it to drop the lag issues but this is not the right way.
JJ Mika	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:19:00 - [380] <<The waste factor for all Tech III blueprint copies has been changed to 0. This is a non-functional change.>> Its an extract from Patch note. It may be a 'non-functional' change for whoever wrote this but i notice that building T3 hull really needs less components after the patch - 8 Fullerene intercalated sheets instead of 9 - 15 Metallofullerene plating instead of 17 and 20 Nanowire composites instead of 22. So the 10% waste factor is gone. Doesnt seems 'non-functional' at all. JJ Mika
Lemming Alpha1dash1	Posted - 2010.06.01 14:32:00 - [381] o/ CCP Yet another patch further towards Incarna, thx for the work so far Have an issue though, i dont mind the whole loot and courier mission nerf perse, but why do I now get mining missions from intel division ?? Plz dont go too far in making eve too dull for me, i luv too pew pew not mine
Death Stab	Posted - 2010.06.01 16:35:00 - [382] Is it true that 99% of lvl 5 missions are moved to low-sec? And you DID NOT say about it in the patch notes? Quote: Agents & Missions * Several missions have been changed so that they no longer use commodities for cargo that are also used in Planetary Interaction. * Basic Courier Missions have been changed so that cargo size and travel distance is consistent between factions and agent levels. * "Serpentis Drug Outlet 1/10" will now require the gate key to enter the final room. * Most Station Ruins structures have been resized and many dungeons received some minor adjustments. * ôKeeping Crime in Checkö mission has been re-balanced and now requires 3 bronze tags instead of 10. * The distribution of the missions ôAvenge a Fallen Comradeö, ôBreak Their Willö and ôRetributionö was adjusted. * The mission ôThe Search Party (2 of 2)ö is now working as intended. * "Starting Simple" text has been corrected for the post-Apocrypha UI. * "Attack the Angel Hideout" objective text has been restored. Who are you making this game for? Whose idea was it? Large alliances from 0.0? Or Council of Stellar Management made of large 0.0 alliances? (3394 'reads' so for 'New Dev Blog: CSM5 Election -- The Results Are In!' - it seems that people are not interested). WTF happened to lvl 5? And why did you do it so secretly?
Gerhardus	Posted - 2010.06.01 18:53:00 - [383] the new loot table is big **** where are the amorplates who will by ships and that stuff in the high sec, if there are no mission runners any moore, because you can't earn ISK any moore with it ???!!!
Weynard Caldari Evoke. Ev0ke	Posted - 2010.06.01 19:19:00 - [384] Edited by: Weynard on 01/06/2010 19:19:55 Originally by: Gerhardus the new loot table is big **** where are the amorplates who will by ships and that stuff in the high sec, if there are no mission runners any moore, because you can't earn ISK any moore with it ???!!! u mad? EDIT: Consider the use of a spell checker pls
Barrakus TWan	Posted - 2010.06.01 20:24:00 - [385] Originally by: Gentle1 Quote: Originally by: Lone Provider -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have some feedback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I WANT LVL5 MISSIONS BACK IN HI-SEC !!!! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ewww...... Do people really run missions? Those are boring! I'm glad mission profit got wrecked. I'm no economist, but won't this make the game economy function more realistically? Thanks CCP! Wow , i just have to quote on this. Now who do you think has the 3-10 Billion isk ships? mission runners. They are the ones who constantly buy on the market , because they are also the ones who fight in alliance wars and therefore need the skills and so on. Now their income has been shot to bits. meaning alot less income , and therefore no more large buyout's on ship equipment in game. If you have not noticed that should be 50% of market cantent= ship equip. So missionnears will now blitz and stop loot/salvage operations altogther skyrocketing prices for salvage , since no1 will do any salving anymore making slavage goods rare. Ships will not be bought on a "hamster" basis , meaning eatch runner has 25 ships in his bay , because he can or wants to , now it will most likely be on a "need" basis . Either dramaticly increasing/decreaing ship cost , depending on time between purches of ship , in the beginning it will most likeyl be a increase , after that a steap decrease since nobody will be buying ships anymore. Next part is the missioners can't just change from mission running to going industiral due to Atributes and skills. Most mission runners don't have any industy skills and their attributes are distributed to perception and maybe intelligence to increase the learing speed of combat skills [I for instance have 31.9 Points in Perception and 27.5 Points in intelligence all others are at 22Points (skills x 1.1 for learing , all learning skills at 5)] Now as you mentioned your not a economist . But I think you see the picture if not ... WOW than you must be blind. This Update did not only increase the wealth of the industrials , it even kicked the other branch in the crtch. I don't think any missioner would have complained if this had been a industrial pure update as log as we don't get screed over . But this is unexceptable. I hope I stated what most mission runners feel without sounding whiny or agrresive , but Plz ppl who say "I'm so happy i get to exploit a new area cause I'm an industrial , don't know why the others are *****in" look at it from our perspective too. Sincerly, Gentle1 I completely second this. ISK must be generated somewhere in order for the supposed "cycle of life" which definitely also includes ISK to be working properly. Cutting down one single branch of eve (i.e. the mission runners) will not be of any benefit; definitely not for the missioneers and ,more medium term, not even for hardcore pvp'ers (less noobs to shoot at in their innocently expensive failfit pve ships). As such fix this!
Icee Mehki	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:43:00 - [386] Originally by: Barrakus TWan N.B. So-called sandbox game pushing players into particular directions - wtfpwnage Lol... Sandbox? They have just turned it into quicksand... And will soon be killing off a lot of subscribers with the mission nerf. A lot of people used missions to pay for plex's so they don't have to pay for there subscriptions personally. And others bought plex's to pay for... what? Oh that's right... expensive PvE ships for High Sec use ONLY!!! So with the plex's and income both being messed up... I think a lot of even long time players are going to have to start actually paying for their subscriptions again. From the way they have been talking so far, doesn't sound like they will for the moral reasons of "they haven't had to pay in years" Not saying everyone does this as I don't really know how the 0.0 alliances work. But in Empire space... most the income comes from missions. CCP... Not everyone wants to go to 0.0! Why are you trying to force us out of the career paths we have been specializing in for months/years?
Tony Starmap	Posted - 2010.06.02 11:53:00 - [387] if you magically could fix lag, so i wouldnt a: loose my ship b: dont have to turn off all graphics/brackets.. So far tyrannis have been worse/the same..
theprintz	Posted - 2010.06.02 12:26:00 - [388] Originally by: Icee Mehki Originally by: Barrakus TWan N.B. So-called sandbox game pushing players into particular directions - wtfpwnage Lol... Sandbox? They have just turned it into quicksand... And will soon be killing off a lot of subscribers with the mission nerf. A lot of people used missions to pay for plex's so they don't have to pay for there subscriptions personally. And others bought plex's to pay for... what? Oh that's right... expensive PvE ships for High Sec use ONLY!!! So with the plex's and income both being messed up... I think a lot of even long time players are going to have to start actually paying for their subscriptions again. From the way they have been talking so far, doesn't sound like they will for the moral reasons of "they haven't had to pay in years" Not saying everyone does this as I don't really know how the 0.0 alliances work. But in Empire space... most the income comes from missions. CCP... Not everyone wants to go to 0.0! Why are you trying to force us out of the career paths we have been specializing in for months/years? indeed,it's safe to say that things are this way but what seems to be the most ***ed up thing is that after almost 400 posts in this topic i didn't see yet ONE answer from some bored ccp guy to atleast say something like "stfu u noobs,u don't know anything about eve and what we, the smart ones, are trying to do to accommodate all u poor subscribers(sigh)". from my point of view a corporation that sabotages its paying customers is on its way to bankruptcy.i've already sold one of my chars and after the subscription ends on my other ones i'll sell'em as well and go play something else or not play anything at all,eve took enough of my time already and seems to end in disapointment. i think 90% of the posts in here are against the loot nerf and such and that would say something to anyone with decent marketing skills(not many of them in ccp it seems thou:P);let me spell it out for u guys:u're about to lose tons of subscriptions. oh,and tx for ur most sensitive and fast reply CCP! :)) don't bother guys,sell ur chars while u can get a decent enough price for them and go to greener pastures:)
Barrakus TWan	Posted - 2010.06.02 12:51:00 - [389] Edited by: Barrakus TWan on 02/06/2010 12:54:52 Edited by: Barrakus TWan on 02/06/2010 12:53:04 Originally by: Icee Mehki Originally by: Barrakus TWan N.B. So-called sandbox game pushing players into particular directions - wtfpwnage Lol... Sandbox? They have just turned it into quicksand... And will soon be killing off a lot of subscribers with the mission nerf. A lot of people used missions to pay for plex's so they don't have to pay for there subscriptions personally. And others bought plex's to pay for... what? Oh that's right... expensive PvE ships for High Sec use ONLY!!! So with the plex's and income both being messed up... I think a lot of even long time players are going to have to start actually paying for their subscriptions again. From the way they have been talking so far, doesn't sound like they will for the moral reasons of "they haven't had to pay in years" Not saying everyone does this as I don't really know how the 0.0 alliances work. But in Empire space... most the income comes from missions. CCP... Not everyone wants to go to 0.0! Why are you trying to force us out of the career paths we have been specializing in for months/years? i'll raise this by saying that those who have been specializing in what i'll call simply "high-sec ISK generation" (excludes traders and industrialists since they don't care much about either shiny pew-pew pve or pvp ships)"have been let go" (fired; /me looks over shoulder hoping not to see HR crawl up his butt). Now i ask you people, who is gonna be buying the faction mods and drops from 0.0? who's gonna fill your 0.0 wallets? who is gonna fill the ninja looters wallets? i mean who is actually still gonna think about shooting a ninja looter for the 3 ISK worth of loot they are susceptible of taking? and that's not even talking about the fact that 99% of all border agents are now giving out the missions in low-sec or even null. Either keep it sandbox, or don't sell it as such anymore. N.B. From a legal perspective, selling a product which does not correspond to what you say it is dear CCP, opens the door for legal action; just a heads-up.
Agallis Zinthros Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.02 13:26:00 - [390] Originally by: Garst Tyrell Edited by: Garst Tyrell on 27/05/2010 01:54:50 also huge +1 for breaking up the NC and getting lots of bears killed in their caps and ratting ships on their POS, couldnt have done it better myself. I guess tranquility post tryannis couldnt handle a naplist that large :) +1, also what did they do with the P4 mats? That's the big question about 1.0.1. Are there tears? Also cancel all my WTBs on cyno jammers. It's not piracy, its surprise PVP.
Jelzid Caldari GSZ Magnum Opus.	Posted - 2010.06.02 14:08:00 - [391] My client now starts up much, much faster than with Dominion. This is nice. :) Planet scanning is fun - I can't wait for the seeding of command centres. I have heard the complaints about the new insurance system. It might be a fair idea to extend the period of the insurance (double or triple it), if the payouts on T1 ships are genuinely lower now. This won't affect the amount of isk being injected, but it will appease those who feel insurance is less useful for newbies and hisec folks. Alternatively, the 'renewal cost' of reinstating an insurance contract on a previously insured ship could be halved for the same coverage, given the amount already collected and the 'good track record' (lower liability). Just a thought.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.06.02 16:38:00 - [392] Ok before more people star spouting crap, let me fill you in. Plex prices are coming down. 286 for a plex in jita. Being a mission runner myself, Mission loot hasnt been nerfed that bad, I still get a fair amount of loot from missions which I use for ship production. No one has talked about PI and what type of income is going to come from that since if you want POS fuel you will have to talk to the planet people. Insurance nerf and mineral balance is perfect, certain minerals are coming up in prices others are going back down, going back to a 06-07 market. It actually hurts to los a tech 1 ship now instead of oh look i can buy a new ship and full t2 fittings cause of my insurance pay out. CCP reserves the right to change any part at any time. Remember that.
Forum Alterson	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:03:00 - [393] I'd just like to say that EVE is, and always has run fine on my Vista/Win7 x64 boxes. Of course, I know how to use a computer; that helps.
XenosisReaper Rising Ashes Inc. Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.06.02 19:05:00 - [394] I've just read the last 3-4 pages of comments and all I can say is wow. Its worse than youtube comments. -Generic Level 5 Missions are being moved to Low Sec WAHHHHHHH- Complaint Untrue, all Level 5 Mission AGENTS have been moved to low sec, it is still possible to spawn them into highsec, just less likely because of the agent movements, level 5's were never intended to be run in highsec, the devs said this several times. -Generic Missioning doesn't give me as much money- Complaint The lost of Meta 0 modules and the introduction of scrap metal has lowered income by about 5-10%, thats assuming you were stupid enough to actually loot it. You make far more money blitzting the missions. -Generic Sun Looks ****- Complaint Okay, you have a point, CCP has decided that to save costs, the Wormhole effect will be used everywhere on anything -Generic Lag is WORSE- Complaint Whether or not Dominion broke lag is a bit of a moot point when you fill a system with 900 players and don't inform CCP about it. I agree that the new fleet finder and fleet system may have contributed to small gang warfare lag in some cases. -Generic CCP only nerfs my playstyle and boosts everyone else and because everyone else is whining I must be right- Complaint People only complain when things go wrong, if the expansion didn't effect you, or made things better, your first plan isn't to go to the forums and shout about it. If it seems like everyone and their mother is complaining, its because there isn't a section of the forum's to THANK CCP. -Generic EVE IS DYING- Complaint http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Yep, No one is playing anymore...
Montar Ran	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:01:00 - [395] So you guys putting out a new expansion. But you seem to be rushing stuff... How about you guys look for excellence in a product like you used too. I believe the last 2 patches had numerous bugs that you still have not fixed yet... So wont say keep up the good work.
Leonard Delmordaine	Posted - 2010.06.02 21:07:00 - [396] Fix the insurance side of the house... That was a joke doing what you did.
Reno Shinra	Posted - 2010.06.03 00:14:00 - [397] Whst on earth has happened to the missions? lv 2 mission with rats in it with bounty of 8.25 mill? battlships all over the place? How on earth are new ppl gonna tank that ? Mission in question is > The Search Party (2 of 2) surely this cannot be right ? jump in first room mutiple gisty cruiser 3 battlships second room 8 battlships and asome cruiser 1 bs have a 8.25 mill bounty - no this cannot be right for a lv 2!
Eye Q	Posted - 2010.06.03 01:13:00 - [398] I play in the drone regions. I can say that changes to drone loots are far worse than I anticipated. Values for even the best BS spawns are around 300k and that's the drone queens. I'm not saying change it back to how it was, but maybe take another look at spawn values at current Jita prices and tweak them. EveGate is nice so far. I just wish contract status and active market order status had been included in the things you could check out of game.
Icee Mehki	Posted - 2010.06.03 02:38:00 - [399] As I mentioned before. It's not the drops I have issues with, it's not only the lvl 5's but even the lvl 4's seem to mostly be in low sec now. Unless you move to .8+ systems 5 jumps or more from low sec. And there are not many agents of good quality in those areas. Plus with so many people moving to the few systems there that still kinda work, the traffic is worse (not more spread out like CCP was supposedly trying to do. 46/52 lvl 4 missions I tried to pull have been in low sec.
innopinate nightmare	Posted - 2010.06.03 07:33:00 - [400] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Ok before more people star spouting crap, let me fill you in. Plex prices are coming down. 286 for a plex in jita. Being a mission runner myself, Mission loot hasnt been nerfed that bad, I still get a fair amount of loot from missions which I use for ship production. really?which jita?the one with 307mils/plex? and without 90% of the bs drop in missions do u REALLY have enough reprocessed loot for ur own ship production? and u said something about the mineral price atm.how do u think the market will be when more and more people will start mining,because they see this so called boost in price.like in any market(RL market) the intervention of say..official government in its free market by regulating prices must be done carefully BUT not at the expense of the majority of its tax payers. as for the guy that said something about blizting missions,how does that make any sense when the only good thing from that is or was for the l5 missions,recte for plain and simple lps.does anyone run missions for getting only the reward given by the agents?an average l4 mission gives u about 2 mils in reward but in bounty 5mils or more and 2-3K lps and now with almost no loot worth.and no,it's not 5-10% lose of income but much more and only in ONE direction,the mission runners. i don't think that all these people like to complain for the pleasure of hearing themselves,some make good arguments.
Nikolae Varius Amarr Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap	Posted - 2010.06.03 07:42:00 - [401] I have been a devoted adovate of ccp and eve in general through the years. Saying this, i strongly condemn the issuance of lvl 5 missions in low sec as entirely impractical. It far to easy to covertly scan and probe a party with a small gang than is justifiable or logical. Only a standing force able to pressure pirates is able to counter act their pressence. This is not available to the vast majority of capsulers. I am not asking to make lvl 5's easier, or harder , or more accesible; I ask ccp to make it POSSIBLE. Consider this a last request from a humble player. If ccp can't realize the folly in delegating aspects of the game to a priviliged few then ill be the first to declare foul. I hope ccp can rectify this incongruency accordingly. Furthermore, I am amazzed at the incompliance of dev's/gm's to respond to my polite requests to counsel. 4 years as a faithful as a patron to eve doesn't buy you much my friends. Humbly, Nikolae
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.06.03 09:54:00 - [402] what have been completed i see no change so why i spreading false info ?
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.06.03 10:04:00 - [403] Posted - 26/05/2010 20:43:00 - QuoteEVE Online: Tyrannis deployment has completed, and weÆre interested in what you have to tell us about the expansion. This is the place to offer your general feedback on Tyrannis, not to report issues or bugs. A separate thread for issues can be found here. what have been completed i see no change so why i spreading false info ? CCP Shadow why are you saying what is not true ? since 18th of may you promise us planet interaction and so far we seen only a you tube video so when will you finally do what you promise for weeks or the Dev Team of Eve not capable to do what they promise . Fact is we have a new log in screen a new music and some new items on the market but that's it all in all only big words but the promised feature witch you advertise are no where to be seen so I ask you to finally commit to your promises and show this planet interaction you had enough time to delay Tyrannis so stop asking for a feedback that you hold back I feel like i sit in a restaurant where the main dish is just a picture on a plate you call that a fair treatment ?
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.06.03 10:19:00 - [404] Originally by: Nikolae Varius I have been a devoted adovate of ccp and eve in general through the years. Saying this, i strongly condemn the issuance of lvl 5 missions in low sec as entirely impractical. It far to easy to covertly scan and probe a party with a small gang than is justifiable or logical. Only a standing force able to pressure pirates is able to counter act their pressence. This is not available to the vast majority of capsulers. I am not asking to make lvl 5's easier, or harder , or more accesible; I ask ccp to make it POSSIBLE. Consider this a last request from a humble player. If ccp can't realize the folly in delegating aspects of the game to a priviliged few then ill be the first to declare foul. I hope ccp can rectify this incongruency accordingly. Furthermore, I am amazzed at the incompliance of dev's/gm's to respond to my polite requests to counsel. 4 years as a faithful as a patron to eve doesn't buy you much my friends. Humbly, Nikolae the problem is that ccp dev team and GM are either not willing to prove that the planet interaction is the biggest failure of all times or why are still not willing to release the Planet Base Structures it seems to me advertising yes but showing something is not possible for them to do or how else you can explain that constant delaying of the new feature and not getting to the point why look at this thread they ask for a feedback if the key item is hold back from the CCP management if someone can provide an answer to this go ahead i cant ask for a feedback if there is nothing to be judged or can you rate a planetary interaction if the important item is been delayed hold back and constantly excused for what did CCP held mass testing events if the out turn was 0 cause there is still no base to be bought on the market and as i seen the tutorial that's the key feature of this update in the first place and good point it just shows how much they really care about concern of the paying community namely none i am very disappointed for such good credits and prizes Eve Online got if they cant even do what they promise misrable performance for All CCP Members
Leonard Delmordaine	Posted - 2010.06.03 11:53:00 - [405] LOOKS LIKE CCP SCREWED UP ONCE AGAIN... Come on fellas from CCP ger your heads screwed on right and come out with a way better expansion. Listen to the player base... yes you came out with planetary interaction, but you screwed up missions, you bit the pooch with that sorry excuse of insurance fixes(not a fix but screw up). What else... the overview you bug that you said you meant to do... lol yea right you scewed up. Umm i can must likely go on forever... Go back to the bascis... the game was fun and exciting so many damn bugs now makes me not even want to undock since if there is a bug you wont admit there is one and wont replace ships due to your bug... this game is yours... SO THE BUGS CREATED ARE SERVER SIDE NOT CLIENT SIDE!
Malak Alraheem	Posted - 2010.06.03 14:31:00 - [406] Originally by: Reno Shinra Whst on earth has happened to the missions? lv 2 mission with rats in it with bounty of 8.25 mill? battlships all over the place? How on earth are new ppl gonna tank that ? Mission in question is > The Search Party (2 of 2) surely this cannot be right ? jump in first room mutiple gisty cruiser 3 battlships second room 8 battlships and asome cruiser 1 bs have a 8.25 mill bounty - no this cannot be right for a lv 2! Petition if you get that mission. Have the name of the last regualr agent that you used to get the storyline mission handy. The GMs can give fix the issue. (being nice doesn't hurt either).
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:33:00 - [407] while not thrilled by the nerfing of the loot from battleships it's not exactly the end of the world for me at least. what does hurt is limiting your contacts list to a mere 300 people. my list got truncated in the low E's over that. so many of the villains and bounders i've tagged over the years are now getting a free pass.
Tornicks Caldari U-208 Blade.	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:39:00 - [408] Wanted to ask this since the expansion was deployed: Why there was no mention of new textures for battleships in patch notes, and why, as much as I can see, are there no updated textures for them, except the one for Scorpion? I should note that I'm not speaking about the updated Scorpion look, but the textures. They, as this dev blog mentioned, were going to be updated for all EVE ships, and, as the Tyrannis feature page mentioned, battleships were going to be the class which the textures would be updated for, in Tyrannis. -- 'Non-essential personnel, abandon ship.' Admiral Yakiya Tovil-Toba's last command, CE23155
Bloom Flamestar	Posted - 2010.06.03 16:50:00 - [409] Originally by: Tornicks Wanted to ask this since the expansion was deployed: Why there was no mention of new textures for battleships in patch notes, and why, as much as I can see, are there no updated textures for them, except the one for Scorpion? I should note that I'm not speaking about the updated Scorpion look, but the textures. They, as this dev blog mentioned, were going to be updated for all EVE ships, and, as the Tyrannis feature page mentioned, battleships were going to be the class which the textures would be updated for, in Tyrannis. if you have not noticed till now they promise more then they can do advertising and then when it comes to fact only delays excuses and reduction of features 8th June ccp really after that goofing you shown in the last weeks no chance for what you have a test server if you fail so miserably
Traska Gannel	Posted - 2010.06.03 20:02:00 - [410] CONTACTS! Please add the ability to create folders and group contacts ... why was this removed in the first place? I have: - groups of real life friends - groups of characters I trade with or who were active in the same markets - war targets and former war targets - friends made in the game in different corps These do not share the same simple categorization derived from standings. - What if I have friends in corps that I am currently at war with? - What if I want to quickly see which of my friends are currently on-line - What if I want to see which members of a specific war target corp are currently on-line None of this functionality is available with the current contact implementation without player specifiable folder groupings on contacts which existed prior to this patch. I can "Create Folder" under Agents, I can "Create Folder" under places ... why is this missing from Contacts? Why are the original folders I created missing. At the present time, it is impossible to manage the contacts since war targets from a dozen corps are mixed with casual friends and trading contacts. In any case, to make the contacts marginally useful in the short term I have had to delete over 350 contacts representing almost 4 years of accumulated information. Perhaps it should have been cleaned up a while ago but this clean up should not have been forced due to missing an obvious feature for any contact application. Just IMHO ... overall the update seems pretty good ... we'll see how PI runs when it is rolled out ... but I still have difficulty understanding why the internal structure of everyone's contact list had to be destroyed to support the revised contact implementation.
Leonard Delmordaine	Posted - 2010.06.03 20:46:00 - [411] Gotta love CCP's failures or how they wont even comment on anything... Since they know they continue to screw up... CCP take a bow please you guys deserve it.
Viral Effect Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp	Posted - 2010.06.03 22:41:00 - [412] Tyrannis feedback. Sun û Looks worse. Lag û Still awful Missions û My biggest gripe is that my high sec agent is giving me courierÆs missions with a low sec destination for 185K isk. Does CCP expect me to accept courier missions to low sec? You are damn right they will be declined. They shouldnÆt expect anyone to accept them and they shouldnÆt even be offered. Let me set this matter straight. If I donÆt want to go to low sec I wonÆt go. ItÆs that simple.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.04 00:59:00 - [413] Originally by: Viral Effect If I donÆt want to go to low sec I wonÆt go. ItÆs that simple. So because you won't go they shouldn't offer them? I'm sure other people are willing to man up, put a warp core stabiliser on their ship and set off to low sec.
Viral Effect Caldari BRAINDEAD Corp	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:09:00 - [414] Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas Originally by: Viral Effect If I donÆt want to go to low sec I wonÆt go. ItÆs that simple. So because you won't go they shouldn't offer them? I'm sure other people are willing to man up, put a warp core stabiliser on their ship and set off to low sec. "Man up" for 185K isk? Is anyone that stupid?
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.06.04 01:43:00 - [415] Originally by: Viral Effect "Man up" for 185K isk? Is anyone that stupid? Considering you run courier missions already, I suspect so. PS: A warp core stab is about 30k isk, so it would pay itself off in only one mission.
Wendelgard Gallente Herrscher der Zeit United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.04 06:57:00 - [416] Edited by: Wendelgard on 04/06/2010 07:04:09 I noted that in Tyrannis the targeting range of the vessels has apperently cut down. I have Long Range Targeting IV and in a Hurricane was used to lock targets within 54 kilomtres. By now I have to approach to 28 kilometres to lock the targets. A quick search in the patch notes lead to no results. I would be pleased if the state restore the patch was restored. Any other other information is also apprieciated. Thanks, Wendelgard
Kriorth	Posted - 2010.06.04 21:58:00 - [417] I think this new patch is awful. Before the patch, Most missions were in the same system as the agent. Now Most of them are not. Bad enough that this means we have to waste our time traveling, but now lvl 2 and 3 agents are sending us in to low sec to run missions. Nut just a few. But aout of 4 agents i was given 8 low sec missions out of 9 offered. I'm refusing more missions than i can accept.
JulianPhoenix	Posted - 2010.06.05 01:48:00 - [418] DO WHAT YOU DID WITH THE SCORPION TO THE RAVEN, MAKE IT SYMMETRICAL, AND GIVE IT THAT SLEEK BLACK FINISH. WITH ITS STATS AND THAT LOOK, IT WOULD BE THE BESTEST BS EVER.......EVUR!!!!!!!
Ex Infernaes	Posted - 2010.06.06 00:37:00 - [419] Originally by: Caladain Barton Originally by: Ahsekuaw Maybe you were too busy thinking up another classless music video. Again, this harkens back to professionalism. The Music video would be classy if CCP was kicking ass and taking names in their development. Since they aren't, it's become a mocking point. IF CCP kicks it up a notch..stops acting like a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears developers and actually kicks ass and takes names..then the playerbase wouldn't be a bunch of increasingly bitter and vocal people. Patch comes, patch is deployed, lag is not fixed. No update, no word, nothing. What happened CCP? Did you fire all your devs and now have a bunch of 30k a year developers? You guys were rocking all the way up until Dominion...you do realize this right? Apoc actually fixed the lag..1000v1000 was possible, 300v300 was nightly. I'm planning on securing my Mothership..then i'm unsubbing my accounts until lag gets fixed or CCP puts out a 'top-to-bottom' 'for the software-engineers out there' blog. You guys have messed up somewhere, and this patch reaks of hubris. Considering this post got the guy a 2 week forum ban, I'm gonna +1 it.
brianmctear	Posted - 2010.06.07 01:02:00 - [420] well im getting ****ed at the nerfing.....first they nirffed my missiles,,now the missions.....whats next nerf the mining.
Mortimer Civeri Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2010.06.08 01:27:00 - [421] Originally by: brianmctear well im getting ****ed at the nerfing.....first they nirffed my missiles,,now the missions.....whats next nerf the mining. Stealth nerf, when the new insurance payouts went live. Mineral prices are falling to the new base payout value. Say goodby to the mining profesion by humans, only bots will be left to mine.
Velocifero	Posted - 2010.06.08 10:49:00 - [422] Perhaps not a list topper. But seriously annoying, when you reply, or compose an eve mail in Eve Gate, 'returns' or paragraph spacings are not recognised and the mail is delivered without any gaps as one infinite string of text. This is surely a fairly simple issue, which has a big impact on the legibility of communications. At the moment it just encourages tl;dr response to messages. Would appreciate this being sorted. Since Eve Gate is web based and presumably doesn't require a client patch, I don't see this request as too far fetched.
Malek Treiss Caldari ECMasters	Posted - 2010.06.08 17:16:00 - [423] Planetary Interaction is TONS of fun! I LOVE the interface. I've never done POS/reactions before, but I bet they'd be a lot more fun if they "interacted" like this. Super cool!
Arvella Kadori Gallente Federal Legion	Posted - 2010.06.08 18:56:00 - [424] PI is simply awesome. But now CCP should delete all NPC-POS-Selling Orders to give the PI-Materials a real worth, Traders real wealth and Producers real Work. ;) But whatever, good stuff guys, good stuff....
Nyis Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.09 10:31:00 - [425] Hi Guys. I have two problems with the game, quite annoying. First, my medium slots look greyed out when I'm in space (not on the fitting window). My modules are up and running, functionning normally but greyed out, like they were offline. I tried everything, turning them offline and back on, unfitting/fitting, exiting station with nothing fitted, docking back in, fitting and exiting etc... Nothing seems to work. I also cleared the whole cache. Second, is on the map, sometimes, the "you are here" text simply is gone and nothing brings it back. I dunno if it's really the right topic for that, but maybe someone had the same issues ?
Ducky Love	Posted - 2010.06.09 13:00:00 - [426] Hi the planets i seeded are coming along nicely. Making the planet white by setting resource bar to the left will help you look for other players on the same planet.. Pressing their command center will show you their entire network.. Seems some high-sec systems that where quiet before seem to get loads more visitors
MoHawk Nephilium THE Perfectly Insane Tactical Unison Allied Forces	Posted - 2010.06.09 20:35:00 - [427] Originally by: ShadowMaiden Please reinstate ability to create folders in the contacts list. See no reason why this was removed. I agree 100% I'd also like to add a very annoying issue, besides the...Issue: A burst of static is heard when jumping through stargates or when docking. Same very loud noise will continually go on & on if your on auto pilot with 1 account, (while its minimized) & working with a 2nd account. Issue 2 is the ship fitting window is F-ed up! not sur of other ships/classes, but with T3's, loading a saved fit... well, lets just say the client will deside what it wants or does not want to fit
Markus Reese Caldari Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2010.06.10 00:36:00 - [428] I rather like the diversity that can be had with the productions and methods in PI, but I do have one beef. Using the launch pad in lowsec/null. Now I am a Blockade runner for the task, and I can understand uncloaking to pick up at the customs, however, needing to be in the planetary interface to access, then decloak without any sight or access to modules, or any visual interface to space is simply annoying to say the least.
menacemyth	Posted - 2010.06.10 01:28:00 - [429] Originally by: Markus Reese I rather like the diversity that can be had with the productions and methods in PI, but I do have one beef. Using the launch pad in lowsec/null. Now I am a Blockade runner for the task, and I can understand uncloaking to pick up at the customs, however, needing to be in the planetary interface to access, then decloak without any sight or access to modules, or any visual interface to space is simply annoying to say the least. You only need to decloak to move to/from the customs office. After that, warp away. Enter Planet mode from a safe distance and then move items onto the planet. You only need to be in system to launch to/from the customs office. then run by, scoop up you items and leave. You can enter planet mode using the planets on your overview or from the map. That being said, i think your just wanting the customs office to not decloak you. Sounds self centered to me
dtagbegtbhm	Posted - 2010.06.10 06:16:00 - [430] Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 10/06/2010 06:18:46 Thoughts for PI 1) allow the ability to select all the extractors at once and be able to set a global extraction timer instead of needing to individually hit each one. Doing this should also show on a table each extractor and the screen of times/extraction amounts so if you'd rather set say 4 of them to a 30 min cycle and 6 others to a 5 hour you can do it on one table with all the values in front of you. 2) Add in another timer period for the extractors, 30m, 5h, 23h, 96h you should also have either an 8 or a 10 hour cycle. Many of us work for 8-10 hours a day and a 5 hour cycle is much too short and a 23 hour pretty much is useless too. I'd want to run my extractors at 30 min cycles when I come home, not have them run super slow for a 23h period or not run at all for about 5 hours because they stopped early.
cannonfoddertee	Posted - 2010.06.10 10:44:00 - [431] are the manifest and numerous errors in Planetary Interaction deliberate? If you have messed something up really badly and players take advantage - do we have any protection against you arbitrarily fixing it to our disadvantage? and please can you let us know of how long you have the practical ability to retroactively fix things for?
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr InterSun Freelance	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:12:00 - [432] Originally by: dtagbegtbhm Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 10/06/2010 06:18:46 Thoughts for PI 1) allow the ability to select all the extractors at once and be able to set a global extraction timer instead of needing to individually hit each one. Doing this should also show on a table each extractor and the screen of times/extraction amounts so if you'd rather set say 4 of them to a 30 min cycle and 6 others to a 5 hour you can do it on one table with all the values in front of you. 2) Add in another timer period for the extractors, 30m, 5h, 23h, 96h you should also have either an 8 or a 10 hour cycle. Many of us work for 8-10 hours a day and a 5 hour cycle is much too short and a 23 hour pretty much is useless too. I'd want to run my extractors at 30 min cycles when I come home, not have them run super slow for a 23h period or not run at all for about 5 hours because they stopped early. ^^This
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient	Posted - 2010.06.10 11:32:00 - [433] I really like the artwork for the new planetary commodities. Besides that, the PI system functions good enough to work with. And hey, a perfect world doesn't exist, especially not in SF. If a SF story is about a perfect world, it is always really creepy... So if the EvE universe (including the game play) was to be perfect...
Koppar Berg Amarr Boogaloo Transportation Company	Posted - 2010.06.10 15:32:00 - [434] Tyrannis Expansion: PI is great in concept but I think the mechanic needs some tweaking to be more effective and sustainable in the long term. If the plan is to be moving extractors 5 times per day to keep production lines running to churn out a couple of trade goods, its going to be very tedious for one person to carry out efficiently. It should be thrown open to be managed on a corp level. In the current format and pricing levels, PI will keep interest for a short while before people get bored and realise they can make more ISK in 15 minutes killing bounty rats than in a whole month via PI and a big time sink. I'm all in favour of PI and love the concept, so I hope the issues surrounding it are addressed sooner rather than later. Opening up the whole EVE market is not a bad thing and to be honest there probably shouldn't be anything (raw materials wise) seeded by the NPC-market, the player base is sufficient in itself to find equilibrium in the market. I hope mining gets sorted out soon as its now dead in the water as a profession from where it was three years ago, by successive changes, drone lands, mission runners refining loot for mins, it's barely worth the effort with the exception of ice mining. Good job missions don't drop ice! Overall good job CCP.
Backfyre	Posted - 2010.06.10 16:30:00 - [435] Intial deployment of the PI engine looks good. This is a nice feature for the production hacks. Now the other PI shoe - need some serious balancing and UI improvement. PI is a nightmare for those wanting to run a POS or do T2 production. It is also too much of a click fest. With 5 planets, I have to start over 70 extractors each day. Using pre-Tyrannis pricing in a 0.5 system, starting those 70+ extractors gets me materials that amount to 250k in robotics and guidance systems each day. In the same amount of time, I can profit 10M with T2 invention & production or get 5M+ in bouties running missions. Suggestions: 1. boost the PI rates. This will improve the ISK/hour and make the POS people happy with a better supply. As it stands, I will be selling my robotics for 1M each, up from the 6800 ISK pre-Tyrannis prices. For each hisec plasma planet, I can make about 1 robotics per hour. We are headed for a serious shortage of these goods. 2. Have the extractors run full time so we don't have to start them each day. Let us pick start/stop/rate. Faster rate can give better yield at the expense of proportionally depleting the deposit faster. e.g. slow extraction depletes at 1:1 ratio whereas fast depletes at a 4:1 ratio. The cost benefit just is not there for the extractor click-fest. 2b. Actually, all extraction should be at the same rate. Let people control overall production speed by having different processor speeds. Faster speed == more waste and more powergrid usage, but you get it sooner. 3. add start/stop functionality to all nodes and don't pre-gobble resources. PI expansion suggestion: Add flavoring to the process by letting us use "optional" inputs, like slaves, drugs, and sheep, to twiddle colony bonuses. e.g. slaves could increase extractor productivity but increase advanced processor times. Other effect could be to change production ratios. Enough of the text wall for now
Tobin Shalim Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge	Posted - 2010.06.10 20:30:00 - [436] Make it so that you can create a route from a storage facility to a processor even if you don't have the required resource in the storage facility yet based on what the processors are extracting. Would work especially well for the second tier items that you're producing on a new production line/planet. ----- Originally by: Gierling Tech III is going to be "Fully modular" until someone crams the "EW Bonus" modules together with the "8 Midslots" modules...
Yeay Fritg Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth	Posted - 2010.06.11 12:01:00 - [437] Entrapment Array Catch nothing at all in Drones Region http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1334526
Backfyre	Posted - 2010.06.11 13:27:00 - [438] emphasis because it is a show-stopper: Takes 10 minutes to start all the extractors on 1 planet. Having 5 planets, that eats 30% to 100% of my game time allotment on a given day. The 96 hour total extraction sucks to the point that doing staggered 96 hour cycles it is not a serious option. Looks like PI is DOA in my world. Perhaps CCP can bring out the crash cart.
Shidhe Minmatar The Babylon5 Consortuim	Posted - 2010.06.11 22:44:00 - [439] Watching the market in PI goods will be really interesting. Will the POS consumables go astronomic due to demand? Or will the others collapse in price due to lack of demand? Or both? This is really hard to call. Predicting that there will be a big difference in demand (dangerous game, predicting), I might make a suggestion: Lots more of the trade goods could be used in PI when populations go live - foodstuffs (wheat...) , fertiliser, ground vehicles etc. More complex economies with more sinks are more stable and more profitable.
Hurin Darkfire Minmatar Trans Corp Enterprises	Posted - 2010.06.12 07:50:00 - [440] Originally by: dtagbegtbhm Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 10/06/2010 06:18:46 Thoughts for PI 1) allow the ability to select all the extractors at once and be able to set a global extraction timer instead of needing to individually hit each one. Doing this should also show on a table each extractor and the screen of times/extraction amounts so if you'd rather set say 4 of them to a 30 min cycle and 6 others to a 5 hour you can do it on one table with all the values in front of you. 2) Add in another timer period for the extractors, 30m, 5h, 23h, 96h you should also have either an 8 or a 10 hour cycle. Many of us work for 8-10 hours a day and a 5 hour cycle is much too short and a 23 hour pretty much is useless too. I'd want to run my extractors at 30 min cycles when I come home, not have them run super slow for a 23h period or not run at all for about 5 hours because they stopped early. hit it on the head right here.... another little thing if possible is if a link or node is removed and another link is already in place to the orginal destination of other nodes can we not have to reroute all the items again
Wendelgard Gallente Herrscher der Zeit United Front Alliance	Posted - 2010.06.12 21:00:00 - [441] I am mission the circle in the star map which indicates me where I am currently located. I found this feature extremely handy as it allowed one on long travels to determine in the map at a glance the progress of the voyage. Thanks, Wendelgard
dtagbegtbhm	Posted - 2010.06.13 04:05:00 - [442] Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 13/06/2010 04:24:35 Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 13/06/2010 04:20:10 Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 13/06/2010 04:11:04 Edited by: dtagbegtbhm on 13/06/2010 04:08:27 To add to my list Thoughts for PI 1) allow the ability to select all the extractors at once and be able to set a global extraction timer instead of needing to individually hit each one. Doing this should also show on a table each extractor and the screen of times/extraction amounts so if you'd rather set say 4 of them to a 30 min cycle and 6 others to a 5 hour you can do it on one table with all the values in front of you. 2) Add in another timer period for the extractors, 30m, 5h, 23h, 96h you should also have either an 8 or a 10 hour cycle. Many of us work for 8-10 hours a day and a 5 hour cycle is much too short and a 23 hour pretty much is useless too. I'd want to run my extractors at 30 min cycles when I come home, not have them run super slow for a 23h period or not run at all for about 5 hours because they stopped early. 3) After doing this for nearly a week I've found that a lot of time is wasted just in setting the extractors, now this is connected to my first point, but improves it. Put in a queue for extractors if you don't want to put in another timer period or alter the drop rates. Allow us to set if we wish up to a week's time in the queue in however a format we wish. Now this would be different than say the skill training queue where you click in blocks of time in that it would allow for that but it would also allow for your to set the extractors to work at a 30 min cycle every 30 min for a week with one click, not one per extractor. To be honest CCP, it takes 10 minutes a planet at the current setup and that's moving fast and rapid clicking, at 6 planets, that's a damn hour and if you're running them at 30 min cycles then it's non-stop so you actually never play. This is why we need these changes now, please. Streamline PI make it take functionally the least amount of time or realistically you'll take more and more flak as people give up. 4) Another issue...for extractors, if you for some reason misclick the interval you want even if it's the 10th one you did there is NO way to change that even in edit mode. You have to cancel all the changes and start over or you have to submit each change as you go which also takes an insane amount of time. Let us edit the extractors and edit the interval while we're still in edit mode, don't lock it in on the first click. 5) Thanks to Hurin Darkfire Nodes and links - when we decomission a node be it a processor or extractor or whichever, don't auto-kill all the links if other nodes are using them, DO give us the option to do that or to downgrade an upgraded link if it is no longer needed or to keep it as is and remove just the node. 6) In relation to POS fuel and the market, not even touching on the various sov modules and structures. The production rate is simply too slow/the output is too little to sustain the market as it is. If your goal is to remove NPC supply you need to drastically raise the output of the processors. At current in 0.0 on a pretty decent planet, you barely get enough produced to cover 1 large tower (non faction or sov bonuses into account as many POSes are in lowsec and not faction) So as you have it currently all the 0.0 alliances will have barely enough POS fuel for a few vital towers, but not nearly enough extra to sell to the market to supply those who don't have 0.0 sov. I also did PI in high sec and low sec and the extractor rates there are so pitiful the processors rarely run at full capacity, unless you're permaspam clicking 30 minute cycles, which means there will be a severe shortage. You, CCP, really need to look into this, it has many concerned. Take into account this is JUST POS fuel, several parts that make up POS fuel also make up the P4 components, there won't be nearly enough at the current to cover POS fuel and make those components.
ilana desari	Posted - 2010.06.13 14:23:00 - [443] Hello! First I wanted to thank you for the new expansion! The added features are great and the new PI system is a breath of fresh air (maybe not financially, but it's nifty). However, one thing I wanted to touch on was the feature where Agents are sending mission runners into lower populated systems (or rather, low-sec). Having ran in the deep high-sec systems before, I know how populated they were (loot thieves, gankers, war-dec pvp, local spam, lag, etc) and strove to find a system far and away to mission by myself. Finally, I came across some systems that I could settle in just fine. Every once in a while, I'd be offered a mission into low-sec, but of course I could just decline and be on my merry way. However, I'm having the hardest time getting missions that AREN'T low-sec. It's as if my Agent(s) has a fetish, actually. It's turned in to a "Decline two missions, go to next agent. Decline two missions, go to next agent. Decline two missions, go to next agent." Soon enough I run out of agents and I realize I just spent 2 hours traveling the galaxy for nothing. My play time is gone and I have but a couple missions to show for it. Sure, I could just do lower and lower quality agents...but is that what I have to do to play? Invest my hours to play with higher quality agents, just to reverse my investment? I thought people who put their time in are suppose to get more money, not less! I'm not sure if this was intentional, though by the lack of responses I suppose it may. But the only answer I can come up with, is going back to the deep high-sec agents. If I do that though, it seems it would be defeating the purpose of this new system you've created (spreading congestion among systems). What am I to do? Go against the purpose of your system and resort to deep high-sec? Or end my mission running after 30 minutes due to being decline-locked? Or I suppose I could run missions in low-sec, but I know first-hand how that will turn out. I may get a couple missions done safely, but once I lose my ship I'm much more in debt then when I started =( Just my 2-cents. P.S. Also the 'loot nerf' whine is exaggerated IMO. Missions are perhaps too profitable for how easy they are (for an experienced pilot) and this nerf is adequate. I have not seen a significant drop in my paycheck, be it blitzing or using my marauder to loot/salvage. I can still finance pvp ships just fine =P
Shadow51585	Posted - 2010.06.13 18:57:00 - [444] Loving PI so far, but everything that was said 2 posts up hits it on the head. I was going to post some ideas, but many have been said already. So I will just give the brief version of what I was going to say, as I think we all are on the same page on potential improvements. Quite simply, PI is awesome, well worth it, and a very sound idea for every player, but.... 1) Need more resources produced per production run. I have been running Robotics since PI began, and even spreading the collectors out between planets, maximizing my extractors, and having multiple members producing items for fuel only makes so many. It's not enough to keep our POS's running, so we are still dependant on the NPC market and at this rate we will continue to be for a long time. High level materials are coming up short. Simple stuff like Oxygen and Coolant are not so bad, but self-made higher tiered products are going to be in short supply and will see a huge price spike if we do not increase the amount you get per production run. 2) Need to be able to upgrade a command center without having to destroy the entire network. Couldn't I be able to just pay the amount that a new one would cost to upgrade the old one and keep my network, so I can then add to it with the new capacity? 3) Need more options to be able to extract at more intervals then the 4 that are there now. There should at least be a step between 23 hours and 96 hours. 4) Need a universal click to extract with all similar processors at the same rate if I so choose. Clicking on 12+ extractors and having them all extract at the same rate is very tedious. 5) Need to be able to edit the extraction rate on the fly to a new one instead of having to wait 96 hours (or destroy the processor and build a new one) if I accidentally click the wrong timer or change my mind. Keep up the good work, and thanks for PI!
D13s 1r43	Posted - 2010.06.14 06:44:00 - [445] I'm enjoying PI so far, but the only concern I have is that it's way too easy to max out my powergrid on a command center while leaving too much CPU, usually half to 2/3 used when I max my powergrid. Everything's great, I'd just ask that command centers get a touch more PG, or the modules use less of it.
dtagbegtbhm	Posted - 2010.06.14 21:33:00 - [446] Further points... 6) Allow us to clear the built in storage on processors and route those extra resources back to the command center or silo or launch pad. Whenever I find that I need to change or remove a processor it turns out I have to waste the resources in the built in storage at the processor when I decommission it instead of being able to save it.

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