oh please, you can fill an expanded Iteron V with GêP titan blueprints so they should have GêP EHP

Well that strategy mostly works, if you use a damage control unit If you don't use one, might not be worth getting the extra life from lvl 5 skills. Even then, you might still be gankable, so the entire effort is worthless.

Because they are too afraid to be lame. I am not that way, but they are. It is kind of irksome they are that way, but who knows what to do about it.

alright,, I guess i have to spell it out for you. Its obviously not supposed to be a viable profession. This has been confirmed by a DEV. Only with recent changes has minger ganking become reliably profitable, an obvious mistake. A dev TOLD YOU and you are still here saying the sky is black. Anyway, I'm done wasting my time arguing with forum dwellers that can't grasp risk/reward, simple concepts and other perspectives. Have fun dedicating your life to posting here, arguing like a radio.

oh please, you can fill an expanded Iteron V with GêP titan blueprints so they should have GêP EHP

were talking about reliable profitability here and common occurrences. You can't go out daily and find cargholds full of loot like you can find miners in nearly every system in high sec.

ugh, why do i do it?

So now the problem is being gankable at all. I see. I thought you were OK with suicide ganks, just not profitable ones.

were talking about reliable profitability here and common occurrences. You can't go out daily and find cargholds full of loot like you can find miners in nearly every system in high sec.

ugh, why do i do it?

Because most of the people who move 500m ISK of stuff do it in a tanked or cloaked hauler, or something fast enough to not get caught.

The miners still persist in leaving their 500m ISK ships untanked.

The problem here is not game mechanics, the problem is miners.

were talking about reliable profitability here and common occurrences. You can't go out daily and find cargholds full of loot like you can find miners in nearly every system in high sec.

ugh, why do i do it?

Now they're whining about crystals and cargo space, because the Hulk's no longer super convenient as well as super tanky and the best yielding ship in the game all at the same time.

Well good point, a lot of views and gameplay kind of flows back and forth during these discussions, and its hard to always be in one flow.

I don't really support ganking being profitable, unless it npc ganking. Kind of like how missions are or ratting. (But people usually get bored ganking NPCs unless its a main boss or something. Like Sansha herself appearing in an incursion, people might line up to gank her.)

The other flow or gameplay, is how overwhelming the gankers seem to be. It seems like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave or go away. That gameplay is the one I was talking about in that post. Like has been said here, even if ganking was unprofitable, pilots would still try to gank you. Which ends up leaving you feel, like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave ya alone.

they're also whining about CCP "kneeling to the gankers" and mostly taking away the hulk's idiot-proof tank

it's like a massive overload in irony

Well good point, a lot of views and gameplay kind of flows back and forth during these discussions, and its hard to always be in one flow.

I don't really support ganking being profitable, unless it npc ganking. Kind of like how missions are or ratting. (But people usually get bored ganking NPCs unless its a main boss or something. Like Sansha herself appearing in an incursion, people might line up to gank her.)

The other flow or gameplay, is how overwhelming the gankers seem to be. It seems like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave or go away. That gameplay is the one I was talking about in that post. Like has been said here, even if ganking was unprofitable, pilots would still try to gank you. Which ends up leaving you feel, like you are surrounded by them, and they will never leave ya alone.

It felt like fitting bubbles on a hic, but you know you are only flying in low sec space.

The only place where ganking is overwhelming is these forums. In the game itself ganking is a rather rare event outside hulkageddon.

let me tell you about the script you fit on that module

as for the rest of your post, I thought ganking was LITERALLY MAKING THE GAME UNPLAYABLE

but no one can promise that, so fitting a tank is boring and almost pointless.

I did mine in a tanked mining vessel once. But no one ganked me so everytime I undocked with a tank on I felt stupid. It felt like fitting bubbles on a hic, but you know you are only flying in low sec space.

If you could promise me everytime I undock someone would attempt to gank me, unprofitalbe or profitable I would fit a tank. (and not feel stupid)

but no one can promise that, so fitting a tank is boring and almost pointless.

Of course I was ice mining, I realized there are only a few places to mine ice, so its popular to go there to gank, Easy to find prey or its automatic to have some. So I will either not mine ice, or perhaps fit a tank to mine ice, depending if I feel a tank keeps me safe enough. Otherwise, I will propably bugger off to places harder to find prey, so gankers lose the sense of excitement, and I can mine in my own fashion.

It was, but you adapt as you said.

The only place where ganking is overwhelming is these forums. In the game itself ganking is a rather rare event outside hulkageddon.

Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.

Its amazing how few people have taken up this offer.

So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.

i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks

i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out

i paid out like 5b the other day for like 4 days worth of ganks

i also convinced the guy who was handling your perma-mwd megathron reimbursement request to pay it out

Umm you do realize Goonswarm was paying extra bounties for mining barge and exhumer kills? the whole hulkagedon forever thing.

Probably why its members are complaining about the changes so much, less people will gank miners (at their current payout levels), so less exhumers needed to be manufactured, so less tech needed (They have already said that Alchemy will not be a profitable substitute for tech) so less profit for the tech moon owners.

So in the end it comes down to Mining ship changes bad for tech moon owners business.