So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

So, you are saying that ships can't be used for any other purpose other than what they were made for?

If I want to mine in a destroyer I will mine in a destroyer, you're not the one who tells me what I'm allowed to do.

Exactly what I said. Will admit there brainwashing must be good, you don't even realize you look like a mindless drone.

Right now, your refusal to present your evidence simply makes it look like you have none.

No the fact you are entering new posts into what essentially is the evidence just makes you look like a mindless drone, unable to think for yourself but I am sure your masters appreciate the service.

The rare, clever miner who tanked his Hulk; well, he weathered the storm - and reaped the benefits as mineral prices rose.

100% agreement is.

So go ahead and prove 100% agreement.

Yawn...

I'm not forcing you to keep digging yourself in deeper by making more and more outlandish claims. You're making those claims all by yourself.

Fair enough I will just rub your nose in it on the next thread, after your masters decide they want something nerfed or buffed.

What I said was that if a ship is effectively entirely outclassed by another ship in their class, then either they're underpowered or the ship outclassing them is overpowered. In the case of the Skiff, the Mackinaw has a better Yield, a bigger Ore bay, and tanks enough that Suicide Ganking operates at a significant loss. So the Skiff is effectively entirely outclassed. Buffing the Mack doesn't do anything, because the issue is that, for mining, tank after a certain point doesn't really matter, and buffing the other 2 useful stats just makes it another Mackinaw. So, to fix the problem of the Skiff being outclassed by ships that are supposed to be different, yet equal, you have to fix the overpowered buff to the EHP of Mackinaws and (to a lesser extent) Hulks.

It's very difficult to fit 7 Tachs to Geddon and deal 1100 dps at 50km. Nerf the Nightmare!

Do you want this rebalance thing canceled? Do you want the old system back? The one where experienced players told new miners to train to Retriever as soon as possible and then skip everything else and go straight to Hulk.

You had a chance to speak up but you didn't. Changes were on SiSi long before patch landed on live server.

Solution: reduce Mack's tanked EHP to 10k.

Problem solved!

Point to where someone involved in this thread (other than you) suggested that.

Though yes, that would solve this specific problem (and lead to a new problem of the Skiff overshadowing everything because of it's 15k m3 Ore Hold).

Reduce Skiff's ore hold to 1000 m3. And EHP to 2k.

Problem solved!

I know what you're trying to do: you try to make suicide ganking a viable profession.

Welcome. back

And yes, I am. Because otherwise, HS mining is a risk free enterprise. Risk free enterprises aren't good for the game. Is there some reason why HS miners deserve to be the only people in the game who run no risk of loss in the performance of their economic activities?

Wow, lots of folks failed critical thinking...

All Pipa is saying is that since the Mack can tank enough to survive a cost based gank (and is great all other ways), there is no reason to fly a Skiff for mining.

And he's right. The only people who fly Skiffs are those who are either: 1) foolish, 2) not mining with it, or 3) bored and like its colors better than the Mack...


Sure, the Skiff has a great tank. But because the Mack can tank very well, and will almost always (if not always) mine better than the Skiff, the Skiff has not been sufficiently balanced (or the Mack hasn't...).

Personally, I really have no problem with the Skiff, in concept.

But the Mackinaw (and Retriever) was overbuffed to the point where it overshadowed all others.
Its pretty clear that miners value the AFK-cargobay above all other assets.

Easiest solution to this mess?

SWITCH the Hulk and Mackinaw's EHP.

Hulk already requires miner attention - via its small, rapidly filled Ore Bay.

Mackinaw has huge cargobay - but make it more vulnerable to ganking.
Miners naturally want to AFK with it, yet the lower EHP puts them at risk to ganking, forcing them to keep an eye on things.

Some semblance of tension and balance is achieved.

REAL TIERICIDE:
Hulk - fastest miner, 2nd most EHP - balanced by pain in the ass Ore bay.
Mack - weakest EHP, maximum cargo - AFK-ability balanced by risk of ganking.
Skiff - highest EHP, less cargo, less yield - for mining when you know ganking is going on.

This way, there is no longer a 'slam dunk' decision, pushing everyone out of Hulks and into Macks.

Personally, I really have no problem with the Skiff, in concept.

But the Mackinaw (and Retriever) was overbuffed to the point where it overshadowed all others.
Its pretty clear that miners value the AFK-cargobay above all other assets.

Easiest solution to this mess?

SWITCH the Hulk and Mackinaw's EHP.

Hulk already requires miner attention - via its small, rapidly filled Ore Bay.

Mackinaw has huge cargobay - but make it more vulnerable to ganking.
Miners naturally want to AFK with it, yet the lower EHP puts them at risk to ganking, forcing them to keep an eye on things.

Some semblance of tension and balance is achieved.

REAL TIERICIDE:
Hulk - fastest miner, 2nd most EHP - balanced by pain in the ass Ore bay.
Mack - weakest EHP, maximum cargo - AFK-ability balanced by risk of ganking.
Skiff - highest EHP, less cargo, less yield - for mining when you know ganking is going on.

This way, there is no longer a 'slam dunk' decision, pushing everyone out of Hulks and into Macks.

Hulk is underperforming in relation to both the Skiff and the Mack. Switching the tank would solve this.

Thank you for viruses.



So, make so that suicide ganking barges/exhumers doesn't involve any investment from gankers. Means barges/exhumers should be gankable with noobships.

Perfect solution for the game about griefing risk averse people. Doesn't break the game in any way.

Oh, and make it so that if you gank with noobship Concord doesn't spawn.

REAL TIERICIDE:
Hulk - fastest miner, 2nd most EHP - balanced by pain in the ass Ore bay.
Mack - weakest EHP, maximum cargo - AFK-ability balanced by risk of ganking.
Skiff - highest EHP, less cargo, less yield - for mining when you know ganking is going on.

This way, there is no longer a 'slam dunk' decision, pushing everyone out of Hulks and into Macks.

Triple the yield -> problem solved!

Drop EHP to ~3k.