I like the carebear dynamic CCP is pushing here.

Miners: "Mine all you want, you don't have to tank - or even pay attention anymore - here's your ISK."

Gankers: "Under no circumstances will you be allowed to profit from ganking miners. Here's your nerf."

Mining in highsec was already incredibly safe. Its just that miners are incredibly slow to learn and incredibly quick to fire-up the whine-tank.

Plus we have DEVs who pop-off in the forums without even understanding the concept of 'profitable' ganking.

So then tank, don't be a ******* moron.

It should have never been a possibility for a destroyer to solo gank an EXHUMER in the first place. Barge..maybe, but not a weak destroyer a week old character could get into ganking the highest tier mining ship you could possibly ever train for. It made zero sense.

I do tank. But pre patch even a fully tanked hulk could be ganked by 2 low sp players in catalysts.
It's a serious balancing issue which would easily drive players to quit. Not saying ganking shouldn't be possible...of course it should but not to the extent that it was.
And now that griefers can't make any isk off of it...they are whining about it. Even if all it takes is a few more destroyers, it would seem most of them are to dumb to actually get a few more people together to do so.

FFS. You people just don't know how to read. CCP said themselves that all the ships are being rebalanced... it was just the time for barges/exhumers. How do you all know when it comes time to redo destroyers or battlecruisers that they wont get a buff that makes them strong enough to gank miners the way you used to?

And finally, you grifer/ganker/crybabies need to stop thinking you're entitled to have the game run the way YOU think it should, this isn't your game.

It wouldn't have been possible if the miners didn't fly their ships with no defences at all. Even t3 cruisers can be blown up by a gank destroyers if the have zero tank mods fitted. The only thing that makes zero sense is the miners feeling entitaled to safety without putting any effort into it.

I do tank. But pre patch even a fully tanked hulk could be ganked by 2 low sp players in catalysts.

HAHA, you aren't even defending the patch anymore.

"Well, barges got a ridiculous buff - but who knows, maybe battlecruisers will get one too..."

Sure thing buddy. Weak argument.
I highly doubt the DEVs are sitting there saying:

"Ok, battlecruiser 'rebalance' - Give Tornado/Tempest 25K Alpha. Check!"

Really.

EVEN tanked, exhumers were too weak. They are not too strong now...the only reason anyone has an issue with it is because you can't make profit off it anymore.

Whatever you say Herr Wilkus, more of your nonsense. Keep crying over changes instead of maybe recommending changes in a positive way...it's sure to work eventually.

Whatever you say Herr Wilkus, more of your nonsense. Keep crying over changes instead of maybe recommending changes in a positive way...it's sure to work eventually.

Nonsense? Aren't you the one that said a prepatch 'fully tanked Hulk' dies to two low-skill Catalysts?

Because I have a pretty firm grasp on the mechanics of ganking and tanking - I can recommend adjustments.
You, obviously, do not when you make clearly false statements. Just another butthurt miner.

Either way, its pretty clear that, on its face, that CCP botched the Aug 8 patch and massively overbuffed the Mack and the Retriever.

Before Aug 8, we saw plenty of Hulks and Mackinaws in highsec. Two out of 3 ain't bad.
Now? We almost exclusively find Mackinaws in the belts.

GJ, CCP, nice 'balance'.

Only thing that will do is force botters into the skiff and make it even more hard for you to kill them.
So you get back the easier targets of players who don't tank their exhumers, but force the botters into harder to kill ships. That makes a worse situation than the one that already exists.

The skiff mines the least and the hold is rather small. The bots will either continue with macks, roll retriver fleets because of their ease. The only reason they swapped to the macks from hulks is because of the cargo hold change.

Has a 100k ehp if tanked, 15,000 ore hold and a 200% bonus to yield. Bots don't care if they lose a tiny bit of yield...they are not actually playing.

Only thing that will do is force botters into the skiff and make it even more hard for you to kill them.
So you get back the easier targets of players who don't tank their exhumers, but force the botters into harder to kill ships. That makes a worse situation than the one that already exists.

Giving the Mackinaw the lowest EHP of the three would force miners to make an actual decision.

Adapt or die Heir Wilkens! Quit whining for damm sakes

Sure... and while you're at it, rename it "Gankercandy"... you know, potentially the most ore in it's hold... most probably alone when encountered... AND lowest EHP, of course.

Come on!

Sure... and while you're at it, rename it "Gankercandy"... you know, potentially the most ore in it's hold... most probably alone when encountered... AND lowest EHP, of course.

Come on!

Oh wait....
1. Nothing drops from 'special' cargo bays. Code needs badly to be updated, just like the Orca Corp Hangar.
But.....CCP tends to be lazy about fixing stuff that benefits 'the wrong customers'. You know, the people the game was originally marketed for......

2. Tanking is something you can do by yourself, so being alone is hardly an issue.

Being AFK, however - IS an issue.
Certainly not something that CCP should be actively encouraging through lazy or indulgent ship design.

Yet it is exactly this style of play that miners are defending most vigorously.....

EVEN tanked, exhumers were too weak. They are not too strong now...the only reason anyone has an issue with it is because you can't make profit off it anymore.

Every single person who says this in response to what we have to say about this patch is a damn hypocrite and they know it.

Adapt or die Heir Wilkens! Quit whining for damm sakes

So, if I were to check your posting history, I'd see your posts telling the miners to adapt or die when suicide ganking became popular?

So, if I were to check your posting history, I'd see your posts telling the miners to adapt or die when suicide ganking became popular?

I tank my Exhumers, or back to rule number 1, mine in a BS

I didn't ask whether you adapted, I asked whether you told other miners to adapt and quit whining.