It did not make any sense to charge a fee before this because it was profitable for the most part.

CCP is changing the dynamics so this is a viable option.

You can not PvP combat with war ships for a living. It will drain your funds. As should ganking miners. As said by CCP.

"miners don't use orcas"

a thing vv, noted expert on miners, believes

"miners don't use orcas"

a thing vv, noted expert on miners, believes

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field:

Link

Pray tell, why do you think this?

Ganking-for-profit and/or making a "career" of same is arguably one of the last few remaining examples of truly emergent gameplay left in hisec, IMHO.

You've nerfed everything else into the ground, and the more pants-on-head ("Suspect-flag" but "suspect" can't shoot back without sec-loss and/or CONCORDokken--What. The. F-word????!!!) aspects of the proposed Crimewatcg thingy look to only make this effectively carved in stone if implemented.

No, really:

No troll, dead serious:

Why do you think this?

Nerfing emergent gameplay is very bad, OK?

yeah it's more important for miners to get that 500m orca mindlink than it is to get, say, a +3% cpu hardwiring

IMHO the devs do not think of it as emergent game play but rather exploitive game play. Nice try though with an attempt to define it in preferable terms.

In order to show splashy numbers you put everything in your EFT theorycraft book, anyway, no?

because gimping your ~isk/hr~ in low/null is pointless considering that you're almost undoubtedly screwed if you get tackled

also fyi the best anom/mission fits generally pull it off with like one invuln and a booster, they don't overtank

There's max 2-3 Orcas in a ice system with 100 in local and they have 3-4 ships around. Ah, when I was there one of those Orcas was mine.

That's still a whole lot of EHP. It's three t2 cats in a 0.5-0.7 system and two tornados in 0.9-1.0. And it's before the buff.

have you bothered to check the cost of those implants

i assure you that the total cost is like 50m, total chump change compared to, say, an orca + ganglinks + mindlink

Besides... CCP was worried about lack of mining/miners, so they buff miners by giving them stronger ships, so they could go for full yield without worrying about destroyer ganks - that isn't unreasonable way to boost them at all.

The only "profitable" ganking was untanked, max-yield cargo-expanded hulks and mackinaws. If someone was to pay people to keep all miners out of the belts, that was possible too (Blue Ice interdiction is the most memorable case).



Nope. The barge buff means that it is much harder to blow up mining ships, which means that you'll need to pay people a lot more money to keep your competition out of the belts. Along with this will be a fall in the value of minerals, so it won't be worth as much to you to get the competition out of the belts.



Yet datacore harvesting was moved to FW to make FW profitable for the participants. Faction warfare is profitable if you're not stupid about losing ships. PvP is always profitable if you can get more ISK from the other pilot's loot and salvage than it cost you to blow up that ship.

Now feel free to complain that I've quoted you out of context.

The dedicated Tengu PLUS Orca were in the screen shot, they cost somewhat more than 50M

"you must have one orca per miner" - vv, 2012

One where once you pulled the trigger you knew you had everything covered and would make out like a bandit.

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field: GǪ

as opposed to miners who aren't even watching the client, let alone local

as opposed to miners who aren't even watching the client, let alone local

Because L4 mission runners and PI players or hi sec anom farmers need to rabidly watch the client and squeeze out their eyes on local...

Local really doesn't help in highsec vs random gankers.

Orcas are the core of most mining fleets I see in the belts, regardless of whether they are accompanied by two hulks or two dozen mackinaws. People bring Orcas for the logistical benefits: not having to warp back to station every few cycles means you get a higher harvesting efficiency. The fleets with more than a half-dozen exhumers are often accompanied by a gang booster ship such as a Tengu.

I'm not sure where you get this idea that "nobody bar 1% of the player base" will use boosting ships or Orcas.

Local really doesn't help in highsec vs random gankers.

"that negative sec flagged guy entering my belt in a catalyst must be here to mine with me"

all these guys think eve is real life.
its a ******* game lol
calm down and play and stop being such wieners

You put an implicit or. I put an explicit and: Tengu, implants and Orcas.

*miner launches medium ECM drones and permajams one of the catalysts, flubbing the gank entirely*