also go find me an amarr battleship fit that can fit a full rack of t2 tachyons while having a tank that isn't abysmal

oracles don't count because their tank is abysmal by design

nerf friends

i'm sorry that hiseccers are so averse to social interaction that they can't make friends

in the meantime we'll just gank your afk mining ships with more than 2 catalysts

So what you are saying is that we need a short range higher yield ice miner to allow an alternative like amarr BS have?

Cam I see the numbers?

Of course, because every single Goon profits from tech (and not just the alliance as a whole).

wow look at you missing the point

it's called CHOICES

we trolled a lot about hulkageddon fattening our pockets, but it wasn't true

hulks didn't sell any better during hulkageddon than before

no, what you presented wasn't a choice, it was pretty much evidence if you want a tank you sacrifice the entire purpose of the ship.

But don't take my word for anything, since I'm obviously a Goon pet and bow down to their every bidding.

Sorry I should say your reimbursement program will take a hit... Which in the long run could affect your fighting policy

i missed the part where the mackinaw isn't able to mine because it's tanked

i mean the purpose of it is to mine, isn't it?

Its true you used to run the nc with mm now you are no better then firmius ixon...

let's go back to the mwd drake, to get it cap stable do you give up t2 launchers? no, you don't because it's a combat ship who's most valuable assets are it's guns.

on a similar note, to tank a mining ship you wouldn't give up your t2 ice harvesters, you'd give up the ihus like the drake would downsize to meta 4 shield extenders if it was a fitting issue, or you'd drop a ballistic control unit for a capacitor thing if you were lacking cap stability.

it wouldn't be acceptable for a combat ship to lose it's t2 guns, so why should it be acceptable for a mining ship to lose it's t2 high slots?

okay, here is one with t2 harvesters

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

i missed the part where the mackinaw isn't able to mine because it's tanked

i mean the purpose of it is to mine, isn't it?

much better, perfectly acceptable fitting. there's no way 2k ehp is worth downsizing to t1 harvesters.

edit: now how about one for some one that doesn't have 4 accounts for boosters?

Sort of like 0.0? It is not like you need to gimp your ISK/h in 0.0/lowsec, just to avoid risk in lowsec/null. Even lvl4ing Raven doesn't need to do that. And it is not like the hulks will became ungankable...

it's more like stepping down to V220s on a Hurricane to fit a plate, yes, people do that

the tengu boost only nets you like 5k ehp

Also, I'd like to think this thread - which has giving many carebears their first taste of tears - will go on to inspire all sorts of crazy shenanigans as they desperately try to feed the new-found addiction...

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Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).

okay, here is one with t2 harvesters

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

it's not, because downsizing guns drops the dps but increases the tracking etc. you don't gain anything for downsizing mining high slots. ninja edit: hurricane uses projectiles so it's optimal as well as tracking if med projectiles work like small projectiles.

so, realistically you're getting what, 24k ehp from a mack with fitting implants and not gimping your yield to oblivion. that's reasonable i suppose.

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field:

Link

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field:

Link

i guess the 99% will otherwise have to cope with getting ganked, then

obviously CCP disagrees because they're aiming to make hisec nearly risk-free