the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap

the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK

as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"

cripes

seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

Hey guys here are two command ships that increase damage, you are SO owned

Oh wait it doesn't ah well no biggie don't quote me on that it doesn't matter

and which of your fleet doctrines use t1 guns because of fitting requirements?
sacrificing ihus for tank isn't a problem, high slots really should not be subject to the same absurdity because i'll wager the answer to my above question is none. (yes you may have alternative t1 fittings for low sp players, that's not the same thing though)

the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap

the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK

as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"

cripes

Skiff gets some insane numbers like 70k ehp.

That's not a compromise that's a neutering.

and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same

the equivalent here isn't necessarily using t1 guns but going down a size, from, say, 1400s to 1200s

please stop making these dumb comparisons between combat ships and ships that literally pay for themselves

Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.

Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.

"no really guys i was proven right when an external event caused the change i predicted"

tech was rising right before the nerf was announced. i know this, because buys had formed a solid wall that allowed us to dump massive amounts of tech right down to the new equilibrium price

also lawling at you claiming "if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k" is a prediction

"if it goes up i was right because of a, if it goes down i was right because of b BEHOLD MY UNFALSIFIABLE PREDICTION"

seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

i'll stop making dumb comparisons when you stop posting dumb fits.

Your solid wall is called "market extension" and is a precursor to a deep dive.

seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself"

Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech

Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech

we trolled a lot about hulkageddon fattening our pockets, but it wasn't true

hulks didn't sell any better during hulkageddon than before

why is it a dumb fit? because it doesn't have max yield and 30k ehp?

i hope that's not what you're saying because if so go try doing that yourself, hint, you can't

god forbid hisec miners have to make *gasp* DECISIONS

Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech

"my hulk should tank like a damnation because it costs as much as one, it should do as much dps as an astarte because it costs as much as one, and it should make no sacrifices in yield because it's expensive"

sorry if i disagree with your arbitrary definitions of "compromise" and "neutering" but you're wrong here

and hey if a yield-fit mining ship pays for itself before it gets ganked, well, working as ******* intended

no, because it doesn't even attempt to have a half decent yield let alone a max yield. ****, i'm somewhat surprised that it actually had both harvesters.

we trolled a lot about hulkageddon fattening our pockets, but it wasn't true

hulks didn't sell any better during hulkageddon than before