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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:03:00 -
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Quote:You forgot Lokis and Tengus!
i seem to have missed all of those t3s running around with 5 command processors and somehow managing to fit them all a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1710
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:06:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Yeah Drakes are known for being the weakest ship in game, the one bound to all sorts of sacrifices and compromises. okay go show me that mythical 100k ehp drake that does 500 dps and has a 100k ehp tank and 80% resists across the board while having a web and point
This will happen the day you show me that mythical 30k EHP Mack that got 10k cargo size and mines like a pro.
On an unrelated note, since you guys preach how this is a TEAM GAME then why would a Drake in your blobfest have to fit point and web? Don't you bring in flocks of Rifters for that? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:09:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:This will happen the day you show me that mythical 30k EHP Mack that got 10k cargo size and mines like a pro.
On an unrelated note, since you guys preach how this is a TEAM GAME then why would a Drake in your blobfest have to fit point and web? Don't you bring in flocks of Rifters for that?
yes, we have other tackling ships so that mainline fleet ships don't have to give up midslots for tackle
how that is relevant in a discussion of "ships have to give up tank or utility to increase damage/mining/whatever yield" is beyond me
also I never said that any mining ship anywhere can fit a tank and still get maximum yield, I said that they give up yield for it
that is somehow a problem in eve online, a game of tradeoffs a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1710
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:13:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
No, because there are many ways to scan ships without anyone knowing they've been scanned. Good gankers will rarely let you know anything beyond that they are in local.
I have yet to meet such good gankers, maybe you should open a Gank University.
As long as they are not statistically relevant, their impact is negligible.
Herr Wilkus wrote: Here's another tip for you, since you seem to be quite ignorant about ganking mechanics.
I am not a pro ganker. I go for the deadspace fitted Hulks only, cash in 180M a pop and go back home. Sorry for not needing 10M pittance pay.
Herr Wilkus wrote: Decloaking to scan an Exhumer is rarely even necessary, after you've scanned hundreds of them....
All you need to do is LOOK at the Hulk/Mack, and what it is doing.
When I mined, if you looked at mine, you'd guess quite wrong except for the inv II shimmer.
Also, if you need to cloak to gank an AFK miner... Low hanging fruits don't need that extra mile.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:17:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Glad to see Tech went where I suggested it'd do, while you were cleaning your butt with them, eh? im sorry did you just take credit for tech diving when a devblog saying "we are nerfing tech" as evidence your voodoo graphtracing works?
i could not come up with a better example that proves how dumb you are if i tried |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:19:00 -
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i mean let's make it clear how much you just proved your system is nonsense
you make a prediction based on what we will charitably call interpreting the market graph
a change happens that changes the price of tech in a way that cannot be linked to the market graph in any way
you posit this proves your market graph interpretation was correct |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:20:00 -
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also lmao at "mackinaws can't fit tanks"
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg
32k ehp against blasters a rogue goon |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:21:00 -
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i'm not sure if you're intelligent enough to grasp what i'm saying even boiled down that far:
since there is literally no way your "system" could have actually predicted the result, yet you took credit anyway, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt your system is nonsense and you simply take credit whenever one of your coinflips happens to be correct, while burying the incorrect predictions |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
483
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:22:00 -
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the link does not work...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:23:00 -
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yes it does |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:24:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:the link does not work...
okay, http://i.imgur.com/aBuDj.jpg a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:25:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:This will happen the day you show me that mythical 30k EHP Mack that got 10k cargo size and mines like a pro.
On an unrelated note, since you guys preach how this is a TEAM GAME then why would a Drake in your blobfest have to fit point and web? Don't you bring in flocks of Rifters for that? yes, we have other tackling ships so that mainline fleet ships don't have to give up midslots for tackle how that is relevant in a discussion of "ships have to give up tank or utility to increase damage/mining/whatever yield" is beyond me also I never said that any mining ship anywhere can fit a tank and still get maximum yield, I said that they give up yield for it that is somehow a problem in eve online, a game of tradeoffs
No, the problem is when tradeoffs for categories of ships are smoothly selectable and still let them fill their role. I would flat out refuse to fly a minmatar ship without a single gyrostab (unless it was pure bait, you know all ships except miners are nicely multi-role and some even multi-tanking philosophy).
On the opposite side there's mining ships who can't fit the corresponding booster (what in a combat ship is gyrostab / BCU etc) without such harsh drop in tank that makes them crap. Too much black and white.
So, a tradeoff among the tradeoffs has to be found.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:26:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote: No, because there are many ways to scan ships without anyone knowing they've been scanned. Good gankers will rarely let you know anything beyond that they are in local.
vv is literally The Dumbest Pubbie he's not going to grasp what you're saying
oh well, we'll come up with some other final solution to the highsec mining problem |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:27:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:i mean let's make it clear how much you just proved your system is nonsense
you make a prediction based on what we will charitably call interpreting the market graph
a change happens that changes the price of tech in a way that cannot be linked to the market graph in any way
you posit this proves your market graph interpretation was correct
The trend was set before the announce, it just made it tank harder. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:30:00 -
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"i was right despite being wrong in every way" |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:30:00 -
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"if you redefine success enough times, you eventually get to me" |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:31:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:No, the problem is when tradeoffs for categories of ships are smoothly selectable and still let them fill their role. I would flat out refuse to fly a minmatar ship without a single gyrostab (unless it was pure bait, you know all ships except miners are nicely multi-role and some even multi-tanking philosophy).
On the opposite side there's mining ships who can't fit the corresponding booster (what in a combat ship is gyrostab / BCU etc) without such harsh drop in tank that makes them crap. Too much black and white.
So, a tradeoff among the tradeoffs has to be found.
okay then take away/reduce the penalty from lowslot mining upgrades that causes mining mods' CPU to shoot up like it does a rogue goon |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
430
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:32:00 -
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I've read every page of this thread and it has only served to solidify my position. The developers at CCP who are pushing this change on us seem to have lost any sense of what kind of balance is appropriate for this game. CCP Soundwave has taken a sledgehammer instead of a scalpel to open heart surgery, to use a cliche metaphor.
Adding some CPU and some powergrid would have been a proper buff to mining barge and exhumer tank. Adding EHP, especially in such massive proportions, is a colossal mistake.
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:33:00 -
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Hey guys here are two command ships that increase damage, you are SO owned
Oh wait it doesn't ah well no biggie don't quote me on that it doesn't matter |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
271
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:33:00 -
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fit doesn't work with t2 high slots. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:33:00 -
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All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll). Exotic implants check FC with Tengu booster check Additional fleet Orca boost check Abysmal mining capability check
Congrats you made an useless brick, while involving 3 subscriptions or 3 players.
This is what I say to the other guy when I talk about bads.
You could achieve triple the income per hour in a moderate tank Mack as you don't need 3 accounts. It'd quickly repay for the several billions otherwise spent in Orca + Orca pilot + Tengu + Tengu pilot.
At the same time that Tengu pilot could have been doing L4s in dual box like many miners do.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:34:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:i'm not sure if you're intelligent enough to grasp what i'm saying even boiled down that far:
since there is literally no way your "system" could have actually predicted the result, yet you took credit anyway, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt your system is nonsense and you simply take credit whenever one of your coinflips happens to be correct, while burying the incorrect predictions
Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:34:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:fit doesn't work with t2 high slots.
really?
like I said, YOU SACRIFICE YIELD
is that a difficult concept for you? a rogue goon |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Exotic implants check
you mean implants that can very easily be bought in jita and are being added to the market and cost about 20m?
laffo |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.
you claimed you predicted current tech prices
q.e.d. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:37:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.
you claimed you predicted current tech prices q.e.d.
I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k. They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:All V skills requirement check (it's usually the first sign it's a troll). Exotic implants check FC with Tengu booster check Additional fleet Orca boost check Abysmal mining capability check
the "all 5 requirement" is literally shield upgrades V, engineering V, electronics V and whatever skills you need to fit the rest of that crap
the "abysmal mining capability" is because YOU SACRIFICE YIELD (aka isk/hr) TO FIT A TANK
as for the rest, well, aren't you the one saying "WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD WORK WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS HERE MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME"
cripes a rogue goon |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1459
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:39:00 -
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and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same a rogue goon |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
271
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:40:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Dave stark wrote:fit doesn't work with t2 high slots. really? like I said, YOU SACRIFICE YIELDis that a difficult concept for you? and of course it works with t2 highslots, you only need to get a CPU hardwiring
and which of your fleet doctrines use t1 guns because of fitting requirements? sacrificing ihus for tank isn't a problem, high slots really should not be subject to the same absurdity because i'll wager the answer to my above question is none. (yes you may have alternative t1 fittings for low sp players, that's not the same thing though) Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
249
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:40:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k. They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart. "no really guys i was proven right when an external event caused the change i predicted"
tech was rising right before the nerf was announced. i know this, because buys had formed a solid wall that allowed us to dump massive amounts of tech right down to the new equilibrium price
also lawling at you claiming "if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k" is a prediction
"if it goes up i was right because of a, if it goes down i was right because of b BEHOLD MY UNFALSIFIABLE PREDICTION" |
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