I cannot speak for everyone, just me, but as long as I make ISK I could care less what anyone does. I do not have an issue with Goons, or any other allaince. :) I just read the forums to pass time, since my boss axed me keeping EVE on my work PC. It is pretty funny to get nerd ragers going. The only effort I ever plan to put forth is the effort to make sure i enjoy my time.!! I know i am prettty selfish, but i can live with that fault. Also, really hate? I am not sure about you, but i am out of grade school.

I will sit back read post from child like people like you and laugh. Hate over a vidioe game, hahahahaha. I know 6 year olds more mature then you.

8 months of blowing up miners didnt result in this so I doubt they will start now.

A good example of a person reading something and not really getting the gist of it all. A pretty childish troll post if you ask me.

The point is, people like me believe in taking responsibility for our enjoyment in game situations like EVE, where are others tend to whine and moan and complain about the monumental unfairness of it all.

it's why more and more i'm coming to admire the people who are taking matters into their own hands and demonstrating to the "pubbies" (hate that word) that this is indeed a game about conflict (and if you don't like it, leave and good riddance).

And if you think I actually"hate" these people as in wanting to meet them in real life and do violence to them, you are of course wrong. We are simply stating our opinion that we intensly dislike the entitled, whiney, risk-averse attitude of some who have freely choose to spend their free time playing a conflict driven game.

If people like you can't stand that criticism you are probably playing the wrong game.

Well, you did use the word hate sir, not me. I do not know you , so would never make a guess as to what you mean. I do not need you or anyone else to tell me what EVE is, been here on and off since beta. Never had an issue with pvp, I do take issue with people claiming they know what everyone in the game thinks.

I heard there are ice belts and rocks elsewhere in the universe. I wonder if the rumors are true.

I cannot speak for everyone, just me, but as long as I make ISK I could care less what anyone does.

*smile* Hit a nerve eh!!

But from what I can tell, everyone would have to expend effort to head to those belts, and that requires work.

I think this is the core difference between your thinking and the New Order. You don't care about what anyone else does as long as you can make ISK. Once someone stops you from making ISK, then something needs to be done, dangit! Not by you. Time to call CCP to the rescue.

"Hello? Someone is keeping me from making ISK. Please send the ban-hammer around."

I think the core differance between you and I is this, I do not care what others do because it is none of my business. And please, the so called new order will never have any affect on me, because I will not allow it. No need for CCP or cries or whines. I would still like to know how bumping will effect the great majority of miners. Could you help out here? Explain in great detail how you will stop me from doing what I enjoy to do.

It is a good thing James 315 is the Savior of Highsec and not me because I do not have the magnificent patience he does. At www.minerbumping.com this question is clearly and irrefutably answered.

It works like this. If you are mining Ice in a New Order system and are asked if you are afk, you will answer. If asked to pay the 10,000,000 ISK indulgence fee (good for one year!) you will pay.

If you decline you will be bumped. And bumped until either you comply or leave. Or until we get tired which is our perogative. In any case, since we control the New Order systems, we choose who can Ice mine and who cannot. As many stubborn and loud miners have already learned.

James 315 explains it better. Its really worth it to pop over to www.minerbumping.com and read for yourself. Its in the FAQ.

If you haven't been personally harassed by the "New Order" you have most likely heard of them. They are bullies. I have tried speaking with them and filing petitions, it would seem that neither these "agents" or the GM's can be reasoned with. I have personally spoken with James 315 and can testify that he's not even as "compassionate" and "reasonable" as he makes himself seem in his stupid blog. He is a hateful man who despises miners on his own bigoted principle. He just can't stand the fact that we don't want to play with him, or his way, I think it stems from some kind of real life loneliness. In addition to that, it would seem that many changes are coming with the new expansion that may make it even harder to be left alone to mine in peace.

We cannot sit idly by while they ruin our game! Every petition filed is answered with a blow-off statement or this from his blog post

"Hello,

Bumping miners is not against the rules. If you keep your mining ship moving while you mine (by orbiting your target for example) then the bumper will probably miss you."

This is complete B&%% S&*#!

I have been in contact with many industrialists and we are pooling our resources to higher mercs to deal with them. I would like to take this opportunity to ask for any donations our wealthy fellow industrialists are willing to offer. Our only hope is to fight fire with fire. This character doesn't have many combat skills, but I'm looking into acquiring a fighter, I advise you to do the same.

DEATH TO THE NEW ORDER!

CCP finally gives mining ships a chance at defending themselves from suicide gankers, and now miners ***** about this?! REALLY?! Uncountable capital pilots have been bumped out of a POS in this game and lost their ship, but you dont see them whining about it. I understand high sec is suppose to be "safe." I totally agree that the mechanics that made Hulkageddon possible were extrely lame, and CCP fixed it (finally), however, this.....this is so lame, I am ashamed that I mine next to some of you crybabies. Deal with advirsity people.

In time, our lameness will become unbounded.

Lets nerf bumping now. A step towards a more glorious(ly lame) future !

CCP finally gives mining ships a chance at defending themselves from suicide gankers, and now miners ***** about this?! REALLY?! Uncountable capital pilots have been bumped out of a POS in this game and lost their ship, but you dont see them whining about it. I understand high sec is suppose to be "safe." I totally agree that the mechanics that made Hulkageddon possible were extrely lame, and CCP fixed it (finally), however, this.....this is so lame, I am ashamed that I mine next to some of you crybabies. Deal with advirsity people.

All that bieng said, I do find www.minerbumping.com to be the ramblings of a pompus ass (donkey) who is hiding himself in fancy words and elaborate roleplay to do what many other goon-lovers have done in the past, and that is harrass other players for no other reason other than they can.

Miners could always defend themselves they just chose not to. Now you can see exactly the kind of people CCP have caved into.

Has anyone noticed that whenever there is an idea that is a potential threat to the holy "isk/hr" PvE superstars get furious but, instead of making cogent eloquent posts about why the idea is bad we get baseless conspiracy or out right drivel spiced with rage?

Dont forget goon hatred.

I did not ask for James version, I asked for yours. I want to know what YOU are going to do.

Has anyone noticed that whenever there is an idea that is a potential threat to the holy "isk/hr" PvE superstars get furious but, instead of making cogent eloquent posts about why the idea is bad we get baseless conspiracy or out right drivel spiced with rage?

But from what I can tell, everyone would have to expend effort to head to those belts, and that requires work.

I did. Does that mean I am a special kind of high sec bear or something like that?

Good job, continue to find new frontiers !

Just be careful of that nasty "low sec" place, people can gank you there without being CONCORDed.

I <3 to hate the goons, they're like the challenged child at the back of the class who makes everyone laugh

You're right! And they'll soon be shared for the benefit of all free miners. Liberty of game, unity to defend it.
Resist and live free miners.

Please to be remembering: some of us are laughing WITH the Goons, not AT. What's not to love?