This gives me some hope that CCP will save the game we love an save them selves from some* of the hurrendious patch notes they released.

The changes to fighters make every wormhole carrier useless for PVE.

Are the fighter changes only effective to Super Caps or effect all capital ships?

As of now we can just barely rep our fighters in time lossing maybe 2 to 5 a site.

If you mean the changes to the fighters' signature resolution, it has been decided not to go ahead with them. Please have a look at this post for more information.

If you mean the changes to the fighters' signature resolution, it has been decided not to go ahead with them. Please have a look at this post for more information.

If you mean the changes to the fighters' signature resolution, it has been decided not to go ahead with them. Please have a look at this post for more information.

Sig radius != Sig resolution

However, spitfire, i think you guys got it all wrong again. Don't scrap the change, just don't use 400m as the value. 170m would be a good value.

In this thread, I've read several very good reasons why the fighter change is a bad idea. You are right. Fighters should stay the way they are. The change would be unfair for carriers.

The poor performance of Minmatar capital ships is being looked at and was already being looked at before the blog was posted.

Pointing out flaws and issues with the balancing plan is very much appreciated. I will look into the issues and make changes where they are needed.

Once this hits SISI, I will start a thread in the test server feedback forums. Your concerns will be listened to and acted upon if necessary.

Okay I agree with you if you allow SC to dock so that they can refit for the situation, becasue I am guessing you have no idea the hassle in swapping firghters to FBs.

I hope ccp implements 2 diferent in drone bays in supers carriers 1 for 25 figthers 1 for 25 bombers that would make sense.

If you mean the changes to the fighters' signature resolution...

will CCP remove the Capital Drone Bay from the list of required parts for Titans and Dreads if the remove them from game. it will also help to lower the prices a little.

So i think that this is page 86 of a forum thread. I know i am wasting my time because a. it's page 86 of a forum thread and b. i've been playing eve since beta and CCP have never, once, listed to any advice or comment from its fan base (ok, maybe once when zealots only had 4 guns). But at least leaving a comment will make me feel better.

ItGÇÖs obvious to me that the number of players are dropping. the fury of recent blogs are designed to re-energise people into staying. Unfortunately, the changes that are listed as CCPs solutions are just ill thought through, knee jerk reactions by people so far removed from the playing of the game it makes me furious.

My preface is that the very people who have been paying subs for the last 5 years, the people who are growing tired of the game because it is broken, are being placed even more offside by these stupid changes. People who have invested millions of SP and billions of isk into capitals are being killed through stupid misconceptions about how they are used.

For me, the 15min logoffski timer would fix 40% of the issue anyway. Just by itself.

Stop capitals in missions. Just stop them.

Another point is that there needs to be a mechanic separating 0.0 and low-sec. in 0.0 let the big boys duke it out for the billions of moon goo and the like GÇô jump the titans, supers and dreads around all you want. Have different rules for them GÇô theyGÇÖre fighting for sov, let them bring out the bling GÇô max bonuses. In low sec there needs to be protection for the 3643 (or whatever) corps of 50 people or less who want to pvp without the threat of their 5 baddons, 2 megas and scorp being dropped on by 15 SCs just because itGÇÖs fun on a Friday night. Limit the amount of ships that can jump through a cyno into low sec. Prevent fleets with more than 5 caps cynoing into a system. Implement a cyno cool-down onto fleets. Halve the bonuses due to security scanning protocols in low sec. Do something. You dont need to screw supers to fix the prob.

Dreads. Halving the siege time. Perfect. Removal of drones. Stupid. ItGÇÖs ~1.8b of ships before mods and now has zero defence, in or out of siege. Put the drones back and donGÇÖt try to fix lag through cheating us.

Supers. Where do I start. Forget your stupid idea with the drones. Listen, just give the super enough drone bay for 10 bombers and 5-10 fighters and halve the amount of drones able to be deployed at once. Balance this with an additional % of damage per level. Make the pilot choose between putting in bombers, fighters (cap vs bs shooting) and/or any mix of standard drones they wish GÇô a super with 10 sentries/heavies/jamming drones isnGÇÖt going to win the next fight in delve but makes a difference to a guy bumped off a pos tackled by a hic and being bumped by 2 machs. Remove the bonuses that allow SC only fleets to remote rep each GÇô force commanders to mix up fleets for reps. Change the ecm burst so that it uses stront so that there is a finite amount of bursting that can be accomplished. The EHP drop is there purely for SC haters GÇô but again itGÇÖs stupid. If people are flying supercaps theyGÇÖve earned the right to have some ehp buffer. The logoffski rules provide a means that committed smaller fleets have a chance at a kill if they deserve it. IGÇÖd be happy to see that the hanger bay and corp hangers on supers be taken away so that they are pure combat ships and must rely on other jump capable ships for logistical support, amp up the fuel bay if you do this.

Titans. Remove the ability to bridge fleets or make it prohibitively expensive/limited GÇô e.g. costs much much more or limits the number of ships similar to a wormhole (more smaller ships, few bigger ships). Fleet fight suppression is more based on the fear of massive-hostile-fleets bridging in rather than OMG 35 titans have jumped in. make the distinction between titan and super not guns but the DD and (rebalanced) jump portal. I can tell you for free that having an erebus gate camping in low sec instapowning anything with guns does not make for a fun eve (and unable to do anything because within range there are 12 supers waiting to jump in and take down anybody dumb enough to counter).

When will CCP learn that nothing good comes from BIG changes to anything. In a complex environment like EVE is, you can never understand what will happen when you make even little changes, and big changes are completely random in how they play out. LetGÇÖs be honest, CCPs record of deploying quality changes and balancing and game features is not stellar GÇô this smells like more of the same. This whole situation came about because of a BIG change to motherships to become supers. This is like a roundabout now.

For the love of god, instead of making all these changes do 1 or 2 like I suggest, see what happens. if itGÇÖs not enough in a month do another one, then another one. Half of why we hate you CCP is that you hype up all these big changes and they never deliver what was promised. Promise less, do more small things and keep your current players happy. You may be trying to grow the game but at this rate you wont grow faster than people will leave if you keep doing crazy wholesale changes that effect people with BILLIONS invested into your universe.

I donGÇÖt have a super but IGÇÖm not on the bandwagon of NERF THE SUPERS! just because I donGÇÖt have one. I want to aspire to one day have one on this toon and the way things are going there is nothing beneficial in GÇ£wanting moreGÇ¥ out of this game. I might as well stop producing items, buying plexes and adding value to the game and just fly ceptors and cruisers because at least when you **** them up I wonGÇÖt be throwing billions down the toilet.

YouGÇÖd get just as much love out of non-capital pilots if you just fixed low sec and militia and bring in some new sub-capital ships into the game.

Heaven forbid you might have to actually make a decision about what to carry in your dronebay.

The supercap proliferation needs to be fixed regardless

When supercaps fill the field and deply drones the nodes CANNOT handle it 67+ super caps makes it impossible to do anything in that system

They have far too many bonuses and not enough weakneses, these changes fix that

Sorry Raiden and so but your "i win" mobiles are being taken away

Cry more

So i think that this is page 86 of a forum thread. I know i am wasting my time because a. it's page 86 of a forum thread and b. i've been playing eve since beta and CCP have never, once, listed to any advice or comment from its fan base (ok, maybe once when zealots only had 4 guns). But at least leaving a comment will make me feel better.

ItGÇÖs obvious to me that the number of players are dropping. the fury of recent blogs are designed to re-energise people into staying. Unfortunately, the changes that are listed as CCPs solutions are just ill thought through, knee jerk reactions by people so far removed from the playing of the game it makes me furious.

My preface is that the very people who have been paying subs for the last 5 years, the people who are growing tired of the game because it is broken, are being placed even more offside by these stupid changes. People who have invested millions of SP and billions of isk into capitals are being killed through stupid misconceptions about how they are used.

Another point is that there needs to be a mechanic separating 0.0 and low-sec. in 0.0 let the big boys duke it out for the billions of moon goo and the like GÇô jump the titans, supers and dreads around all you want. Have different rules for them GÇô theyGÇÖre fighting for sov, let them bring out the bling GÇô max bonuses. In low sec there needs to be protection for the 3643 (or whatever) corps of 50 people or less who want to pvp without the threat of their 5 baddons, 2 megas and scorp being dropped on by 15 SCs just because itGÇÖs fun on a Friday night. Limit the amount of ships that can jump through a cyno into low sec. Prevent fleets with more than 5 caps cynoing into a system. Implement a cyno cool-down onto fleets. Halve the bonuses due to security scanning protocols in low sec. Do something. You dont need to screw supers to fix the prob.

Supers. Where do I start. Forget your stupid idea with the drones. Listen, just give the super enough drone bay for 10 bombers and 5-10 fighters and halve the amount of drones able to be deployed at once. Balance this with an additional % of damage per level. Make the pilot choose between putting in bombers, fighters (cap vs bs shooting) and/or any mix of standard drones they wish GÇô a super with 10 sentries/heavies/jamming drones isnGÇÖt going to win the next fight in delve but makes a difference to a guy bumped off a pos tackled by a hic and being bumped by 2 machs. Remove the bonuses that allow SC only fleets to remote rep each GÇô force commanders to mix up fleets for reps. Change the ecm burst so that it uses stront so that there is a finite amount of bursting that can be accomplished. The EHP drop is there purely for SC haters GÇô but again itGÇÖs stupid. If people are flying supercaps theyGÇÖve earned the right to have some ehp buffer. The logoffski rules provide a means that committed smaller fleets have a chance at a kill if they deserve it. IGÇÖd be happy to see that the hanger bay and corp hangers on supers be taken away so that they are pure combat ships and must rely on other jump capable ships for logistical support, amp up the fuel bay if you do this.

Titans. Remove the ability to bridge fleets or make it prohibitively expensive/limited GÇô e.g. costs much much more or limits the number of ships similar to a wormhole (more smaller ships, few bigger ships). Fleet fight suppression is more based on the fear of massive-hostile-fleets bridging in rather than OMG 35 titans have jumped in. make the distinction between titan and super not guns but the DD and (rebalanced) jump portal. I can tell you for free that having an erebus gate camping in low sec instapowning anything with guns does not make for a fun eve (and unable to do anything because within range there are 12 supers waiting to jump in and take down anybody dumb enough to counter).

When will CCP learn that nothing good comes from BIG changes to anything. In a complex environment like EVE is, you can never understand what will happen when you make even little changes, and big changes are completely random in how they play out. LetGÇÖs be honest, CCPs record of deploying quality changes and balancing and game features is not stellar GÇô this smells like more of the same. This whole situation came about because of a BIG change to motherships to become supers. This is like a roundabout now.

For the love of god, instead of making all these changes do 1 or 2 like I suggest, see what happens. if itGÇÖs not enough in a month do another one, then another one. Half of why we hate you CCP is that you hype up all these big changes and they never deliver what was promised. Promise less, do more small things and keep your current players happy. You may be trying to grow the game but at this rate you wont grow faster than people will leave if you keep doing crazy wholesale changes that effect people with BILLIONS invested into your universe.

I donGÇÖt have a super but IGÇÖm not on the bandwagon of NERF THE SUPERS! just because I donGÇÖt have one. I want to aspire to one day have one on this toon and the way things are going there is nothing beneficial in GÇ£wanting moreGÇ¥ out of this game. I might as well stop producing items, buying plexes and adding value to the game and just fly ceptors and cruisers because at least when you **** them up I wonGÇÖt be throwing billions down the toilet.

What stops them from bringing just carriers with fighters?With their alt accounts and more?

So the core concept of the balancing which is presumably making the SC's less of Jack'O'All is being scrapped entirely again? .. you seriously need to find out just what the hell you want.

If you're not going ahead with the fighter sig resolution change, then to stop supercarriers casually wiping the floor with subcapitals you'll need to prevent supercarriers from deploying fighters and restrict them to fighter-bombers only.

What stops them from bringing just carriers with fighters?With their alt accounts and more?

If you're not going ahead with the fighter sig resolution change, then to stop supercarriers casually wiping the floor with subcapitals you'll need to prevent supercarriers from deploying fighters and restrict them to fighter-bombers only.