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ships costing so much in both isk and skill time ccp think about rewarding the hard work of you loyal eve fans and addicts

How to fix a titan by making them remote links stop working on them.
getting impunity for ewar means it should not get any form of help from remote links like tracking and sebo.

nurf changes
hp hit great but not the hel
DD fine
agro timer great

sc
let them have 20 fighter bombers and 20 fighters and a small drone bay with about 500m3 this will cut
if you go ahead with the changes listed then turn them in to advanced carrier and let them dock at lest their going to be used and made after the nurf.

as many have pointed out with the agro timer you will see many more die in the weeks and month that follow..

but also fix the self destruct add so ships in combat can not selfdestruck.

on a side note super carriers in combat cannot refill on stranded drones lock the function with the agro timer.
solo super carrier moving about will be able to deafened itself for a limited amount of time

IF the planed changes are introduced allow them to dock and turn the super carriers in to advanced carriers.
let advanced carriers dock

Noob alliance reporting in , still have more space and do more battles in 0.0 than your leet pvp group brahh.

bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned

bots ratting is not a battles trying to save your alliance leader from the ban hammer may be tho will have to check with ccp on that
whats the count now 2 banned

I see that its ok to do so that supers cant attack sub capitals....
It must be fair to do so that sub capitals cant attack supers allso then..
Rigth ?

Good point there :D

I can't hit you in SC or Titan but you wanna hit me, huh? FAIR ENOUGH ! I'll eject and bump you to death !

I see that its ok to do so that supers cant attack sub capitals....
It must be fair to do so that sub capitals cant attack supers allso then..
Rigth ?

After all...
CCP calls this re-balancing.
If there is some balance in this (nerf) I cant see an other solution

The same points being brought up by the same people, a reflection of the way they play the game.

I agree with the major points, stop the blobs and keep the supercaps able to defend themselves.

One way forward, possibly the best way forward would have been to reduce the ehp even more and keep the rest of their current capability. Keeping their build/cost requirements as they are but reducing the ehp to say around 20-30% would make them much easier to take down and also a risk that would have to be considered. This change coupled with the logoff timer change being introduced would perhaps be a better step. Yeah they may be many more factors to consider with balancing, logistics restrictions etc but they should be great ships at that price, but also able to be destroyed.

The current changes will make them suck too much. I would rather they have their current capability and a massive reduction in ehp whilst retaining their price.

Keeping their build/cost requirements as they are but reducing the ehp to say around 20-30% would make them much easier to take down and also a risk that would have to be considered. This change coupled with the logoff timer change being introduced would perhaps be a better step.

The same points being brought up by the same people, a reflection of the way they play the game.

I agree with the major points, stop the blobs and keep the supercaps able to defend themselves.

One way forward, possibly the best way forward would have been to reduce the ehp even more and keep the rest of their current capability. Keeping their build/cost requirements as they are but reducing the ehp to say around 20-30% would make them much easier to take down and also a risk that would have to be considered. This change coupled with the logoff timer change being introduced would perhaps be a better step. Yeah they may be many more factors to consider with balancing, logistics restrictions etc but they should be great ships at that price, but also able to be destroyed.

The current changes will make them suck too much. I would rather they have their current capability and a massive reduction in ehp whilst retaining their price.

Truthfully i would not have a problem whit that. But it would be game braking. Since its only logical that Super Capitals cant damage sub capitals and sub capitals can damage super capitals.

Whatever the change it end result must be: STOP THE SUPER CAPITAL BLOB

also lets have a look at the DD and something most will hate

DD can only hit capitals right.

how about having the old dd back in play but as a scripted mods with scripted the DD will do 500 to 1000 dmg with out the scrip max dmg on a cap ship only DD skill level taken in to account,
given that 500 to 1k dmg will not hurt any ship apart from frigs and drones even with 20 titans most ships can hold out with 40 titans on them even more,

so lets here some ideas on this is you like it

FHM say nothing we know you agree with me on this,

I dont really care for the type of the nerf as long as it STOPS SUPERCAPITAL BLOB . The scenario BRICKS4BALLS proposed is pretty much stupid because 100 subcapital ships a mix of high dps BS cannot brake the s super capital repair chain so the sub capital fleet can shoot at them for years nothing to happen.

And again his comparison is flawed because he thinks that just cuss something costs so much more expansive it should be able to dominate the field. Nor is the proposed scenario possible where the super capital fleet would loose ships that is impossible because titans can wipe floor sub caps in few minutes while subcapital fleet would not be able to kill 1 sc before they would be taken down.

Only way to stop the super capital blob is to make them useless against sub capital ships so sub capital ships can kill super capital ships easier and forcing super capitals to depend on sub capital support .

Or not nerf the ships stats as all but make it so we can no longer produce so many at a time by rasing build and time cost to a much higher lvl say 150billion / 2months for a SC and 500 billion / 6 months

Or make it that you can only have 3 super capital ships in fleet and change game mechanic where two super carriers from two different fleets cant repair each other or do cap transfer. That way you could have multiple fleets but only the 3 super carriers in the same fleet can repair eachother and not the others from another fleet. And make it so that they need to be in fleet if they want to use RR so they cant just drop fleet and RR them selves

OK, but in my previous post I said some logistic restictions should maybe be considered.

My post meant make it so 100bs would be defeated by 100 supercarriers at the cost of 2 or 3 supercarriers, so the balancing would come by whatever means necessary to make this possible. My idea is only the concept that 100bs should still lose the battle but the cost would be much greater to the team that brought the 100 supercarriers and lost a few of those ships.

They should be similar (by whatever means possible) to pirate faction bs and their counterparts; by that i mean better than carriers, i.e as they are now, but not much harder to kill (as they are now) at the same time costing a hell of alot more isk.

Obvioulsy the cost of losing 2 or 3 supercarriers far outweighs the cost of 100 bs,

Truthfully i would not have a problem whit that. But it would be game braking. Since its only logical that Super Capitals cant damage sub capitals and sub capitals can damage super capitals.

Whatever the change it end result must be: STOP THE SUPER CAPITAL BLOB

It is clear that Titans and Moms were poorly designed and have caused (and these changes will actually only force moms to blob more and titans become king again) a bundle of balance issues as a whole. I hope that this is a lesson that just because it looks cool, its large and shiny, does not mean it should be added.

SCs should be able to defend themselves, and like a previous poster said, their problem was not EHP per se but the massive damage they did with FBs. FBs spelled the end of dreads and broke the really good balance in terms of roles and features that carriers and dreads had (yes, there were some problems, but nothing this large). Now SCs will not be able to defend themselves and will get mothballed. but maby this is a good thing - short of of just removing them which in some respects is a better move then what is being attempted here.

The logoff timer is good, but that was an easy idea. Hard to go wrong there.

And what reason is there to bring a dread to a fight now? It will still snap like a twig.

It seems like we are right back in 06.

What is not being said here is the real problem with the proliferation of SC and Titans.

It is the macro miners and the massive proliferation of minerals on the markets.

I remember when We (ASCN) in a race with BoB had to work as a massive team to build Cyvok's Titan. The concept of procuring 100 Billion in Minerals and another 150Billion in BPO's was nearly unimaginable. Dozens of people mining in various groups pre-hulk etc etc took weeks to accumulate the minerals required. We beat BoB by getting the titan out of the oven before them by about 18 hours. (we also beat bob by having the first titan killed by a few weeks.(HI MOLLE :)

What I am getting at is hulks and all the stations in 0.0 has made minerals easy to come by. Rorquals compressing ore and shipping it to empire to be refined has led to me being able to buy a titans worth of minerals in 20 minutes. I can then contract red frog to haul it all to a rail gun builder. Then I get Black Frog to jump it to my low sec jumpout station. The in just a few JF jumps I can have it in my cyno jammed CSAA building comps and titans. I don't mean to brag but I have built over 2 dozen titans virtually by myself and about 100 MS.

It is the bots and the zydrine drones that have allowed me to build a titan every 15 days by myself and my army of alt cap builders.

If the hulks were not inserted into the game. If the Freighters had not been inserted, If jump freighters had not been inserted. If, if, if........... We would not be suffering from an plethora if Super capital Ships.

What about the wealth created by the complete imbalance of high end moon distribution. If CCP had not provided many allainces with a blank cheque every month they would not be so easily able to by the mins in Jita.

I own several very valuable BPO's which allows me to earn passive isk at a tremdous rate. This has allowed me to accumulate wealth that was reserved for only the richest of allainces a mere 5 years ago.

So should we take those other things out of the game to?

Many things have contributed to the amount of Super Caps in game. But crippling them is not the answer. The whole process needs to be reviewed. Knee jerk reactions to the whinging of special interest groups has never and will never work.

If something is too strong, build something stronger to kill it.

I do like several things in this nerf. But dislike and disagree with several more.

1) Log off timer. Capital and Supercapital Log off timers should be increased to 30 minutes - not the potential dt to dt timer that it it could be with the proposed changes. I mean some people legitimately DIsCo. Should they loose an 80b isk ship because they DisCo'd.
2) EW immune ships should be completely immune. No boosting etc.
3) Titans AOE should be reinstated with diminishing capacity.(scripted etc)
4) Dreads shoud be buffed in HP and EHP more then they are now.
5) New ships - Titan Killers - should be introduced.


If these things were introduced I strongly believe that that would be plently of balance. One of the problems with CCP in my opinion is that they react by over reacting.

Introduce things slowly and see if that helps. If not cut a bit more and a bit more until it does help. If I have cancer in my foot CCP would amputate my whole leg with their current mindset.

That's the most ******** thing I've ever read.

It's only logical that a semi truck can drive over a mini cooper.

Therefore it's only logical that a super cap should be able to walk all up and down your cane.

there must be no such thing as risk free pvp. If a sub cap has the balls to attack a super, it should have a tank to take it or get wiped off the grid.

Go back to logic school.

Infact, everybody who's hating super caps and the sheer awesomeness with which they can chew through a sub cap fleet, are all just as pathetic as newbies crying over losing a newly purchased cruiser to a low-sec gate camp prior to knowing how low sec pvp works. Then they proceed to cry over it, make a petition, threaten to quit if they don't get their stuff back, then threaten to quit if the game isn't changed to suit their play styles.