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Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:08:00 - [271] - Quote Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:12:00 - [272] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? Well active cloaking needs to be protected as much as possible. But I agree. If you go AFK in my system I want to have the chance even if its reasonable and not perfect. To find and destroy you. It is THAT simple. My probe idea would work without seriously affecting active cloaking (And active cloakers would get a laugh frustrating efforts to locate them with probes) While inactive afk cloakers who are still logged in would be at risk and thus eventually located and destroyed. This would reward the efforts of active cloakers.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:13:00 - [273] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:14:00 - [274] - Quote Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing and fyi if you want to the tools to catch them you have them gates stations bubbles session changes logoffs downtime bait The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:15:00 - [275] - Quote Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:18:00 - [276] - Quote Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing You quoted me twice and yet you failed to read properly. Quote: i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space Try not to fail at telling someone that he failed. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:22:00 - [277] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client. oh you must be the OPs alt let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:24:00 - [278] - Quote Morganta wrote: and fyi if you want to the tools to catch them you have them gates stations bubbles session changes logoffs downtime bait I can't decide if you just didn't grasp the meaning of "tools to catch one" or are just trying to insult me. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:27:00 - [279] - Quote Morganta wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client. oh you must be the OPs alt let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main So let me get this straight.. You are hiding, i want to find you. I'm the coward? And a hulk is also not a threat, why should he be subject to a threat? Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:27:00 - [280] - Quote Morganta wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client. oh you must be the OPs alt let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main I will refer you to the EVE Online TOS and the forum rules. Please follow them

Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:29:00 - [281] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client. oh you must be the OPs alt let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main So let me get this straight.. You are hiding, i want to find you. I'm the coward? And a hulk is also not a threat, why should he be subject to a threat? And if you have absolutely no need to be flying in space since you obviously don't want to have any effect whatsoever over anybody while AFK.. why don't you log off? If someone is posting things that violate the forum rules I would suggest not replying to them. We need to focus on finding a solution to the issue and not derailing the thread.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:31:00 - [282] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: and fyi if you want to the tools to catch them you have them gates stations bubbles session changes logoffs downtime bait I can't decide if you just didn't grasp the meaning of "tools to catch one" or are just trying to insult me. you insult yourself when you make posts like this. obviously you are reacting to one person or corp who has angered you so much that you now demand the means to hunt this particular person or persons down so you can extract your retribution. sorry you are mad bro, but your personal problems in-game are not reason enough to nerf an entire class of ships The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2234	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:33:00 - [283] - Quote I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:34:00 - [284] - Quote Just so you know the the nerf I am describing will only seriously target the AFK part of the cloak with risk. Active cloakers won't be seriously affected.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:37:00 - [285] - Quote Morganta wrote: you insult yourself when you make posts like this. obviously you are reacting to one person or corp who has angered you so much that you now demand the means to hunt this particular person or persons down so you can extract your retribution. sorry you are mad bro, but your personal problems in-game are not reason enough to nerf an entire class of ships Yes, i want to shoot whoever i please in EVE. Problem? If you want to be 100% safe, dock or log-off. This is what i've been taught in EVE. (Actually i've been told that the only perfectly safe place in EVE is the login screen). You want to be in space, have access to your directional scan and be able to stalk people while being safer then someone sitting inside a POS (which can have its password stolen, or a spy with access reseting the password and hitting everyone with the ***** POS itself). I am perfectly fine with the chance of beeing shot-down and killed anywhere i fly in space, at any time by anyone. I am not the carebear. You are** Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:37:00 - [286] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:38:00 - [287] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: you insult yourself when you make posts like this. obviously you are reacting to one person or corp who has angered you so much that you now demand the means to hunt this particular person or persons down so you can extract your retribution. sorry you are mad bro, but your personal problems in-game are not reason enough to nerf an entire class of ships Yes, i want to shoot whoever i please in EVE. Problem? If you want to be 100% safe, dock or log-off. This is what i've been taught in EVE. (Actually i've been told that the only perfectly safe place in EVE is the login screen). You want to be in space, have access to your directional scan and be able to stalk people while being safer then someone sitting inside a POS (which can have its password stolen, or a spy with access reseting the password and hitting everyone with the ***** POS itself). I am perfectly fine with the chance of beeing shot-down and killed anywhere i fly in space, at any time by anyone. I am not the carebear. You are** Good point but we do need to keep the insults out of it. It is obvious that AFK cloaking risk free is the issue to be fixed and finding a good solution that does not seriously affect active cloaking needs to be our focus and goal.
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2235	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:39:00 - [288] - Quote One would be surprised how easy it is to set up a disposable starbase in a hostile system and sit, in a non-cloaking ship, inside the starbase shields with impunity. Takes people weeks to realize that you're the Caldari Shuttle or Iteron Mark III on d-scan at some random moon, rather than some nefarious recon pilot.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:39:00 - [289] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. see, I don't have that fear if you wan't to come afk blueball yourself to death down in syndicate I'll be more than happy to laugh at you in local The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:40:00 - [290] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Good point but we do need to keep the insults out of it. It is obvious that AFK cloaking risk free is the issue to be fixed and finding a good solution that does not seriously affect active cloaking needs to be our focus and goal. There is a difference between insulting someone, and slapping them in the face with cold hard fact. Morganta wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. see, I don't have that fear if you wan't to come afk blueball yourself to death down in syndicate I'll be more than happy to laugh at you in local Again you fail at reading. Congratulations on not being afraid of local contacts. However you are so afraid of losing that 100% safety of staying cloaked while flying in space, that you try to offend the intelligence of anyone who preaches against it. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.

SpaceSquirrels Scordite Excavating Xenaphobe 8	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:42:00 - [291] - Quote No local means you would barley know if they were there in the first place. Ignorance is bliss
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2235	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:42:00 - [292] - Quote Morganta wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. see, I don't have that fear if you wan't to come afk blueball yourself to death down in syndicate I'll be more than happy to laugh at you in local This guy has the right attitude, the guy he quoted is just a dishonourable space coward.
Kitty McKitty In Praise Of Shadows 368	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:43:00 - [293] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. Lol, carebear cowards using forum alts. How... cowardly of you. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:44:00 - [294] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: One would be surprised how easy it is to set up a disposable starbase in a hostile system and sit, in a non-cloaking ship, inside the starbase shields with impunity. Takes people weeks to realize that you're the Caldari Shuttle or Iteron Mark III on d-scan at some random moon, rather than some nefarious recon pilot. Nothing wrong with that. That involves great risk that your enemies wont discover you and blow the POS to pizza toppings. My hats off to those who pull that off. As long as there is RISK to doing an activity I can get behind it. I do NOT want a Sov or POS upgrade that says "LOLLOLlol Press this to decloak everything in system instantly and win!" That is beyond silly. I want to WORK to expose the AFK cloaker and make the kill. My idea does this and keeps the risk minimal for those who take the time to be active at their computers while cloaked.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:45:00 - [295] - Quote Well.. in one point i can agree with them, at least have the balls to say what you think looking them in the eye. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.
The Apostle The Black Priests 257	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:45:00 - [296] - Quote Morganta wrote: let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main Ironically, the very argument from those that disagree it's an issue implies that they know full well that it is a VERY effective and cheap tactic to deny systems. Otherwise why defend the status quo soooo hard?! Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:46:00 - [297] - Quote Kitty McKitty wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. Lol, carebear cowards using forum alts. How... cowardly of you. That is completely off topic. I will refer you to the forum TOS and rules. Please follow them. This topic is about discussing solutions to the issue of being able to be cloaked in a system while away from the computer or otherwise not paying attention to the client risk free.
Gogurt 46	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:47:00 - [298] - Quote What about AFK cloaking mains?
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:48:00 - [299] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Well.. in one point i can agree with them, at least have the balls to say what you think looking them in the eye. I've had more than my fair share of cloakers come to my house because i have the guts to stand for what i believe. That is your choice. I do not believe posting as my main will make my idea any "better" and I am not here to play ego games. This is a forum. To make a name for my main I want to do so in game and not on the forum. I want to be focused on providing solutions to the issue. Can we keep to that please?
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 128	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:49:00 - [300] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Kitty McKitty wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. Lol, carebear cowards using forum alts. How... cowardly of you. That is completely off topic. I will refer you to the forum TOS and rules. Please follow them. This topic is about discussing solutions to the issue of being able to be cloaked in a system while away from the computer or otherwise not paying attention to the client risk free. You are talking with people who more often than not run out of valid arguments, Then they turn to personal insults. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand.



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