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Go AFK but under my plan you will eventually be found and destroyed. That is the idea. You get to take a risk like everyone else.

Apart from the anon respawn issue still no one has given this thread one good reason why it needs to be looked at?

just do like any other MMO has done over the years, if a person is inactive for more than 30 mins, kick him to caracter select.

A possible solution to AFK cloaky alts

Way to misquote! Well done for trying to build a strawman.

The problem isn't that it makes it less profitable or hits profit margins, the problem is that it makes null LESS profitable than hi-sec. Do you really think that is right?

The secondary problem is that it gives a very cheap and risk-free way of seriously fecking up your enemy's economics. This heavily breaks the risk vs reward that EvE is based around. More risk = More reward, except in the case of AFK cloaking.

Now please try addressing the real problems and see if you can come up with an actual answer.

Active players wont be decloaked without warning with my plan. They have time to go to safespot and come back generating a new random point to be uncloaked. It doesn't seriously affect them. It just removes the incentive to go AFK.

Wow, lost my response. Here we go again... I can appreciate the thought you put into this concept, however it would greatly detract from wormhole life. Even simply being able to detect the presence of cloaked ships is a huge nerf on the whole wormhole culture and the danger inherent in the system. A big part of planning a system assault often revolves around having an unknown cloaked vessel in a target hole for days or weeks on end actively gathering intel. You may be logged on for hours sitting idly by watching a pos to determine hours of operation, active people in the hole, etc. The secrecy is key. Allowing your presence to be advertised via probe would also shift the whole paradigm such that it would become a near requirement for someone to keep these probes out constantly while any ops are going on, possibly even when they're not. This massive nerf (and it is massive, if you have any clue at all about wormhole life) is grossly unnecessary, unneeded and unwelcome.

Wormholes are the last frontiers of Eve. Anything that nerfs that needs to be fought tooth and nail.

I understand your point and agree that intel gathering should be a viable use for cloakies. I would have found it very unusual for my suggestion not to have overlooked something in a world as large as EVE.

However, you do understand the concern here though, right? If you can help come up with a solution to the AFK cloaky issue that would not affect intel gathering from active players, by all means, please offer your ideas. I do think that this is something that CCP will eventually tackle, as it is one of those tactics that requires very little investment for such a large payoff for the cloaky pilot. I think that aside from wormhole space intel gathering, the idea has merit.

I'm all for being a cloaky pilot and doing the stalking thing if you're active behind your keyboard, I'm not so cool with the "lololol I can sit here all day and you can't kill me unless I'm too dumb to know a bait ship when I see it" mechanics presently in place when a cloaky sits afk in system.

Nothing in EVE should be risk free. I'm already dissapointed that people can carebear it up in high sec, but even they risk getting blown up. Cloaky pilots should suffer the same risks for the intel/ganks they intend to gain.

Well, I think this idea does it pretty well...

1. When a ship cloaks, it disappears from local. This is balanced by #2.

2. When a ship cloaks, it also loses access to local. You lose the free intel of being able to sit there while cloaked at a safe seeing who's in system or not. You want more intel? Simply... use probes, use dscan, fly your lazy ass around and see who's where. This makes intel gathering, while cloaked, into and active endeavour, not unlike how it currently is in wormholes. Also, while cloaked, you cannot be used as a "warp to" target. You're intentionally cutting yourself off from everyone else after all.

3. When you decloak, there should be a delay in being able to fire off a cyno. This also balances the "invisible in local" thing, giving the poor bastard you're surprising at least a fighting chance to soil himself and run away.

It doesn't affect intel gathering in systems with local for uncloaked ships. It makes intel more interactive for cloaked vessels. It allows cloaked vessels to be truly cloaked by not having them show in local. It balances the more effective invisibility by giving opponents a little more escape time if the intent is to light a cyno or have a fleet warp on top of the cloaked vessel. It still allows the cloaked vessel itself to engage the target if it wishes without penalty.

You dont mine in null sec for PROFIT, you mine there for resources, and it's more convenient than relying on logistics to bring in resources from high sec. If you are unable to deal with a few enemy ships in system and cannot go next door or otherwise deal with the problem then you need to start bringing in resources from elsewhere. You may not like this but its the truth.

The idea that there is no problem with afk cloaking as it is, is laughable.

The idea that there is no problem with afk cloaking as it is, is laughable. If someone in your system is sitting in a recon, cloaked, all you can say for certain is that he could drop an undefined number of people onto you at damn near any time he pleases, and you would get absolutely no warning of it until it's too late to react.

Only for really, really dumb people.

The idea that there is no problem with afk cloaking as it is, is laughable. If someone in your system is sitting in a recon, cloaked, all you can say for certain is that he could drop an undefined number of people onto you at damn near any time he pleases, and you would get absolutely no warning of it until it's too late to react. AFK cloakers weren't really a problem before blackops came into the game, because it was blackops that turned one recon into an entire fleet, one that can't be scouted, or trapped in a system.

AFK cloakers that don't have covert cynos aren't a problem mind you, but there's really no way of knowing whether or not they do until it's too late anyway.

If you think an AFK cloaker can effect you then you are rather daft good sir.

They absolutely have to be at keyboard to be a threat.

anomaly denial

Which has been pointed out is a fault of the spawn mechanic, not the cloak.

Which has been pointed out as something that can be achieved while being cloaked and afk.

Which has been pointed out as something that can be achieved while being cloaked and afk.

stop trying to link it to a cloak nerf.