So the cloak is the only profession in this game that can be perfomed with absolute safety instead of just very-high safety? That seems right to you?

Then I state that either do not or never have ratted or mined in 0.0. Ever.

So the cloak is the only profession in this game that can be perfomed with absolute safety instead of just very-high safety? That seems right to you?

You are telling me that a tool that would make any semi-competent cloak pilot laugh while their adversary clumsily tries to locate him, would be the same as removing cloak alltogether and make your job difficult enough to the point of rage-quit?

Seeing as how the safety is not absolute, yes.

No. I'm saying that all the GÇ£solutionsGÇ¥ to GÇ£AFK cloakingGÇ¥ are complete gutshots to cloaking GÇö intentional or not, they're swinging wild and not hitting what they're (allegedly) aiming for. They also refuse to acknowledge some very simple fixes that would solve their supposed issue, often with such intensity that it is hard not to suspect that the supposed issue is not what they actually want to see solvedGǪ

I cannot find you no matter how skilled i am, or what tools i employ. As long as you are cloaked, you are safe from me. If you cannot be found and uncloaked by an action that i start and i perform, you are safer then you should be.

I don't care that she can't do anything to me while cloaked directly. I care that what she can do to me when uncloaked, could only be done by doing something while previoulsy cloaked. So whatever she does while uncloaked is inherently dependant upon things she does while cloaked. Therefore, she can do something while cloaked.

When uncloaked, you run the exact same risks as everyone else. Its a none issue.

You're just trolling.

When cloaked i run no risk. Its an issue.

The fact that you've kept this ridiculous thread going for 23 pages is pretty convincing evidence that it's you who's trolling.

When cloaked, you cannot do anything to hurt anyone.

When cloaked, you cannot do anything to hurt anyone.

More fool you. Until 30 minutes ago I was in bed asleep. I was asleep for approximately 8 hours. Thread was still up top when I logged in.

But hey, your comments are appreciated. They are, as usual, held in the highest esteem.

Here is the "AFK cloaker" debate distilled to its most basic principle. Everything beyond it is just noise.

I still think delayed local in 0.0 makes everyone happy. Cloaked ships can't see you, you can't see them.

Win-win

Here is the "AFK cloaker" debate distilled to its most basic principle.

Everything beyond it is just noise.

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to the op and any 1 else that thinks afk cloakys need fixing/a counter

"A possible solution to AFK cloaky alts "

the clue is there they are afk so u have nothing to worry about

they are away from keyboard so they cant hurt u u silly nuby

Removing local will wreck the game and is off topic. We ought to keep discussing ways to fix this issue without CCP having to pull out a huge nerfbat that will severely impact active cloaking. I have already stated that I will support the nerfbat over nothing but I would rather people here calmly discuss other better ideas first.

Its local that casues "the issue" so it is very much part of the topic.

You would not even know they were in system if it wasn't for that red little square and people wouldn't cower in fear of something that may or may not happen rather than adapting to counter it.

Its local that casues "the issue" so it is very much part of the topic.

You would not even know they were in system if it wasn't for that red little square and people wouldn't cower in fear of something that may or may not happen rather than adapting to counter it.

Did we use the line "ignorance is bliss" already? Yes I am sure we did. It is the definitive solution for a select few - unfortunately.

And yes. WH's get on fine without local. No dispute. But it works why?

Because a cloaky MUST reveal themselves to find me - AND CCP made this easier because it was a problem prior.

End of story.

Sleeper sites don't require probes to locate. Think of them as the wormhole version of sanctums. In holes, you need to probe gravs, mags, radars, ladars and more holes, but not the combat sites.

Read a few pages back about the AFK cloaker in WH sites. AFK cloaking is not just a nullsec issue so the remove local stuff is off topic.

This topic needs to focus on the various ideas published that can reasonably deal with the issue of the risk free incentive to walk away from the keyboard while not swinging a heavy nerfbat that would cause active cloakers to randomly decloak or manage a fuel bay in hostile territory.

Yes Skunk. We know

Nerf local. You no longer have a box with a random neut or red sitting there scaring you into a station/pos, covert ops get to be covert and the 0.0 bots stop working. 3 things fixed with one stone.

No you will just suddenly find the enemy uncloaking in perfect range of you for a free gank or hotdrop with no warning.

Still claim removing local will fix AFK cloaking?

Lets focus on serious solutions please and not off topic stuff about nullsec.

No you will just suddenly find the enemy uncloaking in perfect range of you for a free gank or hotdrop with no warning.

Still claim removing local will fix AFK cloaking?

Lets focus on serious solutions please and not off topic stuff about nullsec.