You are talking with people who more often than not run out of valid arguments, Then they turn to personal insults.

so then not letting them in your system isn't an option?

this was the tool I was referring to

afk cloakers do not simply spawn into your system, they need to travel just like everyone else.
a quick look at the stats on evekill will tell you covops ships are not indestructible, people pop em all the time

you have the tools, thats why your demand for a fix to your personal problems is not a fix or a worthy topic of discussion.

covops have to transit around the universe just like everyone else, they have to log in and log out, they dock and undock
they enter and exit your precious system with gates

the cloaks benefit is to grant you immunity from detection, thats the whole point, without that feature its useless, and it comes at a hefty cost even on a covops ship.

if you can't control access to your system, then its not really your system is it?

so then not letting them in your system isn't an option?

this was the tool I was referring to

afk cloakers do not simply spawn into your system, they need to travel just like everyone else.
a quick look at the stats on evekill will tell you covops ships are not indestructible, people pop em all the time

you have the tools, thats why your demand for a fix to your personal problems is not a fix or a worthy topic of discussion.

covops have to transit around the universe just like everyone else, they have to log in and log out, they dock and undock
they enter and exit your precious system with gates

the cloaks benefit is to grant you immunity from detection, thats the whole point, without that feature its useless, and it comes at a hefty cost even on a covops ship.

if you can't control access to your system, then its not really your system is it?

Cloaked ships are only the threat of a threat apart from being able to relay system Intel.

Every ship in Eve has a d-scan. Use it. I just finished running a cosmic anon in 0.0 with one cloaked ship in systematic and another docked. D-scan. Cloaked ships don't stop activity, fear does.

The Apostle left nullsec because he was unwilling to jump next door to the system with the afk cloaker to do his ratting. Logic isn't going to be effective.

The Apostle left nullsec because he was unwilling to jump next door to the system with the afk cloaker to do his ratting. Logic isn't going to be effective.

And yep, you are 100% correct. Logic is NOT going to be effective. You're the case in point.

Did this actually happen or are you just saying that? Because if that literally happened then it's hilarious.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=174513#post174513
Read it quick before he edits it.

Sanctum nerf happened, AFK cloakies moved in and my income disappeared. Got to the point where I couldn't afford to lose ships anymore so stopped roaming. Couldn't rat, couldn't mine, couldn't roam. So I left.

But yes. That, and the combination of JB nerf and Sanctum nerf.... And I'll bet my 10 ice roids to your 5 Brutix's that many did the same thing.

Cloaks!!!


Nothing causes more bots to dock up and more fat Russian girlfriends to get pushed off of laps faster than popping into a 0.0 system from a WH and hitting that cloak before they launch that super and start spamming insults in bad english.

even when he's there, hes still "not there"

AFK or ATK the threat is a perceived one.

so how do you recon this works with eyes?
their role is to cloak for intel, not afk harassment.

do you think these people should be rendered ineffective because the blob on the gate he's scouting can probe/scan/pulse him down with 10 different members in a matter of seconds?

Nope. By being cloaked it means that you should be able to react much more effectivelly to whatever tactic your enemy wishes to employ. Maybe as simple as just moving around just by clicking at random directions in space.

But the key here is that YOU need to REACT to whatever tactics your enemy wishes to employ. So your ship needs you at the helm making tactical decisions if you wish to remain effective. The cloak should only make it easier.


Take the 10km probe. You can easelly mitigate that by simply leaving your ship accelerated.


The enemy will arrive 10km from you, and before he exits warp, your cloaky will already be 13km from him moving away in whatever crazy direction you selected and will keep on moving away, making the search-radius bigger and bigger.


HOWEVER, you wouldn't be able to simply accelerate your ship and go AFK because a semi-intelligent prober will know how to detect the vector of a moving ship that only goes in one direction.

unless I'm orbiting a moon at 349km

Nope, can still find you regardless if you are moving in a straight line or orbiting something. If you're AFK then your vector remains unchanged. I probe you down 4 or 5 times at different, regular intervals and drop a can at each spot. Depending on the line or the curve i can predict where you will be.


Unless you change your vector.


Now THIS is much more entertaning for me, both for the hunter and the hunted.

The Apostle- Of course I know cloaked ships don't show on d-scan. Neither can cloaked ships take any offensive action. A cloaked ship is only dangerous once decloaked. Then they show up on d-scan if close or in overview if dangerously close. A true AFk cloaker won't even pass on Intel being afk. I do just fine in systems with cloaked vessels because I watch my d-scan for ships that decloak and can actually engage. Any ship that can engage has to decloak first. Also cyno'd in ships will spike local. I just don't see the problem. There's no need to avoid somebody that can't attack. They can only attack once you can see them too on d-scan or overview or local spike from covert cyno.

lol, boy you sure got a heavy axe to grind there, perhaps you should just relocate to quieter places
I can't imagine all this maniacal planning is doing your blood pressure very good

The Apostle- Of course I know cloaked ships don't show on d-scan. Neither can cloaked ships take any offensive action. A cloaked ship is only dangerous once decloaked. Then they show up on d-scan if close or in overview if dangerously close. A true AFk cloaker won't even pass on Intel being afk. I do just fine in systems with cloaked vessels because I watch my d-scan for ships that decloak and can actually engage. Any ship that can engage has to decloak first. Also cyno'd in ships will spike local. I just don't see the problem. There's no need to avoid somebody that can't attack. They can only attack once you can see them too on d-scan or overview or local spike from covert cyno.

Keep digging troll...... Standard response when you've lost the plot. Attack the poster not the post... I'm good with it...

A cloaky recon can come up just over 2.5k fully cloaked and he will not show until he decloaks and lights a cyno right on your clacker. You won't need to d-scan. he's there!!

Worse, if he has a mate, you're pointed before you can even find the warp button. Less than 10 seconds later, blob is in and you're dead.

Blob scatters and waits it out to exit.

And unless you have a fleet WITH you - you can't stop it.

But that isn't the topic. The fact is that the threat of the drop remains even if the cloaky is in bed fast asleep is the issue.

A cloaky recon can come up just over 2.5k fully cloaked and he will not show until he decloaks and lights a cyno right on your clacker. You won't need to d-scan. he's there!!

Worse, if he has a mate, you're pointed before you can even find the warp button. Less than 10 seconds later, blob is in and you're dead.

Blob scatters and waits it out to exit.

And unless you have a fleet WITH you - you can't stop it.

But that isn't the topic. The fact remains that of this occurs even if the cloaky is in bed fast asleep is the issue.