GǪyou mean those things that you immediately see coming and therefore can escape? YeeeeahGǪ no. By that token, there is already risk in AFK cloaking by the mere fact that you're AFK and can't react to any threats that might appear.
It's not 20 questions GÇö it's trying to figure out what the problem with AFK cloaking is and why it needs to be solved.

So far, none of the issues have had anything to do with that, but rather with completely different things. The best GÇ£solutionGÇ¥ to AFK cloaking remains to fix local.

Still have a problem with anomaly denial though... it is like i said it is. CCP cannot fix that, so they say its an "accepted tactic".

Ingvar, My suggestion will not seriously affect active cloakers. If you are actively cloaked in a wormhole you will receive warning and are able to warp off to change the random point and prevent the decloak for say 10-15 mins to be fair?

What would affect you is CCP saying "Lets just fix this now" and swinging some massive cloak nerf bat. We dont want that

Removing local will not stop AFK cloaking.

That has already been talked about. We need to discuss removing the incentive to go away from the keyboard while cloaked in a hostile system.

But this affects active cloakers greatly in wormholes! You screw things up like this with your "massive cloak nerf bat". The problem regarding this auto-decloak in holes is that you take away the ambush. You can connect to a static, scan down the sites that need scanning, warp to one cloaked and simply wait. (Yes, you learn patience in the hole.) You may have to wait hours for the ambush to spring, it may never happen. However, being forced to warp all over the place while you're trying to wait is simply foolish and a poorly thought out response to a non-issue. Keep in mind, in a hole you may choose to afk at the ambush point for those hours, flipping over to an alt for example and doing other activities while you wait. You may want to take a bio, get some lunch, run to the store, then come back and see if the prey is in the trap. It could be hours, it could be minutes, it could be never. But, the fact remains that you're ill-though concept would destroy a perfectly viable and acceptible paradigm of wormhole existance, nerfing the inherent dangers in the systems.

The AFK cloaker will be able to get in and even if someone watches him come in he will be able to remain cloaked and then as usual come in for the hotdrop with no warning from Dscan.. Hell why am I even discussing this again? Removing local is of want of free ganks that ought to be obvious. Instead of discussing silly solutions that wreck nullsec such as removing local we need to discuss ways to remove the incentive to go AFK while cloaked while not ruining active cloaking operations.

Removing local will not stop AFK cloaking.

Removing the incentive to go AFK while cloaked is my goal. If AFK cloaking was the very center of your PVP then sorry but that is exactly what I want removed. That is not active cloaking that is AFK cloaking.

It is not a massive nerf bat to cloaking. Its a massive nerf to AFK cloaking and activities such as yourself.

The AFK cloaker will be able to get in and even if someone watches him come in he will be able to remain cloaked and then as usual come in for the hotdrop with no warning from Dscan.. Hell why am I even discussing this again?

Removing local is of want of free ganks that ought to be obvious.

Removing the incentive to go AFK while cloaked is my goal.

The AFK cloaker will be able to get in and even if someone watches him come in he will be able to remain cloaked and then as usual come in for the hotdrop with no warning from Dscan.. Hell why am I even discussing this again? Removing local is of want of free ganks that ought to be obvious. Instead of discussing silly solutions that wreck nullsec such as removing local we need to discuss ways to remove the incentive to go AFK while cloaked while not ruining active cloaking operations.

EDIT: BTW folks evidence that AFK cloaking affects Wormholes as well as nullsec. So lets focus on finding solutions to AFK cloaking instead of comparing WH to Null.

Let's try posting it again, since you seem to have missed relatively important parts...

1. When a ship cloaks, it disappears from local. You can't see it anymore, you have nothing to be afraid of, right?

2. When a ship cloaks, it also loses access to local. You lose the free intel of being able to sit there while cloaked at a safe seeing who's in system or not. You want more intel? Simply... use probes, use dscan, fly your lazy ass around and see who's where. In addition. when cloaked you can no longer be "warped to".

3. When you decloak, there should be a delay in being able to fire off a cyno. This balances the "invisible in local" thing, giving the poor bastard you're surprising at least a fighting chance to soil himself and run away.

It has a positive effect on wormholes however. You don't see one single thread complaining about afk cloaking in wormholes, do you? There's a reason for that.

That would affect active cloaking! I want to target just the inactive cloakers. An active cloaker ought to be able to keep active and watch for prey to do somthing stupid and hotdrop on them.

My solution removes the incentive to be away from the keyboard while cloaked.

That would affect active cloaking! I want to target just the inactive cloakers. An active cloaker ought to be able to keep active and watch for prey to do somthing stupid and hotdrop on them. Being active at the computer ought to be rewarded with good kills not nerfed to hell and back to fix AFK cloaking.

My solution removes the incentive to be away from the keyboard while cloaked. That is what I am targeting with my suggestion.

The funny thing is that people dont wan't "AFK Cloakies" around so THEY can AFK mine.

However... I Still have not seen anyone be able to prove when someone is AFK versus patiently waiting.
If they are AFK, how do they know when to attack you?

One we get some proof that everyone is AFK, then we can work on a solution for it.

I don't care if wormhole folks do not want to discuss ways to fix the issue. If they want to live with you going out to dinner with the folks and coming back to a free gank because you cant be found no matter if you are known or not. Well that is their buisness. I am targeting AFK cloaking and if that benefits WH users. So be it.

BY THE WAY

You guys here know that local as we know it is going to be removed, right!?

That is the problem in reality the only difference between an active cloaker and an inactive cloaker is in your mind, you basically want something to say in large letters "This neut is not active, rat on "

BY THE WAY

You guys here know that local as we know it is going to be removed, right!?

I don't care if wormhole folks do not want to discuss ways to fix the issue. If they want to live with you going out to dinner with the folks and coming back to a free gank because you cant be found no matter if you are known or not. Well that is their buisness. I am targeting AFK cloaking and if that benefits WH users. So be it.

IF that happens it will be replaced with somthing of equal use. Anything otherwise would wreck nullsec and CCP knows it.

No, I want something to say "Contact is decloaked"

If the contact is in my system and goes away from keyboard. I want to be able to kill it 15-30 mins later.

IF that happens it will be replaced with somthing of equal use. Anything otherwise would wreck nullsec and CCP knows it.

Having free ganks each and every day is a fantasy. If somehow it happened you would have them for a few months before people leave Nullsec and EVE in droves now can we focus on the topic please?