The proposition of a solution implies a problem. There exists no problem with AFK cloakers. AFK cloakers by definition are AFK and cannot hurt you.

Should I respond to this? Should I? Yep. You're a poor troll.

Only time you know he is NOT AFK is when he drops a cyno on your ass. Until that moment, all you can assume is that he will. But you already know that.

I still think you're Riverini but if you aren't then admitting that you got run out of nullsec by people who are afk is p funny.

Look up. See that thing flying above your head? That was the point of Lyris' post.

Should I respond to this? Should I? Yep. You're a poor troll.

Only time you know he is NOT AFK is when he drops a cyno on your ass. Until that moment, all you can assume is that he will. But you already know that.

lolz. Yep. I'm Riverini. There, ya found me out... That's why I hate Goons and Welpcats so much.

But yes. That, and the combination of JB nerf and Sanctum nerf.... And I'll bet my 10 ice roids to your 5 Brutix's that many did the same thing.

I can make more in highsec doing L4's or buzzing around WH's/lowsec looking for loose change.

Sorry. I get so used to nobody being clever 'round here that I miss it when it happens.

So you admit the problem is not that he is AFK cloaking, but that he might at any time attack you. How exactly is this different from being in a wormhole, or being in high-security space right before a suicide gank is perpetrated against you? In fact, how is it any different from being in nullsec with a local that's all blue, right prior to being the victim of an awox attack? Your problem seems to be with the fact that you cannot, ever, guarantee safety in EVE. This is an intended feature.

You can make more doing Incursions than you can doing L4s. You can make more owning a Tech moon than you can with Incursions. You can make more with marketeering than you can with a Tech moon. You can make more with a scam than you can with marketeering. You can make more with RMT than with most scams. You can make more with GM powers than you can with RMT. You can make more as a Dev than you can with GM powers. You can make more as the CEO of CCP hf than you can as a Dev. Where does the buck stop? You seem bitter overall that things aren't going exactly the way you'd like them.

That's a fair point and you're right - and nor should we be safe (with some exceptions in my view but I won't go there in this thread).

But in all of the examples above, player needs to be active and there is as much risk to the agressor as there is to the agressee. Except maybe in the case of a WH but he can't cyno in a fleet against you either. They all have to be there - as a fleet to pull off the kill.

As for highseccers, if a DekCo cowboy (who should be -10 to all ice miners by now) was in system and you kept mining, more fool he. He may have a good tank and decide you are no threat. If he sees 10 reds come in - he leaves. No such option with cyno fleet.

An AFK cloaky has no risk, no counter and is as effective as sending in a 50 man red fleet.

And he's in bed, fast asleep doing it.

Don't allow ships to fit both a cyno and a cloak at the same time. That'll stop the cap ship drops and the cloaky can continue to have fun being afk.

These threads make me want to START AFK cloaking.

Please tell your Alliance to grow a collective wang and deal with it. A high sec miner isn't safe, why should you be given free ISK at zero risk.

No it won't.

If I am going to go through the trouble to park a cloaking alt in your system, then it's not that much trouble to park a second, logged-off character in system that has a cyno fit. All this change would accomplish is to delay the hotdrop by a few seconds and to dissuade those whom are not very dedicated to what they are doing.

You know that the AFK cloaker is there; this alerts you to the possibility of risk. You can ignore that risk, or you can go elsewhere. You are actually in a much more advantageous position compared to being a random guy in highsec whom might find himself suddenly under attack by a couple of 10 Hour Hero characters (10-hour old dudes in destroyers), or someone in nullsec suddenly under attack by an awox.

Funny how all these kissGoon alts arrive at the same time as "the real thing"..... Surprise!!

And it takes a finite amount of time for a hot-drop to happen anyway. The titan pilot/supercap fleet/Blackops has to select the bridge to/jump to menu option, hit the relevant item, then if it's a bridging the ships in the fleet have to use the bridge - then they all have to load grid. Really, there's enough time for a properly paranoid victim of a drop to figure out what's happening. They might not be able to do anything about it if their ship is fat and slow, or they're a dumb bot (serves them right if they are), but a cyno != a doomsday.

At least, not since they took that stupid feature out years before I started playing EvE.

We can't help it if we have admirers.

And a 10 hour destro alt cannot kill a half decent tank. Needs many more and local is a dead giveaway to a half decent player.

Best drops are paired. Both on target, one drops cyno, other points. Under 10 seconds to a good team. You virtually have to be mashing warp before the decloak even happens.

And it takes a finite amount of time for a hot-drop to happen anyway. The titan pilot/supercap fleet/Blackops has to select the bridge to/jump to menu option, hit the relevant item, then if it's a bridging the ships in the fleet have to use the bridge - then they all have to load grid. Really, there's enough time for a properly paranoid victim of a drop to figure out what's happening. They might not be able to do anything about it if their ship is fat and slow, or they're a dumb bot (serves them right if they are), but a cyno != a doomsday.

At least, not since they took that stupid feature out years before I started playing EvE.

The best solution is just ignore the cloaky alts

The best solution is just ignore the cloaky alts

This thread is like a magnet for bad ideas about fixing a problem that doesn't really exist.

You're kidding right?

So if you were ratting in a PvE Tengu worth 100's of millions or a fleet of Hulks worth 100's of millions you'd be happy to accept the threat of a hotdrop at ANY tme?

You have absolutely no idea when - or if in all fairness - a drop could occur. You could put a 100 escorts in system and have every ratter/miner on watch list. By the time cyno is lit, drop made and bombs launched the escorts are only half way through warp to the screaming victim. And that's IF you're on the ball ready for it.

AFK cloakies kill systems. They know that - it's why it's done.