Remove local and you're self inflicted issue along with many others will go away.

whats the more simple less complex fix as ccp has only so much resourses...

simply nerf afk cloaking but not wolf pack hunting?

or removing local and intorducing a totally new game mechanic for ship detection?

let me explain... cloaking is ok infact its needed and great... but perma afk 23/7 cloaking is silly and op in its emotianal affect on the game

They're already doing the latterGǪ

if its the latter then i would prefer them to first nerf afk cloaking.

Sure. Now all anyone needs to do explain why that's neededGǪ


We're at 29 pages of no-one being able to so far.

comon tippa there are 29 pages of worthy arguments... you cant just disreguard all of them can you?... well you can "choose" too but youare better then that ... right

No, there really are no arguments for a nerf to the only tool people have to combat local.

cloaking is a counter to local... afk cloaking is an exploitation of a game mechanic to make local obsolete...

the first is awesome the second is lame duck

cloaking is a counter to local... afk cloaking is an exploitation of a game mechanic to make local obsolete...

Sure. Now all anyone needs to do explain why that's neededGǪ

cloaking is a counter to local... afk cloaking is an exploitation of a game mechanic to make local obsolete...

the first is awesome the second is lame duck

No. Cloaking is a counter to the overview and to scans; AFK cloaking is a counter to local, since it subverts its value as an intel tool.

Until that intel tool is fixed, AFK cloaking stays.

The fact that you can AFK without a cloak and have the same psychological warfare effect on someone, points to the fact it's not a cloaking issue.

you can? i was under the impression that they fixed un probable ships?

Indeed they did, but who mentioned those?

The primary goal with dealing with AFK cloakers is that the cloaky should be forced to decloak after N hours and spend 10-30 seconds uncloaked before they can cloak up again. That results in:

- Can't go AFK for more then 1-3 hours before they will be decloaked by game mechanics.
- Vulnerable during that 10-30 second window every so often.

That window of vulnerability needs to be in the control of the cloaky pilot. External events such as sov structures do not meet that goal.

- A fuel bay for the cloak probably won't result in a long enough vulnerability window. And most ships don't have a fuel bay.

- Fuel in the form of ammo might work, since you cannot reload a module without decloaking for 10 seconds. Proto-cloaks could have limited fuel capacity, T2 cloaks could have a 2x capacity and CovOp cloaks could have a 4x capacity. Fuel pricing would need to be around 50-100k ISK/hr, with Proto-cloak fuel lasting about 40 minutes.

- Overheating of the cloak would have interesting implications and makes a bit of sense since the heat from running the module cannot be emitted while cloaked, so it has to build up somewhere. Carry a bit of nanite paste and you can sneak off to a safe-spot once an hour and fix up your cloaking device's heat damage.

- If some sort of time limit is put in place, there needs to be modules that can extend that duration (20% for a T1 module, 30% for a T2 variant with stacking penalties - either slower cycling or less fuel/activation or less heat generated). There also needs to be some sort of skill that extends duration by 10% per level. Maybe even (2) skills, one to decrease the fuel/heat, another to increase the cycle duration.

A top-skilled pilot, in a ship fitted for covops (using the modules) work should have about a 2-3 hour window before they need to reload or repair. Without those skills/modules the duration should be about half of that.

The primary goal with dealing with AFK cloakers is that the cloaky should be forced to decloak after N hours and spend 10-30 seconds uncloaked before they can cloak up again. That results in:

- Can't go AFK for more then 1-3 hours before they will be decloaked by game mechanics.
- Vulnerable during that 10-30 second window every so often.

That window of vulnerability needs to be in the control of the cloaky pilot. External events such as sov structures do not meet that goal.

- A fuel bay for the cloak probably won't result in a long enough vulnerability window. And most ships don't have a fuel bay.

- Fuel in the form of ammo might work, since you cannot reload a module without decloaking for 10 seconds. Proto-cloaks could have limited fuel capacity, T2 cloaks could have a 2x capacity and CovOp cloaks could have a 4x capacity. Fuel pricing would need to be around 50-100k ISK/hr, with Proto-cloak fuel lasting about 40 minutes.

- Overheating of the cloak would have interesting implications and makes a bit of sense since the heat from running the module cannot be emitted while cloaked, so it has to build up somewhere. Carry a bit of nanite paste and you can sneak off to a safe-spot once an hour and fix up your cloaking device's heat damage.

- If some sort of time limit is put in place, there needs to be modules that can extend that duration (20% for a T1 module, 30% for a T2 variant with stacking penalties - either slower cycling or less fuel/activation or less heat generated). There also needs to be some sort of skill that extends duration by 10% per level. Maybe even (2) skills, one to decrease the fuel/heat, another to increase the cycle duration.

A top-skilled pilot, in a ship fitted for covops (using the modules) work should have about a 2-3 hour window before they need to reload or repair. Without those skills/modules the duration should be about half of that.

The fact that you can AFK without a cloak and have the same psychological warfare effect on someone, points to the fact it's not a cloaking issue.

I bet my Pony comb to your -10 that you don't/can't/won't.

Never flown a dramiel have we?

I have many times. Still do.

I asked if he went AFK in it. Pointed skyward with mwd is plausible, but why would ya?

If AFK system denial was the intent, you'd get the same effect in something worth 1/10 the cost.