How about you stop being ******* renters and join a real alliance that can actually defend the space you claim?

Problem solved.

This forum is less than a month old, are they to respond with a red and blue tag to every topic even if they've been over it 1000 times before on the old forums, now they are somehow beholden to you and yours to respond to your every beck and call?

So here you sit, insulting the helpful community thats trying to show you that you are not in fact treading over new ground and that everything you are saying and suggesting has both been said and suggested before, by a great number of people.

Do you really think that over 8 years somebody else hasn't said "Man I hate this cloaked dude in my system", and that somehow your stand with your 3 friends against 12 pages of people telling you that nobody cares will make a difference?

Stealthbombers also have no tank at all, if your botting program was any good, or you weren't afk yourself, you'd just turn your guns on the offending stealth bomber and watch him go up in smoke.

Until they uncloak and hotdrop on you.

Your silly solution is silly.


I will support the fuel bay idea. Tho I worry it might impact some legit deep scout operations.

In my opinion the best way is a rather expensive module that can only be fit on a destroyer (Tech 1 or 2) Hull. The purpose of this module would be launching a new type of probe that can unlock someone if a random point in space is located (A puzzle so to speak)

The difference is that each scan takes 10-20x the scan time of a normal probe and is heavily influenced by scanning skills. Also a warning flashes if someone is probing your cloak sig and warping away will cause the point to reset,

All this will do is remove the incentive to walk away from the keyboard while cloaked. You will have to check it once every few mins or so like people have to keep an eye on local today. This will balance the total power the AFK cloaker has and rewards the dedicated cloaker with being able to do serious recon as a benefit to his corp or alliance.

Remove the AFK cloak incentive leave local alone.

QFT

Carebears are NOT entitled to nullsec space free of intruders, if you want risk free PvE go back to highsec.

absolutely nothing wrong with parking a cloaky in someones system, especially when it extracts delicious carebear tears.

No argument against >>>>> this SINGLE point <<<< has been put forward conclusively. Everything else yes, but none of those were in question. NONE of them.....

>>>>>> NO cloaky can possibly be "active" for 23/7, 5,6,7 days straight - doesn't matter what he's doing. <<<<<<<

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No an argument has been presented, you've chosen to ignore it:


Can you prove 100% that the person in your local is AFK?

You got it. Finally....

Now i think you're on drugs.

And if you need it explained then best be leaving.....

I've heard heaps of Testies bitching real bad at AFK cloakies in 7BX and/or PXF when you're trying to rat.

From memory, one cloaky was in 7BX for more than a month..... Is he still there?

Did you "get him"?

[If anybody else reading this can figure out what the hell happened and help a brother out I sure would appreciate it.

IDK maybe he comes from a country where you aren't presumed innocent until proven other wise, or I'm just missing something, or I don't understand moonspeak and he's off calculating the cosmic flux of th e universe.

I feel like i was in a conversation and the other guy in it suddenly out of the blue went "AH HA!" then turned around and walked away humming to himself.

Can you prove 100% that the person in your local is AFK?

You got it. Finally.

You can't prove it and that's why it's so damned effective for system denial. It simply cannot be countered as a threat.

A low SP cloaky alt can shut down a whole system and he doesn't even need to be awake. If there was an appropriate counter (which is what we're asking for) then it's not an issue.

Any TESTie who whines about AFK cloakers is just asking to be trolled to no end by the rest of the alliance. I personally have never had a problem with AFK cloakers, if someone is parked in a ratting system I just find a different system to rat in until they leave.

Also anyone who rats in 6VDT or 7BX is just asking to get ganked.

Thanks to having a large npc pocket fountain is well infested with pirates looking for ratters to gank, yet you never see TEST whining about afk cloakers (even though on any given day several of our ratting systems will have afk cloakers in them).

Virtually all of the afk cloaker whine seems to come from lolrenters.

So wait, what if he's not afk and just generally an insomniac and stays up for days at a time?

You sound more like you want to nerf cloaking, is that true?

Also whats wrong with all the effective counters proposed in this thread?

Dude, you're either new there or you don't rat. Testies were the biggest whiners about AFK cloakies I ever heard or saw. So often I heard

"ffs, can someone come kill this fn cloaky, he's been here 2 weeks!!"
" let's form a fleet and get this cloaky, he's pissing me off"

yadda ya....

As always reply was. You can't. Which is the point of this topic.

19 pages and cloakies still working exactly as intended. Yawn.

Yes they do. I used to blop with a rapier on the bridge as point man. The waiting and anticipation to get a blob in and smack some poor ratter was joyous. Succesful blops feeels sooo elite.....

And get this, if the AFK cloakies were made to fight or spooked into action, all the boys in system would know when a cloaky came in that a fight was on, instead of having their time wasted with faggotry.

It'd make blops even more joyous...

You know, turn it from "yawn, again?!" to "LET"S DO THIS!"......

SoGǪ even after all those pages, I can't help noticing that still is no explanation why AFK cloakers are supposedly a problem that needs to be solved.

So wait, what if he's not afk and just generally an insomniac and stays up for days at a time?

You sound more like you want to nerf cloaking, is that true?


Also whats wrong with all the effective counters proposed in this thread?

So wait, what if he's not afk and just generally an insomniac and stays up for days at a time?

You sound more like you want to nerf cloaking, is that true?


Also whats wrong with all the effective counters proposed in this thread?

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WIth my plan if he is serious about being on the PC the whole time all you will have to do is warp away when the warning pops up that you are about to be uncloaked. Then its 15 mins if they care to find your random uncloak point again. Any warp = point reset = skilled active pilot not being seriously affected.

There are no counters other than to run away or dock up indefinitely. Which is exactly the point.

BTW just in case some folks just dont get it let me quote some parts of the EVE forums rules.
Trolling is prohibited.

Just because a topic is in general does NOT give you the right to violate the forums TOS.

Jesus, these people would never make it in a wormhole.

Ranting is prohibited

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Please keep this on topic.

Stating that I will use the forum report function to report posts that violate the TOS is not holding up a gun to someones head. Saying so is libel.

A warp off to stop the probe process is quick and easy you just have to go off grid and come back. Which ought to take mere seconds. If you miss a kill it is because you have messed up your warp system.