If I point a gun at your head, then tell you not to do something or I'll shoot you, then you aren't going to do it are you?
Its the same thing. A cloaker in local is effectively pointing a cyno at anyone in system.

Now, if I should step behind a wall and poke the barrel through a piece of fabric covering a whole in the wall (making it clear I can still see you as a cloaker can also via local/d-scan), are you going to risk doing it? After all, theres no proof I'm am still holding the gun at all. I could of gone to sleep for all you know. The point is you DON'T know. However would you take the risk? I'm willing to bet the answer is no in all but extremely rare circumstances (or incredibly stupid people)

Its about POTENTIAL damage, particually if you are trying to make ISK. Losing a ship sets that back a long way and puts Null so far behind L4s or Incursions or WHs that its pointless to be in Null at all.

Belay that phaser order, fire photon torpedoes!

Plasma seeking torpedoes

Yeah, I don't care about this issue at all. I mean, I care enough to post in a thread about it but that's mostly for the entertainment value of watching people talk themselves in circles of cognitive dissonance. Whatever change that does or does not happen, competent people will adapt and incompetent people will whine on the forums.

Wow impressive use of fancy words just to say "I don't give a ****" Linguistic skills paying those bills!

Wow impressive use of fancy words just to say "I don't give a ****" Linguistic skills paying those bills!

Why is this thread still here?

Why is this thread still here?

Because each side keeps failing to present valid arguments to the other?

No. Because one side is immune to valid arguments because they want to remove cloaking but don't want to come out and say it (because they are unable to explain why such a change should happen).

That's one of the failed arguments and i agree with you.

Want to hear another failed argument from the other side? They want cloaked ships to remain 100% detection proof, but are also unable to explain how that is balanced with the rest of the game.

That's one of the failed arguments and i agree with you.

Want to hear another failed argument from the other side? They want cloaked ships to remain 100% detection proof, but are also unable to explain how that is balanced with the rest of the game.

They cant do anything or hurt anyone while cloaked.

You know what would be abetter fix? having the cyno anchor module be a bit larger that a el-chepo frigate cant fit it anymore. Then increase the skills required to use them so you have a better idea if cloaky alt is afking or its somone's main as they spent a bit more sp to ensure the place can goto heck soon.

What's screwing the balance up is the fact that you can already detect the presence of cloaked vessels in empire space when they're cloaked. Address THAT issue and you will find your balance grasshopper.

If they can't do anything, why are you out there in the first place?

Hiding.

Log off? Same goal achieved, but you're now 100% safe.

Cant stalk the foolish if I log off.

Hiding.

But you can't stalk the foolish while you're cloaked either, since a cloaked ship can't do anything....

oh wait.

Correct, I cannot hurt you in any way while I am cloaked.

So if you can't do anything, log off.

Can't play eve if I log off silly. Just because I am cloaked and cant hurt you in any way or turn on anything while my cloak is active doesn't mean I am not doing something.

Want to hear another failed argument from the other side? They want cloaked ships to remain 100% detection proof, but are also unable to explain how that is balanced with the rest of the game.

Sweet ninja edit ^^

So according to you, now, you can do something while cloaked

No. Because one side is immune to valid arguments because they want to remove cloaking but don't want to come out and say it (because they are unable to explain why such a change should happen).

No-one asked for cloakies to be removed.

The request is for non-active cloakies to be able to be located.

Yes they did. That is the result of the suggestions they provide.
GǪfor no adequately explained or even remotely useful reason whatsoever.

That's their job.

It's balanced for the same reason that Hulks extracting Veldspar with their mining lasers is balanced.

The difference is that the cloak's job is being ruined by an overly powerful intel tool that ignores the protection the cloak is meant to provide. Cloaks are not the problem GÇö they never were. The problem is that people see them anyway and are afraid of the monsters their own minds conjure up from this piece of information.