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Sniped117
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:59:00 -
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in the best interest of my alliance im posting on an alt.
On my main i am in null sec and seen enemies to my alliance go in each of our systems with an alt and go cloaked for days and days on end. this disrupts our operations to ratting mining and other profitable isk ways. it started to tear down my alliance these people sitting cloaked off grid waiting to pick off the easy targets when we least expect it and hotdropping us time to time.. It brought my alliance mostly to a halt.
A debatable Solution:
Make it so to activate cloaking modules you must have a fuel to power it instead of using Capacitor power. Maybe a fuel like nitrogen isotopes that is consumed per hour using your cloaky module and is stored in your cargo bay or a cloaked fuels bay. So say covert ops cloak ships with the bonuses to use less fuel per hour would use less fuel per hour while being cloaked moving around while ships with prototype cloaks use more fuel per hour.
Just a thought
cloaking ships are invincible if not seen and menacing and fun to use to your liking. Its a pain in the ass when an alt is sitting in your system for days and days on end... a fuel to consume would eventually run out in were the fuel is held and uncloak the ship therefore easier to find and sotp
cloaking ships have no counter everything else has a counter lets make one for cloakies |
Gogurt
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:05:00 -
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ITT: sensitive miner succumbs to space delirium, due to AFK person |
Sniped117
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:06:00 -
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Gogurt wrote:ITT: sensitive miner succumbs to space delirium, due to AFK person
that and PVE
cloaking ships need a counter its been way too long |
Mutie DaPig
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:10:00 -
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Any Sov module or something that sends out a pulse every couple of hours that will decloak any ship (not disable it's cloak - the pilot can recloak straight away - or can't solely as he/she is AFK) |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:12:00 -
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remove local first. |
Donatella D'Tren
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:12:00 -
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The counter is have friends protect you. Seems simple. |
Mallak Azaria
Three 6 MaFiA
Bringers of Death.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:12:00 -
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Sniped117 wrote:
cloaking ships need a counter its been way too long
False statement. There is a counter to cloak.
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Gogurt
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:13:00 -
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The only thing you have to fear is fear itself, AFK people, ghosts, monsters aren't going to hurt you. Unless they're not AFK in which case they don't need CCP ******* with them |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:18:00 -
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Sniped117 wrote:
On my main i am in null sec and seen enemies to my alliance go in each of our systems with an alt and go cloaked for days and days on end. this disrupts our operations to ratting mining and other profitable isk ways. it started to tear down my alliance these people sitting cloaked off grid waiting to pick off the easy targets when we least expect it and hotdropping us time to time.. It brought my alliance mostly to a halt.
A few things.
You have an alliance brought to it's knees by a guy who's down at the Kwik-E-Mart mart? Might be time to reassess what you are doing in 0.0.
Second. If you are being hot dropped or picked off then he's not AFK, is he?
Working as intended.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:18:00 -
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How about you stop being ******* renters and join a real alliance that can actually defend the space you claim?
Problem solved. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:20:00 -
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I found a way. |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:20:00 -
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Please don't be dumb Nova,
Local can't be removed till a completely new scanner system is implemented that would give players some warning of other ships nearby without requiring the player to scan to spam a button every 3 seconds or less.
AFK cloakers do need removing, as you can't tell if they are AFK or not..... If they are AFK, fine they are no threat.... if they aren't AFK then they could be sitting 10km away with their finger on point/cyno buttons. Its impossible for a player to know which is which! Often because they are both depending on which particular moment you are talking about.
A module doing a de-cloak burst every 20-30 minutes (deliberatly random, help stops scripts from countering it) would do wonders here without stopping the true purpose of cloaks, bypassing gate camps and harassment. |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:22:00 -
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A" solution" would imply that there is a problem in the first place. The only "problem" with AFK cloakers is the one you are creating for yourself by running away from them. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:22:00 -
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hooray, this topic again.
didn't realize we're in F&I, where bad ideas go to die. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:31:00 -
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Donatella D'Tren wrote:The counter is have friends protect you. Seems simple.
lol. Never been hotdropped huh?
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:39:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:How about you stop being ******* renters and join a real alliance that can actually defend the space you claim?
Problem solved.
And you're obviously content to sit with your ratters and miners hour after hour, fingers on the lock button just waiting for the covert cyno? Unless you're super quick, you ain't gonna get that cyno lighter fast enough. Ever.....
Need pee-bag, lunch, dinner and a servant to bring your food and fluff your bag while you sit. Include 5 lines of sneeze to keep you sharp after the 3rd day.....
Nobody who has ever been AFK cloaked knows where or when it comes..... Nor do you know who or what it is coming through.
Standard alliance/corp protocol is simply not to rat/mine with neut in system. It's called denial and is far more effective against an alliance than actually doing a drop.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:40:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:A" solution" would imply that there is a problem in the first place. The only "problem" with AFK cloakers is the one you are creating for yourself by running away from them.
Running away from them..... lol.
If you knew where they were, yep....
Cracks me up.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:43:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Donatella D'Tren wrote:The counter is have friends protect you. Seems simple. lol. Never been hotdropped huh?
if you were hotdropped, then he wasn't AFK, now was he?
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ain't that right |
seany1212
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:45:00 -
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Confirming that removing local will remove your afk cloaker problems |
Seatox
Department of Defence
Important Internet Spaceship League
0
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:46:00 -
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Get in a fleet with your allies (y'know, those people who are supposedly your friends?), get in your voice coms (you have voice coms, right?), have some people in Sabers sitting around fondling their autocannons, and bait that sucker out. Then shoot him. If he lights a cyno, shoot him anyway. If he dosn't do anything then you win anyway, because he's AFK.
I mean, I'm a semi-bear new to this 0.0 thing, but cloakies don't bother me one bit. They just make me ping dscan more for probes and fly something with a decent insurance payout that I can replace if things go welp-shaped. |
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:49:00 -
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Really, AFK Cloakers are fine the way they are.
You can do the same thing to your enemies, and you can always start (HEAVEN FORBID) start ratting in combat ready fits or even ratting in groups. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
244
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:53:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:The Apostle wrote:Donatella D'Tren wrote:The counter is have friends protect you. Seems simple. lol. Never been hotdropped huh? if you were hotdropped, then he wasn't AFK, now was he?
Here's the thing, you don't KNOW if he's AFK so you ALWAYS need to assume he is not.
The idea of a deprecating cloak is sound against the AFK aspect which is the issue I think OP is on about. If he's active, let him recloak all he likes.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:54:00 -
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And if he had been sitting in the system for 10 hours previously AFK, does it make any difference?
Its the sitting there for 10 hours with ZERO risk and the threat of a hot-drop that is the problem here! If they had to be active to maintain the cloak then there wouldn't be a problem. It would be a pain in the arse when someone did it to you, but it would be OK. The problem is that someone AFK can sit there, with zero risk, holding a entire system to ransom, with no effort.
I use AFK cloaking myself to massive advantage and let me tell you, if people are stupid enough to rat while I'm in system (I check back every few hours when I can) then they generally get a bomb in the face followed by torps at a rather critical moment. If I have cap backup online, well then its even worse for them!
Basically the only defence for AFK cloaking that it's supporters can offer is that it can in theory be defended against, however you are asking the defenders to put literally thousands of times as much effort in as the AFK cloaker AND to be the ones taking the big risks (losing their expensive PvP and ratting ships) which simply isn't viable.
As for 'defending your space', well I can get a SB into ANY SYSTEM IN EVE with virtually no risk or effort so basically what you are saying at the moment is that no alliance in eve is capable of defending it's space....... due to AFK cloaking. If anything this is another reason it needs to be fixed. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:06:00 -
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Seatox wrote:Get in a fleet with your allies (y'know, those people who are supposedly your friends?), get in your voice coms (you have voice coms, right?), have some people in Sabers sitting around fondling their autocannons, and bait that sucker out. Then shoot him. If he lights a cyno, shoot him anyway. If he dosn't do anything then you win anyway, because he's AFK.
I mean, I'm a semi-bear new to this 0.0 thing, but cloakies don't bother me one bit. They just make me ping dscan more for probes and fly something with a decent insurance payout that I can replace if things go welp-shaped.
Read post #16 why escorts are pointless.
Test this theory by sitting with an alt/corpie in a Rapier and tell him to decloak whenever he wants. See if you can lock him before he can type 'boo' into local after he decloaks. If you get lock, see if you can burn to him and kill him before he can type 'hahahahaha' in local.
Ya couldn't could ya? Cyno is up and fleet is in. Bye Bye.....
And insofar as probes. 90% of cloaking is done for 2 reasons.
- Cheap ratter/miner kills
- System denial
Cloakers do not need to probe for either. They can do a very quick single probe drop lasting a few seconds for "fast anom find" mode but they can do it just as easily with no probes.
And insurance is pointless. 95% of 0.0 miners and ratters don't use T1.
In my experience, the only people that support AFK cloakers are AFK cloakers or people who have no idea how effective they can be for a 30 day alt.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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baltec1
88
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:10:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:
Read post #16 why escorts are pointless.
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See post #11 to see how wrong you are. |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:20:00 -
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Your refering to the one that links to a page saying 'Kill not found, please use a valid kill id' ?
Or the other one where you are standing up and facing away from us so we can hear you more clearly?
Either way it makes no difference.
The simple fact it requires thousands of times more effort to defend against AFK cloakers than the AFK cloaker puts in is simply unbalanced.
There is a simple solution, head back to hi-sec and run missions. I don't think this is what CCP wants however currently Null is fairly pointless on an individual pilot level unless they are building supers, and afk cloakers been able to do this is one of the main problems.
Again, I do AFK cloaking myself, I know exactly how effective it is, what it can do and the lack of anything regarding risk doing it. If you are inflicting that much economical damage on an enemy, it should take effort and risk, not a free ride which it pretty much is at the moment. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
244
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The Apostle wrote:
Read post #16 why escorts are pointless.
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See post #11 to see how wrong you are.
You know as well as I do it was a lucky kill (or stupid pilots). I've chased SB fleets that have dropped all around space after they did a bombing run and split up. They go doggoe and just wait it out.
With 20 or so ratters in system and maybe a few miners you simply cannot escort against bombers before they do a kill because you do NOT know where they're gonna drop.
Sure you might get them afterwards, if they're stupid enough to try and break out immediately or forget to cloak up.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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baltec1
88
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:29:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:baltec1 wrote:The Apostle wrote:
Read post #16 why escorts are pointless.
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See post #11 to see how wrong you are. You know as well as I do it was a lucky kill (or stupid pilots). I've chased SB fleets that have dropped all around space after they did a bombing run and split up. They go doggoe and just wait it out. With 20 or so ratters in system and maybe a few miners you simply cannot escort against bombers before they do a kill because you do NOT know where they're gonna drop. Sure you might get them afterwards, if they're stupid enough to try and break out immediately or forget to cloak up.
After 2 days of me kicking them about they left the system and didnt return. Job done. |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:33:00 -
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Well done, you managed to prove there are two fail SB pilots.... thats all.
Either that or they disconnected/lagged out. (since deliberatly forcing them to lag out is an exploit this isn't a valid tactic)
You have successfully proved nothing.... zero, zip, nada.
Either come back with something constructive or please just leave. You've made yourself look bad enough for one day ;) |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.10.12 00:36:00 -
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Rhinanna wrote:Well done, you managed to prove there are two fail SB pilots.... thats all.
Either that or they disconnected/lagged out. (since deliberatly forcing them to lag out is an exploit this isn't a valid tactic)
You have successfully proved nothing.... zero, zip, nada.
Either come back with something constructive or please just leave. You've made yourself look bad enough for one day ;)
I dont get bottled up by afk cloakers while you do. Who is doing badly here? |
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