the domi model looks too ugly i know some people like that giant turd look but not all of us please update its appearance to look like the carrier youve turned it into

CCP have you considered swapping the roles between the Hyperion and Megathron for aesthetic and symbolic reasons? The relatively sleek looking Hyperion seems much more fitting as an attack battleship, while the Megathron looks more like a lumbering behemoth that would go toe to toe with an Abbadon.

An alternative:

Megathron: combat battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% tracking per level
7500 / 8000 / 8500
more capacitor, reduction in speed and agility, more CPU
slot: 8/4/7, 7 turrets
dronebay 125/150

It becomes a fleet brawler with more inbuilt ehp instead of an 8th low (no more jealous amarrians!) or versatile small gang BS with drones and utility high. Fits aesthetically with it's large bulk and visible dronebay.

Hyperion: attack battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% reps per level
6300/ 6500 / 7500
increase in speed and agility, stats adjusted (nerfed) to attack role
slot: 8/5/6
dronebay 75/75

Yes, give them both a rate if fire bonus! It offsets the low amount of lowslots. With an increase in speed and the retention of it's 5th mid slot, the Hyperion can be fitted as an agile shield ganker or fast active armour tanker, using nano pump rigs rather than the trimarks that would cause the Megathron to perform poorly as a fast BS. It doesn't end up wasting a hull bonus in fleet fights it isn't designed for and remains the small scale ganker/tanker it is clearly meant to be. It looks more the part, since it's kinda like a larger Thorax aesthetically and in terms of being fast for it's class and being able to both shield and armour tank.

Hyperion: attack battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% reps per level
6300/ 6500 / 7500
increase in speed and agility, stats adjusted (nerfed) to attack role
slot: 8/5/6, 8 turrets
dronebay 75/75

Yes, give them both a rate of fire bonus! It offsets the low amount of lowslots. With an increase in speed and the retention of it's 5th mid slot, the Hyperion can be fitted as an agile shield ganker or fast active armour tanker, using nano pump rigs rather than the trimarks that would cause the Megathron to perform poorly as a fast BS. It doesn't end up wasting a hull bonus in fleet fights it isn't designed for and remains the small scale ganker/tanker it is clearly meant to be. It looks more the part, since it's kinda like a larger Thorax aesthetically and in terms of being fast for it's class and being able to both shield and armour tank.

-Also battleships tank and mobility still needs to be buffed a great deal to make them worthwhile using any plans here?

CCP have you considered swapping the roles between the Hyperion and Megathron for aesthetic and symbolic reasons? The relatively sleek looking Hyperion seems much more fitting as an attack battleship, while the Megathron looks more like a lumbering behemoth that would go toe to toe with an Abbadon.

An alternative:

Megathron: combat battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% tracking per level
7500 / 8000 / 8500
more capacitor, reduction in speed and agility, more CPU
slot: 8/4/7, 7 turrets
dronebay 125/150

It becomes a fleet brawler with more inbuilt ehp instead of an 8th low (no more jealous amarrians!) or versatile small gang BS with drones and utility high. Fits aesthetically with it's large bulk and visible dronebay.

Hyperion: attack battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% reps per level
6300/ 6500 / 7500
increase in speed and agility, stats adjusted (nerfed) to attack role
slot: 8/5/6, 8 turrets
dronebay 75/75

Yes, give them both a rate if fire bonus! It offsets the low amount of lowslots. With an increase in speed and the retention of it's 5th mid slot, the Hyperion can be fitted as an agile shield ganker or fast active armour tanker, using nano pump rigs rather than the trimarks that would cause the Megathron to perform poorly as a fast BS. It doesn't end up wasting a hull bonus in fleet fights it isn't designed for and remains the small scale ganker/tanker it is clearly meant to be. It looks more the part, since it's kinda like a larger Thorax aesthetically and in terms of being fast for it's class and being able to both shield and armour tank.

You could even just give Gallente three combat battleships.

This would make a lot of sense, eventhough I think the perfect Megathron layout would be 7/5/7.

I don't find the swap a bad idea. However, 7 slots for a combat ship, that needs to fit other things than guns (reverse that an attack role) I find it's kind of not enough. Combat = 8 slots (defenders, neut, nos, drone mods) / Attack = 7 slots

I don't find the swap a bad idea. However, 7 slots for a combat ship, that needs to fit other things than guns (reverse that an attack role) I find it's kind of not enough. Combat = 8 slots (defenders, neut, nos, drone mods) / Attack = 7 slots

the domi model looks too ugly i know some people like that giant turd look but not all of us please update its appearance to look like the carrier youve turned it into

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+1 extra control able drone per level

I'm not sure about that. Combat BS or not, it's still a gallente BS, and a mid slot should be enough for utility. With 8 high slot you are also relegated to 8/4/7, like the old Mega.

The more I thinkto everything, and the more I like the first proposal. :-(

Going to agree with this heavily. Allot of the models in this game need revamps for two major reasons. 1. Because they looking ******* ugly and stoopid, 2. Because their roles have changed and the models should reflect what the ship is geared towards. For example, the Geddon is now becoming a drone ship, It should have modeled drone bays much like the new destroyer lineup have.

And Why One of The gallente Battleship don't have any electronics Warfare Bonus like scorpion or Armageddon ??

Why do you hate gallente so much? or is it that you don't understand it?

Suggested dominix model rework: http://i.imgur.com/Tj7OiJp.jpg

Going to agree with this heavily. Allot of the models in this game need revamps for two major reasons. 1. Because they looking ******* ugly and stoopid, 2. Because their roles have changed and the models should reflect what the ship is geared towards. For example, the Geddon is now becoming a drone ship, It should have modeled drone bays much like the new destroyer lineup have.

This issue would be covered if the Domi were to get + drone bandwidth... or the less controversial + all drone functionality including EWAR and logi drones (which would accomplish a similar goal).

I think CCP Rise does understand that drone capability is about versatility and the iconic drone ship should represent that.

Instead, we are moving from versatility to pigeon-hole role.

Heck I even noticed with the missile slots on the geddon, it makes a better progression ship to training towards a Rattlesnake... barring the Amarr ship training of course.

The issue is primarily CCP getting us addicted ever since the new mega/tempest/stabber hulls :S

Forget it IMO. This feature have been removed in the past because of server overload ; nowadays, only cap ships have more than 5 drones, and during cap fights, its a mess (server performances wise) largely because of the swarms of fighter bombers motherships launch.

CCP have you considered swapping the roles between the Hyperion and Megathron for aesthetic and symbolic reasons? The relatively sleek looking Hyperion seems much more fitting as an attack battleship, while the Megathron looks more like a lumbering behemoth that would go toe to toe with an Abbadon.

An alternative:

Megathron: combat battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% tracking per level
7500 / 8000 / 8500
more capacitor, reduction in speed and agility, more CPU
slot: 8/4/7, 7 turrets
dronebay 125/150

It becomes a fleet brawler with more inbuilt ehp instead of an 8th low (no more jealous amarrians!) or versatile small gang BS with drones and utility high. Fits aesthetically with it's large bulk and visible dronebay.

Hyperion: attack battleship
5% rate of fire and 7.5% reps per level
6300/ 6500 / 7500
increase in speed and agility, stats adjusted (nerfed) to attack role
slot: 8/5/6, 8 turrets
dronebay 75/75

Yes, give them both a rate of fire bonus! It offsets the low amount of lowslots. With an increase in speed and the retention of it's 5th mid slot, the Hyperion can be fitted as an agile shield ganker or fast active armour tanker, using nano pump rigs rather than the trimarks that would cause the Megathron to perform poorly as a fast BS. It doesn't end up wasting a hull bonus in fleet fights it isn't designed for and remains the small scale ganker/tanker it is clearly meant to be. It looks more the part, since it's kinda like a larger Thorax aesthetically and in terms of being fast for it's class and being able to both shield and armour tank.

You could even just give Gallente three combat battleships.

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Plus, can somebody tell me what an armour tanking, turret fitted dominix is meant to do with 5 midslots? You won't need those mids for omnidirectional tracking links due to the hull bonus. So you should consider giving the Dominix -1 mid and then an extra high so that it can fit a drone link augmentor on top of it's guns or an extra low for more tank and gank. Plus some extra base targeting range. Or just give the Dominix a different hull bonus and let players make a choice about whether to use their mids on omnidirectionals.

If the Mega is getting swapped to Combat, it cannot have 8 lows. The HP bonus is basically giving it a free plate, so it would be downright broken. 8 lows allows the Assault Mega iteration to fix its extremely low base stats via a second plate.

Check again, my proposal has 7 lows.

At this point the Amarr line up is geared toward better progression than the Gallente line up.
Most Amarr drone ships get a bonus to Energy neutralizers, which happen to have the same prerequisite skill as energy transfers which the Archon gets a bonus to.
The Gallente line up, while it has its strengths, takes a sharp turn after the Vexor and kinda goes where ever and then takes another big twist on the way to the Thanatos, as the only thing it has in common with its sub cap cousins is the drone aspect.

I suppose, though with an 11 day train on large T2 neuts it's not exactly progression training. More like something you stick in your queue cause it's silly not to.

Large T2 missile systems take a month just to be able to slap it on your ship and another couple of weeks to months depending on how decent you want to be a blapping stuff with them.

Speed / Class / Name

89 Combat Rohk
89 Combat Abaddon
94 Combat Maelstrom
94 Disrupt Scorpion
100 Combat Armageddon
109 Combat Dominix
113 Attack Apocalypse
113 Attack Raven
115 Combat Hyperion
120 Attack Tempest
122 Attack Megathron
130 Attack Typhoon


The hyperion has far too much base speed it is faster than 2 of the races attack bs
Some more thought needs to go in here I think, Classes should be viable across all races no just within a race.

Hyp speed to 105
Domi to 100
Raven and Apoc to 120
Mega to 130