Sounds like sour grapes to me. Thankfully CCP is sticking to a sound concept because the concept you were suggesting was very bad. CCP Rise indicated that a slot layout change on the Tempest was a bit too extreme, so you might as well forget it now and focus on something which is practical. Such as an increase in Dps on the current hull which is what I am looking for now.

I'm going to do some maths and work out a good bonus which will put it just below the mael in terms of sustained dps, and a little below the Tornado in terms of alpha. Ill post up the proposal later when I have a bit of time.

I will not waste time makign proposals based on current slot layout because its nearly impossible to get a USEFUL ship with that slot layout on current metagame.

It is just an illusory barrier which you and some others have put up in front of yourself.

If you take of your blinkers you'll find that the ship will be a very great ship, similar to a bigger brother to a hurricane. With an extra Dps boost it will become an amazing ship.

Funny as how it was not extreme enough to be done on the hyperion.. double values here.... clear double values. The tempest main problem is the slot layout. Seem that the tempest is simply cursed forever...

I will not waste time makign proposals based on current slot layout because its nearly impossible to get a USEFUL ship with that slot layout on current metagame.

Don't mind her. I've been around long enough to see them make this mistake over and over again. They've finally gone in the right direction with the Hyperion, and maybe with :metrics: in time, they'll realise they've made the mistake, yet again, with the Tempest.

Don't mind her. I've been around long enough to see them make this mistake over and over again. They've finally gone in the right direction with the Hyperion, and maybe with :metrics: in time, they'll realise they've made the mistake, yet again, with the Tempest.

Tempest don't blasters or armor rep bonus and the Hyperion previously didn't had 2 utility high. The comparison between the Hyperion and Tempest is a bit excessive IMO.

Yest he is right. One of the MAIN reason a lot of battleships are not used anymore is that their roles have been raped by the attack BC.

The talos, tornado and ORcale should get the fittign bonus only for AC, Blasters and Pulses.

Tempest don't blasters or armor rep bonus and the Hyperion previously didn't had 2 utility high. The comparison between the Hyperion and Tempest is a bit excessive IMO.

Beyond getting lectured by the alt of some noob who thinks it's a good idea to fit weapons rigs on a battleship - I already know where fuc.king with the speed/class role over lap goes.

Do you realise your coming across as someone who has got their head stuck so far up their own arse I'm surprised you can actually see out to make any balance suggestions? Your proposal was absolutely awful, you were trying to set the Tempest to compete with the Tornado which as pointed out is a fools errand.

As for not fitting weapon rigs on a BS,,, ok, please go and even have a look at suggested goonswarm fittings, Agony fitting suggestions, and pretty much any null entity which gives out fitting suggestions for BS's. Guess what, they all use weapon rigs. I'm sorry but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and that is becoming plainly evident.

And how many of those entities use battleship in the way the hew typhoon (that spawned this discussion) is intended to be used? Weapon rigs are failure in 9/10 times in battleships. 0.0 doctrines a LOT of times are not the best fit, becauser they must allow a MASS of members to train fast to a specific setup and keep costs reasonable (although that does nto mean CHEAP)

yes.. tempest need both its bonuses to mattch the SINGLE bonus from the hyperion. Your attempt to put the hyperion as the victim in fact doubles back at you. The tempest is twice in disadvantage there.


Tempest currently is paying huge price of 2 bonuses of damage to achieve dps of 1 normal Battleship, a horrible slot layout and a mediocre drone bay to get what? A single extra high slot free for neutralizers . The neutralizer is cool. But the difference between 1 and 2 neutralizers is MUCH smaller than between 0 and 1. All the price that tempest pays for it is not worht it. And now that the mobility role has been stolen by attack BC and the neutralzier role has been stolen by the armageddon. .. now the tempest is paying a HUGE price.. to be mediocre on that role.


That role does not exist anymore. the tempest must receive the same treatment as the hyperion. Ignore for a moment the maelstrom exists. Why would a tempest not be justified to have 10% damage per level 7.5% shield boost per level.. move 1 high to a mid.. and gain 125m drone bay? before you say its overpowered.. pay attention. is EXACLTY what was done to the hyperion. It would be a mirror ship. IF that is not acceptable for the tempest.. then its not as well for the hyperion.


There are better options than that.. but the current layout is simply unable to provide a realistic role with an acceptable level of performance.

Gah, best ignoring those who don't post with their mains.

And how many of those entities use battleship in the way the hew typhoon (that spawned this discussion) is intended to be used? Weapon rigs are failure in 9/10 times in battleships. 0.0 doctrines a LOT of times are not the best fit, becauser they must allow a MASS of members to train fast to a specific setup and keep costs reasonable (although that does nto mean CHEAP

Ok keep digging your heads into the sand. You can easily go onto their sites and see the weapon rigs are pretty fundamental to the ship fittings. Also cost is a very important factor, a full set of weapon rigs cost a fraction of the price of 3 trimarks. But that isn't the only reason, I can name many more situations where weapon rigs are much better than endurance rigs. But to go to great length I feel I would be wasting my time as it is futile to discuss when opinions are so blinkered. But anyway, don't take my word for it, you can go onto their websites how prevelant weapon rigs are for yourselves if you wish.

Exactly why are you comparing an Attack bc to a combat one? Why don't you compare it's stats to the megathron then see how well it stacks up to it's actual class

Ok keep digging your heads into the sand. You can easily go onto their sites and see the weapon rigs are pretty fundamental to the ship fittings. Also cost is a very important factor, a full set of weapon rigs cost a fraction of the price of 3 trimarks. But that isn't the only reason, I can name many more situations where weapon rigs are much better than endurance rigs. But to go to great length I feel I would be wasting my time as it is futile to discuss when opinions are so blinkered. But anyway, don't take my word for it, you can go onto their websites how prevelant weapon rigs are for yourselves if you wish.

Exactly why are you comparing an Attack bc to a combat one? Why don't you compare it's stats to the megathron then see how well it stacks up to it's actual class

thats just uber nonsense

every ship is compareable with every other if you define the intended use and then compare every aspect.
so the coparison between hyperion and tempest is completely viable until you proove he missed something.

to make it even clearer why would anyone fly a ship thats outclassed by another in every or near every aspect?

+12.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire.

i quote my self here:

LOLfits obviously with meta-levels shifted around for fitting, but note high slot usage on the Megathron. Megathron outdamages the Tempest beyond neut range.

And the tempest can apply damage and maintain distance from well beyond neutron/null

As promised earlier, after a bit of tweaking and playing around with some numbers I've come up with a pretty solid way forward possibly with the Tempest.

Tempest:

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+12.5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff

Slot layout: 8H, 5M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG, 550 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6900 (-100) / 6900 (-400) / 6500 (-300)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400 / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130 (+10) / .11 (-0.1) / 101050000 / ??
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 350 (-10)

And the tempest can apply damage and maintain distance from well beyond neutron/null