they're just making high sec harder to make profitable so that people will go to low and null.

So, mining in WH becomes almost as dangerous as mining in NO high-sec? Don't see the problem... :)

They never said they're doing that.

Funny, they've been saying it for years.

Hey guys, I came up with this really awsome idea that should totally fix the ice problems. No need for blubbering and crying and screaming nerf or anything. I promise this will work. Grab your socks here it comes.....


Go and take the ice away from the other miners!


Holycrap mindblowing I know, but trust me, it will work! You can perform the following list of actions to secure your piece of the ice pie: Ganking. Bumping. Wardeccing. Awoxing. Corp theft. Scamming..you get my drift. Attempt to play this *multiplayer* game we call EVE.

I promise, it's really not hard. 8 hours to roll up a suicide gank catalyst. takes 2-3 to take down an all-gank-no-tank barge. There may even be a website dedicated to doing it, along with many people more than willing to share their know-how on proper techniques.

You might even form a group with others who are seeking the same ends...we'll call it a "corporation". This "corporation" could work with other "corporations" to organize optimal time zone coverages and logistics. We'll call it an "alliance". Maybe a few of the "alliances" could get together and work to a common goal...lets call it a "coalition". Now, if this "coalition" is able to corner the highsec ice market, we could call it a "cartel". I think it's been done before in EVE!

Seriously, miners, you've just been handed an opportunity on par with the Tech bottleneck. You know where the anoms will spawn, when they will spawn, and it's a depleting resource an organized group can hold. You might have to fight to pull it off, that's normal EVE gameplay.


Go for it.

Show us one time they've said they're adjusting income to move more people out of hisec.

It doesn't say a single thing thing about wanting to move people out of hisec. Find an actual quote where they actually said what you claimed they said, and actually quote it so we don't have to read through every link you throw up for non-existent quotes.

kk, thanks. let us know when you find that one single quote. should be pretty easy considering that, according to you, they've been repeating it for years

Not that I agree one way or the other. But sometimes you don't need words, Actions can speak louder.

And paranoid-delusional interpretations of otherwise benign actions can speak even louder than that, so let's stick with words for now.

ok i have a quistion

on this 80% of ice from high for eve does that count wh space as well im thinking the post said 80 of k space if thats the case that leaves a lot of wh corps high and dry and as a small corp i will have to pull up my pos and go to high and i dont like high sec also i live in a c1 high sec static the changes to mineing graves will force me to look else where when there is nothing else to do in the c1 did you guys think this all they way thure i look forward to the ansers ccp fozzi has to the quistions i have read all tho i give up at about page 19

And paranoid-delusional interpretations of otherwise benign actions can speak even louder than that, so let's stick with words for now.

kk, thanks. let us know when you find that one single quote. should be pretty easy considering that, according to you, they've been repeating it for years

Personally I would like to thank the shadow Goonswarm devs for this expansion, because not only will it kill the game people love so much, it also causes a whole bunch of whine threads on the forums.

We're quite happy in general with the increased risk associated with the increased reward. Ore sites in lowsec, 0.0 and wormholes (especially lowsec) are getting a whole lot more valuable.

Tell that to the hundreds who attacked the monuments in Amarr and Jita during Monoclegate. While I am sure some of them were of the paranoid-delusional type. A lot were not. Don't discount an arguments basis just because it is couched in words you don't like or are phrased wrong.

After reading through most of this thread, it would appear that the proposed changes to mining are causing some friction.

Whilst I can fully understand the desire to make life difficult for bot miners, the proposed changes also make things more difficult for 'kosher' ice miners. To my mind, the bot miners got a huge boost by adding large ore holds to mining barges/exhumers.

If the intention of the proposed changes is to curtail bot mining, wouldn't it just be simpler to reduce the capacity of ore holds than making sweeping changes that affect the 'genuine' miners as well as the botters?

Also, I seem to remember reading that the new expansion was intended to make POS ownership a more pleasant experience. How can placing limitations on the availability of resources needed to fuel these POS's be reconciled with the intended more pleasant experience?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding or not seeing the big picture but I think if the availability of ice is restricted too much (or even concentrated in the hands of too few people), the consequences could make POS ownership/maintenance a more difficult prospect.

Thank you very much for your analysis Jita Bloodtear, I'm gonna spend some time considering you perspective and will continue watching this thread.

I'm on vacation today so I'll keep my post short, but I do want to make clear that no aspects of these changes are designed to combat botting. I leave that work to our excellent Team Security and I focus on game systems balance.

From another thread:



So, no. These changes have nothing to do with botting.

Thank you for the clarification. Is there any particular reasoning for the changes to mining then or is it just changing things for the sake of it? Sorry if this is a dumb question.. I'm just trying to understand the reasoning behind the changes... if not to make life harder for the bots, then why?

Your really aren't an industrialist are you? While some like to destroy, others like to create.

yea you probly dont sence you have local how about they take local from null thats a good idea

i think ever wh corp and members should put up a post to take local from null

To make ice mining somewhat competitive and engaging but valuable, instead of leaving it as something utterly uncompetitive and nearly worthless to do that only requires a few mouse clicks and button presses every twenty minutes.

Ice mining will now have competition. You can cry about never getting your chunk of the frozen gold...or you can go take it away from the other people trying to get it. Welcome to EVE. Be Bold, Pilot.

Unfortunately the long standing problem with raising null sec population and industry nullified most the need for this original purpose. But Odyssey should finally swing the big hammer that forces everyone but noobs out of hi sec. In a few more release we might see the long hinted turn of events where sovereign null sec player alliances are allowed to begin conquering Empire low sec star systems and eating away at the bloated Empire space. Player corps and alliances will eventually replace all but a few size and SP locked noob systems.