So giving scanning a "local chat" of its own is not dumbing it down? Why should you get all the information for free as soon as you enter a system?
DSPs are not easy mode, takes a siginificant time investment, special ships and equipment to use them.

Imagine a 60 AU system, now imagine all the planets are on one half of the system if there was a line going through the center. If you make a safe on the other half of the system with no celestials with bugs that still exists i.e. carriers with fighters. Then you can make yourself a safe where nobody thinks to look.

Many people do this in nullsec to rat, you just assign fighters from a cloaky carrier to a tengu.

As you say yourself, infinite means boundless. Clearly the scanner is bounded by the solar system you are in. Hence not infinite.

The only reason to actually remove dsp's is for pve reasons to make it a more level playing field for new accounts. They are pushing exploration and if new players get into exploration that means more people out roaming and having fun, thus more accounts. That is the reason why i am fine with their pve use being removed. Still no valid reason to remove their pvp use though, hence why they haven't responded to comments about the dsp's combat use.

Well I came to this thread prepared to be angry and found CCP are already addressing most issues already. I may even have to try the new scanning changes and provide constructive feedback As others have discussed the DSP removal could certainly be a massive pain in the backside for finding deep safes. There are plenty of wormhole corps with very deep safes in their home system that they use to set traps. There is one C6 corp we regularly came across who would sit their fleets at a deep around 50-60AU away from any orbital bodies.

Umm..... New accounts, more level playing field, come on get a grip, people play EvE because its EvE, its a sandbox, its hard to break into, that is one of its unique selling points (which CCP tends to forget in its quest for ISK) .

However if we follow that line of reasoning," the level playing field", ywe are left with a platform game like PacMan when all the shiny is stripped away, a sandbox needs graduation and what yCCP have become confused over is the learning curve, which at one time in the early days was a cliff, Trinity flattened it out and now rookies are literally hand held compared to the early days (and there are many 10 year old vets out there who will tell you this). An extension to this line of reasoning comes to the oblivious why not allow new accoexunts access to lvl 4 missions and L weapons and BS-¦s?. All this getting out roaming and having fun is also bollocks to the highest degree, noobs are mostly high sec dwellers, they live in set areas that are already overpopulated with explorers, not finding stuff on entering a system , then the same the next 10 will actually drive people away and make them think they were sold a bill of goods and nothing substantial, also known as smoke and mirrors.

No CCP did away with them because they did not think about all the unintended uses and what ones the did they thought combats would be good enough, for the PvP aspect, the overlay scanner placing great spamming hits splattered across the screen to them was so much eye candy they had to have it regardless of it breaking exploration in the truer sense, if it need a probe to find it, use a probe, but that is too much work for some. Yeah i agree DSP-¦s are useful, they do give more than the overlay in PvE due to a hard list of base strengths because CCP has hard coded sig base strengths and they cant figure out the 5 lines of code to make it dynamic with in a set range, thats why they are going and sod all of us who have elite navigation certificates who do see it as a profession with more merit than mission running lvl 4-¦s on pimped out "i win button boats" .

Hello.

CCP, you do know there is player-made table of relevance between base site's signal strength and the type of this site?

Will this 'cheat' be shuffled somehow? As it stands, you may in one glance detect what signatures you're willing to probe down (with use of external resourse). It's somehow... immersion breaking.

Slightly more randomness in probing please? Let it be so 10/10 may be more or less difficult, so table will contain overlapping ranges instead of exact number.

If you are speaking of http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/highsec.html, you CAN still use core probes to use that site; however, they arent as effective as DSPs haha

It bothers me that people can use these to quickly dismiss signatures without even needing to bother attempting to scan down to ID the grouping of the site. If they did that then, it starts to feel more like exploring. It's pointless really to pop out a probe and know whats in the system...what is there to explore? That takes all the unknown out of it.

CCP has hard coded sig base strengths and they cant figure out the 5 lines of code to make it dynamic with in a set range, thats why they are going and sod all of us who have elite navigation certificates who do see it as a profession with more merit than mission running lvl 4-¦s on pimped out "i win button boats" .

Still no word about the actual scanning time with combat probes??

C'mon CCP, seriously?

You are about to release a completely redesigned line of battleships, and you haven't fixed the main reason for one of the races bonuses being of no use.

Wake up!

Now, this is odd. I submitted three bug reports related to scanning. For each one of them I got as a response "we were not aware of the problem. a new defect has been created". Somehow I would have expected that, with the amount of people that (judging from the amount of feedback in this thread) are clearly testing the system extensively, at least some of them had already been found. Apparently not...


For devs who are interested in those bug reports you can find the references in these posts:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3010359#post3010359

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3012193#post3012193

The fact that those posts contain also my feedback related to the stuff tested to find the bugs is purely incidental.

We are aware of the problem, the system isn't telling you that I was attaching these to existing reports :) There are quite a few submitting reports (hopefully they are getting emailed that I'm actioning their reports )

Also, your reports were nicely written. Thanks! It makes a nice change

If the system scanner IS running can we PLEASE have a constant D-Scan. It doesn't make any sence that my ships sensors are looking for sites on the edge of space and yet if I want to see if someone is creeping up behind me I have to manually click a button every 10 seconds or so.