The feature itself takes the mechanics similar to those found in exploration based dungeon crawlers, roguelikes, etc

Roguelikes, really? It features permadeath and ASCII art? I can only dream.

Will we be able to buy the Amulet of Yendor on the market, or will they all be fakes?

Hacker's being valuable, you say....

Could this lead to hacking of offlined POS's?

So success or failure it jets the cargo into space, that is lame.

So success or failure it jets the cargo into space, that is lame.

So success or failure it jets the cargo into space, that is lame.

Hacker's being valuable, you say....

Could this lead to hacking of offlined POS's?

Investigating on sisi as I type. I'm glad you're giving Exploration some major loving. June is certainly going to be interesting, especially for us wormhole dwellers!

I'm already wondering just what 'Virus Utility Element Slots' might be....

Interesting

I have not been on SiSi to test this yet. But I do have a few qyuestions.

Will sites still despawn if you try to hack a can, but need to warp away for some reason?

Will the overall time to complete a hacking site stay similiar to what it is currently? Meaning, the time to open the cans will take about the same time it took to kill the rats that were "guarding" the old cans?

As of right now, hacking sites are pretty safe becuase they only take me 5 to 10 minutes to run...and it doesnt give much time for somebody to come into system, see me on dscan and probe me down.

Hacking sites have always been pretty constant with their loot tables. They do not drop anything rare - which means that they never have items that are worth a significant ammount.

That's just a temporary measure. Only success will jet all the cargo into space in the final version.

That's just a temporary measure. Only success will jet all the cargo into space in the final version.

That's just a temporary measure. Only success will jet all the cargo into space in the final version.

There is permadeath although the hacking attempts are short anyway so it's not quite as hurtful as spending ages exploring only to do something very silly and die. :)

Sadly no ASCII art. :(

It looks fantastic and is very welcome change to the waiting game!

I also like the ideas of market linking and being able to collect utilities to be used on other sites.

I guess this is a window layer similar to the star map (ie all other windows are still visible and interactable)?

It looks fantastic and is very welcome change to the waiting game!

I also like the ideas of market linking and being able to collect utilities to be used on other sites.

I guess this is a window layer similar to the star map (ie all other windows are still visible and interactable)?

Also while Im thinking about it - how will the exploration T1 frigs work now?

How will the bonuses make things any better?

Also while Im thinking about it - how will the exploration T1 frigs work now?

How will the bonuses make things any better?

Also I've read a bit of a mixture of if there will be rats or not. Currently exploration is one of those grey areas where people struggle to find a decent ship for the job - the T1 / T2 frig is essentially a piece of paper with a scanner attached to it with no hope of any rats, so seems a little pointless to have a ship to do the scanning part, hacking part and then if rats come along its "run away!" like your in the holy grail.

Either have rats or don't - but know that if you have rats you may as well write off the T1 scanning frig as it'll become redundant to other ships who can do its job better (ie, tank & kill rats in exploration sites)

The other options are fit out another ship for the job (which kinda defeats the point of having the scanner ship in the first place if its only useful in a gang), scan the site, BM, switch ships and come back (which kinda sucks) or bring a T3 ship which has the scanning bonus and the gank / tank for the rats.

BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT COMPUTERS, WHEN HACKED, SUDDENLY EXPLODE YOUR ROOM INTO CANS.



Other than that stupid part, cool beans.

Uhmmmm so i am noticing one thing no one has asked,

What are the skills hacking, cybernetics and all the science skills we have spent months training on will do for us in the new feature. I hope you devs wont forget the application of the skills we have trained at. I dont see any dicussion of current skills being used to help in hacking the nodes. So Does CCP forget about those skills or has the dev team not really thought about this avenue on the mini-game. Its easy to forget something when your mind is focus on making other attributes awesome. I just say dont forget about the current hacking attributes. Dont add a slew of modules and skills yet forget about the basic skills all of pilots had to learn before hand.

If there is a discussion or talk about the current skills please do let me know.

All existing modules and skills have been mapped over to this new system so those who have already trained them will have similar advantages that they currently enjoy.

Remove the time limit and make the harder sites have hacking games that would take 10-15 minutes to finish! (after adding some more depth)

Your modules have some stats that are important in hacking. Ships and skills give bonuses to these stats.

That's how computers will work in the future man.

That's the million dollar question, this has been constructed in a very modular manner so it's reasonable to let people hack almost anything that makes sense.

Alright, question: If you start hacking and then activate your cloak, what will happen?

Alright, question: If you start hacking and then activate your cloak, what will happen?

When can we see this on SISI ?

Alright, question: If you start hacking and then activate your cloak, what will happen?

Last I heard it is currently on SiSi, just not on most sites.

Last I heard it is currently on SiSi, just not on most sites.

With no rats, there will be very little risk factor, as most people will have no problem flying around in a t1 fit heron running sites. I hope they provide a risk vs. reward to entice shiny ships into low sec exploration. Let the herons comb through hi-sec all day...

When can we see this on SISI ?

Crafty dev blog is crafty, you missed out the bit where the new T2 scanning modules (increased scan strength, reduced time and decreased deviation) all require components found in these sites.

You said you wanted to tie them closer to the market well you just did that and opened up a very interesting active income source. Unfortunately for myself it means I will not be able to throw 10bil at the new modules and triple my money release day this time around but still its cool progress. Good work putting more of the power back in the hands of the little guys in industry who will do their own hacking and build from only what they can find. Excellent implementation of new T2 modules!

Herons already comb high sec for 'profession' sites. With a lack of rats And at fanfest the devs/designers etc alluded to 'ladar type' damage or rat spawns (or both?) at either certain junctions or failures to navigate past a junction.

So, from out point of view, this is all very much 'up in the air' and I'm actually excited by such a large amount of brand new gameplay that's being injected into the game.

I'm predicting some long nights before the 8th in Reykjavik Harbour though

All the credit for this goes to my lovely co-workers in the other teams.

Will we be hearing from this lovely co-workers in a yet to come dev blog?

I can see many data and relic sites in low sec never being ran because of being shot at ad destroyed while you are waiting to hack the site and the greatly sped up scanning system.
Will the number of sites be increased over all or the amount of loot per site increased due to the inevitable loss of loot from ejecting?

Is it possible to spam d-scan and keep an eye on local while playing the minigame?

Hacker's being valuable, you say....

Could this lead to hacking of offlined POS's?

So it's the Deus Ex: HR hacking minigame?

It's reasonably different and shares a lot more elements with RPG games. Inspirations were a diverse as the videogame Rogue and the card game Munchkin.

Yeah, that would be nice. Quite a few 'dead sticks' out there.

The gameplay remains the same between both Hacking and Archaeology with the latter being appropriately themed as an older computer system both visually and aurally

That's how computers will work in the future man.

I'm intrigued at how CCP comes up with what features need more interaction, and what needs less. Salvaging gets more passive with the addition of salvaging drones, while hacking and archaeology get more interactive with this new mechanic. Mining is as yet, untouched for 10 years now.

I particularly liked the idea of telling people what fat loot they didn't manage to scoop, just to twist the knife.

To make it feel more immersive and hackish can we have an optionally used command line added to the minigame ui? It could have basic commands to play the game in addition to the point and click:

ls - list adjacent nodes and the contents of the current node
cd node - move to an adjacent node
rm core - destroy a core
./utility - use a utility
tar datacache - decrypt a datacache

etc.

I'm not understanding this, or what I'm supposed to do with this. Where am I starting? Where am I ending? Do I just click randomly on it? Is it a 'how many clicks to the center of the ship' sort of thing? Or is it a click-drag sort of thing where you attempt to link as many nodes as possible in one click?

Even better, make whole eve playable from a console! This is the future, nobody clicks on things in the future.

I'm curious to hear CCPs opinion of mining which is pretty much a "sit and wait" activity, at least in high sec, where you settle down and flick on the miners and tab out or sink into a good book or whatever while you wait for the asteroid to deplete or cargo bay fill up.

We were actually prototyping a lot of new ideas for mining. Hence the team name Prototyping Rocks both because errr, we like prototyping and were looking a mining when the team formed. ;)

At Fanfest this year I gave a hungover presentation about our prototyping and demoed a bunch of Mining prototypes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qmUIDlMmQE

I'm intrigued at how CCP comes up with what features need more interaction, and what needs less. Salvaging gets more passive with the addition of salvaging drones, while hacking and archaeology get more interactive with this new mechanic. Mining is as yet, untouched for 10 years now.

Should throw this into dust hacking. Hold still a few more seconds little tin man while I lock on.

Again, are COSMOS and wormhole sites hacking mechanics being changed too?

So there will be helpfull sound cues? I like it but as I notice sound often just quits in EVE & I play with a few deaf pilots so I hope the aural element isn't 100% indepenant.

ALSO: EVE HAS SOUND

As it is right now, there is a chance that a hacking/archeology can will be completely empty. Is there going to be any change to this, or is there always going to be a loot barf?

Also, I'm assuming you are going to change the "Loot Jettison Imminent" to "Cargo Jettison Imminent". (immersion/EVE is real/etc.)

We were actually prototyping a lot of new ideas for mining. Hence the team name Prototyping Rocks both because errr, we like prototyping and were looking a mining when the team formed. ;)

At Fanfest this year I gave a hungover presentation about our prototyping and demoed a bunch of Mining prototypes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qmUIDlMmQE

Alright, question: If you start hacking and then activate your cloak, what will happen?

If I play the hacking minigame and fail, then start again on the same site: will it be the same game, with the same node layout, the same firewalls, and so on? If someone else comes into my site and hacks the same site: will they see the same game, with the same node layout, the same firewalls, and so on?

Please please let us hack abandoned POSes, POS modules, and anchored cans. (It's annoying to remove a dead POS from a WH system, and even worse removing one from HS.) I'm sure the Null Sec guys would like to be able to hack abandoned Sov structures, POSes and the like. FW could use some hackable site or modules as a break from orbiting things. Lastly it would be great to be able to hack player owned custom offices in LS, NS, and WH as it is it's very painful and boring for small groups to siege them. With things like active Sov structures, and Customs Offices there really should a timer, and multiple hack attempts involved. I can see massive battles shaping up around the structure, everyone reping the poor SOB in the hacking BS/Capital Ship, hero tanking bumpers....

Please remove the loot bukkake.

Maybe make it so that if I fail the minigame, the cans explode into space and I still have a chance of getting some loot if I fly around and collect it before it disappears. But if I succeed at the minigame, I get to access all the loot without having to chase it down.

You are hacking into a control system - i.e. not using normal access channels. The only way you get control of the loot is to trick the system into ejecting the goods. If you fail the hack, nothing happens.

its not like you're guessing a luggage password, limited to 3 numerals, and if you can't guess the number you just hit the luggage with a hammer.

In the fanfest presentation the idea of purposely failing in order to get an NPC spawn was brought up. You said you would like to discourage that. I suggest:

Every failure there is a chance the side will self destruct. Its a small chance the first time, but big enough to discourage failing on purpose. Each failure after the first time increases the chance of the site self destructing. Sufficient failures and the site will always explode.

I would have liked to have seen an actual 'hacking' minigame. IE: You need to get scripts (from the marketplace, or write it yourself in EvECode or something), which you run against the hackable object in a command line environment. Does anyone remember the terrible Matrix game, where you could hack cheats for yourself with the ingame console?

Like that.

Only with spaceships.

It could also be applied to NPC's (hack yourself a rogue drone army), remote control customs agents, disable the shields on an enemy ship while screaming the name of the enemy Pilot...
Hack into an alliance wallet.
Bypass the f***ing station door.

How randomized are these little puzzles or are they random at all? It would be a shame if hacking devolved into little more than going to joeblow-evehacking.com and following some instructions.

Nothing in Eve rewards based on skill and intelligence that isn't emergent. That's why exploration has sucked for so long. There is no way to do exploration better because it isn't player driven. There is no way to optimize.

The minigame is just another such closed system. Game design FAIL.

Minigames don't reflect the character and capability of people who actually are interested in space exploration. Remember, people who do exploration also do DED sites and follow escalations into unknown and dangerous places.

They aren't your usual highsec pubbies who don't fit a tank or prop mod. They aren't people who think having 10 mining alts is WINNING.

Dumbing down what should be the most interesting and emergent part of the game down is sad but not totally unexpected from people who think the problem is the spreadsheets (tax returns SNARF) not the nature of the element itself.

I get it, you need these crappy games to validate moving to some mobile content. But my god, it's horrible. HORRIBLE.

Nothing in Eve rewards based on skill and intelligence that isn't emergent. That's why exploration has sucked for so long. There is no way to do exploration better because it isn't player driven. There is no way to optimize.

The minigame is just another such closed system. Game design FAIL.

Minigames don't reflect the character and capability of people who actually are interested in space exploration. Remember, people who do exploration also do DED sites and follow escalations into unknown and dangerous places.

They aren't your usual highsec pubbies who don't fit a tank or prop mod. They aren't people who think having 10 mining alts is WINNING.

Dumbing down what should be the most interesting and emergent part of the game down is sad but not totally unexpected from people who think the problem is the spreadsheets (tax returns SNARF) not the nature of the element itself.

I get it, you need these crappy games to validate moving to some mobile content. But my god, it's horrible. HORRIBLE.

Nothing in Eve rewards based on skill and intelligence that isn't emergent. That's why exploration has sucked for so long. There is no way to do exploration better because it isn't player driven. There is no way to optimize.

The minigame is just another such closed system. Game design FAIL.

Minigames don't reflect the character and capability of people who actually are interested in space exploration. Remember, people who do exploration also do DED sites and follow escalations into unknown and dangerous places.

They aren't your usual highsec pubbies who don't fit a tank or prop mod. They aren't people who think having 10 mining alts is WINNING.

Dumbing down what should be the most interesting and emergent part of the game down is sad but not totally unexpected from people who think the problem is the spreadsheets (tax returns SNARF) not the nature of the element itself.

I get it, you need these crappy games to validate moving to some mobile content. But my god, it's horrible. HORRIBLE.

Everything is procedurally generated so each hacking attempt is different.

This would be lovely and similar to Notch's 0x10c but a little beyond the scope of things that would have been feasible to implement. If you've ever seen the competitions where you run competiting programs against one another in a virtual machine something like that would be interesting.

require more than one person to get full benefit from.

Like the movie "Hackers" taught us, hackers are really cool people who live fun and interesting lives. Mindful of this fact, our developers have decided to make some big changes to hacking in EVE Online so we can all have fun being cool hackers!

CCP Bayesian has written a dev blog about the hacking changes coming in EVE Online: Odyssey. Check it out and please give us your feedback!

I think this may be the single biggest downer to exploration out there. I don't need to pay attention to some damned minigame. I've already got enough going on. Do the people who designed this trash actually play Eve?

The mechanics we're putting in allow for more emergence than currently exists. I don't see how we are dumbing down the game by making perhaps the dumbest mechanic in EVE more complex with a mechanic that rewards player skill along with complementary mechanics that require more than one person to get full benefit from. We're also somewhat bound by the legacy of the system in that these sites are created content. Improving that requires much more work. Bottom line is that we are working towards getting more people interacting in space to drive emergent things happening.

Opening up Utilities to the market and later player creation will help as well. Plus the feature itself can be used elsewhere where it can be used by players to achieve their emergent goals.

But you are forgetting that it has to be FUN and replayable. Emergent content in Eve is fun when it means competing against another human being who is trying to destroy your shiny stuff. Playing a random hacking game against the computer is not fun, particularly the 678879th time you do it. Especially when, if you successfully complete the site, you have to share the rewards with a small gang in order to get anything at all. Which means that the site has to be lucrative enough to be worth a small gang's time.

But you are forgetting that it has to be FUN and replayable. Emergent content in Eve is fun when it means competing against another human being who is trying to destroy your shiny stuff. Playing a random hacking game against the computer is not fun, particularly the 678879th time you do it. Especially when, if you successfully complete the site, you have to share the rewards with a small gang in order to get anything at all. Which means that the site has to be lucrative enough to be worth a small gang's time.

Thing what you will, this new system is indisputably more engaging and fun than the old system.

Hacking POCO's ? Not so much, as they are 1) always powered 2) lack active defense. I've cleared POCO's solo, it doesn't take too long considering the value of the asset. Heck, at least they don't go into siege mode.

If you want the ability to hack my POCO for its contents, I want the ability to anchor guns near it.

The mechanics we're putting in allow for more emergence than currently exists. I don't see how we are dumbing down the game by making perhaps the dumbest mechanic in EVE more complex with a mechanic that rewards player skill along with complementary mechanics that require more than one person to get full benefit from. We're also somewhat bound by the legacy of the system in that these sites are created content. Improving that requires much more work. Bottom line is that we are working towards getting more people interacting in space to drive emergent things happening.

Opening up Utilities to the market and later player creation will help as well. Plus the feature itself can be used elsewhere where it can be used by players to achieve their emergent goals.

Especially when, if you successfully complete the site, you have to share the rewards with a small gang in order to get anything at all. Which means that the site has to be lucrative enough to be worth a small gang's time.

Here in lyes the biggest issue, just because one is not flying in a fleet does not mean there is not mean they are not interacting with other players.
With the new system player skill and a bit of luck will play a big role, do not dampen that by arbitrarily making it require a small gang. As an explorer you already have to deal with other explorers, pirates, roaming gangs, and then once you get loot you must be able to sell it on the market against all those who you have had to compete with just to get your loot.

I also foresee a new complaint coming to F&I about a cloaky ship waiting at Data and Relic sites in high sec and de cloaking once the loot is jettisoned then stealing it.

But you are forgetting that it has to be FUN and replayable. Emergent content in Eve is fun when it means competing against another human being who is trying to destroy your shiny stuff. Playing a random hacking game against the computer is not fun, particularly the 678879th time you do it. Especially when, if you successfully complete the site, you have to share the rewards with a small gang in order to get anything at all. Which means that the site has to be lucrative enough to be worth a small gang's time.

Congrats, CCP. You have completely destroyed hacking/archaeology.

The modules are not even required. Just right-click and select open cargo. Get bacon. One person on the test server hadn't even realized there was a new mini-game because it was not required to open the containers.

Honeypots are totally broken. They will indefinitely buff the defenses without limit, making the game totally and completely impossible to win. They are supposed to be repair modules, not infinite defense buffs. Only allow them to repair up to the original amount of the defense's HP. As they are now, you absolutely must pop them, which makes them into virus power sinks.

The grpahics were so badly bugged as to make the game almost unplayable. Lines and nodes didn't line up. Clicking would sometimes require dozens of attmepts for anything to change. When a defense of some kind would suddenly spawn, I would fall right into it because, OMG CLICKING!

When I was able to get to the core, I found it odd that by spam-clicking, the outer circle of the core would gradually shrink and disappear. Does this signify something? Was somethign supposed to happen? Also, as I got to within one shot of popping the core, the entire game would simply stop responding and nothing more would happen. I could still click on stuff. But nothing would ever change or give me any indication of success or failure. Message? What up? Did I just get back-hacked or something? idgi.

Right, now on to the good stuff. The tools look and work well. I would like to see an offense buff in addition to the HP repair, temp invulnerable shield, and attack tool. This would make a nice balance to the available tools.

I want to conclude by saying that I appreciate CCP's efforts on this. But this new game needs a lot more work. It needs to at least be capable of rewarding success properly, and not be completely optional and broken as it is now. Tie the elements together so that they are working as you want us to experience them. Right now, it doesn't work at all. I can't imagine releasing it as it is now. The forums rage would, however, be spectacular.

Things developers can do with this:

• Give analyzer and codebreaker scripts that give bonus and drawback to allow players to develop their style of solving these puzzles.

I'm intrigued at how CCP comes up with what features need more interaction, and what needs less. Salvaging gets more passive with the addition of salvaging drones, while hacking and archaeology get more interactive with this new mechanic. Mining is as yet, untouched for 10 years now.

Can you provide us static data sites on Sisi (and *only* there of course) so we can test this more easily? With the dearth of signatures on Sisi I don't really feel like sweeping 20 systems every time to find one site to test.

Or just provide the new content to w-space sites too, data and relic sites are easy enough to find there... if you happen to have a scanner inside of w-space that is, getting in from k-space is near impossible on Sisi

Speaking of w-space... can you go into detail exactly in what way the new system will be applied to w-space sites? Removal of all sleepers? Sleepers remain and we get the new hacking? (This would give us the fun of the minigame but also increase overall time needed to complete a site I think). Changed, toned-down sleeper spawns? Or no changes at all?

Rek Seven, this is for both. As per the devblog they will be distinguished both graphically and aurally from one another.

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So why do i mention this as being a problem ? well i got RSI (repetitive strain injury) from it, took me 6 months to no longer hurt and get me back in the game. using the new hacking mini-game brought back the pain after like 5-6 boxes i tried to hack - which is impossible in the current build, but i just wanted to see how the experience could be....

Rek Seven, it's not a lack of inspiration but a lack of resources. I do ultimately agree that it would be nice to have different and thematically appropriate ways of 'doing' archaeology.

Nice devblog +1 for more immersion. Regarding gameplay, set the timer on the cargo in space to regular jetcan timer(1-2h). You can still scatter them if you like so that having more players is an option but atleast this won't infuriate every would be explorer out there when their loot vanishes.

There is nothing stopping people running these things solo still, we want to encourage, not force some cooperation.

If you like suspect flags stealing people's scattered containers sounds like a good way to get one. ;)

There is nothing stopping people running these things solo still, we want to encourage, not force some cooperation.

If you like suspect flags stealing people's scattered containers sounds like a good way to get one. ;)

Here's an idea how to avoid loot pi+¦ata and twitch clicking while promoting cooperation for hacking and archaeology for maximum profits:

• Adjust the hacking game that a single player can only get a fraction of the loot with the hacking resources available from one ship.
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• This may make hacking very easy with a lot of people doing a concerted hack effort as the virus resources pile up, but the maximum loot is limited, so the profits per player peaks at a pre-planned, balanced point.

Kip Troger, thanks, I think it's important to come and chat to you guys, after all you are taking the time to give us feedback. :)

TBH I think even with your idea which is somewhat technically infeasible at the moment we'd still have the same complaint. People are used to getting all the goodies on success and the idea that you can succeed and not get everything or perhaps even miss out on something really good is just not what people expect. Essentially making things more fuzzy gets people worried. We are re-balancing the loot that comes out.

We are playing around with how long things stick around and how far off they go as well.

Kip Troger, thanks, I think it's important to come and chat to you guys, after all you are taking the time to give us feedback. :)

TBH I think even with your idea which is somewhat technically infeasible at the moment we'd still have the same complaint. People are used to getting all the goodies on success and the idea that you can succeed and not get everything or perhaps even miss out on something really good is just not what people expect. Essentially making things more fuzzy gets people worried. We are re-balancing the loot that comes out.

We are playing around with how long things stick around and how far off they go as well.

Kip Troger, thanks, I think it's important to come and chat to you guys, after all you are taking the time to give us feedback. :)

TBH I think even with your idea which is somewhat technically infeasible at the moment we'd still have the same complaint. People are used to getting all the goodies on success and the idea that you can succeed and not get everything or perhaps even miss out on something really good is just not what people expect. Essentially making things more fuzzy gets people worried. We are re-balancing the loot that comes out.

We are playing around with how long things stick around and how far off they go as well.

How will this mechanic affect the COSMOS sites like in Algintal? Can you get permalocked out of the Force Repeller Relic in Deltole for example or any of the cans in the other COSMOS systems?

TBH I think even with your idea which is somewhat technically infeasible at the moment we'd still have the same complaint. People are used to getting all the goodies on success and the idea that you can succeed and not get everything or perhaps even miss out on something really good is just not what people expect. Essentially making things more fuzzy gets people worried. We are re-balancing the loot that comes out.

Please when you can, confirm if Wormhole sites are changing or we only get the minigame instead of the use of hacking (archeology) tool without further changes. Sleepers are there on the begining and once open we get the same crap as always.

tBringing a friend along to help scoop up cargo in the new version still leaves him in the cold with no extra gameplay. He's not involved in the hacking, he's just there to help pickup the loot. Not exactly engaging exploration gameplay there, that's just bringing a porter along.

Quick question:

What skills are going to be involved in the new hacking system? I've never really done hacking before and am curious if I'll only need the Hacking skill or what other skills will be applicable to this profession.

Edit:

Also, how common will these sites be in high/low/null sec and w-space?

I think there is definitely room to make the hacking more involved and interesting but it's something that'll need to evolve as we see how it's used and where else it might be applicable.

[EDIT: EvilweaselSA, I'm not convinced that that's a bad thing. "The one that got away" is the basis of any number of stories; it would keep players hungry, and make a minigame out of identifying the container types and pulling them in as quickly as possible, instead of "push button, receive bacon." I'm fond of the idea that EVE is more complex than those games that are carefully engineered to give you reward sensations as often as possible.]

I urge you to consider your direction here and how far you're taking it. Simply hoping that it will drive more people to work together in exploration sites to overcome arbitrary game mechanics is optimistic. Put people in the exact situation and see how they react to it, and make sure it's not the people who designed the feature as it stands - they're predisposed to think its cool already. Is it really going to be fun for multiple people when only one is doing the hacking?

It's about what you interpret as a loss vs a gain. Once the you "win" the minigame, you interpret all that loot as yours. It's set up in a way so that this last part doesn't feel like it's about seeing how much loot you get: it's about how much you can avoid losing. People won't like that.

Once again, what about Ladars?

Come on CCP, this has been asked in every thread since the changes where announced and as far as I know never been answered.

There are currently Ladar sites that are combat/hacking sites. With the moving of Ladars to just coming up on the new scanner without probes, are these sites going to stay probable, or will they just show up? Are they going to be removed? Will the rats stay or be removed and the mini-game added? Did ya'll know they existed, or just found out and are scrambling for a solution? Come on, give us something.

Hacking and Archaeology containers in Wormholes will use the new hacking and scatter mechanics. Other than that the only changes are that the salvage containers (Talocan Wrecks) will be accessed with Archaeology (Relic Analyzer) rather than Salvaging.
The same is true for any other hacking/archaeology containers in EVE such as those found in COSMOS sites and missions.

The exception to this is containers that always drop one specific loot type (such as acceleration gate keys and mission items). Those containers will be unchanged for now and will open as they did before.

Yep I have to agree with this sentiment as well.

I can see this loot explosion being fun at first but irritating later on because its not much fun to chase after the loot that you've spent all this time to get in the first place!

Compare this to the new belt ratting 'tags4sec' business, the mechanics consist of:

1) Warp to belt [No fun]
2) Find rat that drops tag [No fun]
3) If no rat, return to 1 [No fun - repetitive]
3) Kill rat [Fun]
4) Get tag [Result]

Now lets look at running an exploration site

1) Warp to system [No fun]
2) Deploy probes [No fun]
3) Scan down x number of sites [No fun - repetitive]
4) Hack Site [Mini-game, fun-ish, repetitive]
5) Run after loot [ARGH!]

I'm sorry but I dislike the idea of having to go through all those steps, take all that time to get my reward only for it to quite literally RUN AWAY from me!?

Potentially if im not fast enough to react (or most likely be playing pinball against a structure) I could walk away with nothing.

Also bear in mind that we're now adding more elements to delay the player (ie, chasing down cans) and direct their attention away (ie, mini game) from checking local & Dscan and those elements will only further discourage players from going into lower sec space if they feel like they have to jump through more time delaying hoops and expose themselves for longer in more dangous space.

You are wrong.

Old version: engage module, wait for dice rolls, receive bacon (this is as dumb as it gets)
New version: engage module, solve puzzle, receive bacon or fail (this is much more engaging)