You missed an "off" switch, though I suppose a bind to something unused works as well.

Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?

Hi all,

I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu

I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
• Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
• Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).

We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes



Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it

Jump bridges. Would love for them to have a primary action (that action being "jump" obviously).
Titans. When the bridge is up, could the primary action maybe change to jump? Or you could just make jump the primary action for titans anyway.

No radial menu for watchlisted fleet members?

Is there any possibility we can get a radial menu when we hold left click in space (not selecting any object)? I'd like to see a button to bookmark your current location...

Thank you in advance.

It's on your own ship... in the secondary layer
You can also set default orbit, keep at range and warp distances from the Radial Menu on your own ship

It would be cool if hovering over the "warp to" button would give you another ring with "warp to at x km" distances



Or just warp change the standard warp-in to 10km for any acceleration gate site (e.g FW plexes) so no one gets stuck in the acceleration gate anyway.


EDIT: yeah and watchlists

I would also like this as well as "orbit at x km" same for approach, it would make things easier for ammo switching and dictating range in a fight.

I realise its also easy to simply right click the target and select the range in the drop down but it would be rather cool if I could just do it all with my left mouse button

It's on your own ship... in the secondary layer
You can also set default orbit, keep at range and warp distances from the Radial Menu on your own ship

I would also like this as well as "orbit at x km" same for approach, it would make things easier for ammo switching and dictating range in a fight.

I realise its also easy to simply right click the target and select the range in the drop down but it would be rather cool if I could just do it all with my left mouse button

That's 2 of the things we have been discussing in my team, so I would say likely (at least with the bridges).

hmmm... do you guys not know what happens if you drag the mouse past the "orbit", "warp to" and "keep at range" icons? it will allow you to set the distance there... which is what you are asking for if I'm understanding you correctly

I didn't know it was there until a friend told me as he was playing around on SISI. I don't think it's obvious. Maybe add a little "bar" somewhere to represent there's further options.

It isn't clear. But I like it a lot! (I think the actual interface can use some improvement, it's hard to reliably use and guage what your settings are in hectic moments, and I wouldn't rely on it for an actual combat setting while I'm fighting, but I would like to be able to do that.

I didn't know it was there until a friend told me as he was playing around on SISI. I don't think it's obvious. Maybe add a little "bar" somewhere to represent there's further options.

It isn't clear. But I like it a lot! (I think the actual interface can use some improvement, it's hard to reliably use and guage what your settings are in hectic moments, and I wouldn't rely on it for an actual combat setting while I'm fighting, but I would like to be able to do that.

Hi all,

it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?

CCP, add a tutorial abount the Radial Menu

Most importantly, I would like the radial menu to cancel if I move my mouse away from it once activated. At the moment even if you drag your mouse half way across the screen it still selects a button which is annoying.

That's 2 of the things we have been discussing in my team, so I would say likely (at least with the bridges).

Hi all,
Stuff stuff

What about Worm holes as well. No primary action appears to exist for that to "Enter Wormhole"

Ok, I've been playing around with the radial menu a bit more. I really like the adjustable orbit and keep at range features etc, but could you add a keep at current range or orbit option also, for instance if you drag the mouse to the furthest point.

I like having a radial menu as a feature because I like features, but as with any feature I would like a way to disable it. I have never wanted to use the radial menu because all of its options can be accessed in other ways, and it keeps popping up when I don't want it to.

If your Radial Menu is set on left mouse button, it can be rather tricky at times to move target lock images of ships around, as holding the button down wants to open the radial menu instead of dragging the ship.

EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion.

I agree with this, although I can live with it, it always feels a bit wrong when the pointer jumps to some other location where I don't expect it to end up. The next mouse move usually gets "out of sync" due to this.

People keep asking to have the menu disappear when the mouse is out of range... though I think doing so would possibly do more harm than good. The orbit/warp-to options allow you to drag out from the button to set a distance, which is very nice. Additionally, the whole point of a radial is having the ability to just toss your mouse in a general direction without having to worry about hitting a specific spot. This is great when quickly performing commands under pressure.

There does need to be a decent way to cancel out of the radial though. I can't check right now (only have access to EVE on my MacBook Pro for the next couple weeks) but right clicking really should be made to cancel the action (without further popping up a menu) if it doesn't already do so.

If your Radial Menu is set on left mouse button, it can be rather tricky at times to move target lock images of ships around, as holding the button down wants to open the radial menu instead of dragging the ship.

As much as I like it, I have yet to use it. Interacting with the OV is much easier than searching for objects in 360-¦ space to left click them. Two things you could do is improving the OV visually and completely migrating the actions window into the radial menu; give a separate, shorter delay for the radial menu on the OV and people might actually start using it in a serious manner.

1) It's too fast... in PvP or when simply going to drag away from a station when you undock, it pops-up too quickly, and causes you to misclick, having the ability set a pop-up delay would be amazing.

It's pretty nice after you get used to it.

Now the issue I have is expecting in everyplace, for example in the drone interface.

I was also hoping it would work with right click to avoid the "click and hold" but you end up fighting the old right click menus too much to make it worthwhile.

there is shortcut to make it appear instantly. I for example have a longer delay which works for me most of the time (like when just lazily jumping through gates or orbiting), but if I'm in a hurry I'll use the shortcut to bypass the delay.

Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.

What's the shortcut?

The new radial menus are nice and all, but I still prefer the right-click behemoth where available. Guess I'm just more of an old school PC user than most. Because of that, I will probably end up NOT using the radial menus unless forced to do so.

We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

One thing that I keep finding is that I'm unable to rotate my camera when undocking. The problem is that the station takes up my entire screen and thus any action involving left mouse opens the radial menu instead of turning the camera.

-Liang

In other news, CCP yet again responds to feedback with a big "effff you!" as per corp policy.

...
So set a higher delay.
It's really not as much of a problem as you seem to think it is.

I would love to see this on the cargo button also like the scanner button. Cargo,Drone bay, Fleet Hanger, Ore hanger... ya radial to select which one to open first would be a 'nice to have' kinda feature.

Would also like the ability to modify the secondary radial menu to add options I want from the right click menu there are free spaces to fill!

I would argue that it means the delay should be higher by default if someone with a default install cannot turn their camera when undocking.

-Liang

Ed: On the flip side, a long delay makes for a "sluggish" feeling UI. I don't know what the right balance is, except that it's kinda frustrating. Maybe the right answer is to align the camera with the direction the ship is facing when undocking?

You sure? I could have sworn I was using the radial menu for that the other day.

Radial menu does not activate on an opened and pinned Bookmarks sub-folder.

It would be extremely useful if this feature was added.

We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

need to add "switch off" option for radmenu

We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

It needs to be customizable, and not just rearranging buttons on it, for example i would like to have 3 warp to buttons each set to different warp in distances, on some ships i would also want a couple of orbit buttons with different distances etc. Also if these settings could carry over to the old Selected Item window that would be great since the delay you get from using Radial menu (second till it pops up, another half a second before you select something) could be problematic in some small/solo engagements.

Hi all,

I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu

I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
• Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
• Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).

We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes



Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it

Thank you all for your feedback!
Just FYI: we are doing a few minor changes on the radial menu very very soon, a lot based on your feedback :)

Many have mentioned that you want the radial menu everywhere, and it's nice to hear, because we do too! It's just going to take some time to get there :)

Option to turn it off.

Stop avoiding this issue.

Mouse should never warp because of option selection. It should Never warp because of deselection.

We are not going to allow you to turn it off, but you can effectively do it by setting a very long delay and bind it to another mouse button you would rarely be holding down for that long.

Planets should have a primary action of Warp To or the same functionality as the Warp To button, rather than an action that pulls up a modal dialogue right next to navigation buttons.

The mouse cursor behavior for radial menu has been changed and it will no longer snap to where you click when the menu closes but will rather keep its position

How about you use your time to go figure out why the server crashes or has to be reset daily?
Or maybe why you can't even keep the account management page (you know where you guys get paid from) up?

The radial menu was crap before, it's crap now, and isn't worth wasting time and resources on, fix the bugs first.

Do you understand the concept of teams and scope in people's work?

Sure, if you want UI devs to be looking at server issues and web backends go right ahead.

but I'm finding that I'm selecting "Info" a lot accidentally. I believe this is because if I decide not to use one of the radial menu items, particularly on something on my overview, then I am pulling my mouse off the radial menu to the left to try to avoid selecting anything. I'm wondering what the target area is for these buttons and if maybe it needs adjusting?

that is my only complaint, usually by the time I realize I accidentally opened the menu my mouse is halfway across the screen and it is stuck on one of the options. the rest of the time I like it!

ccp we all cry for a off button for this radila menu listen to the players the menu is double trouble for the majority.
adding new stuff to it yesteray good fine with me but '' THA OFF BUTTON PLEASE ''

Listen to the Player base or do i have to remind you of the event called INCARNA wich brought alot of protest
thbe menu is trouble i am i na fight iwant to turn my view crap menu pos up again and opens pilots bio or the station info of the current staion i mouse over while i wanted to do something mroe important get a view of my situation and fight.
now i have to close ****** windows.

they always apear in the wrong moments

so OFF BUTTON!!!

I thought you could turn it off on the options menu?

Hi all,

I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu

I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
• Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
• Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).

We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes

Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it

I have been using the Radial Menu (RM) quite extensively, as I find it a little more intuitive than some of the key bindings, and though I am the sort to rely heavily on shortcuts and macros in other games, I have not done so here except for the standard Neocom menu items and targeting functions.

That said, there are some improvements I would like to suggest for the RM which I think could improve the RM's human response:

i. Function Escalations: At present, the radial menu pulls different values and function calls depending on the sprite targeted when the menu is triggered. However, the ability to change the default values and metrics for those function calls still heavily depends on right-click context menus (such as changing the orbit distance of a drone from target, on the fly). If you could develop a system of bound-key and mouse combinations to escalate/change the functions on the radial menu depending on type of action desired, that would be advantageous.

(e.g. Pressing "alt" or "Ctrl" while holding left-click for radial menu over your ship might escalate "show info" to "view resistances" and produce a more concise view, which wouldn't require me to have the Fittings window taking up half of my viewable real-estate.)

ii. Space Controls: As with above, presently you have to target specific sprites or MOBs to pull up different radial menus, but interacting with spatial markers, coordinates saved to personal, and accessing asteroid belts still rely on right-click context menus. Could you please design a radial menu for spatial interaction?

iii. Numeric second-tier access to radial menus: I use my number pad a lot. Having the ability to map it separately for my radial menus would be fantastic.

(e.g. Press "5" to bring up the radial menu, then 1-clockwise-through-2 to access the different radial compass icons, in combination with alt or ctrl keys, as above, for escalation of functions.)

Just my $0.02.

All of this, right here.

My biggest gripe about the radial menu is where and where not it is used.

Drones | no, I have to pull my hair out to manage the drone UI

In addition to my statement about radial menu escalation for drone and spatial control elements, I will add the following:

iv. it would be advantageous to have the following functions available in a radial menu for drone control:
a. Drone/Fighter control: "Engage Selected Target"
b. Drone/Fighter control: "Engage all Hostile Targets" (hostile defined as PvE rats, members you're at war with, members with open suspect ticket)
c. Drone/Bomber control: "Torpedo/Bomb Selected Target"
d. Drone control: "Mine all X resource" > followed by > "Select X resource to mine"
e. Drone/Fighter control: "Return to Drone Bay"
f. Drone/Fighter control: "Attack all FoF"
g. Drone/Fighter control: "Kamikaze selected unit" > Initiate animation, damage = (drone hp+base structure+armor) / 4, rounded down

It's on your own ship... in the secondary layer
You can also set default orbit, keep at range and warp distances from the Radial Menu on your own ship

Hi all,

I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu

I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
• Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
• Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).

We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes



Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it

What I'd really like to have is the option to bind a modifier key to a mouse button to launch the radial menu.

Shift+rclick to instantly bring up the menu, for example.

Hi all,

I hope we are all liking Odyssey and all it brings, and of course that we are all using the new Radial Menu

I wanted to check in with you guys, and see if how it was treating you and if you have any comments on the actions we have in it.

• Have you run into any objects in space that have no primary action but you wish they did?
• Are there objects that you wished had a different primary action?
• Do you feel any objects are missing very commonly used actions (either as primary action, or in second layer).

We have put a lot of thought into the Radial Menu actions and are fairly happy with it as it is today. We do recognized that we might have missed some actions and would like to hear your thoughts, and then evaluate if we should make some minor changes



Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it

0) WE ARE NOT ALL USING THE RADIAL MENU, I AM NOT. no thank you

if we do run into an object in space and we select it, we MUST SEE all actionable option in the selected item menu applet dont we?

and WHERE THIS applet is concerned, all appropriate options should be auto labelled 0-9, so that our mouse is still over our target, and our left hand (or right for some) activates these options! by GOD, this is call real operational ergonomics (which is still lacking). ie : right hand click-holds object, left hand types number option. eg : click-hold station, type 3 = dock ... type 4=orbit ... type 8=info ... WHY focus all operations only into the mouse and not expand/diversify it into keyboard? ... PROPERLY ??? (imagine raised voice of GORDON RAMSAY)

come on guys, you have only 1 XY function on mouse, 2-3 buttons on it, but on your left hand (or right for some), you are hovering over at least 15 keys for instant access without any screen clutter, everybody have at least a 84keyed keyboard. why fixate everything to the mouse?

Im sure it has been mentioned somewhere in these pages, but I would have liked to seen the radial menu apply to POS structures as well. My goal is to use it completely and hide the selected item window, unfortunately I cant do that yet on corporate hangers and such. :)

I like this part. And a little + to it: any ways to create mappings to keys nonexistent on the real keyboard? For gaming keyboard/mouse users.

Just for purposes of clarity, I mean this being the primary action for someone clicking on a titan piloted by someone else, not on their own titan.

" Edit: this is not thread about you wanting to disable it, it's already possible to increase the delay and bind it to a different key so it really shouldn't get in your way if you don't want it"

Ok - dumb newbie question - on the Macintosh, clicking on an object brings up the radial menu, no hot key required, it just pops - where are the instructions on how to map it to something else?

Sorry ask a noob question here.

It is driving me nuts because I can't do a lot of things I used to be able to do because the radial menu pops immediately.

If you open the ESC menu, there are options there to bind the Radial Menu to a different key and also to change the delay. Please let me know if that doesn't do the trick, i'm curious if the delay works somehow differently on Macs.

Karkur, Id like to point out that I like the radial menu, and I also liked being able to resort your locked targets. Unfortunately, you can't do both, because the radial menu comes up when you click and hold on a ship to move it. Please fix this.

Moving the targets around has been changed. Before, you had to hold the mouse down on the target for a while, it would pop out and you could move it. Now you just drag it right away, you will get a "ghost" target and the target itself is not actually moved until you drop it. This is more in line with out drag/drop works everywhere else in the game.
I hope that solves your issue

If you open the ESC menu, there are options there to bind the Radial Menu to a different key and also to change the delay. Please let me know if that doesn't do the trick, i'm curious if the delay works somehow differently on Macs.

Moving the targets around has been changed. Before, you had to hold the mouse down on the target for a while, it would pop out and you could move it. Now you just drag it right away, you will get a "ghost" target and the target itself is not actually moved until you drop it. This is more in line with how drag/drop works everywhere else in the game.
I hope that solves your issue

If you open the ESC menu, there are options there to bind the Radial Menu to a different key and also to change the delay. Please let me know if that doesn't do the trick, i'm curious if the delay works somehow differently on Macs.

So there is a thread about this here. Silly me posted in the information portal dev blog thread where it has been ignored for weeks...

I filed a bug report a while back, because when you set the delay to zero, as I would like to do, you cannot switch active targets anymore. Clicking on a locked target will open the radial menu instantly, but not make the target active. The practical implication of course is that you just cannot set the delay to zero because the game becomes unplayable.

Any news on that? The radial menu is great, but if I have to set a delay it loses much of its usefulness. Its strength is that it makes UI interactions much quicker... but not when I have to wait a second every time I want to issue a command.

edit: Btw bug report ID is 162091

Hey all,

I just returned from vacation and while I was away I was happily ignoring you

We have made a bunch of changes, but sadly for me, my memory is so bad that I don't remember so well what we have already released in a patch and what we will release later in a point release (vacations are great!).

So, I'll have some more replies and update for you soon, just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you, I was just ignoring you

And again, thank you for your feedback!

So, I'll have some more replies and update for you soon, just wanted to let you know I hadn't forgotten about you, I was just ignoring you

And again, thank you for your feedback!

We're shocked and horrified that you went off and had a good time without us. Shocked, I tell you!

Any vacation where you forget everything about work must have been good.

I like the looks of the radial menu, however it is way too slow and not intuitive. I never used it again after briefly testing it. Sorry Karkur!

Speaking of this reminded me of one time where I attempted to use the radial menu to warp my pod out after losing a ship in fw, I activated the radial menu either two or three times attempting to warp to a random celestial before I was pointed & podded. Is there some sort of delay on the mac after your ship goes up in smoke before the radial menu works or did I just mess up under the pressure & fail to get out though being in a bit of a panic.
Something which I know caused me to lose my only other pod (clicking frantically on the warp to icon in the selected item until I hid the window).

Just to clarify I'm not looking for any reimbursement, all that I lost was pride xD

Edit : Also, the radial menu is awesome & I love how fluid it has made the game feel.

My biggest gripe about the radial menu is where and where not it is used.
info icons | no, right click, click what tab I want, right click another info icon (just clunky)

could you help me out with explaining what you mean by "info icons"?

One very annoying thing is that when the radial menu opens by mistake, it doesn't close itself when you move the mouse far away from it, which is very annoying. As far as I know the only way to close it without doing an action is to hit the escape key, which is odd for a mouse gesture.

EDIT: also, when you do use the action from the radial menu, the pointer warps back to the center of the button you clicked (even when it was not on it), which is counter-intuitive and intrusive in my opinion.