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Taguchi Hiroko Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.18 10:50:00 - [1321] I agree with Dash. Deimos is bit nerfed, speedwise slower than the Thorax as a blaster boat just baffles me.
Kunming adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.07.18 11:06:00 - [1322] Originally by: Alyssee Apoc. Ferox. Moa. All more urgent as Gallente already has far more solid PvP choices than Amarr or Caldari. LoL thats supposed to be an arguement? If you have HAC 5, Med Blaster Spec 5 and all related skills maxed with a +5% Med Blaster Dmg Implant u would wanna fly a Deimos instead of an Ishtar and this would be one of the most important threads for you, dont you think? Besides u dont see deimos pilots saying "Hey we are waiting for the deimos to be fixed since 3 years..." in Apoc or Ferox threads, so buzz off u troll! Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Angus Torg	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:29:00 - [1323] Me got a Deimos with HAC 5, Blaster spec (only) 4 and a 5% medium hybrid damage implant. So... ...signed. Can we get EVE back? Please.
Kunming adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.07.18 14:57:00 - [1324] All we demand is at least the speed of thorax and slightly reduced mass, thats not gonna make deimos nber but it will give it some room for gangs and solo work. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Aurran Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:06:00 - [1325] Originally by: Kunming All we demand is at least the speed of thorax and slightly reduced mass, thats not gonna make deimos nber but it will give it some room for gangs and solo work. Signed.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:28:00 - [1326] Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 18/07/2007 17:33:18 Can someone tell me what exactly is wrong with the deimos? She is a gank ship through and through, her damage out put can be through the roof for a cruiser. Just like many other ships, you have to make choices, with this ship the choice is tank or gank. its the only HAC with double damage bonus and a 50m3 drone bay. Deimos already is an uber gang ship.
Ihar Enda Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:51:00 - [1327] Edited by: Ihar Enda on 18/07/2007 17:51:19 /signed for the n-th time Boost speed and/or agility. Possibly boost pg slightly once again and change 1 highslot into a 4th mid.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:04:00 - [1328] Leave her be shes fine the way she is
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:36:00 - [1329] Originally by: Ihar Enda change 1 highslot into a 4th mid. It's called a Vigilant. The requests for more agility are reasonable but an extra mid, **** that.
Rollfizzlebeef	Posted - 2007.07.18 18:37:00 - [1330] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Leave her be shes fine the way she is wow you must fly a deimos all the time to be suck an expert. and a douple damage bonus doesnt do any good when you have a 3km range and are one of the slowest cruiser sized ships in the game.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:07:00 - [1331] Quote: wow you must fly a deimos all the time to be suck an expert. and a douple damage bonus doesnt do any good when you have a 3km range and are one of the slowest cruiser sized ships in the game Yeah, god forbid that gallente have a ship thats not solo own mobile. HAve you considered that with blasters you can hit 20km with fall off? it does get a fall off bonus for a reason ya know with good skills you can expect almost 1500 m/s out of her wihtout implants... eagle will do 1300 m/s... cerb will do 1350 m/s... yeah seems really slow... And as far as a 3km optimal? tell me what FORCES you to fit blasters? If you don't like a 3 km optimal, you can always fit zomg a rail gun!
Techyon 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.18 21:48:00 - [1332] 20km with med blasters? in your dreams maybe. Even with neutron blasters and Null your damage will be 50% or only a bit more than 50% at 10km, at 20km you will miss nearly all shots even with max gunnery and spaceship command skills. (FYI the falloff bonus isn't very spectacular on med blasters) Railguns are not what the ship is meant for, ever read the description? here's a part of it : "Rumor has it Duvolle was contracted by parties unknown to create the ultimate close-range blaster cruiser". Now of course thats not definitive but its a strong indication of the ships role. Furthermore a Deimos with rails isn't actually a very spectacular ship, its dps isn't bad but for it to not be bad you need 250mm rail II's. They're hard to fit so forget a tank. Then there's range which isn't very good either so sniping isn't really a very viable option. Not to mention that other ships like the Cerberus are much more efficient at ranged combat and can actually have a tank in the process. As for the Eagle and the Cerb being slower... Well, they're ships meant for ranged engagements mostly. Of course the Cerb does good at pretty much any range and the Eagle is decent up close. Besides, although the Deimos' speed isn't good at all the biggest problem I have with it personally is the agility and mass. It should just turn a lot faster than it does. And Vaga pilots need not fear, even if the Deimos would receive a buff for speed and agility it would have nothing on a vaga since it'll always lack range because of blasters.
Taguchi Hiroko Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:20:00 - [1333] Nobody is really asking for an extra mid slot or anything excess. It's just unreasonable that the t2 ship is actually slower than its t1 counterpart, while its main weapon relies on close range. Makes absolutely no sense. If Boeing makes an upgrade of the F18 to the Pentagon and its actually slower, you think they would get the contract to mass produce?
TitatBPC	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:25:00 - [1334] Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Nobody is really asking for an extra mid slot or anything excess. It's just unreasonable that the t2 ship is actually slower than its t1 counterpart, while its main weapon relies on close range. Makes absolutely no sense. If Boeing makes an upgrade of the F18 to the Pentagon and its actually slower, you think they would get the contract to mass produce? actually the original f18s where slower/not as much range as the f14
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:45:00 - [1335] Quote: 20km with med blasters? in your dreams maybe. Even with neutron blasters and Null your damage will be 50% or only a bit more than 50% at 10km, at 20km you will miss nearly all shots even with max gunnery and spaceship command skills. (FYI the falloff bonus isn't very spectacular on med blasters Have you ever heard of a taranis? If you want to gank really fast ships I suggest you fly wiht a hugin our an inty that can web something long enough for you to get there. I'm sorry but its got plenty of agility to get into blaster range. Its gotta have a draw back for being the highest dps cruiser in the game..... otherwise why fly anything else.
Kunming adeptus gattacus Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.07.18 22:56:00 - [1336] Hehe, yeah 4th mid in exchange of the 5th hi would be nice but a bit over the top.. too much versatility for a ship with so much dmg I gotta admit. Also forget about PG, just max ur skills and everything u need fits, just dont try to fit a med armor rep, you dont have the cap for it anyway! Again we just want speed of thorax and slightly reduced mass (like -150tn or something), with its slow hips this baby is only a liability to a cruiser gang. Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
Xoduse Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.19 11:21:00 - [1337] All it really needs is a +20m/s speed boost (10m/s more than thorax) and reduced mass... ---------------------------------
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.19 11:39:00 - [1338] signed coz its a bootiful ship GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Antagonistic	Posted - 2007.07.19 12:09:00 - [1339] Give her some love
Krysta Swap	Posted - 2007.07.19 14:03:00 - [1340] Originally by: TitatBPC Originally by: Taguchi Hiroko Nobody is really asking for an extra mid slot or anything excess. It's just unreasonable that the t2 ship is actually slower than its t1 counterpart, while its main weapon relies on close range. Makes absolutely no sense. If Boeing makes an upgrade of the F18 to the Pentagon and its actually slower, you think they would get the contract to mass produce? actually the original f18s where slower/not as much range as the f14 Yehp, which is why the Air Force chose the F16 (Better fighter). Leave it to the Navy to take scraps. :3
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.19 21:56:00 - [1341] Originally by: fire 59 signed coz its a bootiful ship Yeah it really is... best looker ingame...
Audrea Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.20 01:59:00 - [1342] Still true, after all those years! :( /signed again! If not both, at the very least speed boost is all we ask.. or the aagility. hmm I wasnt active for over half year.. its still Tux in charge of the Deimos? :D Save Tranquility!
Taguchi Hiroko Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.20 09:27:00 - [1343] /signed
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.20 09:51:00 - [1344] I'd give my right arm for a 4th middle, but any boost would be good tbh.
Grytok German Kings OPUS Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.20 11:59:00 - [1345] To make it short, the Deimos has no Fitting-Issues in my Oppinion. Buff the Speed and the agility of this Ship and we're all fine with it. +10 m/sec, -10% Mass! The main-issue I've with the Deimos is, that it takes 3 cycles of MWD (30 seconds!!!) to even reach Top-Speed, which is absolutely horrible, if you've to travel more then 20km to get in optimal range. Make it half that time, and we're there! .
Akiman	Posted - 2007.07.20 12:15:00 - [1346] deimos is only good for taking out tech 1 cruisers and frigs maybe... boost pg...while other tech 2 ships get more higher pg after the patch....deimos only took a few boost mass and speed... i dont need to tell anything right?...
Justice Bringer Minmatar Combined Technologies	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:38:00 - [1347] Originally by: Hephaesteus I'd give my right arm for a 4th middle, but any boost would be good tbh. No need for anything quite so drastic, all you need to do is just get hold of a Vigilant as that has the4th med slot you want.
Ihar Enda Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:26:00 - [1348] Boost teh deimos!!111
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:27:00 - [1349] Battleships own it, battlecruisers own it. Its too slow to hurt anyhting else.
ClarkdaHood Gallente Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.22 04:38:00 - [1350] boost the deimos so its actually worth the insane hac prices

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