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kieron	Posted - 2005.12.16 02:37:00 - [1] Post your RMR issues in this thread. Please keep all comments constructive, as flames and the like will be deleted. If you do have an issue or concern to post, please ensure you file a bug report and include all pertinent information. This thread will remain locked until Tranquility goes live after RMR is deployed. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Ominus Decre	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:05:00 - [2] Right click on product listed in market caused the EVE client to crash to desktop.
Isiss Svorxvo	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:06:00 - [3] actually i crashed in the market also trying to set destination
Dillon Braveheart	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:07:00 - [4] im CTD every 30 secs i just got to change skill really fast changed it then CTD again not sure if its changed now im going for my 49th attempt now
Hanns	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:09:00 - [5] Where did my FPS go? Cold war 35-40 FPS in station Red moon rising 10-12 FPS Erg what happend?
Dillon Braveheart	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:11:00 - [6] 96th attempt
Evil Edna	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:11:00 - [7] like 4 ctds then server cant connect kr0m killboard In game channel kr0m-public
SGXiphias	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:11:00 - [8] I got dropped from the game a couple times, but am getting an awesome FPS boost so nice job, and i love the new effects!
zergdawg	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:11:00 - [9] how you check fps and I having the Cluster Startup problem also -----------------------------------------------
Ushima Koranaki	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:12:00 - [10] ctrl+f for fps monitor

Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Hanns Where did my FPS go? Cold war 35-40 FPS in station Red moon rising 10-12 FPS Erg what happend? I was getting just after I logged on around 100 fps now it has dropped to 50ish and is steady. I guess the servers are having great time of it atm so give it time m8, at least your in
Malachi Nefzen	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:13:00 - [12] Merlin - Varation WORM no avaible on the varaiation tab
NickWest	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:13:00 - [13] Font is more difficult to read than the old font. Character combinations such as "tre" are especially hard as there is NO visible white space between them on the smallest font size, before at the smallest font size it was perfectly legible.
Evasius	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:14:00 - [14] 1. Trailies should get a day back for the time spent updating. 2. My character is stuck in a station...
Trepkos	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:14:00 - [15] It will like two or three days till all the problems seem to clear up. Especially when dealing with a major patch like this. I would recommend, packing as many neccessities as you can get from your local grocer, and turn the lights off in your hangar to conserve energy. --------
Dillon Braveheart	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:15:00 - [16] logged in on 97th attempt CTD after 157 secs ... i stop watched it :)
Mother Clanger	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:15:00 - [17] Much congratulations on the upgrade, I've said so on the congrats thread. However, I do not believe enough notice was given to the community on the date of this upgrade. I went to bed on Sunday night (11th) at which point, corrent me if I'm wrong, no specific patch date had been announced. Of course when I went to logon at 9:00 pm on Wednesday to change skills the patch was in deployment. As a result I've lost more than a days training on 2 accounts. Not a huge deal but personally I would have like more notice about it.
Raaz Satik	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:19:00 - [18] Crashed undocking and crashed the first 5 (of 6) times I've tried to Warp. Crashed once on charactor selection as well.
Edison Frisk	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Edison Frisk Originally by: Hanns Where did my FPS go? Cold war 35-40 FPS in station Red moon rising 10-12 FPS Erg what happend? I was getting just after I logged on around 100 fps now it has dropped to 50ish and is steady. I guess the servers are having great time of it atm so give it time m8, at least your in Not that we are banging on about fps, but I am undocked now and framerate steady at around 47ish
JForce	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:20:00 - [20] Im just getting stuck at the "logging in" screen. JForce CEO and Founder of NWA NWA now recruiting

Gunsnroses	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:21:00 - [21] Is anyone else getting "The socket was closed" that isthe one and only error i get, also says it under status. I havnt even go to character screen or anything. I just wanted to make sure i wasnt alone in getting this error
Vehestian	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:21:00 - [22] I was getting the same message as Dillon...got to Logging In now though...got my attributes and roles by now, slowly chugging through the rest. Let's see how much further we gets ROFL at number of people logging on atm
Dillon Braveheart	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:24:00 - [23] i aggree mother ... this patch was handled EXTREMLY badly ... i did not see any notification of advance warning about deployment tilli woke up yesterday and the announcment was made if i remember correctly 00:03 GMT 15th ... Red Moon Rising Deployment Information reported by: kieron \| 2005.12.14 00:23:54 Red Moon Rising, CCP's free content and improvement expansion for EVE Online, will be deployed on Wednesday, 14 December. At 2000 GMT, Tranquility will be taken down. Due to the size of this deployment, we are estimating the update will take approximately 24 hours. That is SO not near enuff time for ppl to know i rang everyone i know to get skill sorted out. Oh and CTD again on attempt 101 i just wanna change my frigging skill LONGER cuss this is a right mess then goto bed
Engelious Angelion	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:24:00 - [24] Black screen upon Un-docking Stuck there CTD' every 2 minutes.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Sobeseki Pawi on 16/12/2005 03:27:11 grrr..double post. ~Sobe Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:26:00 - [26] Did anyone else's skills double in training time? Says 10 days 10 hours 53 mins, and 12 seconds to train Instant Recall 5 on my new main. Uh...bug? ~Sobe Originally by: TomB Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut? Yup.
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:27:00 - [27] The new font is horribly hard to read! Please give us back the old one. If it ain't broke don't fix it! And wasn't the damage control supposed to give structure resistance too? Doesn't say that it does in the stats...
Decairn	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:28:00 - [28] Jumping between systems does not issue the "Jumping" message, and then never end up loading to next system. Have to kill client and relogin. --Decairn
Treacle Shazboat	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:29:00 - [29] Trying to buy from the market. The buy window is blank. Try to send a petition dropped me to the desktop.
Amuenet Amon'Ra	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:30:00 - [30] I logged in 2 or 3 times so far and there are no items in my hanger or assets tab, and I keep getting dropped from the server. Thanks for the free expansion your the coolest company ever. Hope the problems can get fixed easily for ya Amuenet Amon'Ra

DarkWizzard	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:32:00 - [31] Agression Countdon - This showed up when I shot at a rat - this is ment to show for unsanctioned pvp only?
Millis	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:32:00 - [32] Originally by: Leandro Salazar The new font is horribly hard to read! Please give us back the old one. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Yes please fix this. The old one was so much better. This isn¦t good for the eyes. It makes the font look like a beta game too.
Ushima Koranaki	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:32:00 - [33] Char select stuck now here, figure thats the server load tho atm. Or hehe, i hope. ;)
Imitus	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:34:00 - [34] Rlelease at 9:00 PM (CST -( GMT-6)) in the past 30 mins the connections went from 0 to 6700. Thats 3.7 Connection requests MINIMUM a second. Thank you CCP for having good servers.
Boomer941	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi Did anyone else's skills double in training time? Says 10 days 10 hours 53 mins, and 12 seconds to train Instant Recall 5 on my new main. Uh...bug? yup mine did too, i had enineering 5 set to finish friday night, now it it has 1 daya dn 20 hours too go :/ this isnt good becous ei leave for vaction saturday morning at 5 am
DarkWizzard	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:35:00 - [36] Unable to buy things from market. Wallet flashes but isk doesn't decrease and nothing shows in the items hanger. (others in local Mista have same fault)
Gunsnroses	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Gunsnroses Is anyone else getting "The socket was closed" that isthe one and only error i get, also says it under status. I havnt even go to character screen or anything. I just wanted to make sure i wasnt alone in getting this error I rebooted my computer, and it fixed this problem.
Treacle Shazboat	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:35:00 - [38] Tried to undock. Went to a completely black screen for a while, then dumped to desktop.
Alvara	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:36:00 - [39] Freight Containers are missing from market, and can't find them period.
Akhual	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:37:00 - [40] Bugs I saw in my short time of play (it's 0330 here I gotta finally sleep lol) - - Market bugs, all that have been mentioned... - Buddy showing offline (the little red light square thing) even though he's in chat and talking to me. - Font isn't the best for my eyes, but may be better for others... - FPS improved for my sys Safe journeys all...

Thales Archon	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:37:00 - [41] Not experiencing any of the problems other people are mentioning. Probably just momentary server glitches. I'm also getting ~45 fps, and I'm on the other side of the planet from Iceland. Good job! Large Shield Extender II: thanks for the CPU reduction along with the (expected) grid reduction (though I think it was a bit much... people are going to be fitting them on frigates now). In any case, the grid calculation seems a tad off. I have Shield Upgrades 4, which should give a 20% reduction on grid usage. However, the extender's grid has been reduced by exactly 22.4%. I'm sure this is the most pressing post-patch problem yet discovered! Cheers.
Futher Bezluden	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:38:00 - [42] probably another market post. cleared the machonet folder, probably just lag
Gunsnroses	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:38:00 - [43] Yeah there is indeed missing skill time. My skill i had training should have ended 4 hours ago. But now has 4 more hours to go ......
Leam	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:38:00 - [44] damage control II = 125% bonus shield resistances... i wonder it's a bug? lol
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:38:00 - [45] BUG: Right click menu, when right clicking on your ship, is not available if you have "Load Station Environment" turned off, thus preventing you from opening the Drone Bay without using shortcut keys. WORKAROUND: Enable "Load Station Environment" and the right click menu returns. ----------
AnA Stryx	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:39:00 - [46] Major lag. so pilots take note of this.. If things take 2 long to load, dock, undock view info ect, its mainly bcus of the server lag, due to thousands trying to log in. Also b 4 undocking check your drone bays, if you having probs. Thanks for the expansion. GR8 Dev Tem.
Expert Newbie	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:39:00 - [47] Issue on fonts: Chinese and Japanese are only readable using the middle font size. At small, both are unreadable (garbled) and at large Chinese is unreadable and Japanese converts to a more stylized font that makes it hard to distinguish between a tenten and a maru. ----------
Saccia Rolanes	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:39:00 - [48] Edited by: Saccia Rolanes on 16/12/2005 03:42:31 Edited by: Saccia Rolanes on 16/12/2005 03:41:32 Edited by: Saccia Rolanes on 16/12/2005 03:40:00 Originally by: Dillon Braveheart i aggree mother ... this patch was handled EXTREMLY badly ... i did not see any notification of advance warning about deployment tilli woke up yesterday and the announcment was made if i remember correctly 00:03 GMT 15th ... Red Moon Rising Deployment Information reported by: kieron \| 2005.12.14 00:23:54 Red Moon Rising, CCP's free content and improvement expansion for EVE Online, will be deployed on Wednesday, 14 December. At 2000 GMT, Tranquility will be taken down. Due to the size of this deployment, we are estimating the update will take approximately 24 hours. That is SO not near enuff time for ppl to know i rang everyone i know to get skill sorted out. Oh and CTD again on attempt 101 i just wanna change my frigging skill LONGER cuss this is a right mess then goto bed Don't start bad threads like this. RMR release date was posted on Sunday, not yesterday, in the Official Announcement. Don't slam CCP for your lack of reading. Notice the header: new faces need new servers! oh, and where's red moon rising? reported by Oveur \| 2005.12.11 17:25:46
Hanns	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:40:00 - [49] Originally by: Leam damage control II = 125% bonus shield resistances... i wonder it's a bug? lol You missed the . coz of the new font its actually 12.5%
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:40:00 - [50] Kieron & CCP Staff, great job. You beat the patch downtime record ;) So far I've noticed lotsa lag. -- I don't represent my alliance God is on the side with the best artillery

MysticNZ	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:40:00 - [51] Market just takes along time to open... that is all... Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
KzerZa	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:41:00 - [52] So far I really like some of the improvements, but the font is terrible!! It's unreadable for the most part I have to move in close and squint to see it. Even when adjusted to be wide and larger, the text is too narrow and the text in the chatbox remains unchanged. I know its not as important as some of the problems other people are having (like not getting in) but if there is a way to revert to the old font that would be awesome snd is much needed.
nukebie	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:41:00 - [53] Please.. please... please fix the TERRIBLE font. Impossible to read.
Jared VonBargen	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:42:00 - [54] on a serious note, all of my buddies (except 1) is shown as offline, even the one im talking to ingame....other than that i like it :)
Jesters Knight	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:42:00 - [55] i am tryign to setup a BPO to do ME research, i select the station, then select the BPO, click ok. and notheing happens.... where are we suposed to pay for the time and all that good stuff?
Leam	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:42:00 - [56] Originally by: Hanns Originally by: Leam damage control II = 125% bonus shield resistances... i wonder it's a bug? lol You missed the . coz of the new font its actually 12.5% Oh cool, my bad, thanks. I was going to start training shield tanking ships right now lol.
Daac Iomen	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:43:00 - [57] Not pleased with the new font. It's more techno looking and all...but man...it's so sterile and hard to read...it doesn't have the character the old one had. It's weird, I know it's just a font...but it's like the soul of the game has changed with the new font...and not really for the better.
Deadworlds	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:44:00 - [58] Font is absolutely horrid. After 10 minutes, I have developed a headache from trying to read it no matter what options I use. Please bring back old Font.
Dillon Braveheart	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:44:00 - [59] ok i got logged in 102nd attempt changed skill i even browsed around for good 10 minutes i logged myself out .... lag subsided all things green :) time for bed
Noxic	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:45:00 - [60] Change the font or let us have a Choice between Eye strain and normal ( old ) font...thanks...if the font isnt changed i will be looking elsewhere in future for my enjoyment...im not going to ruin my eyesight on a computer game that i have to squint to read the text on.

Brep	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:46:00 - [61] Originally by: Dillon Braveheart logged in on 97th attempt CTD after 157 secs ... i stop watched it :) See this is exactly why everyone is having so much trouble. As kieron said, probably 15,000 or more poeple trying to lon in at once. As if that's not bad enough, many people are trying over and over again as fast as they can which is only making the problem WORSE. 97 times?? How do you expect a company like CCP to handle so many people flooding the login server? Anyway, if problems persist I'd really suggest making other plans for atleast half a day. Eve is just too popular it seams... we all want a piece of RMR!
Boogey Trollias	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:47:00 - [62] 1) Font is absolutely horrible and unreadable at 1900x1200 resolution. I cannot believe font hasn't been tested. It's been whined about SO much in advance. It makes game almost unplayable. 2) Having to shoot half of your OWN drones not to compromise your safespot deep at 0.0 territory because you cannot warp with your expensive T2 drones you had before patch in dronebay ....... . Seems like a waste of money. Well, it is. 3) I tought fitting at POS Ship Maint. didn't require using of your own capasitor anymore?
Firebyrd	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:47:00 - [63] Edited by: Firebyrd on 16/12/2005 03:52:59 I really like the new font, old was blurry and ran together to much, i like this one.(i dont know how the heck u can play it at 1900X1200, at 1600X1200 i can barely see things it so small...lol, how tiny is ur stuff..sheesh) also, why do hardners have a negetive integer infront of the boost(-50%), also why am i getting an agression timer, when its NPC rats attacking me in the belts, only one in system, only one in belt (0.8) system Nice explosions as well ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Today we celebrate, for tomorrow we die learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow May the force b
shivan	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:47:00 - [64] No new BPO's have been seeded for my minnie starship engineering
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:48:00 - [65] I was stuck for 10 minutes in a repeatetive jump between sortet and claulenne I needed to relog
gubble flob	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:49:00 - [66] production doesnt work atall, try building something, it wont let you get past a certain point every time, the same point.
Mhaal	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:49:00 - [67] The font is absolutely horrid. Please, please, please, please, please, please give us the option to switch it back. It's very hard to read and quite frankly looks very unprofessional on the larger sized font messages like 'Warp Drive Active' messages and such.
Galactina Evol	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:51:00 - [68] yep the font has to go, im getting horrid eyestrain
Trev Kachanov	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:51:00 - [69] New font is kinda hard to read, previous font was definately superior :)
Beldaws	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:53:00 - [70] Mining Crystal IIs now require Nocx to build?!?!?!?! This is a bug! The nocx is used to build the tech 1 crystals. Please remove the nocx requirement on mining crystal IIs.

Facetious One	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:54:00 - [71] HElP ME UNDERSTAND SOMETHING: OK you halfed the drones I can use in a mining barge... ( I used to use 5 mediums...now I can only put 2 in) Then It was told to us that the half amount (2 in my case) would do as much damage and be more resilient than the previous drones...... Please explain to me how my 2 vespas....that can now cause only 3 more HP of damage, only has 7 more HP of shields, and only 9 more HP of armor are going to be as effective as my 5 vespas that I used before....
maniago	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:54:00 - [72] Went on first mission, no problems until I had targets targeted. Started firing got message "unable to target" had to wait about 30 - 40 sec to retarget. This happened twice, with two different sets of targets. Was able to finish mission with no other problems
skilz	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:55:00 - [73] You cannot eject lab slots...I cannot find a way..please help --
Sytras	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:56:00 - [74] Originally by: Fredou I was stuck for 10 minutes in a repeatetive jump between sortet and claulenne I needed to relog I also was stuck in a jump between Sobaseki and Isanamo. Jump text appeared, controls were responsive (proper text displayed and such), but ship didn't appear. Closed the client after 15 minutes. Had to close client and log in again.
s73v3n2k	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:58:00 - [75] Now unable to build a freighter or dread in a station. When installing i get the following message:- The activity is supported but the end product type is not supported for this activity Please can someone explain this ? The components install and start building fine btw
gubble flob	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:59:00 - [76] Production doesnt work atall.
Shai 'Hulud	Posted - 2005.12.16 03:59:00 - [77] IMO, the notice for the deployement of this patch was given MUCH too close to the time it went down. I went to sleep and there was nothing up ... when I woke up the server was down. We were given less than 24hrs warning on this. I spent most of this extended downtime training nothing, thank you for that CCP Little tip CCP, things like this are only an inconvenience when you don't give us ample warning so that we may prepare ourselves. Next time you decide to take the game down for 30hrs+, do us a favor and let us know a little sooner
Lebowske	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:01:00 - [78] Agression Timer - as mentioned previously - but it get's activated by LOCKING the NPC's - even autolock activates the aggression timer. Keep it - this is fun - we have to safespot in empire :D -------------------- - Lebowski -- I, the royal we, you know, the editorial --
Sebo	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:01:00 - [79] Fonts are unreadable - changing them back to good fonts would be beneficial to our eyes
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:02:00 - [80] Edited by: Omber Zombie on 16/12/2005 04:03:59 guardian-Vexor bonus description is I assume wrong: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. edit: and you can't launch drones on them at all ---------------------- Originally by: Seleene I maintain that OZ is evil and have nothing further to add.

Sentinel Roqeze	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:02:00 - [81] Originally by: Lebowske Agression Timer - as mentioned previously - but it get's activated by LOCKING the NPC's - even autolock activates the aggression timer. Keep it - this is fun - we have to safespot in empire :D LMAO! I noticed this too - the funny thing is, you get a sec status increase whilst being considered an outlaw... funny as hell.
Suzimo	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:02:00 - [82] as others have mentioned: please, please, please change the font back! my eyes hurt!!
Zeppi	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:02:00 - [83] Well im off to bed....nothing else to do .. i refuse to play this game with the current font type.perhaps when i wake up in 8-12 hours time a fix will be underway...if its ignored...ill be cancelling my subscription along with the rest of the corp im in...noone likes a whiner but i cannot help it..im sure about 60% of the eve populace also do not like the current font..but will live with it if faced with no alternative....tis the best game ive played so far dont ruin it over a font issue.
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:03:00 - [84] Target Painter suddenly became: Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter And has a bunch of weird skills listed as required... Icon changed too. -G
BrotherGrim	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:05:00 - [85] Hello folks, Take a look at 250mm Carbide Rails 1. My stats with them using iridium is 34km max to 12km. They are not hitting anything from like 19km and less... That cannot be right. It is an interesting look and feel, almost like a brand new game... Very interesting.
halic	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:09:00 - [86] fonts my only complaint atm same prob as was with exodus-coldwar.75%my prob laptop pc
Syris Anu	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:09:00 - [87] I would suggest those having issues to, once they have replicated the issue and waited a bit of time to see if it goes away, exit, go into their Eve install directory and rename cache to cache.old, start up again, and see if that fixes that particular problem. If the problem still exists, try doing a full install intead of a patch update. However, keep in mind that many problems might be lag and not caused by the client. If either of these things fix the problem, still report the problem here and indicate that one of the above changed the behavior. Be as descriptive as possible - the more detail you give, the more others have to troubleshoot.
NetHawk	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:13:00 - [88] Font is not very good in chat, skill training did not happen during the downtime, and level 1 drug outlets are not dropping any overseer loot at all (blown up every named building in the second room and killed every bad guy, in 2 different complexes).
Forino Ovoli	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:14:00 - [89] Fonts. Absolutely need an option for user to configure the prior version. I can play computer games for hours on end and never experience eye strain. I've only been on this new version for 30 minutes, it's four before I normally go to bed and I can hardly bear to play any longer. My eyes are squinting, a headache is developing and I'm probably going to logoff even though I have time set aside to play tonight. If not changed, and if the eye strain continues, I'll probably not be playing much at all. Since I'm still in my first month, I would most likely not renew subscription to a game I can't play.
Snefru	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:14:00 - [90] Edited by: Snefru on 16/12/2005 04:15:10 Address book showing characters offline (red square) when they show in station and they are in corp chat.

Galya Tuvern	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:15:00 - [91] Originally by: Leandro Salazar The new font is horribly hard to read! Please give us back the old one. If it ain't broke don't fix it! I second that...and it's more than horrible...UGH!!! Please fix it asap
Rawne Karrde	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:16:00 - [92] I just wonder why each patch we've gotten recently they feel the need to change te font all the time. Please ccp leave the old one alone.
Kropotkin	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:17:00 - [93] Trouble with drone control: Flew an Iteron-5, which has no drone capability. Switched to Tristan, with a drone in the bay. On leaving station, there was no drone-control panel on scanner. Entered station, exited EVE and restarted EVE, exited station again. Now there was drone-control panel. Entered station, switched to Iteron-5, exited station, reentered station, switched to Tristan, exited station -- again no drone-control panel. Looks like once you fly an industrial, you have to restart the EVE-client to get the drone-control panel back.
Maxlis	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:17:00 - [94] Dunno if it was posted already, but. I was sittin in a usual belt of mine, mining my own buisness, and all of my locked roids disappeared from where locked targets sit. I'm getting shot at by something, that hasn't appeared on the overview. Look, a belt rat. I right click to see what it's under on the overview, and it's Asteroid Guristas Frigate. This is a bit of an issue guys.
DarkWizzard	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:18:00 - [95] Kill rights. I had a guy open a rat can of mine. He showed up as a target I can legally shoot - and I did, but I didn't kill him and he hasn't shown up in my kill rights.
Lorzon	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:19:00 - [96] I'll put it succinctly: teh font r sux0rs I'm like this: ___ I don't hate the Betas and Lifers for being more experienced. I dislike them for being arrogant buggers who thump you if you don't play into their little ego trip.
Nik Bombay	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:19:00 - [97] Fonts are very hard to read. Why the change? I'm not going to be able to play this game. I'll have constant headaches. bad eyestrain
ZahnSchmelz	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:19:00 - [98] Edited by: ZahnSchmelz on 16/12/2005 04:20:20 Please devs --> fix procurment skil (never worked as intended) and I was hoping it will be fixed with RMR. Not everyone is a fighter Thanks and keep the good work, b.
Tac Anderson	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:20:00 - [99] The font is making baby jesus cry. Really. Right before his birthday too...you guys are mean. Seriously though...please change it back, or at least give us an option, it makes my eyes want to bleed after 20 minutes or so.
Lane Shift	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:22:00 - [100] Originally by: Lorzon I'll put it succinctly: teh font r sux0rs I'm like this: LOL, I'm with Lorzon

Spleef	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:23:00 - [101] Before the patch I had a nicely fitted Incursus ready for a mission. Now it doesn't have enough cpu to power the setup. Has there been a cpu nerf for this and perhaps other gallente ships?
Lebowske	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Lebowske Agression Timer - as mentioned previously - but it get's activated by LOCKING the NPC's - even autolock activates the aggression timer. Keep it - this is fun - we have to safespot in empire :D Okai - did a quick test with a shuttle. 1. Locked up some NPC's in an asteriod field. Agression not activated. 2. NPC locked up me. Agression activated. 3. Flew back to the station with timer active - sentries did NOT fire. Docking allowed. -------------------- - Lebowski -- I, the royal we, you know, the editorial --
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:25:00 - [103] Okay, it's been said before, but I'll say it again. PLEASE FIX THE FONT! And please fix Valium lady while you're at it. Also, is the manufacturing set up explained in the patch notes? Because that is confusing as hell. AND, my material requirements went from 193 Nocx to 200 Noxc. Explanation please?
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:27:00 - [104] Font is bad characters on buddy list logged in show red box vs. green ___________________________ Aegis Militia Diplomatic Relations Officer C.E.O. of SHOD
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:28:00 - [105] can't copy selected text on chat in my clipboard
iqplayer	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:28:00 - [106] Ok, I'm having a MAJOR problem with the Role Management function. When I list my corp members, the names that show up on the left hand side ARE NOT the members who it actually displays info for. So, if the list says "Corp member 1", the roles displayed may actually be for "Corp member 2". Additionally, there may be more than one "Corp member 1" listed, although the second time it's displaying the info for "Corp member 5". This really screwed me up at first, because it looked like several new players in the corp had Director privileges. Then, after panicking and removing them, I find out it's really just a display bug. Now, I have no easy way of listing corp members to put roles back right.
Pardack	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:28:00 - [107] Wallet/Font issues: Transactions and Journal use different color schemes. In the Wallet, the Journal font is bolder, brighter and easier to read, while Transactions are darker and harder to read. Please standardize the color schemes. If it's either/or, I say go with the brighter/bolder color scheme. I was squinting a litte while looking at the transactions window. I then switched to the Journal and wow, I almost needed sunglasses, though it was a lot easier to read. If the font brightness was something right between Journal/Transactions, that'd probably be perfect...Not too bright, not too dark. Either way, please use the same color scheme for all wallet functions, for consistency and readibility. Also, if you change your Font to Wide, some rows in the Transactions window become blank. The Type, Price, Qty, Credit, Client and Where columns are blank. Under the When column only the year, month and day show, no time. See Linkage , obviously the red lines are valid data, blank entries are shown as is.
Vang Vorkain	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:28:00 - [108] well when u go to resurch something it ask u to pick instalation! then it taek u to another screen that has whats to be a serch thing like corp personal it has 4 pull down menues! but wont let u pick something to continue with the resurch!
Kyoko Sakoda	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:31:00 - [109] Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 16/12/2005 04:34:10 Four main issues for me with this patch: 1. Font is icky (especially the region font in the map, which is the same as the WDA font) 2. I cannot access my skill list (blank window) 3. Channel text seems to justify to the left when you switch tabs, it can be fixed by changing font size 4. The /me asterisk is screwed up (appearing between the name and the content) 5. No new bloodlines (which seems to have screwed some people over who have sold their main character pre-RMR) Other than the lag I haven't had any more problems.
Summersnow	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:32:00 - [110] outside of a near complete and utter inability to read jack squat with this new font the system seems to be ok for the limited time I've been on. change it back our allow players the option to use a readable font. on an asside, is the font guy like the mentally challanged female colored blind cripple in a wheelchair you have to hire to meet some minority requirement but isn't capable of doing real work cause every patch you throw in some lame ass font change when the old font was perfectly fine.

Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:34:00 - [111] Is anybody's GPU running hotter then normal when running EVE ? Mine seems to be having a fit atm.
FrontC	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:35:00 - [112] Two comments; 1) Agree, the font is BRUTAL. Insanely hard to read, can't even see what I'm typing. 2) I don't have a problem with the new manufacturing concept - I'll get used to it - can we cut down the 27 steps that you need to go through to install a production run? If you're in the same station with the BP and the mins, do we really have to go through all those steps?
IceElf1	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:42:00 - [113] What is the new patch called. I dont see it on the patch page
Dakath	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:43:00 - [114] Targetting is borged. "You are already managing 0 targets, as many as your ship's electronics can handle." Warp out. Warp back in. Get targets. Lose lock at 40km, should be out to 105km given skills, modules and ship. I'm going to bed. I hope this gets fixed fast. Solo playing is a valid play style. Or at least CCP thinks the money they get is valid.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:47:00 - [115] "Targetting is borged. "You are already managing 0 targets, as many as your ship's electronics can handle." Warp out. Warp back in. Get targets. Lose lock at 40km, should be out to 105km given skills, modules and ship. I'm going to bed. I hope this gets fixed fast." As per patch notes -- the NPCs gained ability to target jam, sensor dampen, drain cap and do many nasty things give their particular type. It's possible this is what they're doing to you..? o.O
Sytras	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:48:00 - [116] Originally by: ElricUK The chat bug where the text justifies to the wrong width is still there. altering the channel box width a few times usually clears it. Kinda annoying Frequency: often. The width bug happens only when the chat window is minimized; when the chqt is displayed, new text shows up at the proper width. Except for the Corp channel; that one doesn't seem to have the bug at all. (My corp is School of Applied Knowledge). Hope that helps. Also, font is very difficult to read. rn is indistinguishable from m.
Enid Veldan	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:50:00 - [117] When warned of "stealing" from another players loot can, if you hit cancel, some items are taken anyway on occasion, hence flagging you as a thief. :(
Party Rock	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:52:00 - [118] My clone appears to have wandered off during the downtime because I logged off with the 3.8mill sp clone. When I logged on I have the 30k sp clone...?
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:55:00 - [119] Please Please Please STOP tickering with the FONTS !!! It sux and is hard to read... I mean serious eye STYRAIN after 30 minutes in game... why Oh Why do you feel the need to tinker with the fonts every patch ??? did you get a deal on cheap fonts you feel the need to try every single patch ? Appart from that bit of a rant ...congrats to all you guys for this patch...initiual impression is VERY VERY positive !!!
Elriond	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:56:00 - [120] actually i dont have a problem with the font anymore. i use 12x10. i can read everything but chat. but to fix that i just changed the sizing to the large and i can read it perfectly fine now. gj ccp!

Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.12.16 04:56:00 - [121] Umm I have a really big proglem when I login.. screen is ok at character selection for a while then in like 20 seconds, my pc just DIES, everything stays on, but the monitor turns off and I cant do anything... V_V
DarkWizzard	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:00:00 - [122] When trying to online a mondule under the ship array at a pos it still takes the cap and have to wait for it to recharge.
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:00:00 - [123] the vigilant is not in the variation for thorax/deimos
Idara	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:00:00 - [124] Ctrl - A no longer selects all in the scanner distance box. This is very bad. -------------------------------------------------------- Lance Corporal BSC Military
KrogothZero	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:00:00 - [125] A 9.45 standing isnt high enough for me to install jump clones in empire >.> This is a bug as I could on the test server..
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:00:00 - [126] Originally by: Summersnow outside of a near complete and utter inability to read jack squat with this new font the system seems to be ok for the limited time I've been on. change it back our allow players the option to use a readable font. on an asside, is the font guy like the mentally challanged female colored blind cripple in a wheelchair you have to hire to meet some minority requirement but isn't capable of doing real work cause every patch you throw in some lame ass font change when the old font was perfectly fine. this is not PC ...but it couldn't be put better...
Friday Jones	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:08:00 - [127] Hate the new font, except it does show up a little better over the "white" clouds of space dust. Have gotten stuck in the middle of a jump twice now, forcing game restart. There is no "delete" button for corp mail, but I don't remember if there actually was one before RMR. My FPS has been cut by half, both in space and in station. All the event missions are talking about "big piles of reports" or "hydrogen batteries" or "lots of marines" but are only giving 1 of the item to transport. Minor text bug, I guess.
Jack Anastazi	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:11:00 - [128] Umm ya, i cant even update my client yet. It just tells me it cannot find a patch for the current version, while showing 10,000 players online, wtf?!
Dakath	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:12:00 - [129] Originally by: j0sephine As per patch notes -- the NPCs gained ability to target jam, sensor dampen, drain cap and do many nasty things give their particular type. It's possible this is what they're doing to you..? o.O You were right. Thanks! Solo playing is a valid play style. Or at least CCP thinks the money they get is valid.
Ardipithecus Ramidus	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:13:00 - [130] Make sure you check overview settings! When I warped out to deadspace for my first mission, no rats appeared on my overview, I had to go through my overview settings to reset everything. Probably a result of patching, and not a bug, but annoying. Are we supposed to be able to reprocess mining crystals? I could pre-patch, but now they don't seem to be refineable. Is this intentional or not? Oh, and I'm gonna really nitpick here, but I'm bleeding from my eyeballs, and it's gunking up the keyboard. So could you please roll back the font?

Bron Chan	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:16:00 - [131] Me too, Jack. I wonder if they took the patch off the server temporarily to fix some of the issues that are going on. -- Combat Pilot wannabe
Forino Ovoli	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:16:00 - [132] Two more bug reports - previously mentioned by others, included for verification. Emote Text /me smiles and waves pre-patch: * Forino Ovoli smiles and waves post-patch: *Forino Ovoli smiles and waves The latter breaks the immersion and RP nature of doing an emote in the first place. Selecting & Copying Chat Text** Does not work. Can no longer copy and select text from a chat window. Used to be able to do that prior to the patch.
Runsha	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:16:00 - [133] I must follow up with another request to fix the font. New one has given me a severe headache after less than 30 minutes. It does not scale properly (size change is not uniform when going from small to medium to large font in chat.) Font in chat input window and chat display should be same font, but are not. Font does not justify in the new Character sheet causing skill points to drop off skills unless window is maximized. And really cant play with Character sheet and chat windows taking up 90% of screen. This is NOT a minor issue and needs a priority fix. I'm not asking for a TrueType font (although it would be nice) but it needs to be readable without massive eyestrain.
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:17:00 - [134] am I the only one who is having their pc die after 20 seconds or so every time they try to play? it doesnt matter if i stay at login screen or get into the station, I crash every time at the same ammount of time.
Idara	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:17:00 - [135] Also, why can you no longer warp to a planet with a bunch of asteroid belts, select "show asteroid belts" in the overview and actually be able to see where the belts are in respect the the planet? Kinda makes scanning belts from a planet really ******* annoying now. -------------------------------------------------------- Lance Corporal BSC Military
Tommy TenKreds	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:18:00 - [136] After the hours of deployment, and keeping it more or less to schedule, putting the patch up with the wrong date so that the client can't find it wasn't very clever. Hate the new font - please change it back or add an option for players to select their preference. I don't like what you have done with the escrow interface. The smaller text entry fields make it harder to use, not easier. Huge delays undocking and I have yet to do so successfully.
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:19:00 - [137] I'll echo sentiments of fonts being unreadable, I also have this issue with the font. Its turned my login screen to completely unreadable and all of the buttons/progress bars are screwy. pic of login: Linkage
Mari Y'Tuk	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:21:00 - [138] Bugs: BPO's not returned to hanger after job finish? Unable to cancel Pending Jobs - major headache as Jobs screen does not update when you or someone else starts a job - and jobs queue up for that slot rather than use another empty one. Freighters - Unable to Build in Stations? Modulated Strip Miner II - now requires Deep Core Mining Laser I in addition to Strip miner I to build? My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:28:00 - [139] Originally by: NickWest Font is more difficult to read than the old font. Character combinations such as "tre" are especially hard as there is NO visible white space between them on the smallest font size, before at the smallest font size it was perfectly legible. I feel the same way - this new font is VERY difficult to read - the question mark looked like the numeral 7, for instance. I have to squint to make anything out clearly and it is giving me a headache. This is making my favorite game very difficult to play and enjoy. Nothing was wrong with the old font, no need to remove what works well in favor of what doesn't... Please consider returning to it, or at least allow it as an optional choice.
Evasius	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:32:00 - [140] Anyone know why I can't log into my character who is in a station? This started happening on tuesday before the server went down. The loading bar fills up then just sits there and does nothing. Then when I try to quit the game I have to do it by alt-tab then closing because it wont allow me to do it properly. Any ideas?

Merrin Farthing	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:33:00 - [141] I also am getting an error message when i try to make a freighter in a station. Would love to know if this is a bug or a secret dev plan to make me cry.
Roland Tyr	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:33:00 - [142] I'd strongly encourage everyone to bugreport the font, as I have. Maybe enough reports will prompt some actual results.
Lorzon	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:35:00 - [143] Got a new bug, not related to teh awful font. I'm running a complex and all the loot cans are flagged for a different player and pop way before they're supposed to. ___ I don't hate the Betas and Lifers for being more experienced. I dislike them for being arrogant buggers who thump you if you don't play into their little ego trip.
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:36:00 - [144] The new font is awful.
Sabe	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:36:00 - [145] Gee FONT SIZE seems to be a big gripe... Surprise surprise surprise... ----- TROLL
Alekzander	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:37:00 - [146] Living in -5 Gmt and not getting off work till midnight has it's perks of avoiding the inital hammering of the servers... and OMG I can actually DL the patch at faster than 0.1Kb/s Unlike Exodous, Good job ccp! Now to finish waiting for it to DL so I can maybe log on hehe.
Evasius	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:41:00 - [147] Oh, it appears I cant enter ANY station now. Just amazing. Now all my trial days are just gonna keep slipping away and probably nothing will be done about it. Not a good first impression on me by CCP.
Ankanos	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:42:00 - [148] DO NOT BUILD if you submit somthing to build, it WILL NOT return your bpo/bpc or mins/item. it was like this on test a few hours earlier, and i just tested it with 2 small uranium bpc -ank ---
davidwelsh	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:43:00 - [149] Originally by: Ankanos DO NOT BUILD if you submit somthing to build, it WILL NOT return your bpo/bpc or mins/item. it was like this on test a few hours earlier, and i just tested it with 2 small uranium bpc -ank SOOO TRUE!!! DO NOT BUILD ANYTHING!! Unless you want to loose your BPO/BPC and get nothing in return.
Dalekplunger Slick	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:44:00 - [150] Originally by: davidwelsh Originally by: Ankanos DO NOT BUILD if you submit somthing to build, it WILL NOT return your bpo/bpc or mins/item. it was like this on test a few hours earlier, and i just tested it with 2 small uranium bpc -ank SOOO TRUE!!! DO NOT BUILD ANYTHING!! Unless you want to loose your BPO/BPC and get nothing in return. This is not correct. When your job is complete, you need to go to the science and industry window and press the "Deliver" button to get everything back.

Grez	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:44:00 - [151] Two bugs, drone related: A) The drone interface doesn't apear when you undock sometimes, you have to jump through a gate to get it to apear. B) When telling the drones to return to the drone bay, they stop within 1500 m of your ship, and just stay there without loading, untill you move. Also, the phone sucks. I get headaches from reading it. MSN: [email protected] Corp: www.ravenwarriors.com
Suzimo	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:44:00 - [152] in addition to my previous post about the horrible font... i've also found that my clone was reset, lost approx 24 hours of skill training time, and like others have mentioned here, my buddy icons seem to be broken. these however, are minor issues in comparison with the eye strain and headache this new font has caused. as a closing note, many thanks and cheers to everyone at ccp for getting this patch up and live. we do appreciate it (please fix the font!) :)
noc D	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:48:00 - [153] first... thanx CCP and... new fonts are smart but very hat to read. and another point about fonts: i think times new roman was very very smart on region names. result: old fonts please.
Quakindude	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:48:00 - [154] The font is horrible! Please change it back! My buddies in my corp and alliance are online, but show up red (offline) in all chat windows.
Ankanos	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:49:00 - [155] the people with bad fonts.. are you on an LCD? because it's super crisp on a 19" sony CRT... -ank ---
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:55:00 - [156] I'm on an 18" TFT Iiyama screen, and at 1024x768, the font looks fine. More "spacey". -G
Katrena's Fury	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:57:00 - [157] Originally by: Ankanos the people with bad fonts.. are you on an LCD? because it's super crisp on a 19" sony CRT... -ank 21" top of the line Sony CRT and it looks like ****.
Ardipithecus Ramidus	Posted - 2005.12.16 05:59:00 - [158] Edited by: Ardipithecus Ramidus on 16/12/2005 06:00:15 Despite these issues, there's still a lot that has gone right. I was able to dl the patch with no problems. My fps were way up. There were a few annoyances, such as the buddy list indicators all being red, an inability to right-click on my ship in space (came up with the right click on empty space menu every time), and the font being very difficult to read in chat, and that last one is a big problem. But I was also able to accept an offer from my agent with no problems, get in a couple of missions and did not have any issues (other than the rogue drones seemed to be keeping their distance tonite), no lag, no CTD. The station interface was extremely smooth. I saw reports of market problems, but I didn't experience them. I reprocessed some stuff, and that went well. I upgraded my clone, since the new character sheet format has my current clone listed right under my skillpoint total and it was deficient. I did not switch my skill training, but none of my corpmates seemed to have difficulties with that. All in all, it is remarkably stable from my perspective. Especially when I recall past patches. Help channel was very busy, but with a relatively small number of people, and probably mostly because Kieron was brave enough to venture forth into the morass. Hats off to CCP for getting everything right that I checked out. I know others have issues, and they are legit (are people REALLY losing Capital Ship bps?). But we need to take a step back and remember past patching experience. I brought a new face into the game today, and he figured it would be unplayable for him for the next few days after his experiences with other online games. But there's no problem with his zipping around, much to his delight. There are problems with specific functions, not necessarily inherent instabilities in the platform.
Firebyrd	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:01:00 - [159] when i made my game go to the higher setting i could hardly see anything because it was soooooooooo tiny... my ship was sooooooo tiny, but i love the new font its perfect for 1024X whatever it is..... course if i used the updated drivers for my card probably be even better, but then i couldnt play a lot of my older games cause of it... keep the font i say, but put in a player option to set type fonts ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Today we celebrate, for tomorrow we die learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow May the force b
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:01:00 - [160] "I'm on an 18" TFT Iiyama screen, and at 1024x768, the font looks fine." At 1024x768 on 18" screen everything is the size of that top letter on the eye test chart, small wonder even this new font is redable in such conditions. -.o

Niki Silver	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:02:00 - [161] Mining Upgrades skill is missing from the market Ice Harvester and Mining Laser upgrade module blueprints are missing from the market Damage Control doesnt give the Structure resist, but basic and meta versions do.
K Kinnison	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:03:00 - [162] I agree with everyone else, the font is terrible! Please change it back, or give us an option to put it back ourselves! Also, I have the sidebar set to autohide, but everytime I jump into another system it unhides itself... quite annoying (I'm pretty sure it didn't do this before) - anyone else noticed this behaviour? Other than that, everything seems fine - yet to fight with my 5 drones instead of 8 yet though!!
Pardack	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:03:00 - [163] Originally by: Katrena's Fury Originally by: Ankanos the people with bad fonts.. are you on an LCD? because it's super crisp on a 19" sony CRT... -ank 21" top of the line Sony CRT and it looks like ****. 19" here and any setting - font size, width whatever I change doesn't make the font more readable. My eyes hurt.
Tac Anderson	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:07:00 - [164] Mining Leadership skills aren't on the market...
JoCool	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:08:00 - [165] Mean Font! _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Lupex	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:09:00 - [166] The new manufacturing and research interface The manufacturing...not so bad..can see the possibilities there..frees up slot demand alot The research..is all wrong I have 5 research jobs queued up for the same slot? I can't cancel a research job I can't distinguish between bpo's and bpc's when selecting jobs Why the hell can i try to select bp's from a different station to the one the slots at? There is no way to see what ME levels bpo's are starting at, short of checking each one, one at a time in show info. I purposely split my corp hangars to bpo and bpc..now they are all mixed back together at selection I can select a bpc for mineral research? And to round it all off got my ship blown up at a gate cos some muppet thought it might be a good idea to have npc rats default as not showing on overview.......
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:12:00 - [167] Problems: Font is no good, very hard to read. Sometimes the text is only as wide as half the chatbox, so the window is only 2 words wide Getting stuck in systems (jumping between them) sometimes On the skill that's training, when you mouseover, the skill doesn't expand enough, the skill point count is cut out, I can only see the very tops of the numbers. Frame rates are down slightly. Doesn't effect me very much, but people with lesser hardware seem to not like it. People on my buddy list who were online before I logged in show up as offline, but people who log in after me show up as online.
Joshua Deakin	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:12:00 - [168] Originally by: j0sephine "I'm on an 18" TFT Iiyama screen, and at 1024x768, the font looks fine." At 1024x768 on 18" screen everything is the size of that top letter on the eye test chart, small wonder even this new font is redable in such conditions. -.o Actually you shouldn't use anything but the native resolution in TFT displays. The scaling is always "terrible" to fullscreen. Unless you like those black bars around your view. 17"+ TFT have a 1280x1024 native resolution. 20"+ 1600x1200. 15" have the 1024x768 rez.
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:13:00 - [169] Was there a point in changing the font? Whos bright idea was it? Change it back please. FFS!!
sableye	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:15:00 - [170] no mining gang skills on market (not even under search). ORC is recruiting players now !!

Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:16:00 - [171] Also - when you put a job in the factory, it resets the blueprints list like the market did before the patch - kind of annoying, since the list takes a long time to load up.
Torze	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:17:00 - [172] The only issue I have had so far with the exeption of having to get used to the new font (It does take awhile to get used to but, eventually you will). When I was in deadspace missions, all the enemies were always flashing yellow...whether they were shooting at me or just targeted me. It used to be that enemies firing on you flashed red.
War Bear	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:21:00 - [173] --== Insert font rant here ==-- 21" crt @ 1600x1200 15" lcd @ 1024x768 Tried all settings on both monitors. Eyes still hurting regardless of system\settings\whatever. Put it back please.
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:25:00 - [174] Minimizing a chat window, and if someone talks while it's minimized, then when I bring it back up, the chat is scrolled all the way to the top, and the window margins are messed up. Drop down windows (like the repair facility) can't be brought to the front. I need to minimize everything else to be able to see it.
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:25:00 - [175] Originally by: Omber Zombie Edited by: Omber Zombie on 16/12/2005 04:03:59 guardian-Vexor bonus description is I assume wrong: Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. Ok, it's not a description error, you can launch 10 drones from a g-vexor ---------------------- Originally by: Seleene I maintain that OZ is evil and have nothing further to add.
K Kinnison	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:26:00 - [176] The "reload all" command doesn't seem to work.. I have 5 railguns, before I had to reload each individually, there is now a "reload all" command on the right click menu. However, although it takes the ammo from my cargo hold, it doesn't put it into the railguns :( So, still having to reload each one individually.
Inc MuadDib	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:32:00 - [177] after 5 min of playing I can state 2 issues: 1. the font. Using 17" @ 1280x1024 - readable (tried with every width setting), but with great strain on the eyes 2. colors. Grey text on black background - bad idea. barely readable, hence more strain on the eyes. Solution: either rollback to previous configuration or give us more control over the looks
Vistem	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:34:00 - [178] Ctrl+tab does get rid of all the stuff on the screen. But it doesn't bring it all back. That can be pretty annoying. Also, the font is fine. I find it funny that everybody *****ed about the font last patch. Now that it's gone, they want it back again. I play on 1280x1024. I can read everything fine. Set font to wide if you want. Or larger if you want. And shut up whether you want to or not.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:35:00 - [179] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/12/2005 06:36:56 Question: Where in the Patchnotes does it mention that we will no longer be able to build Freighters or Dreadnoughts using regular Factories ?? Answer: Oh that's right, NOWHERE !! MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
anti depressant	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:38:00 - [180] condor condor condor condor condor anyone else flying a condor before patch? all of the items inside my condor dissapeared after the patch. i looked and looked and looked in assets,i have no other ships they could be hiding in, whats going on? nothing major, 5x power diagnostic II, some shield boosters etc

Tripoli	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:38:00 - [181] The following skills appear on the market, but as far as I know are not obtainable. (Yes I know that some of these have been listed on the market for a long time.) CFO Training Capital Energy Emission Systems Capital Shield Emission Systems Capital Shield Operation Mining Upgrades Wing Command Capital Remote Armor Repair Systems Astronautic Engineering Biology Genetic Engineering Gunnery Interfaces Jump Portal Generation DED Connections Also, 4 new skills were mentioned for mining, where are they? ---
Tommy TenKreds	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:39:00 - [182] Originally by: Vistem I can read everything fine. Set font to wide if you want. Or larger if you want. And shut up whether you want to or not. lol You're not the boss of me. Font sucks. More user choice = Good.
Owain Glyndwr	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:40:00 - [183] I get The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. When i try and download the patch by auto update on the log in screen, When i try to log on the update is at 1%
Andrymeda	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:41:00 - [184] Sorry about not seeing this thread sooner. Here is a thread about a minor UI bug .
Linavin	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:43:00 - [185] Originally by: Grez The drone interface doesn't apear when you undock sometimes, you have to jump through a gate to get it to apear. I don't need to actually jump to get it, just warping to a gate works for me
Wolfgang Jager	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:43:00 - [186] Edited by: Wolfgang Jager on 16/12/2005 06:43:53 While I like it overall and am excited by many of the changes, I have a few gripes. The new font - like many I find the new font is blurry and hard to read, even on a 17" monitor playing fullscreen. I'll live with it if I have to, but the old one worked and looked fine. Loot Can/Jett Can flagging - I am sorry that I missed the debate on this before it went live. I can only see this system as it currently stands as a nuisance and mistake. It provides marginal benefit to miners/those hunting macro'ers...yet at the same time it vastly inconveniences many others and allows for "ambushing" new players and making their early experiences with the game very bad. I have already seen, in less than 2 hours of the new system, players in battlecruisers/battlships leaving cans named "free loot" and "starter stuff" outside newbie stations and vaporizing newbs in starter/low level frigs who take stuff. Likewise, those of us who just want to avoid potential ambushes now have to check the tagging on every can we loot - because you didn't add any kind of visual/name clue to them so we could ID "ours". Bad enough I have compete with some more experienced player with a cruiser in a lvl 2 deadspace - but now I have to check every piece of loot to make sure he can't blow me up too? The 'can tagging system desperately needs to have a timer and/or an effective radius added. So after 5-10minutes the can goes to "neutral" or if they go 100km away from it (200km - whatever).
Medicine	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:44:00 - [187] What about the mining drones? I lost the half of my drone bays. Now I can command just 5 drones (before rmr it was 8). But the mining yield of the mining drones isn't changed? And this isn't a pure nerf?
Dengrin	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:45:00 - [188] I cannot see the Asteroid Belt upside down triangles symbols in open space regardless of whether I have Asteroid Belts showing in my overview or not. I can see the symbols of stargates, stations and everything else I have on my overview but not Asteroid Belts. They were there pre-patch. This is a big problem for me as it directly effects how I use my scanner to browse belts. Also, the new font is really difficult to read and seems to get cutoff in my chat window no matter what setting I have on it.
anti depressant	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:46:00 - [189] in response to mining drone nerf... drone interfacing skill, right click, show info 20% extra damage on drones, and 20% mining drone bonus?
Ulysses Flynn	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:46:00 - [190] The font is pretty bad, but even worse... I CANT SEE ANYTHING IN MY CHAT BOX! OH NOES! Err..sorry about that...anyway I type things and I can see what I entered but then I press enter and nothing appears in my chat box. I don't see anything that anyone else has written either. Help please! Eve is no fun without my friends

Venda Karn	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:47:00 - [191] Have to add my voice to the font issue. I strongly dislike the new font. The previous font was fine. I suspect it being changed had something to do with supporting unicode? The folks who make a major font change should consult with people who select type for a living. Some fonts are not easy to read for extended periods of time. The RMR font is a example of one that is difficult to focus on. I am not even sure what it is about the chosen font that is difficult and awkward. But regardless my eyes do not lie. Why not use Georgia or Verdana? I (like I imagine many players do) spend a vast amount of my time in Eve reading. It should be the most comfortable part of the experience, no exceptions. Thank you, Side note: I have adjusted in game font options, and display options within reason, with little to no desireable impact.
Elin Eliasson	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:48:00 - [192] The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. This is what I get when trying too Patch my client
Locke DieDrake	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:48:00 - [193] I'll add mine. OVERVIEW- the overview no longer has settings that apply directly to NPC rats. You can add or remove them manualy, but you can't save the settings and you can't turn "NPC RATS" on in the overview settings. You missed something. Also, I really like the grouping for the overview settings modul. Nice. Also, reguarding chat windows. If you guys get that glitch where you only have a few letters or words across or going down, resize the window (EACH TAB) manualy and it goes away. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Evasius	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:50:00 - [194] Anyone having problems with a plain black screen? I can hear the sound and music of being in the game, but the screen is completely black...
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:50:00 - [195] Originally by: MOOstradamus Edited by: MOOstradamus on 16/12/2005 06:36:56 Question: Where in the Patchnotes does it mention that we will no longer be able to build Freighters or Dreadnoughts using regular Factories ?? Answer: Oh that's right, NOWHERE !! Just confirmed this one for myself. Regular NPC station factory won't let me build Freighters. I get this message after selecting to Use Assemblyline: "The activity is supported, but the end product type is not supported for this activity." This had better be a bug. ---
Ms Dakota	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:51:00 - [196] Edited by: Ms Dakota on 16/12/2005 06:53:22 Font suxs. I'm not sure why CCP feels the need to change the font everytime they do some type of major patch but it gets annoying and to the person that is picking the font you should die a slow and painful death. It makes it feel like a job to read that font. Want I would like is allow us to PICK the font we can use for the chat box you can have the font everywhere else look like it is but if I have to read tons of typing. How about just switch to a standard FONT like um times new roman or something.
anti depressant	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:53:00 - [197] Edited by: anti depressant on 16/12/2005 06:53:51 i used to be able to read things in eve without making it font size 999. fix font after u find the items that dissapear from factories and condor ship holds. whiskey tango foxtrot=wtf in nato call names yay
Medicine	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:54:00 - [198] Checking Hammerhead: the damage gained from 9 to 12 Checking Mining Drone I: mining yield is 15 . just like before rmr...
Methvin Talner	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:55:00 - [199] I trained up the new drone skills (sharpshooting, navigation, durability), but for each lvl I train, I don't see the stats on my drones changing. Not sure if this is actually something big to be worried about, but it would help with tactics if the drone attributes reflected my skill levels.
anti depressant	Posted - 2005.12.16 06:56:00 - [200] on mining drones again: i dont think your skill will update the damage when u right click/info a drone. why dont u go mining with 1 drone and no laser, and see if the skill is boosting mining ore amount or not.

thesleeper	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:00:00 - [201] Ok, I for one actually think the font itself is pretty cool. The only problem with it is that it's too narrow. If you were to widen the characters a little it would make it more readable. When there is a lot of the text it becomes a strain to read. I say keep the font similar, as its a good sci-fi font and I think fits perfectly in with the game, just make it wider and more readable, perhaps also increase the height only slightly. Other than that, Im loving it. The new charater sheets etc with the outlook style panes are a pleasure to use as opposed to the old tab system. - the sleeper service -
Omber Zombie	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:02:00 - [202] for those not in the know on drones: the skills are in effect, the stats on the actual drone do not change. ---------------------- Originally by: Seleene I maintain that OZ is evil and have nothing further to add.
Katrine Bei	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:05:00 - [203] Getting size/checksum error when installing downloaded patch...it appairs when its patching the logserver.exe file... Does this mean i have to download the fully patched game again?! had to do that last patch deployment to because of the same error
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:06:00 - [204] Disabling audio caused the game to lock up.
Moorhdath	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:07:00 - [205] Edited by: Moorhdath on 16/12/2005 07:08:30 Im experiencing graphic hickups. The game stops for a second, then continues. The fps monitor dips to 0 for the duration. Nvidia 81.85 drivers Athlon64 X2 3800 Windows xp sp2. This came with rmr.
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:10:00 - [206] Edited by: Jennai on 16/12/2005 07:14:46 font is terrible. why can't we have an option to use the old one? stuck on black screen after undocking in Noghere, with 15 people in local. had to relog to fix it.
Binek	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:11:00 - [207] For all the time they spent on getting the game ready( 30 plus hours) It is sure laggyy So far I am not impressed and think it is comparable with sony except sony doesn't take 30 plus hours to patch.By the way how can you say it is free when you are already paying top dollar to play this game?
Scrammer	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:11:00 - [208] Edited by: Scrammer on 16/12/2005 07:15:00 My mini-bug list: ► If you start targetting something, holding control and left clicking doesn't stop targeting like the patch notes says it should do ► Gang window doesn't update data unless you collapse-uncollapse it ► Minimizing than restoring the chat window sometimes leaves the window in the middle of the chatlog. Resetting a chat window option seems the only way to clear it ► Buddies show offline when online ► Every 3 minutes my game freezes for about 2 seconds while everything catches up, not sure if this is due to lag or graphics issues. This never happened pre-patch ► The skillpoints data shown on an actively training skill drop below the table borders (example: Linkage) ► Lastly, the new font is too narrow and too tall. I can't see where decimal points are supposed to go when looking at percentages and data totals in item info boxes As for bugs people have already posted, these are two I found to work fine: - Copy and paste from chat text works fine for me - Reload all also works fine ____________________ - Perception is everything
5thRider Kaos	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:13:00 - [209] Enough people complained about the crappy font during testing and you didn't listen and this is the result.8 more (so far) pages of people telling you again. Listen this time?
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:18:00 - [210] I tried to test a bit to see when and where my GPU temperature rises to max heat levels. When docked in station my GPU temp rises to abnormal high temperature which it did not do before RMR, when I slect to view the map, temperature stays at normal lvl, about 50 degrees Celcius, also in space my GPU temp remains steady at 50 Celcius. When docked In station without the map open it rises to 90 degrees Celcius which is simply to much. What could cause this change I wonder, I did not have this problem previously, so I hope there will be some kind of fix soon, since software affecting my hardware in a bad way is not something Iam very happy with.

Pytria Le'Danness	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:20:00 - [211] It's not really a bug, but confusing. When trying to start a manufacturing job in a station in the same solar system without the right skills, I get the message "Your skill level only allows you to issue You are too many jumps away from the installation. You are 0 jumps away but you can only remotely manage over -1 jumps." I can understand that from a programmers POV, but changing the text so it says "only at the same station" or something would be easier to understand. Besides, when loading the facilities it loads everyone in the region. If you selected it according to skills first some unneccessary traffic would be avoided - I cannot judge how much DB performance would influence the equation though. While the new font seems to be sharper than the old one, its tracking (the space between the letters) is too small and the characters flow into another on my 19" TFT, running EVE windowed at 1024 on a 1280 Windows resolution. Setting it to "Wide" increased letter width, but tracking stayed the same. I'd like the settings to influence that value. I'll see how things appear on the CRT later. Lastly, the 50m¦ drone bay on my Thorax is teh hurt . Yes, I know that is the intent, I still don't like it
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:22:00 - [212] ... and the alignment of the text in the chat windows STILL isn't fixed. How can you manage to put 39 new ships in and not fix something like that? * me/amazed *
Shugo Kazuma	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:22:00 - [213] Ok, let me begin by saying that the font isn't as terrible as some people are making it out to be. Howevere I think the OLD font was supperior. I realise that as an international game, we require the text support for international languages. However, I think you should give people the option between the unicode font and the cold war font. As nice as unicode is, I don't understand any of the languages that unicode would need, and therefore, even if they came out perfectly as unicode, I wouldn't understand them any better than if they were garbled on the old font. Set the client default to the unicode font, but have the option of using the old font. This would IMO make a lot of people happy while still retainning unicode support. As something for the future, I would love to have the option of using fonts located on your computer. This would allow people to adjust the font to their personal readability if they dislike the fonts that come with the game.
Korpen	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:28:00 - [214] Ship showing a 5 % shield damage when undocking Cant rightclick in hangar and get open cargohold (and the other tings in that menu) station animation set to off
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:29:00 - [215] Edited by: Jennai on 16/12/2005 07:32:58 it is STILL possible to get the chat stuck in bold/underline mode by linking too much stuff in one line. this has beem broken since cold war. can't drag things from assets window into chat.
Korpen	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:29:00 - [216] and fonts are terible im sorry to say :(
Solan	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:29:00 - [217] When I go through each laser rather quickly and switch to a different crystal it only actually switches half of them. Every other laser simply goes from the old crystal to no crystal at all. The other half of the lasers switch from the old crystal to a new one. -Solan
Scrammer	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:30:00 - [218] Originally by: Basileus ... and the alignment of the text in the chat windows STILL isn't fixed. How can you manage to put 39 new ships in and not fix something like that? * me/amazed * So easy to criticize when you're getting free content patches, isn't it? CCP devs have barely had any sleep getting this patch out, have been working their * off, and put a lot of thought into this new patch you're getting, which is absolutely free**. There are many bugs. They can't get it perfect. I'd like to see you do better. ____________________ - Perception is everything
SRAAM	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:43:00 - [219] Lost my raven due to the massive lag doing GE 4. FPS suddenly drop to zero when I drop my drones. this somehow taxed my computer very heavily on memory that windows XP low memory message started appearing on my computer screen! Basically got stuck and had to do a reboot of the system and by the time i relogged, i was in the egg. The only other program i was running at the same time was MSN. This patch is so much more memory intensive then before. Could this be attributed to a memory buffer overflow in the code that is causing my computer to run out of memory
Alaris	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:44:00 - [220] I don't think I need to say anything about the font... its all been said already, bring back the old one (or give us the choice). /me isn't working like it used to .. the * is after your character's name, not before like it should be. Probably been mentioned, but worth mentioning again. Probably a ton more to come...

Harry MacDougal	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:44:00 - [221] Auto-patch isn't working for me. I'm trying to remember how to manually patch
KHEN	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:46:00 - [222] Originally by: Alaris I don't think I need to say anything about the font... its all been said already, bring back the old one (or give us the choice). /me isn't working like it used to .. the * is after your character's name, not before like it should be. Probably been mentioned, but worth mentioning again. Probably a ton more to come...
Necrosmith	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:46:00 - [223] Have to agree, the font is aweful. If they don't address it, I will have to cancel my account. I've tweaked it and tried different resolutions, but it gives me a headache. Also, my fps is about a tenth, as in 1/10 of what it was. I just finished a battle where my fps dipped to 3 fps when before it was averaging 30 prepatch. Hope they address these issues soon cause I love this game.
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:49:00 - [224] theres a problem with the auto patch, it gets to 2% or so and then say's the patch has downloaded and can not be verified
Kinderschokolade	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:51:00 - [225] Well, if that font will stay, I will leave. The game is nearly unplayable now and I don¦t want to get headache every day because of playing EVE.
Trepkos	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:52:00 - [226] I dont understand, with every new expansion it seems that the development wants to play around with new fonts, sizes, chat interface changes etc. I dont understand why we can not just stick to one chat interface, I mean the cold war expansion wasnt that bad of a change, but I believe my pupils are bleeding from trying to read the text appearing upon my screen with red moon rising. Another rant, that I dont know if was addressed in this expansion but the fact that I dont like seeing blank portraits popping up when they talk, eventhough their portrait is loaded on the side bar. I have to click the picture by their message to get their portrait to pop up any time after that message. So seriously, could we chill out on changing the fonts and chat interface, or atleast put them back to a happy state they were before the cold war edition patch was released. /rant off --------
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:56:00 - [227] "Auto-patch isn't working for me. I'm trying to remember how to manually patch" Download and run the patch file from EVE Patches section of this web site... the patch should find the game folder and do everything automatically when you run it ^^
Carniflex	Posted - 2005.12.16 07:57:00 - [228] I'm having a major problem with new font on laptop. 15,4'' @ 1280x800. I can read chat if I try hard (making font big and so on) but item names, menus, booksmarks and all other info is just a radom collection of dots for me. On CRT monitor and another computer I can read menus and info thou, it's still a bit hard. At current state of that font I am unable to play on my main computer (laptop). Carniflex
Spokie	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:00:00 - [229] Edited by: Spokie on 16/12/2005 08:01:08 Major problem with Capital ship construction Carriers and Freighters cannot be built in NPC stations. Please say this is a bug and not a "feature"!!!!
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:04:00 - [230] Originally by: anti depressant condor condor condor condor condor anyone else flying a condor before patch? all of the items inside my condor dissapeared after the patch. i looked and looked and looked in assets,i have no other ships they could be hiding in, whats going on? nothing major, 5x power diagnostic II, some shield boosters etc I have a Condor, but I had not items in the cargo to verify what you say. I do know that it got an overhaul with this patch... did you notice you have an extra Hi-slot now? And it's faster still than it was already. I d/l'd and installed the patch without problems. I only briefly logged in to start another skill; the previous one had finished exactly on time during DT. No problems whatsoever with the font. I can verify the "offline indicator" bug. Can ppl with issues on the font perhaps post some screenshots? Because I really don't see what the problem is (19" @ 1280x1024). -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...

JeanMichaelShade	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:06:00 - [231] Only found a couple things 1. Overview does not refresh all the time/ gang window you need to refresh. 2. Some buddies show offline when online. Other than those It's working perfectly. Good job guys.
Alaris	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:08:00 - [232] The problem with posting screenshots of the font is its not going to look the same as what we're actually seeing. Between people's actual vision and how they perceive it, the type of monitor they have (CRT/LCD), said monitor's specs (whats its native resolution is, dot pitch), etc.. it would be very hard to provide "solid evidence" that everyone could look at it say "Hey ok I see what they're talking about."
Augustine Hippo	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:08:00 - [233] Sorry if these were posted already. I don't have time to wade through all the posts... I just had a graphics glitch. I run window mode (1280X1024 desktop, 1024X768 EVE) typically and just now, I left a station and there were graphics from the inside of the station hanging out in space. I could tell they were station graphics because they looked like the little boxy windows and I could see where the corners were. Switching to and from fullscreen fixed the glitch and removed the ghost images. Also, the Address book listing whether a person is online or offline is permanently red it appears.
Tripoli	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:08:00 - [234] Edited by: Tripoli on 16/12/2005 08:08:08 Thread is 9 pages long now, but only shows as 7. Edit: Well....it was til I posted this anyways. ---
Antic	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:10:00 - [235] add an option of wich font to use. Currently the new font are better at at some resolutions than the old, and totaly unreadable at others where the old one were doing ok. So to please everyone more options are needed for fonts.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:11:00 - [236] captial ship construction now requires a captial ship POS module i think (its like a seperate facility for building capital ships) so youre alliance is going to have to deploy and build one before youre capital ships can be built Font = no comment (its here to stay) CPU temperatues when docking (of some concern heads up to 65C over the normal 40C) whats the go there ? Otherwise the new unfixed chat bugs are there still to a degree = guess we wait for next patch as they are prolly low priority Divisional wallets missing (expected that though hoping it wasnt) Otherwise apart from lag and fps im just hauling some stuff around low risk in high sec.
Calenth	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:16:00 - [237] just larger font sizes generally would be nice. Even under the old fonts i'd end up with eyestrain sometimes.
Seleene	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:25:00 - [238] I want confirmation on if this is a BUG or a FEATURE. - The REAL Eve Political Map!
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:29:00 - [239] Originally by: Scrammer Originally by: Basileus ... and the alignment of the text in the chat windows STILL isn't fixed. How can you manage to put 39 new ships in and not fix something like that? * me/amazed * So easy to criticize when you're getting free content patches, isn't it? CCP devs have barely had any sleep getting this patch out, have been working their * off, and put a lot of thought into this new patch you're getting, which is absolutely free**. There are many bugs. They can't get it perfect. I'd like to see you do better. Free? Bloody free? I pay good money for this game every month. Money I've worked hard for too. That's how bloody free it is. Not all of us have our mommy pay for this game you know!
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:31:00 - [240] you get an agression timer for just locking npc's before even opening fire

Khatred	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:33:00 - [241] Edited by: Khatred on 16/12/2005 08:33:33 It indeed appears that when docked on 2 accounts on the same computer my temperature now rises @ 73C. Before it was 45. Edit: CPU temperature that is. _________________________________________ I win Eve, I am better than you, I know everything, you know nothing, I rock, you blow.
Yontir Nereis	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:35:00 - [242] The thing that annoys me most is the fact that you get agression flags from killing rats. Even worse, you get an agression flag when a rat attacks you. So, if you're peacefully mining in a .8 sector and get attacked by insignificant nobodies, you get an agression flag and any player can kill you without repercussions. Bug or feature?
Deemer Reeves	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:38:00 - [243] I appear to have lost my Mass Production skill lvl 5. now only showing as trained to lvl 4. definatly had it as I was using 5 factorys flat out to produce Ammo etc, and when I looked at new Industry skills "WoOt", new Advanced Mass Production skill. But now i gotta train mass prod to lvl 5 AGAIN, taking 9 days+, before i can use it. please please can I have it back. Otherwise, sweet patch, screens load noticably faster, and If you change the font setting in the graphics page theyre great :) We may all rock the boat from time to time, but only a real idiot tries to chop a hole in the bottom.
Vincent Rainbow	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:39:00 - [244] Edited by: Vincent Rainbow on 16/12/2005 08:43:35 not sure if this has been mentioned yet.... Research facilities do not show you a quote, then sting you for 2m+ when installing blueprints. - edit - they do its just corrupted and difficult to see because the windows go into random positions. Also, you can go through the whole palaver of trying to install a blueprint, only to be told at the end that it is a copy so you can't.
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:40:00 - [245] Originally by: Deemer Reeves I appear to have lost my Mass Production skill lvl 5. now only showing as trained to lvl 4. definatly had it as I was using 5 factorys flat out to produce Ammo etc, and when I looked at new Industry skills "WoOt", new Advanced Mass Production skill. But now i gotta train mass prod to lvl 5 AGAIN, taking 9 days+, before i can use it. please please can I have it back. Otherwise, sweet patch, screens load noticably faster, and If you change the font setting in the graphics page theyre great :) 5 factories = mass production 4.
BAteh	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:52:00 - [246] 1. dronespace is halved, drone firepower is doubled... but no fix for the mining drones?? 2. research on left button cross station.. ok, nice, but dont put a research button on every station on the right panel if there isnt any! very confusing. happy to see game back online though!
Luarvique Luarvique	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:55:00 - [247] Is it just me or cap recharge during warp works not the same way as before? Warping shuttle on autopilot through a large (150AU+) system took like 15 warps.
Deemer Reeves	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:56:00 - [248] Originally by: Gavin Kineli Originally by: Deemer Reeves I appear to have lost my Mass Production skill lvl 5. now only showing as trained to lvl 4. definatly had it as I was using 5 factorys flat out to produce Ammo etc, and when I looked at new Industry skills "WoOt", new Advanced Mass Production skill. But now i gotta train mass prod to lvl 5 AGAIN, taking 9 days+, before i can use it. please please can I have it back. Otherwise, sweet patch, screens load noticably faster, and If you change the font setting in the graphics page theyre great :) 5 factories = mass production 4. was sure I had that bugger to lvl 5 We may all rock the boat from time to time, but only a real idiot tries to chop a hole in the bottom.
Tana Pleiades	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:56:00 - [249] Cant patch Tells me checksum is invalid. Tried both the auto patch and manual.
Traxman	Posted - 2005.12.16 08:56:00 - [250] Regarding fonts - yes they sucks big time, got problems to focus after 1-2h so again, PLEASE as i posted last patch with same problem then, let US decide what font we want to use, more settings so WE can decide how WE want it, some ppl run on small screens with low/high res, some run with big screens and with high/low res, you cant cover all that with your font. We pay for this game, but gee, cant we decide what font we work best with ? One font hardly covers all ppls needs. And, fix the Freighter buildings in empire..

Toutaku	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:01:00 - [251] My issues with RMR. 1. So much lag and FPS drops Everytime i launch drones, change font sizes, right-click stuff, fight rats, i get lag and my fps drops to 6 and below. This never happened in cold war unless the server was about to die again. 2. Chat doesnt display right. The messages seem to want to only display on the left side of the window. Kind of like having the borders messed up. Lag is the biggest problem next is the FPS drop. I hope it gets better in the days to come.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:13:00 - [252] The font is not good. On my LCD at 1280x1024 it didn't give me a headache but it's unclear. The game feels a bit laggy but that was 8am UK time so probably lots of people playing with it. Didn't manage to do anything else. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Rolf Skode	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:19:00 - [253] Agreed, need old font back or atleast old font back as alternative choice.
Crayathan	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:30:00 - [254] Originally by: Tana Pleiades Cant patch Tells me checksum is invalid. Tried both the auto patch and manual. This is not an rmr problem. You need to go to the known issues forum section Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil
Marcus Starr	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:30:00 - [255] I'll add my 2 cents on the font issue since that's all I really have a problem with. The font characters themselves are pretty good. The kerning (selective letterspacing) and tracking (overall letterspacing) are the big problems from my perspective. Something that I mentioned when I saw it on Singularity. I suggest hiring a typographer or graphic designer with type background to help you with this issue. Or if you already have one, let this be a learning experience. Now a few people seem to be fine with the new font, but alot are having trouble discerning the characters. Isn't there some moderately easy implementation to let people modify text options such as letterspacing and size (not just small, normal, large)? Anyway, good job on RMR overall CCP. Hope you can find some way to sort this. After all, the text is the primary means of getting the information that players need and if they're having a hard time, the game isn't as fun if at all.
Peekster	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:32:00 - [256] I cant seem to log as the auto patch doesnt seem to work, I also can not see the patch on the list on the site. I am a very new member please advise. Thanks in advanve
Selic	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:32:00 - [257] Has anyone stopped to consider the number of pods that will be lost due to this new horrid font, when those ransoms don't show up quickly enough or incorrect ransoms are paid? (User is trying to decipher ransom or misread the ransom amount) I must also agree with the endless posts here regarding the font. It's not readable at a quick glance. If you stare at the text for a bit, yes, it's perfectly legible. But I don't want to spend (what seems like) 70% of my time trying to read this new font. :(
Alex Harumichi	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:35:00 - [258] New stacking formula coding logic (bonuses and negatives on same stack, with bonuses checked first and stacking penalty applied to whole stack) completely breaks sensor damps and tracking disrupters. Gallete and Amarr EW ships are useless until this is fixed. See this thread for details and discussion.
Crayathan	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:35:00 - [259] Originally by: Peekster I cant seem to log as the auto patch doesnt seem to work, I also can not see the patch on the list on the site. I am a very new member please advise. Thanks in advanve http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/evepatch3582-3796.exe Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:39:00 - [260] I get CTD at the character screen, sounds like only missing more problems anyway I had 4 days left on my skill when deployment started, think that was a bit optimistic? __________________________________________________

Loki	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:45:00 - [261] Sensor damp / tracking disruptor problems 1. The new stacking penalty prevents more than 4 modules having any real affect. I havent seen the exact percentage reduction per extra module as yet but for the sake of this explanation i will asign some values. Slot 1: 100% effect (as listed values) Slot 2: 50% effect (a half of listed values) Slot 3: 30% effect (a third of listed values) Slot 4: 20% effect (a fifth of listed values) Beyond this the effect gets negligable, and pointless to use. 2. The fact that sensor boosters and dampers affect the same stats (targeting range and signature resolution) 3. The fact that the new stacking penalties are graded and sorted by the effect they have, from higest modifier to lowest. Sensor boosters are a higher multiplier (1.6x) than damps (0.52x) and consequently get priority on slot 1 then 2 and so on. 4. The fact that a sensor booster has further positive effects on a ship than just neutralizing a specific type of EW. unlike ECM / ECCM sensor boosters are usefull when there is no ew in use, meaning that they will be (and are) much more widespread than eccm. What is the result of this? if the target ship has no sensor boosters, 4 dampers will work as usuall (the first receiving the full modifier (slot 1), the second a reduced modifier (slot 2), and so on. if the target ship has one booster, then only 3 dampers will have any effect (due to them both effecting the same stat and only 4 effective slots being available per stat). Also, the first damper will be in slot 2 and only providing half the listed bonus due to the grading system of highest to lowest, the booster would occupy slot1 with no reduced effects). Damper 2 and 3 will be the equivilent of 3 and 4 in a no booster setup. 2 booster setups will only allow a maximum of 2 dampers to effect the target, and due to grading the boosters will be in slot 1 and 2 (as listed bonus and half bonus), while the damps will be in slots 3 and 4 basically giving the 2 boosters 150% of listed bonus vs the 2 damps providing only 50% of listed bonus for using the same number of modules. and so it continues upto 4 boosters, when damps will have no real effect at all because all 4 slots have been used. Solution? Positive and negative effects need to stack seperately, probably with the positive values applied to base ship stat, and then the stacked modifier for negative effects applied after. Some tweaking of the damp / boost amount might be needed to account for the change. This will mean that boosters are an effective counter to damps and at the same time, ensure that damps are actually useable. Loki ----------------------------------------------- "The Saracen"
Stephan Scarsdale	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:49:00 - [262] My opinions on the new font: - I don't like it but from the comments I read I was expecting something worst. On the chat I don't mind it too much (I use it small and with medium spacing) but I still liked the previous one better and the original one more than the previous version. - What instead I really dislike is the capitalized version of the font. In particular on the right click menu and on the titles of the windows. -HRose / Abalieno cesspit.net
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:53:00 - [263] I dont know if this is the correct thread for this, but here goes. The skill "mining upgrades" cannot be found. Is there a reason for this not beeing seeded by NPCs, or is it a glitch? -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
serena lunt	Posted - 2005.12.16 09:59:00 - [264] damage modules ect do not show % increases when fitted.
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:05:00 - [265] Can we have the old font back? ------------------------------------------------- Contribute to the buy Hohenheim a carrier fund in game now!
babyblue	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:07:00 - [266] Edited by: babyblue on 16/12/2005 10:08:05 I'm not usually one to complain about anything (haha!), but I have to agree with previous posters. I just fired up Eve to see what gives and the font is bloody awful. I cannot believe anyone with eyesight could have chosen it over any of the myriad available alternatives. btw: I run at 1280x1024, not 2048x2048 . Oh, and the new character sheet is excellent .
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:07:00 - [267] people on my buddy list appear offline when infact they are'nt. Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Commander Zipsu	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:09:00 - [268] when rmr came... i puted my password into eve client and hit connect. It was downloading RMR... but only some % and then this error appeared 'The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again.' this comes all the time... can someone give me the link for manual download?
Pedro Blackburn	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:09:00 - [269] Issue with researching non-researched BPOs from Corp hangars It appears that if you try and research a previously non-researched BPO (one that is still packaged) that is in a corp hangar, you need a different set of permissions than if the BPO has been previously researched. The error reads something along the line of that you need 'take' permissions - the hangar is read only but I can still research and use non-packaged BPOs normally. I tried this with a number of Corp BPOs that I have access to and cannot research 'packaged' BPOs. Possibly some kind of bug? Other than that, like the patch. Cheers
Adam Reed	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:10:00 - [270] Sorry that this is a bit rubbish, and not quite as obsessive as complaining about the new font (it's a font!), but.......the item database on this website hasn't been updated yet - any idea when it might be? ------------- "I don't mean to sound cruel or harsh, but I am, so that's how it comes out."

Taj Zela	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:10:00 - [271] Font
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:11:00 - [272] Originally by: Commander Zipsu when rmr came... i puted my password into eve client and hit connect. It was downloading RMR... but only some % and then this error appeared 'The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again.' this comes all the time... can someone give me the link for manual download? its not that hard to find jesus, look at the EVEpatches on the very LHS of this very website. (or here) Author of "The Apoc Guide"
noc D	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:15:00 - [273] Edited by: noc D on 16/12/2005 10:15:27 i dont like cloacking-decloacking visual and sound effects. old effects was wonderful. maby cloacking decloacking visual effects better for graphic cards now. i dont know. but i'm totaly sure about jumping and decloacking sound effects are cheper now. what was wrong with old effects?
Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:15:00 - [274] Im having issues downloading the patch, auto-patch style. Every time i click connect, i'm getting an information window telling me: Quote: The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. Apologies if this has already been asked, but 10 pages of "Congrats CCP!" is alot to wade through when youve just woken up......
thesleeper	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:17:00 - [275] Ok, on my comments about the fonts earlier (them not being wide enough and hard to read), I just saw the new "font options" in the Options menu. You can set the font width to "wide". LOL, my bad. I do think though the "wide" option should be default as the normal and narrow options are a bit tough. Anyway, this made all the difference and I am now very happy with the font. I think it is readable and kickass. I dont know why people are complaining so much about the font, esspecially considering you can change this option... - the sleeper service -
JoKane	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:18:00 - [276] GIVES US THE OLD FONT BACK! It is impossible to see anything if you want to have the text size at the smallest option so you actually could fit some text in the box and not haveing to scroll up and down all the time. Alot of ppl complained about the font and still it hit TQ, really bad move. If CCP is so much in love with their new font at least make a option in the graphics menu or something so those who dont like it could choose the old one.
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:19:00 - [277] Originally by: Commander Zipsu can someone give me the link for manual download? Not to flame, but... are you kidding me? In the time it took you to post this reply, you could have looked it up yourself and installed it. It's right here. -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:20:00 - [278] Originally by: thesleeper I dont know why people are complaining so much about the font, esspecially considering you can change this option... Because most, like you, start to scream before they are slapped? -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
Nela Foxx	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:25:00 - [279] Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Can we have the old font back? What he said.
rig0r	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:25:00 - [280] Noticed that the overview doesn't always update. E.g. when you warp to a gate, and there's another guy also at 15km away from it, it shows as him being 149km away. Closing/opening helps, but then as he approaches the gate it still doesn't refresh properly. Kind of dangerous behaviour :)

thesleeper	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:28:00 - [281] Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: thesleeper I dont know why people are complaining so much about the font, esspecially considering you can change this option... Because most, like you, start to scream before they are slapped? Very very true . Although in my defence, I did say in previous post as well that I liked the new font. But yeah, you are right. - the sleeper service -
Kim Chee	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:30:00 - [282] Just two complaints so far, and a BIG Thank You for the expansion. I love almost all the things I've seen so far, and you devs deserve a few thank you's (and a few beers). Number One Problem... the new font. It hurts. After about half an hour, I can't keep playing, and if I turn the size up too far chat just scrolls too fast to read anyways. I know you wanted to switch to a single UTF-8 font, but please consider migrating the pleasant and easy to read font from Cold War up to a UTF-8 namespace. I'm sure there are tools to allow such splicing of fonts (even though I haven't touched anything like that since the Amiga). Maybe a checkbox in the general options screen to use the new font for those who like it? Number Two Oddity -- Aggression Cooldown. This is just a "that's weird" report. I was attacked by a few rats while mining and killed them off, and noticed I had an "aggression cooldown" time on my screen. Since the rats are already aggressive to me, I'm not sure that really tells me anything... Anyways, great job guys. I love the new refining screen (right-click), and the character info screen layout is very slick too. *Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon*: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:37:00 - [283] Erm...Are you guys really serious with skill prices? I hope this is a bug...Really. Not only it will be hard to get all this money for most players, but I doubt (when they finish training them) they will be able to afford the related module/ship afterwards. I don't even earn 20M a month (sorry, but some people haven't a lot of time to spend on gaming), so I could only afford one or 25 skills per 2 months with current price (exhumer, drones...). Soomebody (Murphy?) has added a 0 to all these prices...whoever he is, pod him. Please, consider revision. Site ICE is coming to EveÖ since 895289 AD Image oversized, please take a look at the forum rules - Laqum
Vehestian	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:42:00 - [284] LOL I happen to like the font. Must be something wrong with meh. The buddies showing offline when actually online is true for me though, as well as modules like armor resists not showing percentage increase if fitted in hangar when you move the cursor over them in Items. Hooah. Other than that everything is uber
Pontus	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:43:00 - [285] Fonts suck they hurt my eyes. FPS is way down i used to have 30fps in station now its like 15 - 17 fps its a little better in space for some reason but still down there aswell.
Brad Stone	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:48:00 - [286] Bugs I've noticed. 1 Buddies already online show with an offline icon 2 Pasting more than 1 item link into a chat window seems to hose the chat window (nobody can post messages into it) - posted 3 linkw, with no text as 1 message both into a public channel and into a provate chat. On both occasions, the chat got hosed. 3 The chat font. (I'm classing this as a bug as it's nigh on impossible to read) PLEASE change it back to the old font. The "digital" font on the ship ccontrol panel is rather nice tho!)
Gridzilla	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:48:00 - [287] New font - not so hot... I really must agree with the people saying that the new font is hard on the eyes. In my case it makes my eyes very tired very quickly and it was not the case with the old font. The new font makes the game a real pain to play. ______ Oveur: God said those 500 Gallente must die
Sybylle	Posted - 2005.12.16 10:54:00 - [288] What would be interesting is the resolution you are using when liking/disliking font...May be significative... 12801024 on a 21" is different than on a 19"... Site ICE is coming to EveÖ since 329080 AD* Image oversized, please take a look at the forum rules - Laqum
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:02:00 - [289] Well, the most serious issue imho seems to be the aggression flagging when you fire on rats or they fire on you. This is the case judging from several forum posts. It would imply that players could fire on agent runners and miners, who off a few rats. This is a bit over the top I reckon. Devs, statement please? Bug? Feature? No opinion?
Eddie Elch	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:07:00 - [290] Can some create a "short list" of bugs and restrictions with RMR? 10 pages is to much to wade through and it would save more duplicate postings... ---------------------------------------------- Life - Don't tell me about Life - Marvin

Krxon Blade	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:07:00 - [291] 1. Thanks for new expansion 2. Please return previous font. Me and many other ppl are having same trouble with new font, and if we can't read we want play. Eyesight is more precious than EVE for me.
Ra Marr	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:11:00 - [292] First of all, congrats CCP with RMR, a great game is just getting better. Few issues this first patch day as was expected Dark side: Twice i was stuck in space and had to reboot after 2 new skills trained to lvl 1 finnished. Lab slots do not give me option of canceling copying job and no "EJECT" option for the bpo¦s Font change for the worse, this many pages of font size complaining sais it all Light Side: Frame rate is better patch was installed without problems in under 30min (fresh install) Tutorial in the beginning to the better for beginners (wish i had that tutorial when i started playing EVE 1 year ago) good job *New skills and addons in RMR adds a new dimention to the whole game play Good work CCP and thanks for the greatest timesink money can buy
Dhannil	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:17:00 - [293] The font... oh gods the font. Please change it back, or allow us to switch. If not does anyone know where the old font was located in the eve-game files? Like a /fonts/ folder or such? To have us manually switch it back using the old verison?
esquimo leviticus	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:17:00 - [294] i agree that there was nearly no where near enough notice about this patch,luckily i had a long skill training, but that was luck and nothing more. The type face is already giving me a headache, PLEASE CAN WE HAVE THE OLD TYPEFACE BACK.
Azur	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:22:00 - [295] Copying BMs out of P&P does work for me but it takes a very long time to update the destination - i.e. minutes.
Libertine Jericho	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:22:00 - [296] Congratz on the succesful deployment of RMR. Few issues though : I had to manually relog 4 times within 20 minutes this morning due to being stuck in a jump between systems, I was running a mission at the time and twice the mission disapeared from my Journal, even though the agent thought I was still running the mission. Anyone in your address book appear offline unless you remove them and add them again after a relog. All Drone Link Augmentations have the same stats, even the T2 version is a T1 according to the info. And suprise suprise but the font is very difficult to read.
Retsudo Itto	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:22:00 - [297] Ok the font aighn't great. But stil lots of new drones to drool over. Some REAL nice changes to sheilds n there skills ( already working out new and more intresting set up for my cerberus) . And to top it off bigger spaffier missiles ( ok they use a litttle cap) but hey bigger explosions can't wait to get my hands on em . with the new ships and extreamly nice bio chracter interface you got to admit CCP are the best well done all. Though could have done without the extra couple of hrs last night you added just to build tension. Had to have a crash team on standby.
Ante	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:23:00 - [298] Can we have the new bloodlines implemented in some way please? There are people out there that bought accounts for them that effectively lost $15.95 thanks to the last minute pull. A great suggestion was made in the General Discussion forum.
Voltex	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:24:00 - [299] Keep the ******* font the way it is dont change it back
Mned Graydroggen	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:25:00 - [300] My first impressions. The Character sheet. In general I can appreciate the intention. The changes do indeed add something. I myself havent found it yet but maybe others like it. My first impressions where : 'fluffy' and 'Supermario land' , with all these big buttons attached to my face. Maybe bring them back under the face, basicaly a mirror of the station interface, would give the sheet in general more tranquility. Be easier to look at. A thing I dont like, is that the Character portret is only visible on the general tab. I liked looking at my face, regardless of what info on my char I was looking for. The new info tabs now however, mostly show a black field. For me as an artist that's like cursing in a church, to be frank :) Would aswell be solved with my suggestion above. The new font. My case. I'm guesing 90% of the ingame communitation is done using fonts. This makes them an essential part of the gaming experience. They make the difference between me pulling an allnighter, or bunking early because my eyes are to tired. Ingame experience. I've tried to meddle some whith the settings, but the font just doesnt work. In capital letters ( like the inspace dropdown menu's ) it is acceptable, though in the chat for instance the 'i' get to close to its neighbours, almost merging. Trying to fix this issue by sizing up and spacing more in setting, didnt improve the chat font, and as a side effect realy screwed the previously ok in space fonts. Imo it's even worst than the last font we had. Our original font ( Release version ) was great. Relaxing to the eye and it totaly fitted the rest of Tranquility grapical/layout wise Thus my question. Can't you guys get someone to fabricate an unicode version of the original font ? ( that was the problem right ) The original font hasn't been beaten by any follow up font yet. Heck, I'm even willing to open another account so you can pay the guy :) All this said, you Devs pulled a big one again . Thank you for yet more possibilities. Im humbled by your dedication. Mned

Virtuality	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:25:00 - [301] Good job people at ccp now i think i'll only be gettin 2 hours sleep a night
Lyra Sy	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:28:00 - [302] I'll try and keep it short and sweet. My biggest problem is that my chat, journal details, and agent convo windows are just black, so I'm limited in what I can currently do ingame. Most everything else in the game seems to work fine for me. I ran logserver and I'm getting a number of exceptions all of the following type: UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 48: character maps to <undefined> I've posted one complete exception description in the thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=262073 Trying to start a factory job from the factory window just seems to lead to a broken popup that won't process its info. Although I've found a work around by r/c bp's and selectly "Manufacture" and going from there. I've cleared my cache before and after the patch (except settings folder). I manually downloaded and installed the patch as soon as it was available thus hoping to beat the crowd doing the auto-update. Now wondering if I should try a full client download and a reinstall.
Lord SoulClaw	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:29:00 - [303] I absolutely Love the new font. I do play at 1200x1024, if people have problems at 1600 and 1900, I guess we have to change it back. I wish we could just select font type and size in game options. Fonts really should not be an issue in a game like this. Otherwise I am very happy, logged on with no problems this morning. Couldnt fit my drones, but apparently those I can fit will work just as well. Happy playing everyone!!
Lyra Sy	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:36:00 - [304] Oh, I've said this before, but it seems ccp didn't listen so it bears repeating. You will never find a font that will please all your players. They play the game at too many diff resolutions for it to ever work. Bite the bullet and add player selectable fonts to the options window for each text catagory you use. For my part the new font isn't too bad. I find myself squinting more though. Especially trying to decipher 5's from 6's and trying to see that tiny little decimal point. The new font is prettier but truth be told, if I had a choice I'd go back to the old font. I run my screen at 1600x1200 and really need something more readable.
Bertie	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:37:00 - [305] Some big problems with production... The 'slots' list doesn't update dynamically nor does it even do so immediately if you close and re-open the screen. This means that you can enter a job into a seemingly free slot but then find you are in a queue - which could be weeks long!! Leading neatly and infuriatingly to... Jobs cannot be cancelled, so if your job does get queued as above you're screwed. And... making this issue even more tricky, slots/threads in factories are not identified in any way (for ex numbering) so if you are installing multiple jobs you cannot easily track which slots/threads you are using. Finally, the blueprint list in the install job sheet is not sorted alphabetically or otherwise, so if you have more than 10 or so bp's in the hangar it's annoying to have to scan to find the one you want. Oh, and one more thing, when because of the issues above you do find your lucrative T2 BPO in a 4 week queue and you can't cancel it, it would appear the GM's can't cancel it either Bye bye income on that print for a while...
Commander Zipsu	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:38:00 - [306] Originally by: Jim Steele Originally by: Commander Zipsu when rmr came... i puted my password into eve client and hit connect. It was downloading RMR... but only some % and then this error appeared 'The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again.' this comes all the time... can someone give me the link for manual download? its not that hard to find jesus, look at the EVEpatches on the very LHS of this very website. (or here) --- but that site has only the old patches... thats the problem im in the forum it doesnt have the new one , even no new client yet.
Caenis	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:40:00 - [307] The new font is absolutely foul. Really, why keep trying to 'fix' something that isn't broken? Please revert, or (best case) make fonts user selectable.
Baske	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:44:00 - [308] Can we have a selection of fonts...Please? (don't have to say why, I think at least 100 players already did )
Jarad Swiftfoot	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:45:00 - [309] New Font... grrrrr... I use 1920x1200 resolution on a 24" widescreen display and after playing around with the widths I either find the font too small or too large. Its just horrible to read on the market... Why do CCP feel the need to modify the original font? If its to allow Unicode, then it just ain't worth it IMHO...
GouldFish	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:46:00 - [310] Originally by: BytZ I cannot transfer bookmarks from my ppl and places to the items bay. Therefore I cannot copy them. Is this a bug? I sure hope so. I guess this is an under the radar way of stopping / slowing down insta's. if so then great job, I hate instas. -------- "Next time some f**** shoots someone and flies down the interstate at 90 mph. Instead of following it with a camera crew, they need to send in an Apache to just crater him" - Malthros Zenobi

GouldFish	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:48:00 - [311] Originally by: BytZ I cannot transfer bookmarks from my ppl and places to the items bay. Therefore I cannot copy them. Is this a bug? I sure hope so. I guess this is an under the radar way of stopping / slowing down insta's. if so then great job, I hate instas. -------- "Next time some f**** shoots someone and flies down the interstate at 90 mph. Instead of following it with a camera crew, they need to send in an Apache to just crater him" - Malthros Zenobi
Ramses OverDark	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:49:00 - [312] Originally by: Owain Glyndwr I get The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. When i try and download the patch by auto update on the log in screen, When i try to log on the update is at 1% I got that too, just keep banging return and repeateddly retrying over a large cup of coffee, it will download 1-5% at a time, but will get there eventually
Dorganth	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:50:00 - [313] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly I tried to test a bit to see when and where my GPU temperature rises to max heat levels. When docked in station my GPU temp rises to abnormal high temperature which it did not do before RMR, when I slect to view the map, temperature stays at normal lvl, about 50 degrees Celcius, also in space my GPU temp remains steady at 50 Celcius. When docked In station without the map open it rises to 90 degrees Celcius which is simply to much. What could cause this change I wonder, I did not have this problem previously, so I hope there will be some kind of fix soon, since software affecting my hardware in a bad way is not something Iam very happy with. I have the same problem.
Ion Shape	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:51:00 - [314] Originally by: Krxon Blade Please return previous font. Me and many other ppl are having same trouble with new font, and if we can't read we want play. Eyesight is more precious than EVE for me. 1. I have to agree - If this font will be the chosen one I have to quit playing EVE My eyes are flooding and hurt. I have tried all possible font modes inside game and no good. My screen res. 1280x1024 on a 19" CTR - even in 1024x768 font no good!! 2. I was out to test this about combat drones new strength because I like to mine alone in secured space in my Covetor and in this I now only have room for 2 medium and 1 small beside 5 t2 mining drones. It might be okay width this small amounts of combat drones for self-protection against rats. Maybe 5 small is the best choice now they seem pretty good. But again why cant we get some more room for drones in a mining ship û just a little more - this will not hurt lag in any possible way just give us more room to choose drone types from and we can then have a mix of 5 combat drones out after we scoop our mining drones inside safety. In this way we also have better possibilities to punished possibly ore-thiefÆs 2m + 1s drones wont hurt them anyway. 3. When testing killing NPC rats out in belts in a secured .7 system I was flagged û got an Aggression Countdown. I have to do some more killing so I can see if this also hurting my security status. I was not shot at when going to gates and my home base tho! 4. I also got in a mysterious way 2 mimater frigs for use at my home base û thank you very mush
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:54:00 - [315] Originally by: Jarad Swiftfoot If its to allow Unicode, then it just ain't worth it IMHO... If it opens up EVE to a player base potential of 1 billion, I'd say (looking from CCP's position) that it is... -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
Irongut	Posted - 2005.12.16 11:56:00 - [316] Originally by: Basileus Originally by: Scrammer Originally by: Basileus ... and the alignment of the text in the chat windows STILL isn't fixed. How can you manage to put 39 new ships in and not fix something like that? * me/amazed * So easy to criticize when you're getting free content patches, isn't it? CCP devs have barely had any sleep getting this patch out, have been working their * off, and put a lot of thought into this new patch you're getting, which is absolutely free**. There are many bugs. They can't get it perfect. I'd like to see you do better. Free? Bloody free? I pay good money for this game every month. Money I've worked hard for too. That's how bloody free it is. Not all of us have our mommy pay for this game you know! Engage your brain before you rant. How much did you pay to play EVE last month? How much did you pay this month? How much will it cost next month? All three costs the same, right? So the patch cost you how much extra? That's right, you are getting the patch for free.
Wulfstan	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:00:00 - [317] Edited by: Wulfstan on 16/12/2005 12:00:43 Guys and gals, I've got to say that it looks like a *****ing job in general. Lots of good stuff, so congratulations on a job well done. However, I do need to add my voice to the list of people very dissatisfied with the new font. I have pretty good vision, and no problems reading anthing else on screen. However your new fonts are really, really hard to read and I have to put my face about 2 inches from the screen to read it. The chat window gives me the choice of 3 sizes: "damn silly", "illegible" and "Mrs. Brady, old lady". Everything else just sits on "12 pt. illegible". Please give us much, much more choice of fonts and sizes. As someone else said earlier, if it comes down to Eve or my eyesight, then Eve will not win, and that would be a damn shame over something as easily fixable as fonts. Edit: erm, overzelous nanny filter there. That word was merely "c-r-a-c-k-i-n-g"!
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:01:00 - [318] CBA reading all of this thread, so this might've been mentioned before; Jump Bug I jumped through, but got stuck on the other side. No matter where I looked the camera reset to the same position. Experienced it on Sisi yesterday as well. Relogging fixed it. p - l - u - r
Alys	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:04:00 - [319] Good news: The most serious problem I've encountered with RMR is the font. Downloaded fast, patches easily, ran without a hiccup. Pleasantly painless compared to previous big upgrades. Bad news: The most serious problem I've encountered with RMR is the FONT... Yes, I've no doubt it's annoying to have page after page of grumbles about it. But darn it we told you again and again and again on the development forum that the font was a mistake and that a storm of complaints like this was exactly what you would get if it ever went onto TQ like this. So forgive me if I don't feel too much guilt about adding to it. CHANGE. THE. FONT. BACK. AGAIN. PLEASE!
Irongut	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:04:00 - [320] Originally by: Commander Zipsu Originally by: Jim Steele Originally by: Commander Zipsu when rmr came... i puted my password into eve client and hit connect. It was downloading RMR... but only some % and then this error appeared 'The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again.' this comes all the time... can someone give me the link for manual download? its not that hard to find jesus, look at the EVEpatches on the very LHS of this very website. (or here) --- but that site has only the old patches... thats the problem im in the forum it doesnt have the new one , even no new client yet. No, it has all the patches. The RMR patch was added about 00:30 GMT last night. Scroll to the bottom of the list and look for the almost 63Mb one...

Jarad Swiftfoot	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:04:00 - [321] Edited by: Jarad Swiftfoot on 16/12/2005 12:04:21 Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: Jarad Swiftfoot If its to allow Unicode, then it just ain't worth it IMHO... If it opens up EVE to a player base potential of 1 billion, I'd say (looking from CCP's position) that it is... I understand they want to enter the Chinese market, so why don't they use their sucky Unicode font there and let us keep our original font here???
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:10:00 - [322] Originally by: Ras Blumin CBA reading all of this thread, so this might've been mentioned before; Jump Bug I jumped through, but got stuck on the other side. No matter where I looked the camera reset to the same position. Experienced it on Sisi yesterday as well. Relogging fixed it. That's a stuck issue...mainly linked to lag or a time-out...
CelticKnight	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:11:00 - [323] Ok... im not flicking though 11 pages of thread.. (can a GM or a ISD summerise whats been said so far at the top of the thread so we dont repeat ourselves? plz. Okay onto my post. Attacking NPCs: When you attack a belt rat etc. you get a 'aggressive' timer.. whats with that? I know someones said it before... but didnt find it anywhere (im NOT searching though 11 pages... ccp wouldve fixed it by then Eris Discordia - Greek Goddess of Chaos and Discord
KHEN	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:11:00 - [324] Sorry to bring this subject here again, but when something is considered as perfect by the wide community of players and that absolutely no complaint is uttered, why changing this thing ? yes it's about the FONTS. for all the rest, RMR rocks, thank you for this FREE content patch ccp !
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:12:00 - [325] When you're on the log-in screen, you switch to SiSi, and the "Server FAQ" button appears. Then, if you switch back to TQ, it doesn't go away.
Pooka	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:21:00 - [326] Who ever is in charge of the font design for CCP....put down the damn booze and get your eyes examined !! Like the notice we got too. Got home from work to set long training only to find out you moved it up a day....sweet! Proud memmber of the 2 Word: p·ca (POO-kuh) [pu:k@] Meaning: p·ca = goblin, sprite, pooka
Shadex De'Marr	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:22:00 - [327] Character Sheet not displaying on any tabs. Second account it is working fine. Hit the refresh button on the window and even minimized it for a bout 15 minutes to see if it would ever load. No dice.
Willo Vasquez	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:24:00 - [328] Experienced a problem with jumping into a system where I appeared to jump in, the system name updated, but nothing updated on the system view or overview, and had to relog to clear that. Also seemed to be having delays in context menu's opening, but that could have been down to the fact that it was 8am GMT, and a lot of people were probably d/ling the patch. Oh, and the font.... argh! 'nuff said.
Corb	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:27:00 - [329] I know you guys are busy, and it maybe to soon to, but please have a look at the FPS problem. I can only get ISDN in my area, but I have had no problems playing Eve for the past year with this service. I get 14 FPS in space now and 7 FPS when opening my hangar.
DarkClown III	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:34:00 - [330] please please pl... chance and/or give more choice of fonts and sizes.

QSquared	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:36:00 - [331] So far my biggest problem is the lag! People seem to think there is a jump problem - this looks like CLASSIC lag to me. now takes minutes for the jump process between systems to happen, leaving a station also takes quite a bit. I've noticed a big FPS drop on my machine - no fun this machien is less then 1 year old and now it's handling like a boat - it's terrible eve is acually affecting my system mouse movements since the patch to a terrible degree. If I am running eveand move around in or our of eve while it's "Thinking" (eg minuts lonbg jump process, minutes long login process, or doing various other things) then I get delayed mouse action, thats truely annoying. and I know I just illuded to it, But OMGWTF - logging in hasn't taken this long or been this buggy since pre-Shiva! PLEASE someone fix the horrible lag problems! ~Q A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! ;-) ~Q (http://www.TheKnightsTemplar.us)
QSquared	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:37:00 - [332] So far my biggest problem is the lag! People seem to think there is a jump problem - this looks like CLASSIC lag to me. now takes minutes for the jump process between systems to happen, leaving a station also takes quite a bit. I've noticed a big FPS drop on my machine - no fun this machien is less then 1 year old and now it's handling like a boat - it's terrible eve is acually affecting my system mouse movements since the patch to a terrible degree. If I am running eveand move around in or our of eve while it's "Thinking" (eg minuts lonbg jump process, minutes long login process, or doing various other things) then I get delayed mouse action, thats truely annoying. and I know I just illuded to it, But OMGWTF - logging in hasn't taken this long or been this buggy since pre-Shiva! PLEASE someone fix the horrible lag problems! ~Q A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! ;-) ~Q (http://www.TheKnightsTemplar.us)
QSquared	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:37:00 - [333] So far my biggest problem is the lag! People seem to think there is a jump problem - this looks like CLASSIC lag to me. now takes minutes for the jump process between systems to happen, leaving a station also takes quite a bit. I've noticed a big FPS drop on my machine - no fun this machien is less then 1 year old and now it's handling like a boat - it's terrible eve is acually affecting my system mouse movements since the patch to a terrible degree. If I am running eveand move around in or our of eve while it's "Thinking" (eg minuts lonbg jump process, minutes long login process, or doing various other things) then I get delayed mouse action, thats truely annoying. and I know I just illuded to it, But OMGWTF - logging in hasn't taken this long or been this buggy since pre-Shiva! PLEASE someone fix the horrible lag problems! ~Q A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! ;-) ~Q (http://www.TheKnightsTemplar.us)
Jester87	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:44:00 - [334] On the charector Training sheet, I cant see the progress Bar that says like 100,000sp/256,000sp thing.. Its covered by the skill under it.. That goes for all of them ;) Even the Skill im currently Training.
Al Thorr	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:49:00 - [335] Nice job so far Ccp . But I have to agree the font issue is a really big issue . ( unlike the font itself) 21" CRT = 1280x 1024 - barely readable without squinting. 17" TFT = 1280x 1024 - Not nice / Painful. Sorry but Im putting my lot in with the - please revert/change the font vote. Regards Al Thorr . I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Al Thorr	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:49:00 - [336] Edited by: Al Thorr on 16/12/2005 12:49:48 Damn double post I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Edge1	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:50:00 - [337] Market in Domain is fubered to me. Go to buy a skill, and when the box comes up for me to actually buy it, the box never loads. :( I think its a serious case of lag, but is never freeing up.
Jamm0	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:50:00 - [338] do not control tab u cant get back :o <img border="0" src="http://www.killboard.net/signature/jamm0.jpg"> If re-installing somthing does not fix your problem, bin it. Nerf Amarr.
Ramrum	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:54:00 - [339] 1 Yes the font actually hurts my eyes after a while. 2 FPS took a bad hit. Ran smooth before RMR. I've seen drops down to 5fps. Also mini freezes and skipping. It's bad enough I dont want to go into battle. 3 Stuck at 44% into industrial, says i cant train because of trial account. Glad i made such a big investment on a skill being a newb 7 days old as I planned on hauling stuff for isk. My first 6 days playing this game were wonderful. Running- P4 1.8ghz 1 gig ram geforce 6800
Surly Bob	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:57:00 - [340] Edited by: Surly Bob on 16/12/2005 12:59:30 My FPS were bad before, but now, they've completely gone to hell. 20-something in hangar and less than 10 in space. Also, when fitting modules to my ship, it takes between 10 and 20 seconds for them to appear in the proper spot and activate. ..and I was really hoping that this patch would finally allow Eve to play at a decent framerate. It's as if this game was programmed with a QBASIC interpreter running on Java. Oh, and my crusader with MWD can now fly in excess of 10,000 m/s. You guys don't need to fix that bug.

Krayl	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:58:00 - [341] I think there's some kind of memory leak... was trying GE4 and EVE froze, brought up task manager and found it using around 500mb of memory. Some damage control modules don't list structure resist bonus. Mining modules are just named meta 1, meta 2, etc, which I assume isn't intentional. Can't see it specifically mentioned in the patch notes, but all of the mission npc bounties are reduced again, they seem a easier as well, even with jamming, though maybe that's just the launcher rof increase. Overview settings are confusing. There's only one checkbox each for pirate npc and mission npc and despite both being checked for me, some things weren't showing up. Rightclicking on the NPCs said 'add deadspace gurista battleship to overview' or something similar... which I certainly can't find a checkbox for. New font is a bit like an involuntary hard mode.
nieo	Posted - 2005.12.16 12:58:00 - [342] Research I can't remove something from research, and I've stacked the BPOs 5 high so now I can only (with my current skills) use 6 slots... that seems to include the 4 items that are stacked... the last of which won;t be out of research for 118 days! please guys, give me a "cancel research" button!
Kane LeBaiton	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:04:00 - [343] Bug: Bought the new drone skills 'Combat Drone Operations', 'Drone Navigation' and 'Drone Sharpshooting'. Training the skills from 0 to 1 doesn't upgrade the skill to 1, and logging out and back in removes the skill from your skill list completely. Bug reported... Kane
SteppJR	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:04:00 - [344] Can't seem to download the patch...keeps saying "The patch has been downloaded but failed varification Please try again. But the progress bar says like 2% done. Where can i find the patch to manualy download it?
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:05:00 - [345] When you log in, everyone seems to be in the chat but the red dot shows them offline. If someone logs in while you¦re online, then they have a green dot as it should be. It seems the client doesnt notice the difference between already online and logging in. ------ BlogÖ
Willo Vasquez	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:08:00 - [346] : BUG : 'Speigel' thermic deflecion 1 says in the description tt it adds thermal resistance, but in attributes and it's effect it actualy effects EM resists.
Katrine Bei	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:19:00 - [347] Originally by: j0sephine "Auto-patch isn't working for me. I'm trying to remember how to manually patch" Download and run the patch file from EVE Patches section of this web site... the patch should find the game folder and do everything automatically when you run it ^^ but then i get the checksum error thingy Do i have to download the whole game again?
Katrine Bei	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:19:00 - [348] Originally by: j0sephine "Auto-patch isn't working for me. I'm trying to remember how to manually patch" Download and run the patch file from EVE Patches section of this web site... the patch should find the game folder and do everything automatically when you run it ^^ but then i get the checksum error thingy Do i have to download the whole game again?
Olixia Castitatis	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:23:00 - [349] ---BUG/ ship error--- The Ragnarok Titan has a listed propulsion strength of 6, while all other Titans have no listed propulsion strength.
Prothos	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:31:00 - [350] Font needs rolled back. using a 19" sony lcd monitore running at 1024x768 and the font is next to imposible to read. This is going to cause tom much eyestrain for players. I can see the headlines now. CPP Sued for eyestrain. J/k but honestly the font need to go.

EquitaS	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:38:00 - [351] Edited by: EquitaS on 16/12/2005 13:42:01 Same problem as above was stuck Jumping tried logging to fix it. Now i cannot enter the game. EDIT* Entering game..... FAILED
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:39:00 - [352] I too have had the overview bug, namely NPC's not appearing. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Wastryll	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:49:00 - [353] Originally by: Idara Also, why can you no longer warp to a planet with a bunch of asteroid belts, select "show asteroid belts" in the overview and actually be able to see where the belts are in respect the the planet? Kinda makes scanning belts from a planet really ******* annoying now. same bug here...asteroid belt symbol not even showing, even outside of scanner....
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:51:00 - [354] chat bug: for me i need to wait 1 minutes by sendind 2 messages... the first one is ok... for the second i can PRESS ENTER 45 times it wont send it
Bhintf	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:54:00 - [355] Dam wtf did they put on the live servers???It¦s laggy, not readable and non playable atm. Jumping is a pain and a relogg is most times needed to go further in the game. The chat is unreadable it hurts in the eyes. I want the cold war back that was a bit better than the crap now. And now I even can¦t enter the game anymore .
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:54:00 - [356] 1. The font is nearly unreadable regardless of what settings I use in the escape menu. 2. The font used when hovering the mouse over items for exact quantities is very hard to read, the numbers are nearly impossible (IE: 8 or 9 both look the same.) 3. Evemail, all personal mail is under the corp tab, and vice versa. 4. Overview does not show rats, rechecked filters, still nothing. Other than the normal lag when everyone is trying to DL the patch and login, this update has gone very smooth. Gratz CCP! ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:55:00 - [357] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 16/12/2005 13:55:42 all u whining guyz better be luckey i can't even login becouse the autopatch is fubar and the manual does not work ( half way patching it says bad file size or somting).... THX CCP FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO CREATE A WORKING PATCH!
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.12.16 13:58:00 - [358] Pre RMR FPS: 45. Post RMR FPS: 15. 2k / 9800 Pro / AMD 2400 / 1GB PC2700 Unreable font. Cannot build. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
EvilSoldier	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:06:00 - [359] Were we not suposed to be able to fit at a pos without losing capacitor or not? Fiting at the pos for me is still taking cap. Also, a hand full of minutes after the servers went up, my pos started offlining things on its own?! Thats not cool...
Exioce	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:15:00 - [360] 10+ minute lag jumping into and out of hub systems. never happened to me before.

EvilDoomer	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:17:00 - [361] AS to my word. I dont care about all the whinners here. I want to thank CCP for all your effords to get us a xmas present. And you did it. Thanks Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB
Mourning Starr	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:21:00 - [362] Edited by: Mourning Starr on 16/12/2005 14:21:40 Originally by: Prothos Font needs rolled back. using a 19" sony lcd monitore running at 1024x768 and the font is next to imposible to read. This is going to cause tom much eyestrain for players. I can see the headlines now. CPP Sued for eyestrain. J/k but honestly the font need to go. I LLLLOVE anything that contains the words 'I can see the headlines now' .. well played that man
Zhull	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:22:00 - [363] Heads up. There is a "FREE Freighters and Dreads?" thread in this forum. Some ppl got their freighters and also the materials back.
Flax Volcanus	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:28:00 - [364] Like others, I can't read the new font, even when set to wide. More importantly, I noticed that increasing the font size to compensate in the chat box only affects the scrolling part of the text window, not the input portion. The latter is still really tiny, like 5-6pt @ 1200x900 in windowed mode on a 1280x1024 LCD. Also, the formatting control bar on the chat window (bold, ital, etc.) seems to be missing. That was helpful, if not essential. The larger issue is that toons from the buddy list are not showing up with the green "online" icon when they are, in fact, online. I was chatting with two buds and their indicator was red in both the chat and addy book windows. They experienced the issue also. Obviously, this has major implications WRT peeps you want to encounter or avoid. Please fix ASAP. Thanks.
THiNSPiRiT	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:28:00 - [365] The fonts won't change because they had to be made to unicode standards. I at first had problems with the fonts, but after adjusting them a bit, I am having no eyestrain. Best to set them to large and wide. Hopefully they'll introduce the ability to change the fonts in the future...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:39:00 - [366] Onlining stuff at a ship maintenance array still eats your cap btw, fix that please. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:41:00 - [367] I can't even DL and apply the patch! Either I get an error saying the patch didn't DL or else I get one sayign it did but failed verification. Rinse repeat ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Dr Liebknecht	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:42:00 - [368] Science & Industry: If possible f÷r two players starting manufacturing (and lab, i presume) jobs to select the same assembly line. The player who is last to hit "ok" gets his job qued, which potentially can be a 30 day wait. There should at least be a warning/info in this kind of situation. Might throw in a feature request at the same time... The "Jobs" status screen should have a column showing the number of runs inserted, and an <i>nfo button for the blueprint inserted.
nieo	Posted - 2005.12.16 14:57:00 - [369] Originally by: Dr Liebknecht Edited by: Dr Liebknecht on 16/12/2005 14:46:24 Science & Industry: If possible f÷r two players starting manufacturing (and lab, i presume) jobs to select the same assembly line. The player who is last to hit "ok" gets his job qued, which potentially can be a 30 day wait. There should at least be a warning/info in this kind of situation. YES YES YES! and if you can't then cancel your order and put it into a free slot... it's a damn kick in the teeth! please change this, add a cancel button!
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:05:00 - [370] I just noticed something in regard to the lagg, or rather chug. When I'm near a gate or a station with a lot of ships and other stuff I got chops and drops in my framerate every second or so. It was really annoying, but then I pressed <tab> to minimize the overview and the choppiness stopped. I had consistently high fps even in crowded areas. I also noticed that if I scale down the overview so it wouldn't display as many ships, that reduces chop as well. It might be an issue with sluggines with sorting all of the entries every second or so.

Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:07:00 - [371] Originally by: The Wizz117 all u whining guyz better be luckey i can't even login becouse the autopatch is fubar and the manual does not work ( half way patching it says bad file size or somting).... THX CCP FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO CREATE A WORKING PATCH! This is rich... You are either a: a) Troll b) nOOb c) Whiner d) All of the above I put my money on d) -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
babylonstew	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:11:00 - [372] funny thing here, i had jump lag, chat lag, autopilot lag etc... in every system i visited except the one system i expected it , namely jita was the smoothest and lag free i have ever seen maybe that system load balance thing has all gone fuber?? The Damsel is no longer in distress. She was rescued enough times that she got the hint and installed better security systems at home. \o/ \o/ \o/
ls pos	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:11:00 - [373] Edited by: ls pos on 16/12/2005 15:13:32 Ctrl+tab removes the overvieuw, but now there's no way to get it back! And the roll-down menus dont work anymore in the Graphics tab..' So now i'm stuck at a gate, cant jump or move anywere heh Pos Edit: Both back to normal when relogged
Retar Jore	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:15:00 - [374] Maps. Looking at the maps and playing with settings managed to lose the overview and other stuff. This never happened with the previous client. And control-tab (viewing mode) isn't working. DONT just try it now, cause I couldn't get back from it easily, and you might be stuck and then quickly dead. Seems the rat tracking settings aren't saving between logs.
Schiklegruber	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:15:00 - [375] Perhaps someone can help me out here: > When firing on npc rats (in encounter missions) I get flagged for 15 minutes. So blasting a pirate, helping Concord now actually makes you a criminal? I can still dock though and dont draw fire from Sentry guns, but still, I hate wearing a big bulls-eye 'cause I'm a rather new player (+/- 1M sp's). > I have to manually ad each type of enemy to overview. Is there a way to make them automatically appear on overview?
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:20:00 - [376] Originally by: Schiklegruber Perhaps someone can help me out here: > When firing on npc rats (in encounter missions) I get flagged for 15 minutes. So blasting a pirate, helping Concord now actually makes you a criminal? I can still dock though and dont draw fire from Sentry guns, but still, I hate wearing a big bulls-eye 'cause I'm a rather new player (+/- 1M sp's). > I have to manually ad each type of enemy to overview. Is there a way to make them automatically appear on overview? You're being flagged as criminal to the NPC corporation of the rats. This is the exact same behavior as in previous patches, but since the UI update, you can now see all of your criminal flags. Nothing has changed, except for that fact that you now see all of your criminal flags. So, no player is free to shoot at you for shooting at rats.
Amthrianius	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:24:00 - [377] Pilots in Space er, yeah right, come one Slightly inaccurate? ---------------
Pastora	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:25:00 - [378] Again fonts were screwed. :( English font in chat is too small! If you play in 1600x1200 resolution, middle sized font is too small and bad for the eyes. If you choose largest possible font size, the letters are too big, and take too much space on the screen. C'mon devs, do you really have 52" monitors or do you never test patches in resolution higher then 1024x768? Is it not that simple just to do it properly once? With every major patch, we are forced to face these problems with fonts. Font is good, but make it a little bit large in chat windows. Please! _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Captain Havoc	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:28:00 - [379] Ctrl+tab does not scroll through the open windows still and now there is a new bug with it, when you remove your UI with it, you can't get it back ----------------------------------------------- "Acta non Verba" http://glf.t83.net/ http://www.eve-link.com/glf/index
Mistress Sanchez	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:28:00 - [380] Chatboxes seems to be on top of everything now. If you want to check the escrow for example then the chat boxes is over the escrow window and you cant see everything. It doesnt work to click the escrow window to get it over the chat boxes like you used to do. Fix please.

Galen D'Or	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:32:00 - [381] Originally by: Ysolde Xen I can't even DL and apply the patch! Either I get an error saying the patch didn't DL or else I get one sayign it did but failed verification. Rinse repeat Had same problem, my solution, went to www.eve.is/patches and downloaded the patchfile using my browser then applied patch manually
Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:40:00 - [382] Bah, the game's hung for me while i was jumping. I was trying to jump into Masalle, the game hung, after a while i logged out, and now i cant log back in........isn't patch-day fun?
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:40:00 - [383] well got to login point (dial up here) and guess what takes 1.9MB and counting just to log in. Im hoping this isnt a return to the previous times where it took forever on the initial log in each time just hoping its a cahce thing that is happening first time round - i know at one point it all the optimisations had it down to 20-30 seconds. Any thouhgs anyone else finding this happening
Clamor	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:43:00 - [384] Originally by: Trader Klyde 4. Overview does not show rats, rechecked filters, still nothing. Seeing something similar. Rats show up as something like "Asteroid Belt whatever whatever", so they don't make the filter. I had to right-click on one and add it to Overview. I wasn't awake enough to check the filter settings to see if I could add "Asteroid Belt whatever whatever" from there. If so, then I've got to take some time to redo my filters.
Uncle Angus	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:44:00 - [385] I've only seen two things so far, but then I haven't even ventured out into space yet (waiting until things seem to be running a bit smoother before I dare!). 1. I can't right-click on my ship in the station to bring up the menu for cargo/drones etc. Workaround seems to be changing station environment settings, but the problem is back next time I log in. 2. Lots of the numbers look the same on my item stacks... it's very hard to distinguish between some of them. This probably counts as a font issue; I've played around with the settings but can't find any way of making it clearer. Also some of the text now appears quite dim on my screen - no longer white & bright.
Sinari Galdrin	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:45:00 - [386] My problems are: - the font. (I don't see why Unicode support means it has to be unreadable.. An 'a' looks the same in both cases, it's just that more glyphs are available, the glyphs for characters from the 'Latin' section of Unicode can look identical to the glyphs for characters from an ASCII character set as far as I can see) - the lag/jump issues. Every so often on a jump, there's severe lag (or maybe a lockup) when entering the new system. Sometimes it recovers after a few minutes, and sometimes it needs logging out and back in (or maybe I'm too impatient). I just had a 4 minute wait entering a station as well. FPS is essentially unchanged for me. It might be slightly better, but that might be due to a different set of other software on the PC.
RaistlinSOL	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:46:00 - [387] Production is completely borked, canned, and spit on atm. I tossed in a Raven, a Dominix, and an Armageddon last night (not counting the 7x250MM rails) I can't find any of my produced items thats a few hundred mil right there missing - i kinda would like to find it again No, its not in any of my corp hangers at HQ, nor is it in my personal hanger, my frieghter, or anywhere else 3 battleships could fit.... ...except of course the Bug Bin. Thanks
Schiklegruber	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:47:00 - [388] Quote: You're being flagged as criminal to the NPC corporation of the rats. This is the exact same behavior as in previous patches, but since the UI update, you can now see all of your criminal flags. Nothing has changed, except for that fact that you now see all of your criminal flags. So, no player is free to shoot at you for shooting at rats. Thnx for clearing that up for me Clyt . Still leaves me with the empty overview though, but perhaps it will remember every factionship type I put in manually over time.
MikeDK	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:53:00 - [389] This is, without question, the most unreadable font I have ever seen. The chat is completely impossible to read even with the Wide spacing. It looks mostly like something out of an old Andrew Braybrook C64 game. Thick horizontals and verticals make the text in chat windows appear like a textured surface, making it nearly impossible to distinguish individual chat lines from oen another. I understand that it may boil down to a Unicode issue, but come on - this pitiful excuse of a font just isn't worthy of EVE Online. There are better solutions to the unicode problem, I'm certain of that.
Valeria Wolf	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:53:00 - [390] Edited by: Valeria Wolf on 16/12/2005 15:54:37 last night when I logged in I had serious lag, serious delayed responses, the font is killing my eyes of course I can bill you for my optomitrist New character sheet is poo, total poo I liked having my portrait up regardless of Character sheet utility. and please update this website... I print out thew skills section so I can read what I need to get...

Razin	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:54:00 - [391] Originally by: Moorhdath Edited by: Moorhdath on 16/12/2005 07:08:30 Im experiencing graphic hickups. The game stops for a second, then continues. The fps monitor dips to 0 for the duration. Nvidia 81.85 drivers Athlon64 X2 3800 Windows xp sp2. This came with rmr. I get the same thing. Where the pre-RMR FPS monitor (ctrl-F) was a smooth graph holding at around 48FPS average once the scene is loaded, post RMR the graph is jagged with a regular periodic loss of around 10-15% of FPS every 3-5 seconds and drops to nothing for about a second when something new shows up on the scene (ship warps in, etc.). This is by far the biggest problem IÆm experiencing with RMR, almost to the point of it being unplayable. I'm running ATI Rad 9800 Pro with cat 4.12, 1280x1024, AAx4 AFx16 set in the drivers, P4 3.06, 1GB RAM. P.S. I love the new font. It has some issues, mainly at large resolutions and with some characters that look alike. Those look like they are fixable without replacing the whole font. I never liked the previous font, please donÆt bring it back.
EDacIouSX	Posted - 2005.12.16 15:59:00 - [392] I think the new font is horrid. Why not add a feature where you could chose between what style of font you want? I think CCP should allow people to choose between styles ie Old style hud (where the modules were layed out in the center and you had to flip between high low and med slots like in the old days) and new style hud. Old style voice (which is so much cooler) and new style voice. I think all the old files are sitting there anyway, why not put them to use?
Danaya	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:01:00 - [393] Buddy list not working properly, all my friend there with red point Seems like it's not buddy but buggy
TZeer	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:01:00 - [394] To many pages to go through... The dampeners/ tracking disruptor stacking is FUBAR. If the targeted ship has 2 sensorbooster fitted, and u use a dampener on that ship, the dampener will get the "third" sensorbooster`s (if it was fitted) stacking penalty. Same goes to the tracking disruptors. Fit 2 tracking comps and the tracking disruptor gets the 3 tracking comps stacking penalty. In other words, 2 of your brand new T2 EW cruisers are worth nothing....
Matthew	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:09:00 - [395] Originally by: EDacIouSX I think the new font is horrid. Why not add a feature where you could chose between what style of font you want? I think CCP should allow people to choose between styles ie Old style hud (where the modules were layed out in the center and you had to flip between high low and med slots like in the old days) and new style hud. Old style voice (which is so much cooler) and new style voice. I think all the old files are sitting there anyway, why not put them to use? Because they operate from 2 completely different code bases, and maintaining both of them to handle all new additions would be a lot of unnecessary work. It's not as simple as simply putting the old files back in. Lets take the font as an example. They can't just flick between the new and old fonts, because the whole point of needing the new font was the introduction of unicode handling. Put the old font file in there and things would get very messy. Either you'd have to re-create the font in a unicode-supported way, or maintain 2 different text rendering systems. Similarly, the old-style HUD doesn't have many of the features current content needs. Even simple things like the "reload all" options would have to be specifically coded into the old code before it would work. And that's just the bits we can see. Optimisations often involve tweaking things like what data needs to be passed between different bits of code, what format that data takes etc. Just copying that old code back in would likely result in it getting messages it can't understand, and sending out messages the rest of the client can't understand. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:10:00 - [396] just checked a damage control 1 and the resistances for shield and armour are intermingled you get therm shield resistances listed then armour ones before the rest of the shield ones are shown
Happysin	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:12:00 - [397] Have you claimed it from the factory yet? It appears you don't actually get your item until you pick it up from the factory, using the "Science & Industry" pane. Also, I must be the only person who actually likes the font. I did have to set it to Wide to make it readable, but I think it is crisp. Originally by: RaistlinSOL Production is completely borked, canned, and spit on atm. I tossed in a Raven, a Dominix, and an Armageddon last night (not counting the 7x250MM rails) I can't find any of my produced items thats a few hundred mil right there missing - i kinda would like to find it again No, its not in any of my corp hangers at HQ, nor is it in my personal hanger, my frieghter, or anywhere else 3 battleships could fit.... ...except of course the Bug Bin. Thanks
Mari Y'Tuk	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:13:00 - [398] Can we please have some reasonable requirements for POS in Space or change the way Corp Standing Average works ( like only averaging the top 5% of members for each faction) With medium sized corps with used alts, obtaining 5.0 average is impossible - its certianly impossible with 20 unactive members My Production Spreadsheet, Most T1 Bp data, Located here.
Falco Sparverius	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:16:00 - [399] Okay this is my first forum post. In general I'm quite pleased so far with RMR. The only real grip I have, as so many others have said, is the new font. I use 1024x768 full screen, and have to set font to largest size to be able to read it easily. I misread a few things, such as "exhumers", which I read as "exturners". I really was wondering what the hell an exturner was. Anyway, other than that, this is still teh best online game I know of, and think the devs did an excellent job under difficult circumstances.
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:16:00 - [400] what with the random bolding in the upper left "you are here" text? Nearest: Yashunen IX Sovereignty: Caldari State Region The Citadel Constellation Caldari Border Zone

Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:16:00 - [401] Right......so, the gate-hang has stopped, so ive actually got into Masalle now- so now im sat in space experiencing lag so bad i can't even move! Infact, i can only send 1 chat message every 30 seconds! It took nearly 2 minutes just to get the Petition menu up!
Darkle	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:18:00 - [402] Too many pages to read thru so I'll just list things not working right so far and u can add them to the checklist: - buddy list not showing who is logged in/out correctly - old emails now messed up in format and some cut off which is a problem because they were being kept for info they contained - transactions list showing income but not expenditures in wallet - and ofc the font
Fearchar Fada	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:19:00 - [403] I'm too lazy to read all the other pages, but here is my problem: If your drone bay is overstuffed with prepatch drones and you are in space, you get this message when you try to warp: 2005.12.16 16:03:51<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>You cannot do that because you have somehow overloaded your drone bay. It fits 125.00 units but somehow 200.00 has been squeezed in. You can't warp to anything. I'm currently stuck in space at my safespot and can't warp to the station to unload some drones. I'm sure not going to launch them and destroy them. I had to put in a 'stuck' petition to get moved to the station. Still waiting on a response from the GM. _______________________________________________ Death is only the beginning....
Phyra	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:19:00 - [404] Manufacturing: Cancelling jobs needs to be included in the system. Got Bpos stuck in wrong assembly line and cant even stop it.
Achilles Thorongmor	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:21:00 - [405] The font is terrible, which has been mentioned of course. Also, when mousing over the wallet icon, it doesn't give your updated balance. Gives you what you logged on with. Have to open the wallet to get the real balance. Could just be me.
Diss Champ	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:22:00 - [406] Two issues so far: Even in station, lag was ugly last night. The font is almost unreadable on a 21 inch monitor. Between the pain from these two, I decided to wait on trying out anything else until they get fixed. It's that bad. Especially the font- if reading wasn't painful, I could just courier or trade til the lag was fixed.
Falco Sparverius	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:23:00 - [407] Originally by: Fearchar Fada I'm too lazy to read all the other pages, but here is my problem: If your drone bay is overstuffed with prepatch drones and you are in space, you get this message when you try to warp: 2005.12.16 16:03:51<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>You cannot do that because you have somehow overloaded your drone bay. It fits 125.00 units but somehow 200.00 has been squeezed in. You can't warp to anything. I'm currently stuck in space at my safespot and can't warp to the station to unload some drones. I'm sure not going to launch them and destroy them. I had to put in a 'stuck' petition to get moved to the station. Still waiting on a response from the GM. Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but can't you launch them and then scooop them to cargo bay?
illm	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:27:00 - [408] Broken: Copy URL function. It doesn't copy &-signs correctly as it instead inserts "& amp ;" into the copied URL. I had to put spaces in the example or the forum would've parsed it as a normal &. Not very handy at all for forum linkage.
Aterr Terradon	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:32:00 - [409] Ok... my 2 ISK here. Wonderful Eye Candy!!! BUT!(Don't you just hate that word!?) I must agree on the Font. At least in Chat, In all other parts of my screen, it appears very readable sans the Decimal/Period. Factory/Labs need an eject option badly (I have jobs running that I would normally eject, my bad entirely) Sobaseki is lagged to High Heaven, travel there is at your own risk. 7 Minute jumps and docking times ... not good. Lag was prevalent in most of my travels with the exception of Isanamo... no idea why.
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:38:00 - [410] Can we please get a consolidated list of known issues? I am positive that my issue/workaround can be duplicated (as it affected everyone that I talked to), but it is not yet on the Known Issues list under Patch Notes, nor in the first post here. ----------

Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:40:00 - [411] Also, new issue BUG: Occasionally, when a blueprint finishes in the lab (I was doing Material Research to level 10 on a drone BPO), it does not drop back into a hangar...it just disappears. I have an "Other" petition on it now as well as posting it here. ----------
Acheron Cyc	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:41:00 - [412] Don't know if this has been mentioned before but there seems to be a problem with in-chat avatar. When the person is new to the chat and such, you know it shows a generic avatar(the little copperish guy) and you click it so it shows his info tag and changes the chat avatar but now for some people you have to click the avatar every time because it doesn't save it, either doesn't appear in the message of the person like it used to be or doesn't load it at all when you click the first time...nor the second...nor the third. P.S: I love the font ------------------------------------------ "It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both." Niccolo Machiavelli
Happysin	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:45:00 - [413] Originally by: Somatic Neuron Also, new issue BUG: Occasionally, when a blueprint finishes in the lab (I was doing Material Research to level 10 on a drone BPO), it does not drop back into a hangar...it just disappears. I have an "Other" petition on it now as well as posting it here. eek! I'm glad you mentioned that, I'm going to hold off on research, then.
MarkX	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:48:00 - [414] Had to buy an Apoc for high sec mining because the retriever with drone nerf + drone bay nerf = cant solo cause drones go boom. lol. I know I know, train the skills...
Anton Zuber	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:52:00 - [415] The new font is really really really bad... WTF were you thinking here? Chat is broken now. If you have more than one chat channel, when you switch to other channels anything that was said while you were in a different chat tab is justified all wonky. it chops the text to about 20 characters in width or so. The manufacturing/research changes are outrageous. I have been trying to come up with a reasonable way to handle this with my corp in this new system and so far everything I have checked is very very bad news. I have shut down all corp manufacturing/research for now and it is looking more and more that this will be indefinate until this is changed back to the way things were. - costs to use factores have become highly variable and impossible to manage from a corps perspective. I estimate our costs have tripled and will probably increase dramatically once more people log in and start using factories at this station. - It is apparently now required to give rent factory ( or research ) to use any blueprints in a corporate hangar. Previously only directors needed this to rent new slots. - It is apparently now required for members to have take access to use any blueprints in a corporate hangar. Previously only query was necessary. - Factory/Lab space still has similar constraints for a finite number of slots per station but now you can no longer secure a rental contract for your corporations needs. Prior to the patch we had our 6 factories and 6 labs rented and secured. Now I expect we will be locked out of our own HQ station within the day and stuffed into waiting ques. All of these changes were unannounced. I read the patch notes in detail the day before RMR went live. Not only were they not in the patch notes the day before RMR released the due date for RMR itself was unannounced. I was LUCKY that I was already working on a long skill when this disaster struck. It certainly had nothing to do with any notice from CCP. Note... I haven't even left the station yet. I've been busy trying to get a handle on this disaster for my corp first so I expect there's a lot more problems out there I just haven't stumbled into yet. In summary... WTF WERE YOU THINKING!?
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.16 16:52:00 - [416] Ok, next week my christmas holidays will start. Do you reckon you can sort the problems by then CCP? I'm paying for my subscription you know...
N'nial Hanaj	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:03:00 - [417] Edited by: N''nial Hanaj on 16/12/2005 17:05:59 Edited by: N''nial Hanaj on 16/12/2005 17:04:41 I'm uncertain as to whether or not these have been mentioned already; if so, please forgive my reporting them again. However, ships are flickering out of cloak right before jumping to a new system. Additionally, people are showing as offline while I chat with them. Furthermore, the new font (yes, I know this one has been mentioned) is really difficult to read. Finally, I'd like to say thank you for your hard work. And please don't let the people who are incapable of being polite while notifying you of complaints get you down. Manners, unfortunately, are in short supply these days. Minor edits for grammar and syntax.
Savyor	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:06:00 - [418] Sorry, working and don't have time to read all posts previous, so excuse if any of this was mentioned before. Tested the "Kill Rights" feature with some corpmates as follows: Ganged with one corpmate, had another corpmate near, but not in gang, and had an alt who is not in corp nor in gang. Test 1. Had main (toon in corp and in gang) jet a can with a missile in it. Had alt toon (not in gang nor in corp) "steal" the contents. Alt got a popup warning about stealing...this was good thing. Alt took it anyway. Result 1. Main that jetted can got no indication of theft at all. Nothing in "Kill Rights" of Char screen, no pop-ups, no overview changes on main except the yellow "aggression timer"...but I think that was on prior to test from a belt rat I killed (it was not in sync with alt's timer). Corp member (in gang) stated that alt was blinking red in overview, but nothing (IIRC) in "Kill Rights". Corp member (not in gang) saw no evidence at all. Alt that took missile got no indication except the agression timer after the popup. Upon locking target on the alt with main there was still no overview change on main, but alt now had main blinking red in overview. I did shoot one missile at alt and Concord did not respond, but since he's my biotch, I let him live. Test 2. Alt jetted the missile and main "stole" it back. Result 2. No popup on main like there was with alt on Test 1 and no change in Kill Rights for any toon. This time though, alt was blinking red on mains overview. Alt's overview showed main flashing yellow (I guess indicating that he was locked?) Corp mates were browsing market at this time, and reported nothing changed except agression timer was on. Can't confirm whether that reset or not though with Test 2 theft. It did not appear to reset on main and alt though. I did not retaliate with alt on main, since I only had a mining laser on the hauler, heh. Overall, I think the concept of the flagging is good, it just has a couple bugs to get worked out though.
Deor	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:07:00 - [419] Hate hate hate the new font, its hurts like everyone says. Change it or let us choose! We really REALLY need an easy way to tell if its a BPO or a BPC. Cant you just stamp a big C accross the icon for a BPC? When looking at them in the Research and procuction screen there is nothing that tells me what me ME and PE levels are any more. How am i meant to keep track of over 500 BPO's and what ones need researching? Dont tell me i have to right click each one and have a look or i'll scream All my BPO's are nicely organised in my HQ corp hangers, Hangers for High Mid and Low mods, Ammo, ships etc, made it very easy to find what i wanted to build or research. Just listing everything under the station now makes that pretty useless. At least you can right click on them now to do stuff. Being able to see the ME and PE of BP's in the hanger detail view would be very handy as well seeing as now the production and research screens now just lump all the BP's together under the station rather than letting you select the hanger. . UK Corp Website -- Guest Book
Knerf	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:13:00 - [420] Originally by: Savyor Sorry, working and don't have time to read all posts previous, so excuse if any of this was mentioned before. Tested the "Kill Rights" feature with some corpmates as follows: Ganged with one corpmate, had another corpmate near, but not in gang, and had an alt who is not in corp nor in gang. Test 1. Had main (toon in corp and in gang) jet a can with a missile in it. Had alt toon (not in gang nor in corp) "steal" the contents. Alt got a popup warning about stealing...this was good thing. Alt took it anyway. Result 1. Main that jetted can got no indication of theft at all. Nothing in "Kill Rights" of Char screen, no pop-ups, no overview changes on main except the yellow "aggression timer"...but I think that was on prior to test from a belt rat I killed (it was not in sync with alt's timer). Corp member (in gang) stated that alt was blinking red in overview, but nothing (IIRC) in "Kill Rights". Corp member (not in gang) saw no evidence at all. Alt that took missile got no indication except the agression timer after the popup. Upon locking target on the alt with main there was still no overview change on main, but alt now had main blinking red in overview. I did shoot one missile at alt and Concord did not respond, but since he's my biotch, I let him live. Test 2. Alt jetted the missile and main "stole" it back. Result 2. No popup on main like there was with alt on Test 1 and no change in Kill Rights for any toon. This time though, alt was blinking red on mains overview. Alt's overview showed main flashing yellow (I guess indicating that he was locked?) Corp mates were browsing market at this time, and reported nothing changed except agression timer was on. Can't confirm whether that reset or not though with Test 2 theft. It did not appear to reset on main and alt though. I did not retaliate with alt on main, since I only had a mining laser on the hauler, heh. Overall, I think the concept of the flagging is good, it just has a couple bugs to get worked out though. no kill rights for stealing, kill rights are only set if they destroy your ship, then he gets added to your list

Diana Thrust	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:15:00 - [421] My toon has changed slightly since the upgrade -- different eyes and jawline. Coincidentally, I also get stuck at the station login; the station never materializes. Alts for this account are fine. Any ideas?
Illegal	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:15:00 - [422] besides the already stated connection issues, i was stuck in a system for a long time, relogged many times, i've given up now, ill come back on later .. but there's another issue i've found, often while i play even i watch a tv show or movie on my computer and leave eve sound off, mining / travelling gets boring .. however .. i just noticed now, that post-RMR patch, when i run eve and a show/movie i get this dodgy blue/green triangle covering the bottom left corner all the way across half of the screen... i close eve and it goes away, i restart it, it comes back .. it never used to do this ..
tx rx	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:17:00 - [423] Edited by: tx rx on 16/12/2005 17:24:37 ok - No access to the game, [Character selection] <=- Edit Entering Games as TX RX (Progress bar runs to end and then nowt, stalls for ages and I dbl click esc to quit) Music loops under this as normal tho trying to login at peak 5pm is probably not helping also. I love the new font. and can read it no probs (1600x1280) Nice to see that there is now a consistency across the Eve brand, ever seen that font anywhere before folks? ---===>> Also I do have a drop in FPS as well. Not major but it's there nonetheless. Will try later. TX_RX
eleuthereus	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:21:00 - [424] Thank for RMR - very excited ..... BUT, 1.The font absolutely MUST go - Please, I beg you. I used to be able to actually use my 1600x1200 screen in all it's glory and still make out my txt typing in chats and also the other pilots with font set to large. NO MORE. In fact, I can BARELY (and I mean barely) read my txt typing in 1280X1024 and my chat window MUST now be set to large font always. Why even bother haveing the lower font types since these are now useless. Please go back to previous font. Although I will admit that the jump coordinates on screen while enroute to a location do look fine. 2. Serious chat window problems. Every time I minimize my chat window or change channels, the text goes vertical. 3. Where did the hotter flames and brighter flames go on initiation of ABs? They're gone. Now speed just increases, but no burst of engine flames or accompanying sound. Please bring that back. I miss my flames. 4. The aggression clock and the whole flagging thing, IMHO, is a pain in the neck, confusing, and will make for many unnecessary confrontations. It is also confusing when you stumble upon a roid belt where someone has been wasted by rats and their stuff is there. This used to be a nice way to pick up extra loot. But now, chances are that some idiot is waiting there cloaked. It ruined a very fun aspect of teh game - finding unexpected treasure. eleuthereus
DeMundus	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:23:00 - [425] Fresh install and all I get when I start up eve.exe is a black box where the normal login screen should be... any help would be thankfull DeM
Pistonbroke	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:24:00 - [426] ERROR APPLYING PATCH "Could not patch the file because the size or checksum of the file is invalid" Any ideas. this is makng me maddddddd....................
Ratalon	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:29:00 - [427] "The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again."
Pistonbroke	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:31:00 - [428] Originally by: Diana Thrust Edited by: Diana Thrust on 16/12/2005 17:23:10 Edited by: Diana Thrust on 16/12/2005 17:22:27 My toon has changed slightly since the upgrade -- different eyes and mouth. Old one is on the left, new one is on the right. Old one was smokin', new one looks like a doofus. Coincidentally, I also get stuck at the station login; the station never materializes. Alts for this account are fine. Any ideas? Looks like RMR gave her a shot of caffeine and a nose-job. Far cuter imho.
Commoner	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:42:00 - [429] I've got a problem. Just finished Combat drone operation lvl 2. THen i wnated to train it to lvl3...but...it had reverted back to lvl1, so i would have to train it once more to lvl2?
Etsukai	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:42:00 - [430] My client patches for a moment (seconds), then stops, giving me a "The patch has been downloaded but vailed verification. Please try again." Fails everytime. Never gets more than a few seconds into patching.

Global Bullets	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:42:00 - [431] Many Noticed Bugs.. 1. OMGWTF LAGGGGGG. 2. Buddy's offline while online. (Red Box Instead of green) 3. Font crazy hard to read. 4. What Happened to return to drone bay? and why is it now Engage Target. also with the drones once you have them moved to a folder specified by user, when they are brought back to the drone bay they do not go back into there folders, (Kinda hard to bring in mining drones and release scout drones and vice versa now that you must sort threw 10 drones that dont even organize by name..) 6. There are more but not worth mentioning i can deal with them.. Now for the good! Log in is 10x faster! FPS is 2x better Diddnt take a week to update Lots of new ships and items, places to go.. @ no cost to us. There are more again not worth mentioning.. All around CCP great job and hope you get everything sorted soon.. I love this game, and really dont expect a patch this big to work perfectly the very first day..
Savyor	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:42:00 - [432] Originally by: Knerf Originally by: Savyor Sorry, .....deleted my post to save space. no kill rights for stealing, kill rights are only set if they destroy your ship, then he gets added to your list Ahh, that explains that part. Now, for the theft flagging, how is that supposed to be indicated then?
Rimme Ettakar	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:43:00 - [433] Suroken seems to be lagged to heck and back - with barely 70 odd people in system. Flew through Jita, Soba ... these seem to be on par with Suroken lag - but these systems have 200 - 300 odd pilots on.
Evit Retsal	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:44:00 - [434] Everything seems pretty good to me. Really liking the improvements and additions and such. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication! ...but the new font, absolutely sucks.
Gretchen Dawntreader	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:51:00 - [435] BPO may appear to disappear at the end of research because it merely changes to a different word on the Jobs tab (in green, "completed" or something, I'm at work) and you have to click on that line for a button down in the corner to appear to Release the bpo. Not sure why, but I did a quicky 2 hour research on a small ammo print, and that's what I had to do to get the print back. My issues: 1. Font stinks. Tiny and illegible at 1600x1200 even with large wide font settings. change back please, hundreds are posting this problem. 2. CTRL-Tab still removes the GUI for screenshots but only random frantic flailing got the GUI back. It seems not to be a toggle. 3. No sooner had the theft-tagging gone in but there were groups of Battleships outside BTT in Rens dropping cans in front of the station exit and blowing up noobs who didn't know better than to loot them. Is this really what we want? 4. It has been noted that there is no option to cancel or interrupt research or manufacturing jobs. I know they aren't continuously calculated anymore, but they should be able to be terminated if a need arises. 5. the process of entering a bpo into a lab or a factory line is needlessly complex involving 5 different window or so. I also am unable to tell from the abbreviated display at the bottom of these windows how if at all my standing with the station or any skills I have are affecting the price. 6. People have said that firing on npc rats flags you, and that they are classified as asteroids now? I didn't fight any last night but folks in channel were complaining about this. 7. did I mention how bad and unnecessary the font change is? I now need to lean towards my monitor to read important information.
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:53:00 - [436] stuck at "entering game as...." patched and logged a machine @ work and it went in fine. Now the same patch on the (much better spec) home PC and.... nothing. time to download the whole client maybe sigh
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:54:00 - [437] Ok, after 11 pages I had finaly enough. Here are some of mine: 1. font. only the wide one is readable. but I cannot tell D O 0 apart, also some other things. The Cold War font was actualy better (I mean the original one that we complained about). 2. rats are now classed as roids ? There's already a thread about this, but I see no rats in overview, when I right click them, the menu shows also: Add Asteroid Guristas <whatever> to overview. 3. I remember I had this column order in overview before: icon, name, distance, velocity. Now I have: icon, distance, name ... Why the change ? 4. seems less lag and more fps for me. 5. I do not understand the agresion timer when attacking NPC rats ... why that ? 6. I definitely don't like the jetcan flagging. Can this be turned to an option in options menu ? Like 'Flag all cans yes/no' ? other than that, I like the reload all option, also the heavy launcher changes are great. ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well ...
Futher Bezluden	Posted - 2005.12.16 17:59:00 - [438] So far, the game seems to be running very smoothly, nice graphics/sound changes. Problems... this thread is full of them, but adding a few. valkarie SW-600 and warrior SW-300 bpo's... not ingame. cannot cancel lab jobs once loaded. if all bpo's in one slot, they run consecutively, not simultaneously. We should be able to load up one slot with max number of installs and have them run simultaneously to reduce time. adding new drones to overview settings via filter. Seriously, never came to mind to post up a LAB README before the patch went live. No one said, "Hey, this is totally new. Players might not have a clue what to do and might end up screwed." Combat: wtf. -2.4 pirates ganked a miner, jumped to safespot til the criminal flag expired, then warped to gate giving local the finger. Buddy sniped him and blew up the guy's frig. Pirate now has buddy on kill rights. How special that the lawless can abuse the law to further their piracy. Tested the kill rights with buddy. How long is this "limited time"? Agression Timer for killing NPC's??? Disappearing Drone Interfacing when changing ships bug. Ship Modules all armor plating velocity penalty removed. 1600mm plated cruisers have added mass, but are now faster and just as agile as before. Thought the idea was for ships with oversized plating to have greater than 10% velocity and agility penalty; somewhere around 30% to 40% penalty. Medium Shield extenders give flat sig radius inflation. Same for Large ones and probably others. So, I can fit Large Extender 2 on my cruiser and only increase sig radius 25 points. Oversized Shield Extenders don't penalize players really. Invulnerable to Remote Sensor Dampers: People with Signal Suppression 4 tested this out vs a tempest with 2 sensor booster 2 and 1 signal amp. multiple RSD's were not effective, but 1 tracking disruptor is the evil death for turret ships. I thought with RMR, the oversized plating/extenders on ships was going the way of the dinosaurs, that players would be greatly penalized. So much for that idea. /rantoff
Martinus Crimson	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:02:00 - [439] Quote: Dear players, the servers will be closing in 15 minutes for a short unscheduled reboot at GMT 18:15. Please make sure your characters are out of harmGÇÖs way before the server close. -The EVE Online Team ROFL Unicode 4tw ----------------------- Nuttin ^^
Royaldo	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:02:00 - [440] "Red Moon Rising has been successfully released onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible." yeah right... anyway please reboot server. the lagg in some system are totally fubared. ive been to some big highway systems that were ok, but then some small systems are totally lagged out.

Vishnej	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:04:00 - [441] Cloak recalibration time after jump Font - it needs fixin', up the kerning or change it to something closer to sans serif. Remote module stacking penalty - mostly affects dampers + disruptors Lag - this is likely temporary Not sure if it's a seperate issue: Bookmark copying takes minutes to start after I drag, if it starts at all (it often doesn't) T2 ammo BPO's not on market several T2 dronetypes not on market NPC -> player corp standings have always been broken, and now that they're important they should be fixed, replaced with a system that makes sense. Me doing one mission for a faction that has my corp at high level, would bring the sec rating down. That's Not How Things Should Be. Damage control mods' hull resist is broken, as well as only displayed on some modules Assembly/laboratory arrays don't list efficiency/time stats Ejecting production/lab jobs seems to be a problem Stuck problems - we've seen this before after major patches online/offline markers seem to be switched in some cases with POSes CCP probably intended small/med/large ship assembly arrays to have graduated pricing - they all have the same price Attacking rats affects your aggression timer Missing icon on interdiction probe Medium/Large tractor beams removed - larges were 500m/s from 80km, it's like like that's unbalanced for rat hunting Launchergroup on warp disrupt probe should be "interdiction sphere launcher" ---------------------------- T2 Destroyers: a proposal Requested Changes: An alphabet's worth
Alosar	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:09:00 - [442] Edited by: Alosar on 16/12/2005 18:09:34 To those of you woh got better fps what cards you using ? you lucky ..... cough my fps is down by 30-50% and cpu usage is up :( 2.4ghz 1024 ram GF 6200 256mb
ChefAce	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:09:00 - [443] I'm not sure if this has been mentioned already so I'll just post it just in case. When tryong to enter a BPO into a research facility for copying, ME research or anything else it doesn't give me a choice between getting the input or output to or from my personal hangar. And the weird thing is that the only choice I get is for my corp hangars. But we don't even have a corp office in the station where my research is being done. -------------
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:13:00 - [444] Can not use in-game event logging in combat. Lags client VERY badly. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Fivor	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:14:00 - [445] No cancel on lab slot jobs... BIG Sales Eve Search
Jaxzon	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:20:00 - [446] 1. Performance seems to have taken an odd hit. The game was stalling on a regular beat of every few seconds, which was entirely new behavior. Prior to the update it was always smooth sailing. 2. I lost all training time from this morning's restart until (I hope) whenever the server comes back up. Every time I tried to start a skill I got a dialog that told me my brain needed a rest. This went on for about an hour, then I lost connection and got stuck in the black hole that has consumed so many today. I hope my ship is in one piece.
Niki Silver	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:28:00 - [447] The visual and audible effects from using a 1mn AB II on the Wolf are missing.
Thong	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:30:00 - [448] GOD I FREAKING HATE PATCH TIME!!! CAN YOU GUYS MAKE IT ANY WORSE? AS USUAL I CANNOT DOWNLOAD YOUR PATCH. QUITS AFTER 2% DOWNLOAD WITH THE ERROR "The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again." THERE ARE OVER 70,000 PEOPLE PAYING YOU $12 A MONTH. WTF!!! STOP STUFFING YOUR POCKETS AND GET TO WORK! JEEZUS!
Simili	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:33:00 - [449] As a full time producer, RMR is bringing cool stuff like up to 11 factories at once :) But it's not only bringing good stuff: I understand why we are getting the modules that we are building as a batch (my theory is to make less erver side stacks of actions... ie: every 12 sec deliver that module to that hangar..) But it could hav ebeen possible to allow players to push the current deliver button at anytime to get what has been produced UP TO NOW... (would bring a part of the lag back, but not nearly as much). My corporation used to run production for 20 t2 BPOs 24/7 with batches of 500 runs, now we can't do this if we want to have modules every week.... also, if an error is made while putting a BP un produciton/research or whatever.. we can't take it out.. that is just plain stupid, ie: research a dread BPO to me 1, but you make the error and put it to me10 or me11, there, you just lost your dread BPO for the next YEAR. so here are my complaints in short sentences for the ones who don't want to read: - can't cancel job in manuf/research/copy - can't get ahold of products before the end of the whole batch when producing.
Thommy	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:36:00 - [450] Edited by: Thommy on 16/12/2005 18:39:16 Patch dowloaded ok, applied ok but the client just froze the complete system to an almost stop giving a very long time to kill eve client to get computer back. Downloaded full client also ok so seems to be ok. Will try again with new fresh install Edit: password needed to watch introduction movie? was that also this way before? currently eve cluster starting up and rejecting connection attempts so i guess quite some hickups occuring at the moment.

Wolfgang Jager	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:38:00 - [451] After more testing and play: -Lag : there has been a noticable increase in lag during space fights, even in systems with only 10-12 people in them. - Random client crash: I've been crashed to desktop twice while attempting warps within a system - Character sheet layout - really preferred the old system, some way to minimize the honking big bar on the left of the new one would be appreciated - Jet/loot can flagging: This is just getting more and more annoying...there desperately needs to be a visual cue in the overview to "your" loot...lots of people are setting ambushes/deliberately trying to sucker people into being flagged and it is currently a major pain to try and avoid this.
Vinnie Paul	Posted - 2005.12.16 18:53:00 - [452] Thong , do the manual install , download from the downloads area. Was fast and worked well enough for both installs I run . Personally I expect annoyances and aggravations after a patch. I am very disappointed with the effort put into screwing with parts of the game that were working fine before. Lets try to concentrate on new things and the items promised on box years ago that have yet to be seen please. leave what is working well enough alone for now and get on with the rest , PLEASE. Delete it as a flame if you like but it isnt , just a statement of the obvious that I hear from 99% of the players I have spoken too so far. you might want to add some graviton physics books to market the first guys on bought them up and have jacked price to stupid levels. everyone seems to like tractor beam idea until they go to look at required skills then to market to buy that one. They go from happy to ****ed in no time. luckily I already had mine.
Branco	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:02:00 - [453] After the reboot 5 minutes ago I can't buy stuff from the market. I see the listing and prices but when I click to buy the dialog box shows empty.
SNeAkYbRiT	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:22:00 - [454] The Only bug I've come across is the Character Sheet. Clicked on Bio and nothing in there. Try and click to skills or any other tab and NOTHING! had this freeze the game up most of the time all i need to do is restart the game a couple of times to get it working again. This doesnt just happen to me, got one of my corp mates to check my bio and it froze his game up too...so me thinks this is a little problem to all that check my bio and I'm guessing this could be a bug or is it just BROKE! Apart from this I haven't had any trouble until now...now all we have is a really laggy server and forums :) Oh yeah forgot to mention the buggy pics of BP's or other stuff u have in corp hangers, wish they'd fix that too. I agree about the cancel button being a must in the fac/lab units Wolfgang, so u can see what can is yours just turn on TAG in your overview settings. (Simple as that)
Pistonbroke	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:23:00 - [455] Originally by: Branco After the reboot 5 minutes ago I can't buy stuff from the market. I see the listing and prices but when I click to buy the dialog box shows empty. Market: not working. 20 mins after reboot Escrow: Causes crash Undocking: Causes long term black screen Lag: Like wading through treacle with an anchor chained to your pants buhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh, I been working away all week and I just wanna play EvE
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:25:00 - [456] The game is enarly unplyable. Several ppl in local are expressing the same concerns. 1) Excessivly long log in time 2) Market problem (try to research and item and it hangs) 3) Escrow problem (try to open escrow and it runs and runs and runs before it opens) 4) Jumping...Jumped through a gate and my ship disappeared. Had to file a petition to get it back 5) Frequent game lockups Also, it was very, very difficuly to get this forum to load. I'm a US player that jsut got home from work. Have there been server issues again today that I have missed? Overall, the performance it totally unacceptable.
Noelf	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:25:00 - [457] Before th patch: Log in was fast Gameplay was smooth Having fun After the patch: Log in takes forever, if you can at all. Gameplay lags badly Frustrated because its unplayable half the time now Way to go! I don't care how much content, balancing, blah blah blah you add to the game. And I don't care if you release an expansion when you say you're going to. I think its pretty obvious from the list above what really matters and so far... you've screwed it up. It'll be cool when you fix it but I wish you had not deployed this right now. I don't think you were ready. Singing on the home page won't win you any points just trust me on this. ATM I've been connecting for 5 mins... wow, impressive!
schurem	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:27:00 - [458] Edited by: schurem on 16/12/2005 19:33:05 I cant logon at all after trying to leave the station at Rens. That is, it goes through all the motions, but at the moment where the bar is filed and i should get a view of my shuttle, all i get is a black screen... forever Its ok though, helluva job CCP, keeping us supplied with new goodies and such. I understand the gargantuan amount of work that goes into this, and the complexity of the game makes it almost impossible to keep mr Murphy at bay. <<insert sig here>>
Vladimir Ilych	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:27:00 - [459] finally got in. every page is so slow to open. like 5 minutes to move from char selection to station screen. now stuck trying to undock. if i finally get back in to find a pod floating in space i will be upset...
MrMunro	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:28:00 - [460] Been staring at "Entering game as MrMunro" for about 35 minutes now, think I should give up trying?? In the meantime, 9000 ppl did manage to log in, is there something I'm not doing right? Or do you just hav it in for Dutch people, lol? Just kidding with that last part of course. But please go ahead and fix the bugs in the update. (correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that exactly what the test server is supposed for?)

BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:31:00 - [461] Yep...tried to change to anotehr skill to train and it will now switch.
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:32:00 - [462] Make that "not" switch
Lucifer66	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:36:00 - [463] I'm stuck leraving the station All I get is a black screen. My buddy is stuck here as well. And the lag is really bad and the frame rate is less than half what it was before
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:37:00 - [464] Originally by: Futher Bezluden Combat: [list][*]wtf. -2.4 pirates ganked a miner, jumped to safespot til the criminal flag expired, then warped to gate giving local the finger. Buddy sniped him and blew up the guy's frig. Pirate now has buddy on kill rights. How special that the lawless can abuse the law to further their piracy It's a feature and piracy is a respectable profession. If you dislike it go play Solitaire.
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:40:00 - [465] 2005.12.16 19:29:49<t><color=0xffffffff>info<t>The transportID does not identify a known transport This popped up along with a window titled "Invalid Packet Destination". It happens pretty much every time I post something in chat or open a window, be it my wallet, petitions, market, whatever. Also, a lot of us have noticed hardcore lag after the system reboot. :/
X10Dead	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:40:00 - [466] Bug: I tried to view the info of a character. Pop-up: "INVALID PACKET DESTINATION" : The transportID does not identify a known transport ???
Salmack	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:46:00 - [467] Originally by: Ankanos DO NOT BUILD if you submit somthing to build, it WILL NOT return your bpo/bpc or mins/item. it was like this on test a few hours earlier, and i just tested it with 2 small uranium bpc -ank Yes it will if you look in on your jobs it will show that its READY and you need to click deliver. Then all will be placed in the hanger you told it to use. I am not sure why the extra step but I am sure they had an idea going. I also think that ppl should have looked on the test server and seen the changes and learned them before the patch and look foolish because they ***ed about things that are correct and not wrong. And ppl get a grip and stop ***ing about the text. I hated the old one for all the reasons given now. But the new one is now better. Try to adjust your settings for width and size in the game menu. BAN! BAN! BAN!
Watugonnado	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:46:00 - [468] ok... I love Eve... But please CCP give us some info when things go wrong... It took over 30mins to log in (after short reboot) and then my ship got stuck at a gate for 10mins. I decided to relog and now cannot get back in Loads of people are reporting severe lag. Is this gonna clear up soon?? or does it look like a long term problem?? Please please please... i understand you guys are busy, but can we have some info... if i know that there is gonna be problems all night i can log off and go watch a movie or something. Thanks.
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:47:00 - [469] While I experienced few of the problems reported in this thread prior to your most recent reboot, I am now unable to logon to the game. It takes forever just to get to the character selection screen, and once I finally get it to load and click on my character, the screen fades to black and stays that way. Note that CTRL-Q still allows me to exit the game. If I'm not mistaken, that's handled by the client... which would indicate that it's a server hang-up I'm experiencing. As much as I'd like to pat CCP and its devs on the back for a job-well-done, I'm afraid that I can't. I think it's time for you guys to revisit your testing and quality assurance methods, as they seem to be severely lacking. Oh, and I noticed this addition to your main page: "Red Moon Rising has been *successfully released* onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible." I know it's a small detail, but... 1. "successfully released" would depend on your definition of successfully... if you mean that no human lives were lost during the deployment, then I suppose you're bang on. 2. By my calculations, the deployment took 29 hours, not 26. I can understand the need for maintaining a good PR image... but being disingenous isn't the best way to accomplish this. 3. "approximitly" (sic) is spelled APPROXIMATELY; and it should be HOURS (plural, meaning more than one), and not "hour" (sic). Small things, to be sure, especially since your average 14-20 y.o. player won't notice (or care about) the mispelling. Your more mature audience, however, may equate proper spelling and grammar with the level of professionalism that CCP is trying to project. Now that that's out of the way, I do want to say that I like most of the changes that have been introduced with RMR, especially some of the refinements to the lower-end ship classes. I'm looking forward to being able to log on to the game, in order to see and experience the remaining changes. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:47:00 - [470] It's ****. Main question is, why are the forums hosted on the same servers as the game?! --- INFOD

Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:49:00 - [471] Yay, more lag! The sodding game's been logging on for 30 mins now, hovering on the edge of loading up.......guess it doesnt help that the unexpected DT logged me out in Oursulaert, lag central.............
Bratack	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:51:00 - [472] Where the heck are the freighter containers listed on the market? Or did we forget them and not change the patch notes? Quote: Freight Containers have been added. These Freighter-only containers allow in-ship sorting and organization. They cannot be jettisoned.
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:52:00 - [473] LOL X10. . .looks like you and I decided to post about it at the same time. It's happening with damn near everything for me, though. Looks like it's related to time in between actions?
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:52:00 - [474] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign While I experienced few of the problems reported in this thread prior to your most recent reboot, I am now unable to logon to the game. It takes forever just to get to the character selection screen, and once I finally get it to load and click on my character, the screen fades to black and stays that way. Note that CTRL-Q still allows me to exit the game. If I'm not mistaken, that's handled by the client... which would indicate that it's a server hang-up I'm experiencing. As much as I'd like to pat CCP and its devs on the back for a job-well-done, I'm afraid that I can't. I think it's time for you guys to revisit your testing and quality assurance methods, as they seem to be severely lacking. Oh, and I noticed this addition to your main page: "Red Moon Rising has been *successfully released* onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible." I know it's a small detail, but... 1. "successfully released" would depend on your definition of successfully... if you mean that no human lives were lost during the deployment, then I suppose you're bang on. 2. By my calculations, the deployment took 29 hours, not 26. I can understand the need for maintaining a good PR image... but being disingenous isn't the best way to accomplish this. 3. "approximitly" (sic) is spelled APPROXIMATELY; and it should be HOURS (plural, meaning more than one), and not "hour" (sic). Small things, to be sure, especially since your average 14-20 y.o. player won't notice (or care about) the mispelling. Your more mature audience, however, may equate proper spelling and grammar with the level of professionalism that CCP is trying to project. Now that that's out of the way, I do want to say that I like most of the changes that have been introduced with RMR, especially some of the refinements to the lower-end ship classes. I'm looking forward to being able to log on to the game, in order to see and experience the remaining changes. OMG! you are so cool You owned CCP --- INFOD
ballobas	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:54:00 - [475] Oki Simple Cant logg in Have tried this last 45 minutes now
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:55:00 - [476] Originally by: Leandro Salazar The new font is horribly hard to read! Please give us back the old one. If it ain't broke don't fix it! At some places it looks 1000x better than the previous one. At some places it looks worse, true. Being open minded and not having the general change resistance motion I haven't decided yet wether I like it or not. It's however very sharp and readable unless if you have a worse tft panel or crt monitor
BackWard	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:56:00 - [477] cant log in with either account ...stuck on entering as blah blah
Chain Gang	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:56:00 - [478] Select * from lag ...... then delete it Job done ... don't known why it took you so long
Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:56:00 - [479] Quote: We're working on it, the database is going haywire. Damn you Murphy. Don't think you can avoid our wrath by acting cute......
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:58:00 - [480] Originally by: Futher Bezluden <snip> Agression Timer for killing NPC's??? <snip> This is only for the NPC corp of the rat you shot at. This has always been the behavior, the only thing that has changed is that in this patch, you can see all of your criminal flags, even the ones to NPC corps. You will not get fired on by Concord, and you won't be freely fired upon by other players. Originally by: Jaxzon 1. Performance seems to have taken an odd hit. The game was stalling on a regular beat of every few seconds, which was entirely new behavior. Prior to the update it was always smooth sailing. It seems this is due to the overview resorting itself every second or so. If you have a lot of items in the overview the resorting will become a noticable chop in fps. Try hiding the overview (<tab>), scaling down the overview so that it doesn't show as many items, or sort the overview on something that won't force large changes when you resort it, i.e. not on transversal velocity :)

Grendor	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:58:00 - [481] First the good, Great jobs on the update with new items and ships looks nice. Now the bad lost ship due to lag and drones not responding.Take along time for ship to respond to commands. The fitting modual needs work as must close all windows or minimise to see it as clicking it no longer brings it to the for ground. You worked hard un RMR but was in my view released way to soon. Even this forem site is lagged to do things. I have doubts about the game now and am so unhappy. Grendor
Jake Redburn	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:58:00 - [482] Ok i got a tread locked and got told to reply to this thread.... just a quick question who has read all the posts on this thread... or lets say 60%... not a lot i bet
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:58:00 - [483] Edited by: Tas Devil on 16/12/2005 20:13:13 Red Moon Rising Released Red Moon Rising has been successfully released onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible. Oii... CCP don't you think before crying out loud that RMR was deployed succesfully you may want to fix the mess on TQ right now ? Its one thing that I accept such big patches need ironing out after deployment... but first it was 6 hours late not 2 ... brief your communication team properly please... 2nd its utterly unplayable right now... my gutt feeling all day is you got yourself a memory leak somewhere ... memory consumption on my PC keeps rising even if I just stay in station ... anyway before claiming success and going off to have drinks ... try and sort out the game... nothing ****es players off more then you not acknowledging the utter mess TQ is in right now ! oh and great spelling from your communication team ... I suggest math class and english class for them right after xmas holiday...
Zooish	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:58:00 - [484] With "Cans" now being flagged .... has anyone had people fire at the rats while you are doing agent missions therefore you cannot open the can or you will be flagged
ballobas	Posted - 2005.12.16 19:59:00 - [485] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign While I experienced few of the problems reported in this thread prior to your most recent reboot, I am now unable to logon to the game. It takes forever just to get to the character selection screen, and once I finally get it to load and click on my character, the screen fades to black and stays that way. Note that CTRL-Q still allows me to exit the game. If I'm not mistaken, that's handled by the client... which would indicate that it's a server hang-up I'm experiencing. As much as I'd like to pat CCP and its devs on the back for a job-well-done, I'm afraid that I can't. I think it's time for you guys to revisit your testing and quality assurance methods, as they seem to be severely lacking. Oh, and I noticed this addition to your main page: "Red Moon Rising has been *successfully released* onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible." I know it's a small detail, but... 1. "successfully released" would depend on your definition of successfully... if you mean that no human lives were lost during the deployment, then I suppose you're bang on. 2. By my calculations, the deployment took 29 hours, not 26. I can understand the need for maintaining a good PR image... but being disingenous isn't the best way to accomplish this. 3. "approximitly" (sic) is spelled APPROXIMATELY; and it should be HOURS (plural, meaning more than one), and not "hour" (sic). Small things, to be sure, especially since your average 14-20 y.o. player won't notice (or care about) the mispelling. Your more mature audience, however, may equate proper spelling and grammar with the level of professionalism that CCP is trying to project. Now that that's out of the way, I do want to say that I like most of the changes that have been introduced with RMR, especially some of the refinements to the lower-end ship classes. I'm looking forward to being able to log on to the game, in order to see and experience the remaining changes. WELL SAID
Chain Gang	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:00:00 - [486] "Rightclick" on ship to get cargo "sometimes" doesn't bring up the menu
Diana Thrust	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:00:00 - [487] Originally by: Pistonbroke Originally by: Diana Thrust Edited by: Diana Thrust on 16/12/2005 17:23:10 Edited by: Diana Thrust on 16/12/2005 17:22:27 My toon has changed slightly since the upgrade -- different eyes and mouth. Old one is on the left, new one is on the right. Old one was smokin', new one looks like a doofus. Coincidentally, I also get stuck at the station login; the station never materializes. Alts for this account are fine. Any ideas? Looks like RMR gave her a shot of caffeine and a nose-job. Far cuter imho. No way! Old one was sultry, dreamy eyes -- looked like she'd rip it off and beat you with it if you tried anything. The new one looks like she just received a "probe" launch from the stern. Low-skill toon; I guess I'll have to terminate her.
Facetious One	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:00:00 - [488] Have to agree marcus....I think it was more like 30 hours before I could log on.... It was 24 hours...Plus 4 more hours (announced) then it ran 2 hours past that time announced before I had to wait for my cluster to boot up.....
IrenLundevall	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:00:00 - [489] Agree 100%, what a debacle
Mad Scot	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:02:00 - [490] Seems to be quite a memory leak on the go here, client starts off at about 90MB and as i write this has gone up to close to 200MB

Kleintje Pils	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:03:00 - [491] Originally by: kieron Please be patient as more than 15k other players attempt to log in to see the new features RMR has to offer. New features RMR has to offer Let me guess... LAGG !!! Laqum did not like my sig.[/orange]
OLDBILL	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:03:00 - [492] See this locked thread for another issue Clicky
Noelf	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:06:00 - [493] Because this is an improvement :) ROFL
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:06:00 - [494] I gave up when my memory consumption simply for eve reached 575Mb ... or about 3 times what it was before patch... CCP I'm no expert but its obvious some stuff that was server side has been moved to clients .... and I'm not sure its going all perfect and peachy... I can't see how memory consumption on my client can jump to 575Mb total in 1 hr from just sticking in station doing nothing but chatting with locals about the amount of lag there is...
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:07:00 - [495] database going down again - reboot happening - each hotfix seems to be working though id stick to level 1 missions instead of high risk stuff. These issues need fixing and CCP staff may now get to work through xmas. Should be much less by then however.
Dagger64	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:08:00 - [496] Hi guys wanted to let u know that CCP is taking the EVE database offline. You wont be able to log in back in the game for a while. Hope they can fix it ! Good luck CCP Peace
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:11:00 - [497] I can post what ever the hell I like, not many people will read it anyway... blah blah blah --- INFOD
zerokwel	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:11:00 - [498] shrug patch day on any online game is expected to have hickups i had my main plan of play eve today and backup plan of showing the wife i cared and finish off the painting cya guys in 8 hrz or so when the servers aint being hammered with loads of people downloading the client, forum msgs with lag threads every 30 seconds etc when i should be able to get a few hrz of lag free play. Enjoy
WarRocket Ajax	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:12:00 - [499] ok... i havent been able to log onto eve now for 3 nights in a row. i'm not too fussed about this but what would be nice would be some recognition of a problem from the customer services. You are currently training level 1 Logging On In any situation, if there is a problem it makes a big difference if the people disrupted can take comfort that something is being done. Excellent post Marcus btw
Caius LiviusCerso	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:13:00 - [500] If I manage to make a huge amount of money selling at constant best prices, does this men I'm exploiting the game??

Berneh	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:14:00 - [501] Edited by: Berneh on 16/12/2005 20:15:23 eves FƯcked ! thats my bug report. Twinkle Twinkle little star , can i macro your veldspar
Homer GAdams	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:14:00 - [502] Edited by: Homer GAdams on 16/12/2005 20:15:00 OK here is a little help if you are stucked. I made an own thread and ISD closed it right after, so i hope much of you read this (over 500 posts) !!! Here is the link to my post. It really help you if you are stucked or need ages to log in. Stucked ? Never meant to do so ...
Tsoula Chimaera	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:15:00 - [503] Originally by: Shinnen I can post what ever the hell I like, not many people will read it anyway... blah blah blah of course you can I still would suggest you relax a bit, take your dog for a walk or something... I come from SWG and i can assure you, CCP Dev's are GOLD
Jake Redburn	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:16:00 - [504] Ok I have to say...even though i have posted my opinion about the lag. that they have a lot of issues to look into and solve. So i am going to give them the time to sort it and hope everyone else will cut them some slack as well
Razin	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:16:00 - [505] Edited by: Razin on 16/12/2005 20:25:41 Originally by: Clytamnestra Originally by: Futher Bezluden <snip> Originally by: Jaxzon 1. Performance seems to have taken an odd hit. The game was stalling on a regular beat of every few seconds, which was entirely new behavior. Prior to the update it was always smooth sailing. It seems this is due to the overview resorting itself every second or so. If you have a lot of items in the overview the resorting will become a noticable chop in fps. Try hiding the overview (<tab>), scaling down the overview so that it doesn't show as many items, or sort the overview on something that won't force large changes when you resort it, i.e. not on transversal velocity :) This could only serve as a temporary workaround since scaling down or sorting by an unchanging parameter is only good for a limited number of peaceful activities. Hopefully this gets fixed ASAP, and I'm sure CCP has their bug-fixing priorities straight, even with the font mob screaming its collective lungs out.
Tiridus	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:16:00 - [506] hmm, just a few problems with connection but thats expected, anyone else get it where you launch drones, 5 come out but it only says 2 drones in space? i couldnt control them and had to manually pick the ones that survived up as they could still be targetted and shot...
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:17:00 - [507] YOU FORGOT to seed the gallente R&D agents with new BPO my 5 duvolle r&d agents are empty months now!!!! i got 300k+ reaserch points and still to get a BPO :P 150k in gallende enginiaring ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Icarie	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:17:00 - [508] wow bad day to teast out EVE. no worries thoe I am a SWG vet so i can deal with a fumbled pub. This may seam a little harsh but did SOE buy u guys during the down time. Sorry i thought a little humor would help during this time of need well love what i got to play. here is my issue. crashed undocking from staion can log in but goes to black screen after loading all i can do is bring up Esc options menu. stay strong this is going to be a long day GL.
Asphyxia Mortella	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:18:00 - [509] We're rebooting the cluster. This might get nasty, stay out of harms way, well CCP wer'e re-booting our bank acounts this could get nasty, stay out of harms way :P after being lag killed, and losing a ship full of equipment i must offer my sincere thanks for the wonderful update.
Phyra	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:18:00 - [510] Guys careful with jokes. This isnt funny at all. It's not murphy, it's your DB. And it was screwed before patch and it's still screwed. Fix it and take things seriously. It might be oh so funny for you. It's not anymore for us. DB issues on top of sloppiness with RMR in things like missing cancel function for research & manufacture, the screwed up overview settings - where you obviously forgot to include options to add npc (right: there is one single entry for them but it doesnt work and you need to include every ship type manually via right-click in space). And on top of the font that is a blatant offense to us, since a huge numbers of players had complained about it before on test-servers. This all is a bit too much. Carful now.

Seekrieg	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:18:00 - [511] I would like to add my praise for the expansion with the following caviet. Need to give at least a full weeks notice. Some of the folks in my corps still haven't got a clue - but then, that's some of the folks in my corps anyway!! Interesting glitch - My two alt characters are green lighted and in play according to the buddy list, of course this is okay, unless you consider the fact that I'm playing my main character and he isn't on according to other folks in play at the time. One of my corps mates by the way is very furious, he feels that this patch has cost several people far more time than the anticipated 24hours stated. Almost double by his calculations - he recommends that you give several million ISK to each player as recompense for lost wages. Not a bad Ideal when you think about it!
MarkX	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:19:00 - [512] OMFGWTFBBQ!
TitanKing	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:19:00 - [513] Originally by: Homer GAdams Edited by: Homer GAdams on 16/12/2005 20:15:00 OK here is a little help if you are stucked. I made an own thread and ISD closed it right after, so i hope much of you read this (over 500 posts) !!! Here is the link to my post. It really help you if you are stucked or need ages to log in. Stucked ? Delete everything inside MACHONET (leave folder behind), or delete MACHONET folder? Just confirm.
Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:20:00 - [514] Looks like its coming back up.......Right, heres the plan: you guys log on, and I'll go make myself another cup of tea. If I dont here anymore anguished rants in 5 minutes, I'll assume all is well and dive back in myself.......
Cantari	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:21:00 - [515] The usual patch day in eve is like watching a newly born Foal trying to walk for the first time. It gets to its feet, shakes a bit, takes a step then falls over, it does this for a while then finally, and shakily remains on its feet. Id challenge any other person to apply an upgrade to a piece of software as complex as eve in 26 hours, then have 15+k people try to download and log into it and pull it all off seamlessly with no problems, lag etc etc. I doubt even IBM/Microsoft could do it even if they have all of their staff working on it. Tis annoying to be lagged out of the game, ctd, not be able to open market etc etc, but it will settle down over the next few days, those of us that lived through exodus and the castor releases will understand. Cantari
Kazender	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:21:00 - [516] 1) the website is broken ... for me atleast ... I can't access the My Character section at all ... in any way whatsoever. 2) the patch is broken ... for me atleast ... i have downloaded and applied the patch 3 times now and everytime it crashes and gives an error with resDungeons.stuff I havent even managed to get in the game yet ... I can't wait to see what errors are in there ...
KHEN	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:21:00 - [517] Originally by: Shinnen I can post what ever the hell I like, not many people will read it anyway... blah blah blah Common', patch days are ever a pain, be patient an keep positive, RMR will bring you so much.
Asphyxia Mortella	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:23:00 - [518] sony online did it with the latest EQ2 patch
Eewec Ourbyni	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:24:00 - [519] Edited by: Eewec Ourbyni on 16/12/2005 20:26:18 What gets me is how the forum moderators expect the devs to be able to sort out all the indiviual issues from one giant thread... EDIT: nvm... it seems the devs have one of their own to blame for the logistical nightmare... it was a Dev who started this behemoth.
Sanaen Eydanwadh	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:24:00 - [520] Originally by: Patch86 Looks like its coming back up.......Right, heres the plan: you guys log on, and I'll go make myself another cup of tea. If I dont here anymore anguished rants in 5 minutes, I'll assume all is well and dive back in myself....... hehe that's exactly my plan too Good luck CCP, beat Murphy to death \o/ <- CCP//RMR-patchage deathmatch official cheerleader

Darky24	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:25:00 - [521] Originally by: ballobas Originally by: Marcus Sovereign While I experienced few of the problems reported in this thread prior to your most recent reboot, I am now unable to logon to the game. It takes forever just to get to the character selection screen, and once I finally get it to load and click on my character, the screen fades to black and stays that way. Note that CTRL-Q still allows me to exit the game. If I'm not mistaken, that's handled by the client... which would indicate that it's a server hang-up I'm experiencing. As much as I'd like to pat CCP and its devs on the back for a job-well-done, I'm afraid that I can't. I think it's time for you guys to revisit your testing and quality assurance methods, as they seem to be severely lacking. Oh, and I noticed this addition to your main page: "Red Moon Rising has been *successfully released* onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible." I know it's a small detail, but... 1. "successfully released" would depend on your definition of successfully... if you mean that no human lives were lost during the deployment, then I suppose you're bang on. 2. By my calculations, the deployment took 29 hours, not 26. I can understand the need for maintaining a good PR image... but being disingenous isn't the best way to accomplish this. 3. "approximitly" (sic) is spelled APPROXIMATELY; and it should be HOURS (plural, meaning more than one), and not "hour" (sic). Small things, to be sure, especially since your average 14-20 y.o. player won't notice (or care about) the mispelling. Your more mature audience, however, may equate proper spelling and grammar with the level of professionalism that CCP is trying to project. Now that that's out of the way, I do want to say that I like most of the changes that have been introduced with RMR, especially some of the refinements to the lower-end ship classes. I'm looking forward to being able to log on to the game, in order to see and experience the remaining changes. WELL SAID LMFAO Exactly, I Too Look Forward To Playing RMR, Not RLR (Red Lag Rising). What Annoys Me, Is That The Announcements For Delay Were Never In The Same Place... Its As If CCP Doesnt Want Us To See Them All. We All Expected This Secretly, But I Think Its The "Cover Up" (Like The Main Page Post) That Really Annoys People, Myself Included. At The End Of The Day, I Lost Over A Day In Trainning, I Wont Get It Back (Ive Petitioned Before About "Sudden" Server Downs). So Why Do They Have "Put Long Skills On!" On The Client? Its Not Like We Can Do Anything Now?! The Server Is Up And Down Like A Yo-Yo. When Its Up Were So Lagged We Cant Even Do Anything About It. I Played RMR For A While Today, Was Great... But Im Not Sure Its Worth This
Hex'Caliber	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:25:00 - [522] This lag is unlikely to be solely down to the release of rmr, there were already database problems prior to its deployment, causing server slowdown and restarts. Such a large update to the database as we have seen with rmr would only compound the severity of the database problems. I am sure ccp will get to the root cause of the problem, just takes time running a profiler to identify the system/systems causing the unusually heavy load on the database. It is most probably nothing more than a couple of corrupt tables, causing a recursive search to fail and dig endlessly, slowly chewing up server resources and causing everything else to grind to a halt. These things happen from time to time, it is no ones fault, $hit happens.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:25:00 - [523] Originally by: Asphyxia Mortella after being lag killed, and losing a ship full of equipment i must offer my sincere thanks for the wonderful update. There will likely come a rollback of losses for RMR like there was for Exodus within a week or two. Whatever was destroyed you'll get back. Hopefully.... Lag kills more effectively than their new doomsday weapons.
Finilie	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:26:00 - [524] Dunno if this is posted in the right spot so here it goes: Does this downtime affects the amount of days we can play with the trial version? I just started this game 3 days ago and until now its more or less waiting for the server to get back up. I realy wanne have a look if this game is any good but its not getting any easier when i either get CTD or the server is being updated wich can cause alot of downtime according to the numerous posts ive read about the rmr update. Finilie
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:26:00 - [525] Originally by: Asphyxia Mortella after being lag killed, and losing a ship full of equipment i must offer my sincere thanks for the wonderful update. There will likely come a rollback of losses for RMR like there was for Exodus within a week or two. Whatever was destroyed you'll get back. Hopefully.... Lag kills more effectively than their new doomsday weapons.
TitanKing	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:26:00 - [526] Do we have a chance to get additional "Free Day(s) Trial" during this period? Coz I just be here half a day before RMR and facing this situation. I just start learning EVE and in love with everything. Please don't throw me away.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:28:00 - [527] Edited by: Embattle on 16/12/2005 20:28:58 I can't help but feel that the whining here is actually worse than in WoW, which I didn't think I would see. The only people who have really worked hard for RMR are those at CCP and they are to be commended for producing a complex piece of programming that offers a lot of promise but at the moment is suffering a few issues....all of which will be fixed eventually. I too, like many, had a tough day at work and was looking forward to having a little play with some of the new features of RMR but I also accept such problems were always likely to occur and will quite happily wait for them to be resolved....I'll do it with the thought that a number of people at CCP most probably worked very hard recently and continue to do so. Stop the whining and endless useless threads.....the end result will be worth the wait. ----------- I would have a sig but it might break a arm, leg or even worse a rule.
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:28:00 - [528] it's bugged to hell and the devs dont care --- INFOD
Britannica	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:30:00 - [529] new ships and modules - I think most are good ideas and I'd like to see them in game new defense settings - I like the small resists active hardeners give and the extra HPwill be fun to test new NPCs and NPC actions - finally missions become more interesting, even if it is a bit more other new ideas, e.g. drone nerf - will be nice to see the results of these other ideas and new settings in play current lag - after cold war there were lag issues and plenty of dissconnects for me so I expected lag this time just not this bad. once lag is sorted I'll really explore what RMR has to offer
Caius LiviusCerso	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:30:00 - [530] Hello, I don't know if anyone noticed, the notification on RMR says 'free content patch expansion'0 etc... I started to play eve because a friend told me Eve always will be financed on subscription, not on charging new content. Does this mean it will change soon? I stopped playing WOW with many others when they decided (despite previous notifications) that they will charge us for the expansion. The protests were huge. I wanted your comments...

Pwny McPwnerson	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:30:00 - [531] People need to calm down. Go read a book until this all gets worked out. It's not the end of the world if you can't play EVE for a couple days.
Salvini	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:30:00 - [532] Ah, It's a game. It's a free expansion. A lot of you are acting as if you're major stockholders..lol. Well, I came here to see how the patch took...some of the forum posters here are causing me stress and I don't even work at CCP. Relax...find something else to do, get a copy of Freelancer or X3 up and running...or go outside :P Every single MMO has unexpected problems after patches. It's a ton of code and data to sift through, and the beta tests get the majority of those problems worked out. But until time machines are invented, this is the way it'll be no matter what game you're playing...learn to deal with it :P If you're on a "well we're paying customers" high horse remember that this expansion is coming at no extra cost...actually think of it this way...if the servers were down for 3 days you could argue that the patch would be costing you at the very most 1 dollar and 40 cents. At the least your patience would be a buck-o-five... The same cost as freedom :)
codemaster28	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:31:00 - [533] Not sure if this is the right post to put this in but i have had a great idea. Seems to me that as soon as the server goes up it jumps from 0 players upto 2000 then up to 4000 and carrys on upto all the players but in the meantime people are getting stuck and many more problems, so in short the servers are suffering not only from database issues but the amount of requests made to it at a given time. Solution:- (Just an idea no need to flame me about this part ) If the server starts up and it lets 2000 people connect then hold connections for 2-3 mins untill the 2000 can got online the allow 2000 more connections etc etc, now this would be to allow the servers time to bring the players upto speed as fast as possible instead of 15k+ players all hitting connect at the same time. Iam not sure the servers suffer from 15k+ connections all hitting it at the same time but that many will surely cause something to start slowing down. Iam sure players wouldnt mind waiting 2-3 mins if they knew they could come onto a nice fast server and get straight into the game play as soon as they get on. i myself wouldnt mind a 10 minute wait as long as i knew all would be fine when i got in, hell i could go make a nice cuppa tea or teach my parrot to say "CCP" in the meantime.
Selene Amarra	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:31:00 - [534] Originally by: Salvini Ah, It's a game. It's a free expansion. A lot of you are acting as if you're major stockholders..lol. Well, I came here to see how the patch took...some of the forum posters here are causing me stress and I don't even work at CCP. Relax...find something else to do, get a copy of Freelancer or X3 up and running...or go outside :P Every single MMO has unexpected problems after patches. It's a ton of code and data to sift through, and the beta tests get the majority of those problems worked out. But until time machines are invented, this is the way it'll be no matter what game you're playing...learn to deal with it :P If you're on a "well we're paying customers" high horse remember that this expansion is coming at no extra cost...actually think of it this way...if the servers were down for 3 days you could argue that the patch would be costing you at the very most 1 dollar and 40 cents. At the least your patience would be a buck-o-five... The same cost as freedom :) Dear god, whatever you do, don't buy a copy of X3 - unless you really want to see what "patch issues" look like
Sashi Romanenko	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:34:00 - [535] Originally by: Asphyxia Mortella sony online did it with the latest EQ2 patch EQ2 is a sharded game, like every other major MMORPG. Apples/Oranges
Aba Tor	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:35:00 - [536] I downloaded the patch 3 times... everytime i get checksum error! for christ's sake! 3 times!! with 3 different download managers... Ahhhhhhhhhhh *hate off now really can anyone help?
Patch86	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:35:00 - [537] Originally by: Finilie Dunno if this is posted in the right spot so here it goes: Does this downtime affects the amount of days we can play with the trial version? I just started this game 3 days ago and until now its more or less waiting for the server to get back up. I realy wanne have a look if this game is any good but its not getting any easier when i either get CTD or the server is being updated wich can cause alot of downtime according to the numerous posts ive read about the rmr update. Finilie You can always get a new free-trial account. More importantly, are we paying subscribers going to be reimbursed at all? If we cant play the game for 3 days, surely we shouldn't pay for 3 days; I say CCP should make ammends for their mild botch-job by creditting all of our accounts for 3 days free. That way at least I wouldn't feel like I'm being cheated out of what I'm paying for.......
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:35:00 - [538] instead of x3 i brought civ 4 instead now can those australians finally take over the world
Martin Gore	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:36:00 - [539] I keep seeing people logging on i.e x amount of players logged in increasing. But I cannot connect "The EVE cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt (hahahhaha) at this time"??? What's this new thing then ?
Mav Medicare	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:36:00 - [540] Do you know what i'm is getting to me more than anything else, All i wanted to do was dock at a station but couldn't, other than that yeah loveing the all of five min playing time in the last 4 days. It means i get to watch the whole firelfy series again, oh and at the moment since they shut the server down i have watch 1 whole episode, it was a good one. Well good luck with fixing it but i think it will be a V looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg time before it is running properly so find a tv series and start watching. Oh much respect for the new addon I will enjoy it when it is working hehehehe, aww reminds me of my uni programming days nothing ever works first time.

Callistus	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:37:00 - [541] RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Coreli Corporation Mainframe
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:38:00 - [542] aba Tor i got the checksum error - solution i found put the patch in the folder that has youre eve executible instead of just anywhere it needs the directory in which eve is installed to install properly without jamming up
Farscape Hw	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:39:00 - [543] i posted this in another topic but didnt get a responce. somone please help me out here. "Before RMR patch, my graphics quality was perfect. But now it is horribly choppy and broken up images when you toggle your screen around, almost to the point its is unplayable. Ive tryed reinstalling the patch serveral times, ive tryed downloading the client again twice, and ive tried uninstalling eve completly and installing it again fresh. Ive also played with my graphics settings on desktop and in game, and every setting is the same with the choppyness even with poor settings and no effects or sound on. Ive even tryed unplugging my video card and running eve from my integrated video, and still no luck. Anyone got any ideas? Also plz ccp plzplzplz put the font back to the way it was, that looks like crap."
Shinnen	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:39:00 - [544] I got told to write here saying that I was offensive to the forum people bai --- INFOD
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:40:00 - [545] well this thread has a purpose instead of starting lots of new ones have one big one that the devs can ready bugreports and other bugs that are happening ingame it helps them pinpoint areas of trouble that need hotfixing to bring RMR up online quicker.
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:41:00 - [546] Well, along with many other things, the "stability" feature was not yet ready for deployment with the "Red Moon Rising" patch. I have it on good authority (a little pixie named harold who wears hobnail boots and whispers in my ear) that it has been provisionally penciled in to be left out of "kali" as well due to time and lack of beer constraints.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:41:00 - [547] Originally by: Farscape Hw i posted this in another topic but didnt get a responce. somone please help me out here. "Before RMR patch, my graphics quality was perfect. But now it is horribly choppy and broken up images when you toggle your screen around, almost to the point its is unplayable. Ive tryed reinstalling the patch serveral times, ive tryed downloading the client again twice, and ive tried uninstalling eve completly and installing it again fresh. Ive also played with my graphics settings on desktop and in game, and every setting is the same with the choppyness even with poor settings and no effects or sound on. Ive even tryed unplugging my video card and running eve from my integrated video, and still no luck. Anyone got any ideas? Also plz ccp plzplzplz put the font back to the way it was, that looks like crap." The poor fps is probably due to the lagginess of the data transfer ie 3 minutes to undock or jump - warping and then the grahpics catching up - numerous hotfixes and perhaps a client side mini patch should fix it. U sound like u have a good enough grahpics card perhaps its not u atm
zlider	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:41:00 - [548] When FPS is come back ???
Duke Danger	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:42:00 - [549] FONTS, again..
Phyra	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:42:00 - [550] bad luck mate: better get a new trial account after the weekend. Set up a new char with the better knowledge you have then. Make the new char have high perc, high int and so that you start out with frig 4 (and after trial get a full account, welcome to eve)

Sykosys	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:42:00 - [551] So far soo good with my connection and my gameplaying. I got stuck in Abudban but a quick re-log sorted that. 1 thing though where are the mining foreman skills?? Have they been released yet?? SYKOSYS _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
Cobalt Gris	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:43:00 - [552] A blood vessle in my right eye just popped trying to read the new font... or not.
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:44:00 - [553] Change the font PLEASE -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up...
Razor Jaxx	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:44:00 - [554] Not sure if this is the proper place to post this. These aren't as much issues as they're minor bugs, or discrepancies from what was announced in the patch notes. Minor bugs : - Drone control. Using the "Return to drone bay" function, some drones sometimes just linger just outside of scooping range, and approach your ship extremely slowly. Drones are however automatically scooped up when your ship gets within scooping range through manual flight. - Ship "pinned down" for no apparent reason. On one occurence, my ship would refuse to approach a target as assigned, and kept slowly spinning around at < 1 m/s. Initiating then cancelling warp fixed the issue, was able to move normally again. Could be a deadly bug in the middle of hectic combat, or if warp scrambled. - One particular NPC pirate entity inactive. Arch Angel Webifiers are inactive in deadspace - they lock you, but do not approach, fire, or activate any modules, and remain at very low speed (49 m/s). Not that I complain though. Discrepancies from patch notes : - Loot tables. Unfortunately, on many occasions I found frigate- or cruiser-sized loot in (mission deadspace) battleship cans. Have the loot tables been fixed for all entities, or only for "regular" (ie non-deadspace) space entities?
Martin Gore	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:45:00 - [555] Anyone else not being able to even log in.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:45:00 - [556] Originally by: Duke Danger FONTS, again.. 1240x1048 the font is quite readable Lower screen resolutions perhaps several selectible fonts will be made available down the track
Farscape Hw	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:46:00 - [557] here are my system specs, 3.2ghz p4, 1gig ddram, 1.5MB dsl, g-force 6600 pci-e 256ddr vid card. its not a poor fps issue, its the image is choppy and broken when you move the screen around. and when you try to take a screenshot of it, it shows perfect with no broken pics. if you are not moving your ship or screen, it looks great, if you move the screen slowly its not as bad but it still has lines of folded screenage.
Nicholai Pestot	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:46:00 - [558] You can always tell who are the players that were not here for the last patch. A few server hiccups and everyone starts running round screaming 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling'. Give it a few days and all will be settled. Set a long skill training and take it easy. I think we pay what works out to just over 1.06p an hour, so so far CCP owes us each about 30p -------------------------------------- I have supped the milk of human kindness, and discovered i am lactose intolerant
Galaxion	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:47:00 - [559] Annoying hearing everyone ingame on TS and still getting the "cluster is starting up and cannot service your login" grrr -----------------------------------------
Sarmaul	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:48:00 - [560] Before RMR: /emote hugs his rmr rupture would produce Quote: [20:45:32] * Sarmaul hugs his rmr rupture post-RMR, it's now Quote: [20:45:32] Sarmaul * hugs his rmr rupture Originally by: Testy McTest Artillery Extreme Ammo - fires typhoons that launch claws with autocannons that launch guys in space suits that have machine guns that fire ninjas

Farscape Hw	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:50:00 - [561] Also, my average frame per second rate is 109 running 1 account and 79 running 2 accounts.
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:51:00 - [562] Every time i start eve i get black screen, the only way to get past it is to delete teh cache folder, this gets me in, but when i quit eve i have to del the cahce folder to get the log in screen up other wise i jsut get the black box, I have to do this every time i start eve. CCP I had had faith in you up untill 10 mins ago or so i ahd a skill traning which finshed in 4 hours, but i have just felt the need to switch to bs lvl4 :( ------------------------------------------------- Contribute to the buy Hohenheim a carrier fund in game now!
Niaski Zalani	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:51:00 - [563] Originally by: Farscape Hw Also, my average frame per second rate is 109 running 1 account and 79 running 2 accounts. /me claps Good for you. I can't even log in.
Oyenia	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:52:00 - [564] Hm !? How long does it take to reboot the cluster ? one year ?
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:53:00 - [565] just managed to get ingame then was kicked only to be told that the server was still starting up? if it was still starting how did i get ingame in the first place?
Spyn	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:56:00 - [566] Why does the front page say that RMR deployment took 2 hours longer than expected? To my knowledge, TQ came up at 2am - making it 30 hours (6 more than estimated). I would also seriously question calling the patch a "success" at the moment. I'm sure it will be within a day or two when the devs fix everything, but an unplayable situation is not a success by any stretch of the imagination.
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2005.12.16 20:59:00 - [567] Originally by: Martin Gore Anyone else not being able to even log in. You're not the only one. A lot of people are having problems logging in, though it could be that they're "throttling" logins to ensure that the servers don't explode when 18000 people all try to login at once. Can't confirm without dev input though. All I can say is that I'm glad I had the foresight to start training a 30 hour skill when they announced the reboot. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Aora	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:03:00 - [568] Ok, so my thread was locked. I cant even play the game. If I had some minor issue like lag or a small bug I would of posted it here, but I cant even get into the game. Nice first empressions of this mmorpg. Copy and pasted from my thread. I had the jump bug, so I relogged but now I am unable to log in, it gets to the end of loading the "Entering game as Aora" bit, then just sticks there. I can log in on my other charaters. Ive tried removing the cache folder, didnt help. Bumping.. Still can't get past "Entering game as Aora". This is after then two downtimes. And after trying everything Ive been told to try so far.
Zonthos	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:05:00 - [569] I really don't like the font. Having trouble in my items hanger seeing if it's a 8 or a 9, sucks when your trying to figure how much in millions of minerals you got cuz of that. Seems alot of people are coming out of lower secs cuz they can't deal with the NPC's anymore with their mining ships. I really can't seem to understand how this is gonna help people span out over the gaming univers. Seeing rats at 40km and 2 seconds later 3000 meters from you is silly, I just wanted to throw out my railguns. Only one dropped a speed enchancing device a 1 mn afterburner, so why did all the other rats close in so fast?. I was able to mine for about 4 hours, I'm on the verge of being frustrated while playing. Frustrated players don't renew too often...
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:10:00 - [570] Originally by: Zonthos I really don't like the font. Having trouble in my items hanger seeing if it's a 8 or a 9, sucks when your trying to figure how much in millions of minerals you got cuz of that. Seems alot of people are coming out of lower secs cuz they can't deal with the NPC's anymore with their mining ships. I really can't seem to understand how this is gonna help people span out over the gaming univers. Seeing rats at 40km and 2 seconds later 3000 meters from you is silly, I just wanted to throw out my railguns. Only one dropped a speed enchancing device a 1 mn afterburner, so why did all the other rats close in so fast?. I was able to mine for about 4 hours, I'm on the verge of being frustrated while playing. Frustrated players don't renew too often... I am sorry everyone some people are having problems. Now, on to your next issue. I think it may be time that you bring escorts with you, when you mine. Just a thought here. I understand that a lot of you people want to play the game. How about you go outside take a breath of fresh air or maybe even read a book.

velocoraptor	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:10:00 - [571] I'm fairly new to EVE. Just 15 days into the game i experienced patching to Cold War and that was troublesome to be honest. Still, during the following days it went better and better. In other words, stop whinning people, you cannot judge RMR during its first days of deployment (there's a thread "let's accept rmr failled" ffs). Having said that, I DO believe that ccp should maybe try a it harder and fix most problems soon, so we can enjoy the new content during the weekend. As for compensation? Well, 2-3 days would amount to 1-2 Ç for each one, but i guess CCP could extend all registrations for 2-3 as a gesture of goodwill, especially for those ppl that find that amount significant (I'm not one of them, but I can respect that). Anyways, I hate my 50m3 drone bay Thorax, but I like most of the new features I've managed to see, so fix the server and let us explore this new EVE
Babael Aroich	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:12:00 - [572] Not a bug report as such, mainly because I dont have the information. When i first started playing i managed to get two skills being trained at the same time. I wasnt aware you can only have one and the character has now been deleted. Basically my character was on that very stage of finishing training to the next lvl. Then i crashed. I logged back in and trained another skill. It now said two skills were training. Which they were. Poor information I know but hopefully you could look into. Im also kinda aware this is the wrong place to post it
Galaxion	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:13:00 - [573] Jumping into ec-p8r gets you stuck. Just a heads up. -----------------------------------------
Tharrn	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:15:00 - [574] Is it just me or has the lag returned about ten minutes after rebooting? ------------------------------------------------------
DonTrump	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:16:00 - [575] I cant play my 2 accts together anymore due to cpu and memory issues now. If CCP gave out a GB of ram with the patch I might not be so unhappy
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:16:00 - [576] Go to map - select to show all pilots in space, zoom so you can aproximately see 90% of galaxy, press ctrl+tab to hide windows... After that it is impossible to do anything, excepting moving the mouse on the screen, and also it is not freezed. My task manager says it's still running as normal. _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Syris Anu	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:21:00 - [577] Going to put this here in case someone keeps a running tally of new issues reported: In space, I used to see nearby asteroid icons in the general dispaly (not overview). This no longer happens even if I: 1. Add Asteroid Belts to overview. 2. Hold down (right) alt. Previous behavior where belts around the current planet showed in the general display vastly preferred.
Vaedian GER	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:22:00 - [578] Jumped into Madirmilire and got stuck. Never touch a running system.
Farscape Hw	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:24:00 - [579] Originally by: Tharrn Is it just me or has the lag returned about ten minutes after rebooting? yea after a couple jumps after logging in im majored lagged out again.
Findail	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:28:00 - [580] Couple of bugs: 1. Jumping suffers from noticable lag. Local channel takes quite a while to update and switch to current system. Lag is on a similar level to a moderate sized fleet movement 2. Directx - glitches appearing on display, usually near jump gates. May account for a lot of the CTD's people are complaining of.

Cobalt Gris	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:39:00 - [581] Edited by: Cobalt Gris on 16/12/2005 21:42:01 Here's another great addition to the game. If your hull is damaged past a certain point and you dock, you can't leave (as your ship is too damaged to use) considering how much it costs to repair the hull of a BS and considering I need those mid-slots to fight, not hold a hull repairer everywhere I go, I think this should be changed back to the old system. The not being able to undock with a broken ship might be realistic, but flying through planets is not so throw me a freakin' bone here! Please?
J'inn	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:48:00 - [582] Originally by: Cobalt Gris Edited by: Cobalt Gris on 16/12/2005 21:42:01 Here's another great addition to the game. If your hull is damaged past a certain point and you dock, you can't leave (as your ship is too damaged to use) considering how much it costs to repair the hull of a BS and considering I need those mid-slots to fight, not hold a hull repairer everywhere I go, I think this should be changed back to the old system. The not being able to undock with a broken ship might be realistic, but flying through planets is not so throw me a freakin' bone here! Please? This liitle gem was already in the game. I ran into it myself about a month ago. It truly suck when you are docked at a station with no repair facilities. However, there is hope. I slapped a bunch of inertial stabs and other mods on my ship to help with the structural situation. After some various tries I got a set up that made my hull secure enough that the game let me undock. I was the able to fly to a where repairs could be done. (Although I just grabbed a hull repairer at that station and fixed it myself) _________________ What's that? You live out in the Hinterlands of Eve, 0.0 space, and you need quality supplies, not to mention actual extra soft toliet paper. Call Snickers' today! We deliver!
Drahcir Nasom	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:52:00 - [583] Does anyone know the answer to this question. When I try to buy anything off the market I just get a blank buy window. I have cleared everything from my cache except the Settings folder and prefs.ini, and following on from another suggestion I even deleted the pc.dat file in the settings folder. What do I need to do so that I can actually buy stuff? Drahcir
Zafon	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:53:00 - [584] Bug / strange behaviour report:- In a station, zoom out from your ship (beyond an as yet undetermined distance) and right click, for instance to open your cargo hold, and nothing happens at all. Zoom in closer (again an undetermined distance, but close is good <g>) and right clicking works.
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:54:00 - [585] Items that you have bought and paid for do not appear in your items screen.
starjax	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:58:00 - [586] scoulerz, ansalle and several other systems appear to missing the astroid fields. they do not show up on the overview at all.
ballobas	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:59:00 - [587] The green square that your buddies should have dosnet work when my buddies are online its RED insted of GREEN... Fix that when you HAVE TIME
Schmug	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:59:00 - [588] its prob the lagg, was working fine earlier Poddypoddypod
SGXiphias	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:59:00 - [589] Just offlined a mod and a POS and onlined one. It still takes cap?! Wasnt it supposed to not pull from you cap?
Walter Model	Posted - 2005.12.16 21:59:00 - [590] Font is more difficult to read than the old font. "If the tanks succeed, then victory follows.", Guderian, 1937.

Cerberal	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:00:00 - [591] Logging in wasnt too fun, but i set all my graphics settings to their lowest and turned off any extras. Turned off my sound. Not a single disconnect or problem since (other than the fact it looks a little crappy)
Cobalt Gris	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:00:00 - [592] Originally by: J'inn Originally by: Cobalt Gris Edited by: Cobalt Gris on 16/12/2005 21:42:01 Here's another great addition to the game. If your hull is damaged past a certain point and you dock, you can't leave (as your ship is too damaged to use) considering how much it costs to repair the hull of a BS and considering I need those mid-slots to fight, not hold a hull repairer everywhere I go, I think this should be changed back to the old system. The not being able to undock with a broken ship might be realistic, but flying through planets is not so throw me a freakin' bone here! Please? This liitle gem was already in the game. I ran into it myself about a month ago. It truly suck when you are docked at a station with no repair facilities. However, there is hope. I slapped a bunch of inertial stabs and other mods on my ship to help with the structural situation. After some various tries I got a set up that made my hull secure enough that the game let me undock. I was the able to fly to a where repairs could be done. (Although I just grabbed a hull repairer at that station and fixed it myself) Thanks for the tip, I'll try that out.
Schmug	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:02:00 - [593] Originally by: Cerberal Logging in wasnt too fun, but i set all my graphics settings to their lowest and turned off any extras. Turned off my sound. Not a single disconnect or problem since (other than the fact it looks a little crappy) Where is the fun in playing crappy eve, get a better comp ;) Poddypoddypod
Yakha	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:02:00 - [594] Originally by: Acbuyer I just feel everything is so slow in RMR: open windows, chat, fly, dock, trade...everything. That makes me feel that my heart beating slower :( I am going to train my large mining barge and come back next week. This is, by far my main complaint. Even immediately after the patch when you could do anything you wanted with little to no lag, anything involving being in a station took forever. The market window especially is extremely bugged - just play around with it for 3 minutes and see how many times you can get it to mess up or act in an odd fashion. Selecting all the items in your hangar and then right clicking on them has a delay of about 45 seconds until the RMB menu pops up. During this time frame, FPS drops as well, so it can only be assumed that its recursively going through every single item to see if there's any deviation in the menus - that's ridiculous. Just use whatever item is currently moused over, as that seemed to work fine before. Back to the market window, it will remember which individual "greyboxes" you selected, such as afterburners, microwarpdrives, etc. and automatically expand those every time you visit its parent. It makes navigating the market a tremendous pain, much more so than it should be. On the upside, the checkbox for available items responds much faster than before. Damage controls being activated is quite weird - if it only uses 1 energy, just make it passive. There's no point unless you get totally drained of cap, in which case the resists won't save you from the guys trying to kill you. The Science & Industry tab is really funky. It will allow you to select stations that the currently selected blueprint isn't in, and try to start a run there. Just restrict the number of stations to the station that particular blueprint is in, eh? It's not like we can magically transport our blueprints around, so I can't even see the benefit of selecting a station. Sell orders are bugged, if you haven't noticed. I currently have a total of -2/13 orders available as I have put 15 items on the market since the patch. I don't mind or anything, but it's a tremendous exploit that still isn't patched. Switching ships doesn't work at all during lag now. If I switch from a cruiser to a frigate, my frigate shows up with a bunch of cruiser guns on it, and if I select it and open its cargo hold, I see my cruiser's cargo hold. While seeing guns a quarter the size of my ship plastered all over a frigate is pretty neat, it's also really frustrating. The mission problems were touched on in another thread - 100k for fighting waves of enemies? It doesn't matter if you determine the reward based on the average amount of time it takes to complete the mission or not (not to mention that this hurts soloers when people can plow through missions with friends in fractions of the tmie). Give missions a base payout, at least for the new ones, and then see how it goes. I can't help but wonder why the new shield resist skills have so many more prerequisites ... to train the new shield resist skills, I have to train Engineering to IV, then Tactical Shield Manipulation to IV, and THEN I can train the skills. Shield tanking was already heavily gimped in previous patches - making armor tankers only have to train one skil to IV is really, really, unfair to those Caldari people who already have to rely on the questionable ability of missiles to blow stuff up on most of their ships anymore, especially without the 5 or 6 individual missile skills trained, as opposed to the two-three skills you need to make guns work well. Caldari definetly needs some love lately, as they've been getting kicked in the face a lot lately, especially the new players. I'd write more but I only have 200 characters left so I'll give the soapbox to someone else.
Horpyat	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:07:00 - [595] Also, when using stargates, the trail behind your ship remains even though you "cloak" or whatever after jumping. It's pretty hilarious with instas as your trail is about 15 kilometers long and just doesn't go away. Just a graphical bug but whatever.
Siobhan Ni	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:12:00 - [596] Before the patch i was logged off in space at a safe spot. I logon today and try to warp and get: 2005.12.16 22:07:58 You cannot do that because you have somehow overloaded your drone bay. It fits 75.00 units but somehow 85.00 has been squeezed in. Can some one tow me?
Mitram	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:18:00 - [597] - Monster bubbles in the map, hides everything, especially in empire. - logon indicator stays at red if you login after your "friend". (even if you are in the same system and even if you joined his gang ...) - No cloaking/decloaking sound for you or others around you when you cloak/decloak. - belts have most the time no indicators in space and once you see the indicators in space and you warp to a new planet you don't see the indicator of the new belts but still the indicators of the old belts even if the 20 AU away. The belt indicator show up after you open and close the map btw. but only for the nearest planet. When you warp to a new planet you again see no belt indicator in space. - Opening people&places first time after client-start takes 1 Minute and 30 Seconds or more. Opening it after the first time takes about 6 seconds. - Viewing "employment history" for the first time takes like 10-20 seconds. - Considerable fps drop specially when fighting new npc types. (50% less fps)
Alustrious Killer	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:20:00 - [598] Is tranquility running right now? Because the way you guys are talking, it would seem as you are playing. =X
Mitram	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:20:00 - [599] Originally by: Siobhan Ni Before the patch i was logged off in space at a safe spot. I logon today and try to warp and get: 2005.12.16 22:07:58 You cannot do that because you have somehow overloaded your drone bay. It fits 75.00 units but somehow 85.00 has been squeezed in. Can some one tow me? You have to launch some drones and scoop them into your cargo hold. Then you can move again.
Cerberal	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:28:00 - [600] Originally by: Schmug Originally by: Cerberal Logging in wasnt too fun, but i set all my graphics settings to their lowest and turned off any extras. Turned off my sound. Not a single disconnect or problem since (other than the fact it looks a little crappy) Where is the fun in playing crappy eve, get a better comp ;) rofl, just put in 2ghz more ram in today. My framerate is through the roof prettymuch, but this way i can see whats lagging and whats not. And so far, no probs

Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:28:00 - [601] So CCP, Any ETA on the releace of the other new mining skills?
QSquared	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:34:00 - [602] Seriously. Lag kills: Fun, friends, future. Stop the lag. kick everyone off except me ;-) I promise not to lag no, seriously, address the lag issue my computer is less then a year old and I used to get 25-30 fps in space with multiple clients running opn it at once. Now I can't seem to get that in station. for paying you guys $700 a year I expect I won't have to replace my compouter twice a year to play your game! ~Q A Nod is as good as a wink to a blind bat! ;-) ~Q (http://www.TheKnightsTemplar.us)
Shaks	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:36:00 - [603] Edited by: Shaks on 16/12/2005 22:37:58 the most annoying thing i'm experiencing with rmr are graphic hickups. no matter if i'm alone in space, or near a station with 15+ players around it, it always looks like this never had this before rmr, it doesn't make me wanna play atm :\ lowering the graphicsettings didn't help, or trying an other driver now running with winxp, p4 3ghz, 1gb ddr 400mhz, 6600gt with 81.95 (also tried older ones)
Kaledon Brown	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:45:00 - [604] I love the new UI polish although I would still like an option to turn lighting off in the UI and the overview font brightness should be adjustable including the background and foreground. Personally I love the new font because I run in 1024x768 and the reduction in size has made all windows look much much better including the combat window which doesn't overlap anything now. Plus the font reminds me of all the old school space games it just fits the mold. Might be hard to read in uber high res though. I really don't see any new turret effects although I am assuming it was moved to client side to keep from bogging the server down. I noticed alot of other stuff had their effects changed which is cool some new eye candy. I like how when ya turn effects off now I can still hear my engines assuming I'm playing with sound on. The server itself seems to be running very well as everything is very snappy and quick to respond (At least it was this morning). Framerates seem to be down though. I definantly notice a decrease in overall framerates especially in combat where it seems to skip around quite a bit and in general feels very chunky. My research costs have went up and I am really not researching anything special which is kind of dissapointing. Definantly going to be alot more costly for new players to get their industries going. I noticed ammo size was reduced which is great. As for the rest of the changes well it's just too early for me to comment. So far so good but I definantly need to upgrade my PC to the best hardware on the market in order to play it properly.
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:48:00 - [605] Is there some new lighting effect in stations? I'm getting a weird blue "glow" from the lights that comes and goes. I don't have it set to rotate, but if I just leave the view on my ship (fairly close up) it acts like the lights around it are moving. It'll briefly get rather bright and overlap the ship image, then go away. It's pretty much the effect you'd get if you were spinning the station lights around the ship slowly (and they were rather bright and close to the camera). But, as I said -- neither the ship nor the camera are moving.
Hale Haleson	Posted - 2005.12.16 22:55:00 - [606] Edited by: Hale Haleson on 16/12/2005 22:55:58 Can anyone not see the latest patch on the patches page besides me? I've cleared cookies and my browser's cache and its still not there. I get 1% increase per patch download attempt in game if I'm lucky. Can you make alternate locations to download the patch more clear to find? I'd love to ***** about problems with the new patch, but I'm still trying to download it. ------------------------------------------------
Raze Core	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:02:00 - [607] Problems logging in, won't connect to the server I get a message that reads: "Could not connect to the specified address.ááOdds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong." Also the handshake progress bar seems sluggish. If I do get to log in I CTD after 10-20mins. Not good.
Calenth	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:06:00 - [608] I still can't use unicode symbols i my ship names.
Malagnia	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:11:00 - [609] I am getting horrible slowness with everything, not even breaking 10 fps I think, don't remember...getting booted out often, graphical hiccups, the market is a disastor, and worst of all, almost every single time I leave a station, the screen goes black and doesnt come up ever! Please fix all this, I loved it pre-patch and now I cant play!
Kael D'mende	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:14:00 - [610] good job destroying the game... /Kael

Siren Shiva	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:17:00 - [611] The FPS issues, CTD's and getting stuck when jumping have been mentioned, so... My constructive complaint would be that my locator agent asks for a name, but never gives me the option to pay him anymore. I can give him a name several times, but the search never happens.
Jeffor	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:27:00 - [612] The stations in the area I am in have strange yellow spots, and I can see a yellow shine leak out of the corners of the systems I have been in around Ziriert.
Smokem	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:28:00 - [613] Lost a launcher hardpoint on the Celestis and gained a medium slot - lets roll this back, made a near useless ship almost completely useless now - would have been better to simply add the medium slot and thereby expand the possibilities Give us some font choices
Culmen	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:33:00 - [614] I just lost 20 minutes of trainign time, because i decided to switch my skills i kept getting this message Your brain, while quite capable of performing many tasks, is still recovering from the ardor of your last skill learning. Please let your neural receptors rest for up to a minute before training again. Waited 5, didnt work, waited 10, still logged out and logged on, didnt work did it again, this time i could reset my skills but just in case im leaving a 3 days skill on, till they finish fixing everything
Ixion	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:36:00 - [615] When you open the fitting screen, and other windows (chat, inventory, etc.) are on top of the screen, you used to be able to L-click in the upper left corner of the fitting screen (near the screen graphics), and have the fitting screen jump to the top above all other windows. This is no longer possible, and is causing me a great deal of aggrivation.
lahoj	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:36:00 - [616] I have the same problem Malagnia described in post 631. Last time I was able to enter the game I tried to leave station in a shuttle. Screen went black and stayed so forever. I can start the game and do character selection, but I get a black screen when ever I try to enter the game.
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [617] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [618] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [619] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [620] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!

ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [621] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [622] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [623] rolback the vexor specs!! Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and +1 extra Drone controlled per level. to Special Ability: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level and 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield per skill level. +1 drone u can use for mining II drones!!
ThaHandy	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:38:00 - [624] Edited by: ThaHandy on 16/12/2005 23:39:41 lololol, oeps slow forum =] hasty
Xajo	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:41:00 - [625] Edited by: Xajo on 16/12/2005 23:42:31 right i dont know if this is an issue or just an intended part of the game but, i was just fighting a webber (frig) and it was webbed and doing 30m/s i was using 4 cruise missiles, 2 torps, 4 drones, 2 heavy nos and it still was not dropping. i was doing 15hp damage on cruise and torps. this cant be right! anybody else got this problem?
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:51:00 - [626] On my previous BUG, about the BPO not dropping into the hangar, it only happens occasionally...I had one drop out to the hangar, and one required clicking the "Deliver" button to return it to the hangar. I submitted a BUG report on it..but wanted everyone to know the workaround. ----------
Dakath	Posted - 2005.12.16 23:57:00 - [627] I have my main and one of my alts online at the same time now. The display, friends, guests (same station) have the red light on, as if both of us were offline. Can you say FUBAR? I thought you could! Solo playing is a valid play style. Or at least CCP thinks the money they get is valid.
Choobakka	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:00:00 - [628] Cloak bug / nerf. Tested on covert ops. After jump into the gate reactivation timer is not resetting. So we now have 2 covert ops "features": 1) You cannot activate your cloak on the other side of the gate without moving (old problem); 2) You cannot reactivate cloak on the other side untill reactivation timer is at 0 (new problem);
Somatic Neuron	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:15:00 - [629] BUG: There is no way, by looking at the Science and Industry Blueprints tabs, to tell if you are looking at a BPC or BPO, or how many runs are available, or the ME or PE of the BP. Could you look into fixing this please? WORKAROUND: View Info on each BP before you use it. ----------
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:16:00 - [630] Interesting bug: Sitting in belt mining. Rat shows up and is murderated by other player. I get paid for it. hmmmm... on second thoughts ignore the above, its fine, not a bug at all.

Allan Robertson	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:23:00 - [631] Hi, the only issue I have with RMR is now my heavy drones don't kill frigs :( I would rather not use guns and waste high slots fitting small blasters, or carry some light/med drones, is there any work arounds I could use?
Kronarty	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:23:00 - [632] Sansha Savage Lord (BS size NPC) drops Medium Beam (Frig size loot)
res0nance	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:26:00 - [633] Doesn't seem to bad at all - in my opinion the font is perfectly readable and gives the game a more sci-fi look and feel.
Partisan Ograe	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:32:00 - [634] Edited by: Partisan Ograe on 17/12/2005 00:33:23 No skills for sell in the Khanid Region and where is the Mining upgrade skill? Edit: Yes i've looked for the mining upgrade skill in other regions and its no there either. So, I like mining, whats the big deal?
Legio XIII	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:42:00 - [635] Seems to me with all the bugs...3582 might be an idea... Oh, and apart from CTD'ing, Agression Countdown appears when shooting rats, crashed whole PC when clicked on variaton tab on market item... Nice science and industry though
chinook	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:48:00 - [636] I think main problem is devs totaly rushed this patch what was big hurry? Why didnt they take the time to get patch right before enabling it? It must have been part of mainstream rush to get something different added to game for christmas to keep players from playing other new christmas products. Like new game additions but have to give D- for deployment.
MWEI	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:50:00 - [637] Ok, heres some problem Server down / up /down constantly, 26 hours you say? more like 48 or more depending on how long before you stablize it Who came up with the idea to add EW ability into common rats? There are special webber rats, scrambler rats, why do common cruiser spawns all have ECM? Server is not updating my skills. I just finished training Heavy Missiles to level 4 (painful 3 days), I just got a mail notifying me I finished training to level 4, but when I look at my skill tab im back to lv3, 0 sp added, what gives? set a long skill for RMR, I did, after RMR deployed, the skill got lost and its equivilant of losing 3 days of training (hope petition solves it) General slowness (not graphical, just lag/response time)
kasalupin	Posted - 2005.12.17 00:58:00 - [638] Edited by: kasalupin on 17/12/2005 01:11:56 Just adding my small issue to the whole thread. Some items can not be recycled anymore. I have this pb with mining crystals atm. I can not recycle them and I need the minerals they contains to build stuff. I get them from missions rewards but never used them so recycling is good but now stuck with some of them. I do not bother selling them because it take for ever to clear. I filed a bug report on this issue. Also, in the wallet transaction tab, i am unable to cycle down the sheets since as soon as there is a trasaction it will go back to the first page and i get lot of transaction every minutes. It is annoying since I am unable to see what sell well and modify my trade pattern accordingly. Also, as stated, my graphic environment is choppy at some point. I run fine pre patch and i have a radeon AIW 9800pro. The patch is nice and you made a great work. Theses issues are small compared to the work you pulled. Congrat.
MarkX	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:14:00 - [639] 53hrs of DT so far. Well not really DT but lag city then DT, rince repeat. Triple check I guess doesn't do much.
Retar Jore	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:36:00 - [640] This is the first bug that really frightened me: My long skill training (Lvl 5 Analytical Mind) was stuck fast at "ETA completion imminent". (which wasn't right) Switched it over to unbroke it and what?? back to 52% and 3 days 3 hours. Not certain but guessing I lost 12 hours there ..however.. the SKILLS are screwy now too! Database corruption in skills BAD.

Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:38:00 - [641] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I production does not produce any units. Resources are consumed, factory time is consumed, no units are produced.
Syeer III	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:41:00 - [642] Anyone know why my game keeps severly "hiccupping" every 10-30 seconds? Every one of these "hiccups" last 5-10 seconds and severely hampers my ability to engage in any combat, and just caused me to lose my ship a few minutes ago... Wasn't like this before RMR.
ant cousins	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:42:00 - [643] i so picked the wrong time to start my free trial.
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:43:00 - [644] every other undocking is a crash to desk top....
Partisan Ograe	Posted - 2005.12.17 01:56:00 - [645] Oh where are the new bloodlines? So, I like mining, whats the big deal?
Flax Volcanus	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:09:00 - [646] Originally by: Retar Jore This is the first bug that really frightened me: My long skill training (Lvl 5 Analytical Mind) was stuck fast at "ETA completion imminent". (which wasn't right) Switched it over to unbroke it and what?? back to 52% and 3 days 3 hours. Not certain but guessing I lost 12 hours there ..however.. the SKILLS are screwy now too! Database corruption in skills BAD. This happened to me a few times in the last four months, before the upgrade. Not sure of the cause, but I basically lost all the training time I'd put in and had to start over with the affected skills.
Hehulk	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:13:00 - [647] Seems to be a bug with either the jump gates or the cyclone. My ships start vanishing, then repears fully before vanishing extremly quickly. IT's not major, but it's a tad iritating. ---------- "EvE isn't a game, it's a lifestyle" Jaegerknack, 5punkorp
Forino Ovoli	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:17:00 - [648] Chat Acting Strange While in Corp chat this evening, I could type, but when I pressed Enter, nothing show up - i.e. my text did not "echo" to me. I opened a private chat with another Corp member and he could see what I typed. Tried to open private chat with another member and was told he "was not online or otherwise unreachable" - even though he was in the listing of folks in the Corp channel. Later I could see what I typed, but no one else could. Then no one could see anything (as determined on conversation in private chat channel.) Bounty Paid Not Correct Amount Where: Kubinen System What: Gurista Silencers Status in overview window said they were 50K bounties, however my journal entry only showed that I was paid 45K for each one. (killed three of them - same thing happened every time) Spurious Disconnects Disconnected back to launcher twice tonight for no apparent reason. Both times appeared within 30-45 seconds of logging on. Once I tried to warp, the second time I tried to type something in Corp chat channel. Online Buddies Show Red (not connected) Box I do not see "green" online boxes on any of my buddies, even when I'm chatting with them and can see them in space next to me. *Font STILL* Makes My Eyes Hurt** The font - especially in the chat channels - is hard to read and results in a lot of eye strain and fatigue.
ghard1	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:22:00 - [649] The new damage controll stats dont actualy work
Lo3d3R	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:26:00 - [650] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 17/12/2005 02:31:49 - no gate visual effects when someone enters the system wich you are allready in, although this seems random ? - no gate sounds - no cloak sounds - no uncloak sounds it doesnt work, but i think this will be a piece of icelandic cake for you guys, however this is very important for: the general gameplay and a specially for those of us who also rely on audio beeing correct and such i say 0/ bb edit: the font, do change this back, hurray i hope you will bb again 0/

Ryprant Dyvirs	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:37:00 - [651] Here's one: I currently have -2/37 max orders open and I can continue to sell and drop that number. Obviously I wont abuse, but uhh.. bug! :)
Tantalus Jalpha	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:40:00 - [652] This was posted earlier :- (moved to the official thread (so i ain't stuck no more) but then again i ain't left a station since i was able to dock Same here for all of above.... So far I have been stuck in 3 different stations, and 2 different systems...Jel and Renyn...Just saying Jumping on the screen in both of them...but had a black screen out of station for 10mins + My skills are saying there are 2 currently training, and there really is but it just says completion imminent...it isn't completing...tho... a couple of systems i have been in have been reeeeeeallllllly laggy like i had to drag my drones out of my drone bay cos i had too many and it took about 5 mins...then draggin them into my cargo bay took the same time....but there was only 2-3 people in the system. Same is happening in egghelende right now...really laggy but only 13 in system. autopilot makes it all worse cos it is just as slow as the draggin...so u have to wait a good few mins before it will approach a gate, u just sit there waiting for it to engage... accidently put a brutix bpo in for 120days...and then put all my bpos behind it...which means i have effectively lost my source of income for 3 months...doh market has frozen on me (ie tried to buy sommit and the buy window just showed loading) twice deleting cache helped...only wanted to buy a shuttle to go elsewhere... as typing this i am stuck in egghelende...it just says jumpin but nothing is happening again.... oh as a last thought the petitions don't seem to work....I petitioned to see if i could get my brutix out of the research...and it doesn't seem to have worked. Some new things I noticed tonight....the Char Sheet, displays some skills in bold? But it seems random which ones are bold...cos some I have at Lvl 5 are showing as SP 256,000 in bold and others don't show SP at all...i take it the ones in bold are meant to be ones that are part finished? well those show as bold just confuses me as to why the lvl 5 skills show as bold. I don't understand the research system at all...I have now queued more BPOs? as I trained up the new skill. I get how it works but don't get the accept quote thing...it just shows blank with a '.'?? what are we supposed to accept? If it had said to me don't install your BPO for 120days...then i would have cancelled before accepting...and I wouldn't have to leave the game for 3 months waiting for my brutix, thorax, catalyst, mammoth, iteron V and Antimat M hybrids to do...i put the brutix in for 120days without realising...and queued the rest behind thinking because i have lab op 5 that I would be able to use the next slot which still showed as free? Also in the market when viewing the thumbnails view it randomly refreshes, which means it goes back to the 'Loading...' bit and then i have to start going through all the items again Laters hope it is sorted soon PS if anyone discovers how to cancel a bpo...or if a gm would like to do it for me :) mine is the queue in douss chem 20 with 136 days left on :/ yep they are all mine Also can't wait to fly an eris as soon as i get isk and skills All the best and hope these help a bit... Tant
WHeisenberg	Posted - 2005.12.17 02:47:00 - [653] Forino - the bounty problem may be that your corp has set a 10% corp tax for bounties of it's members' kills. So if the bounty on a ship was listed at 50k, your corp got 5k automatically. My own 'issue', which may not be an issue at all.. I tried to remote administer a lab slot that was 7 jumps away. Since I dont have the new skill to remote admin the labs, I couldn't do it (no problem there). However, the error message that came back told me that the reason I couldn't remote admin the lab was because I was 70 jumps from the location and only had the skills to administer labs -1 (yes, that's 'minus one') jumps away. Maybe it'll fix itself once I get the skill learned.. dunno. WHeis
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:18:00 - [654] Wrap Chat Bug it's like that on every chanel i am not so funny
MarkX	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:24:00 - [655] That wrap chat bug is before the patch. Click the icon that shows player portraits in the chat, then back to text only. It will make it proportional.
Fredou	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:34:00 - [656] some people are in the channel and talking but not in the list
Basileus	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:48:00 - [657] Originally by: Fredou Wrap Chat Bug it's like that on every chanel i am not so funny This bug has been in Cold War too. I cannot believe they've not sorted it. What are they thinking? This new stuff is pointless with lag and bug city...
Sienn	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:50:00 - [658] Edited by: Sienn on 17/12/2005 03:51:20 Edited by: Sienn on 17/12/2005 03:51:01 1) Mining Upgrade Skill not seeded? 2) Mining Upgrade BPOs not seeded? 3) Valkyrie SW-600 BPO not seeded? 4) Named Ice and Strip Miners, Deep Core & Mining upgrades? Variations not in "Show Info" no info on market. 5) 4 Hardwiring and 1 Mindlink implant for miners? not showing on market. Did someone find any of this somewhere? And font, it has been talked about since first test patches, it has to be changed. I have never been tired in my eyes before by playing eve and i have perfect sight. But after today my eyes are tired.
Ishahn	Posted - 2005.12.17 03:58:00 - [659] well besides the horrible font, the only thing I would like to add is it is now impossible to link to a character info screen now. It works fine in the same chat window but I can not get it to work in another chat window at all. Items I have zero problems with.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2005.12.17 04:11:00 - [660] Originally by: Jeni Silver Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I production does not produce any units. Resources are consumed, factory time is consumed, no units are produced. Have you been able to successfully produce other items? You might simply need to go to the Jobs tab, select the run and click on the "deliver" button...

Dave Tehsulei	Posted - 2005.12.17 04:38:00 - [661] now im pretty sure i didnt imagine reading that that onlining a module at a ship maintenance array would no longer require 95% cap ... well: 2005.12.17 04:16:24<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>You cannot bring Warp Scrambler I online. Without the support of in-station fitting services your ship requires a 95% capacitor level, you currently have a capacitor level of 45%. i was sitting right next to it at the time, so what happened? did i imagine it? cant find it in the patch notes now
ThunderZeus	Posted - 2005.12.17 05:18:00 - [662] Drone Durability skill does not seam to work at all: I have it skilled to 3 and my drones do not gain the: "Increases drone hit points. 5% bonus to drone shield, armor and hull hit points per level." the drones in my bay have the exact attributes as the drones on the market. Anyone else having this issue? TZ
Frank Horrigan	Posted - 2005.12.17 05:29:00 - [663] Edited by: Frank Horrigan on 17/12/2005 05:29:55 SERIOUS ISSUE WITH RMR Ok, rmr has seriousley messed up my pc. I thought it might have been a virus, so I reformatted my pc, becuase NOTHING was working, files were being corrupted, each time i rebooted some random progrmas wouldnt start, windows xp themes and stuff wouldnt start sometimes, internet would not work, if I showed properties on my hard drives, windows would just dissipear, ect. so I just reformatted, downloaded the rmr client full, I used the patch last time, but after about 7 trys, it FINALY downloaded (WTF?) so I install it, and same thing! right after I log in, bout 20 seconds in, my pc dies horribly and plays some sound over and over sounding like a broken record player, then I reboot. Then my programs wouldn't load. ccp, what in gods name did you do to make it mess up my pc so bad? hits stuff with hammer as he watches his 14.95 go to waste I bug reported it, but beware, it can SERIOUSLY mess up your pc
The GoldenRatio	Posted - 2005.12.17 05:46:00 - [664] Most everything in these 23 pages is obviously due to lag. Most of these problems will fix themselves. Of course, I agree that there are many valid actuall code-based problems as well, but please try not to post problems that are only the result of passing lag. --- The GoldenRatio > All.
Shiner BockBeer	Posted - 2005.12.17 05:57:00 - [665] market price history will not load for any item.. and now that its stuck on price history I can't switch back to details.
USS Defiant	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:01:00 - [666] I had some problems downloading the patch, it would disconnect every 1% of patch download and give the error message "Patch downloaded, but cannot be verified." I had to connect that many times to get it downloaded. After that, it installed fine, was able to get into the game. I agree with everyone who's complained about the font - it causes eyestrain. Please get rid of it or give the users an option to change to a different one. I was having difficulty docking, had to quit the game and log back in. Docked then no problem. Hope this isn't a recurring issue.
Chantao Naies	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:19:00 - [667] Wow...23 pages of issues and counting. Almost makes me glad that my current setup won't allow me to play Eve just yet Here's to hoping they get the problems ironed out soon.
Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:43:00 - [668] v-m15 braced multispectral shield matrix This module was supposed to be modified for RmR to have cap of 32cap/12 seconds like the T2 Invulnerability hardener. But it still uses the old cap of 40 per 12 seconds. --------------------------------------------- Oveur > CUZ IM EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEME!!!!
Ion Shape	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:44:00 - [669] Not a big issue but you can't copy/paste from chat window. Maybe I'm doing something wrong then please tell me what? I just point width mouse pointer and try to mark what I want to copy but I can't mark it. Before patch you could do this!
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.12.17 06:47:00 - [670] I had an item on market order for sale and pulled it up on the wallet order screen. I r/clicked to cancel it and it did cancel but the ship didn't reappear in my hangar (usually you get the item back right away). That was yesterday and I still don't have it back. Anyone else had that problem? I filed a petition but got the "delay" petition message back in email (I know they're busy so I can wait). Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER

Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.17 07:22:00 - [671] buddy list is broken, I see buddies in local for half an hour or more and the buddy list says they're offline the whole time. locator agents aren't working, I click "I'd like to find someone" or whatever, and it pops up the box to put in the character name, I type it in and hit OK, and nothing happens. it just goes back to the "do you want a mission or a locate" screen. clearing cache didn't fix this.
Aneeda	Posted - 2005.12.17 07:25:00 - [672] Originally by: Sienn Edited by: Sienn on 17/12/2005 03:56:39 Edited by: Sienn on 17/12/2005 03:51:20 Edited by: Sienn on 17/12/2005 03:51:01 1) Mining Upgrade Skill not seeded? 2) Mining Upgrade BPOs not seeded? 3) Valkyrie SW-600 BPO not seeded? 4) Named Ice and Strip Miners, Deep Core & Mining upgrades? Variations not in "Show Info" no info on market. 5) 4 Hardwiring and 1 Mindlink implant for miners? not showing on market. Did someone find any of this somewhere? There is no way of stopping an issued manufacturing job or research, i suppose more then me would like that feature back please :) And font, it has been talked about since first test patches, it has to be changed. I have never been tired in my eyes before by playing eve and i have perfect sight. But after today my eyes are tired. I have been looking for all the new mining equipment too... but to no avail. There are also a bunch of drone modules that don't seem to be seeded also. I am also just trying to find some official responses to these issues somewhere... anywhere on the site or the forums. You would think that if most... if not all of the the new mining equipment was left out of this patch someone would mention it or update the patch notes to say 'oops'. More font options would make me happy too... but I am living with the current one. I am willing to suffer with it for awhile if it means more time spent actually getting the new modules seeded into the game.
Song	Posted - 2005.12.17 07:29:00 - [673] - remove from buddylist isn't working as its intended, I don't think. Theres currently no difference between that and remove from addressbook. Creating folders to allow us to sort is pointless since remove from buddylist doesn't work -offline/online of buddies doesn't work - / then ENTER doesn't work
Rabbitgod	Posted - 2005.12.17 07:34:00 - [674] Ctrl + Tab to hide windows is broken. Once you hide your windows you can't unhide them. Bad for ss or fraping your PvPing. Guess their will be a few less eve videos until this one gets fixed. Here these will help
Kiyirari	Posted - 2005.12.17 07:57:00 - [675] After a short peroid ingame and docking at various stations, i find that my hanger access to ships is frozern and unable change ship Also recently ended up in my pod after finding some off these new npc rats i traveled many jumps in shuttle to replace my ship only to find the above problem, also including not being able to undock... Also of note, i find that my skills freeze up a little and unable to change skill whilst trianing another
MarkX	Posted - 2005.12.17 08:24:00 - [676] Originally by: Rabbitgod Ctrl + Tab to hide windows is broken. Once you hide your windows you can't unhide them. Bad for ss or fraping your PvPing. Guess their will be a few less eve videos until this one gets fixed. Try ctrl+f9 bud. Worked for me today no problems.
Calenth	Posted - 2005.12.17 08:41:00 - [677] Odd freezeup, usually just after jumping into system. Screen gets odd sideways "jitter" as if attempting to refresh, and game locks up completely. Happened 3 times today.
Niki Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 08:42:00 - [678] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Jeni Silver Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I production does not produce any units. Resources are consumed, factory time is consumed, no units are produced. Have you been able to successfully produce other items? You might simply need to go to the Jobs tab, select the run and click on the "deliver" button... Yeps - other items were coming out fine, but with this one inparticular I tried 3 times, on the 3rd time it finally kicked em out.
Razor Jaxx	Posted - 2005.12.17 08:47:00 - [679] Slight issues with the map : - Map is sluggish/laggy to maneuver (spin, zoom, slide, etc.), whatever star display option is selected. - Average pilots in space should probably be toned down a bit, it's pretty hard to make out stars in the middle of that fiery glow. - Region names are also a bit too blocky for my personal taste, but that's a very minor annoyance. Manufacturing question : Pre-patch, if you started a manufacturing run of, say, 50x 1000 units of ammo, you'd get 1k ammo in your hangar as each individual batch was completed. Now it appears that the items are not being delivered until the entire job (in this case 50k units of ammo) has been completed. Is this correct?
Dakath	Posted - 2005.12.17 08:49:00 - [680] Drone Nerf has removed all lag! Yeah, riiiiiiight. I said it wouldnt work and I was right. Solo playing is a valid play style. Or at least CCP thinks the money they get is valid.

Flori04	Posted - 2005.12.17 09:14:00 - [681] Edited by: Flori04 on 17/12/2005 09:15:39 no more "ship stoping" msg? rats are indeed flaging me..lol drones dont respond so good at attacks.. drone bay a lil bugged after undocking... new font is a real pain.. rats move hella fast?! .. on login screen if u have more then 1 acc.. and u select the other one.. when clicking to write password.. the select user ( arrow thingy next to username field) highlits and u have to reclick on password field.. and thats about it for me right now.. i havent checked my sell orders.. or tried to build sth.. i never do after patches... ps nerfing mining barges drone bay really sux.. at least make the t2 ones with 100 m3 drone bay... i really hate medium drones.. im a hvy drones user.. and pre-patch i had 4 wasps on my barges.. now i hafta use 5 hammerheads.. forgot to mention no new mining gear seeded??
Humera	Posted - 2005.12.17 09:39:00 - [682] Have they seeded the new variant BPO/BPC's (interdictor/exhumers/etc) amongst the research agents? I am missing them from the research agent info. Humera
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.17 09:44:00 - [683] recruitment channel is bugged when will this be fixed .... thanku
Hyperforce99	Posted - 2005.12.17 09:49:00 - [684] cloak effects have been screwed, no sounds when cloaking or uncloaking and jumping now causes a flicker instaid of a cloak.
Fiorenza	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:23:00 - [685] Ditch the font - it's killing me. Otherwise great so far. Did I mention the font?
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:27:00 - [686] Corp chat has become bugged i can not see what i type or any ones else types, but eve radio works fine ------------------------------------------------- Contribute to the buy Hohenheim a carrier fund in game now!
aquium	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:39:00 - [687] General FPS dropped considerably for me after RMR. Why is that? Was'nt it supposed to be optimized?? And the font, of course . But all was said here about it.
Cantari	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:52:00 - [688] Drone Control panel seems to have dissapeared for me. I have checked that drones are installed, made sure i have skills to use them, made sure i have the correct amount in the bay. I have cleared cache, refitted drones, docked, undocked repackaged ship and drones and it is still not to be found. This is on my Apoc, I havent had time to test it with other ships as it is almost downtime. Hoping DT will fix problem, if so illlet ya know. Cantari
Fellhand	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:57:00 - [689] - Drone nerf seems to have had no effect on lag (still think it was the dumbest idea the devs have ever had) - New font looks awful in my opinion - What happened to the "ship stopping" message? - Seems to take three times as long to dock/undock _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
Felicity Shagwell	Posted - 2005.12.17 10:59:00 - [690] Originally by: Dakath Drone Nerf has removed all lag! Yeah, riiiiiiight. I said it wouldnt work and I was right. Yep. Did not believe for a second that it would help either. BUG? Since the upgrade I can't go to My Character page here on the web. I just end up on the news page. Doesn't matter how many times I try.

Fellhand	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:00:00 - [691] Oh yeah and what is the "harmGÇÖs" message about? _______________________________________________ There is no such thing as too much cynicism Flame me if you wish, I laugh with scorn at threats... Beware of geeks bearing gifs
kebab v2	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:02:00 - [692] Nos has very little if any effect on the tanking abilities of an npc, i put 3 heavy nos on a ceptor rat and he was able too tank the damage of 5 light drones for ages. Battleship rats also tank just as well as they did in cold war with 3 heavy nos on them. Im still getting lots of frig ab/mwd and cruser cap booster modules from battleship size rats.
Jhonen Senraedi	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:08:00 - [693] A lot of posts to trawl through and no search function so.... Don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread or not...but have noticed no security increases...since the new update...even though I've been killing rats?
Morphisat	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:09:00 - [694] It's probably been mentioned here before, but i'd like to add that sometimes when you undock, you just get a black screen. It doesnt happen all the time. When you alt-tab or press esc, you see your ship floating in space, but when you tab back, you just get a black screen. Logging on and off seems fixes it, but it is a little annoying.
Rangar	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:10:00 - [695] Problems with the production system: - Batch system makes no sense, if the batch is limited to a special slot. The batch system has to take the next free slot itself - Jobs cannot be cancelled. Makes no sense as long as the batch is limited to a special slot. The slot can have been taken 1 second before you started your job and then you are screwed, because you have to wait probably weeks for your job to even start - Only the one who started the job can take the finished product and the BP out again (btw why have it to be taken out? Why doesn¦t fall it to the hangar you decided at the jobstart?). That is very risky. If the jobstarter leaves EVE for whatever reason while the job is running, the corp might loose their corp owned BPO forever!
Captain Merkin	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:14:00 - [696] only problem I have had was trying to kill a POS last night... it didnt work and I ran out of ammo
Kintac	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:31:00 - [697] - I get stucked at gates while jumping from time to time - I¦m kicked out of EVE without any reason - market transaction became slow - fitting production / laboratory slots became slow
Commander Lock	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:34:00 - [698] 1: The game is virtually impossible to play with sound on now. Before the patch it wasn't a big issue, but now, it's so slow and choppy I have to keep the sound off all the time. I'm sure my comp could use an upgrade, but what was in this patch that suddenly increased the CPU needs? 2: I find that everytime I come across a different type of rat I have to manually add it to the overview, slightly annoying. 3: The usual lag/logging in issues.
Removal Tool	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:35:00 - [699] Alliance Standings broken? I lost my Tempest and was pod killed by what appeared to be nuetrals but were in fact -10 to my alliance. Then when I tried to petition this I recieved an error on both attempts. I will petition as soon as petitions are functioning again. And I was just puttering around HQ not seeking targets by the way. A life not lived is not worth examining.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:36:00 - [700] Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol v-m15 braced multispectral shield matrix This module was supposed to be modified for RmR to have cap of 32cap/12 seconds like the T2 Invulnerability hardener. But it still uses the old cap of 40 per 12 seconds. wrong pre RMR it was 40 cap per 2,5 seconds... 40 cap per 12 seconds is the right level and is a huge improvement...

sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:40:00 - [701] recruitment channel is dead serioulsy it isnt working properly so i guess corps will have to start asking in local - can we get this specific channel back. It is a good and bad way of picking up players changing corps ?
Xerxes Ceasar	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:43:00 - [702] Freighter Containers where mentioned in the patch note. I cant seem to find any of those in market. What happend to them? (Dunno if this has been asked earlier, tried to search for it but found nothing relevant) Xerxes
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:45:00 - [703] well loading up th game now will see if they fixed recruitment channel yet. That and implement for CEOs a last log in in days on all corp members so those that havent logged in for 5 weeks ie trail accounts gone bad or players just vanishing are able to be bounced back to the NPC corps - i prefer active members and hence thats also why the recruitment channel ins important to find new talent
Britannica	Posted - 2005.12.17 11:59:00 - [704] 14 hours after installing patch and seeing uber lag and waiting up to 20 minutes to log in I wait a couple of min tops to log in and see lag similar to when cold war was freshly deployed at this rate CCP could have the game going smoothly before xmas
testot	Posted - 2005.12.17 12:00:00 - [705] I am unable to check the stats of my bp when it's in research. I used to be able to check progress of the mineral reduction just by clicking the little blue 'i' button even when installed. Now its gone, or at least I can't find it. The same would go for production time...
Slickster	Posted - 2005.12.17 12:29:00 - [706] Well i would post a before rmr and after rmr shot of my charater potrait, but i dont know how to.Needless to say it looks like some one at ccp plucked all of my gallante eyelashes out. (think tomb has nerfed my good looks ) To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ?
Bon Hedus	Posted - 2005.12.17 12:45:00 - [707] The biggest issue that I see is my Frames Per Second have dropped by 50%. I am only getting 15-20 in space, and 12 in station. -------------------------------------- "This is obviously the work of some Psycho, Weedsmoking, Voodoo Midget Aliens from Corporate America." JC
Akira Tomodachi	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:13:00 - [708] After RMR my bio is missing. No big deal, but I cannot save my bio nor are any menu points available in the character sheet afterwards. To say I click on the bio button, then on any other button of the charcater sheet and I get only empty information windows. I have to log off & in and have to avoid clicking the bio button. When I try to send this error report ingame I got the following error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: print_charset() in /cgi-bin/eve_online.cfg/scripts/enduser/acct_new_mb.php on line 21
relogme	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:16:00 - [709] No offence...but I've read through the few bunch of pages and can't be arsed to read more comments about disconnecting, lag, etc. It may have been mentioned, but the online/offline of peeps in people and places is not working. I'm working through testing and checking different things and have to say that I am pleasantly pleased with RMR, despite the issues with deplyoment. Kieron or however else: I know you want this as the main thread for reporting issues, however would it be pooissible to have a sticky or something which has only the identified or reported bugs. Losing the whines and the 10 pages of lag and can't connect posts would be great. Cheers and well done...patch day is patch day no matter what software and company for pleasure or business.
Iome	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:18:00 - [710] Manticore stealth bomber: Covert Ops Skill 25% bonus to cloaked velocity per level is not applied.

Viruk	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:19:00 - [711] Fonts - much harder to read, old ones were bad enough, do CCP issue microscope glasses to all their employees so they can work on the game :P Maybe I'm just getting old. During patch deployment any production jobs were completed AND the minerals refunded. What was that all about ? Finish production OK, but refund the minerals ?????? So anyone who had something big on production is sitting on a nice fat wad of minerals they can use again. Nice present. What about the rest of us ? Do we get free isk as well ? Anyone who had a freighter on production just got several hundred mil (or more) for doing nothing. How can CCP possibly justify this. Been playing this game for over a year and I love it but things like this just make me mad. V
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:27:00 - [712] Originally by: Viruk Fonts - much harder to read, old ones were bad enough, do CCP issue microscope glasses to all their employees so they can work on the game :P Maybe I'm just getting old. You just need to buy a modern non-fuzzy monitor that's all. They are incredibly good then
Silberhaar	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:30:00 - [713] Edited by: Silberhaar on 17/12/2005 13:35:02 Edited by: Silberhaar on 17/12/2005 13:33:49 There are many issues: 1. Getting constantly stuck in flight in several system. Workaround is to relog. 2. Can crime flagging is bugged, causing NPC Police to attack the offender. This appears to happens only near of the stargate. I think this was stated: * if you take* from someones can, they and their corp, and gang, can shoot you. * if anyone shoots you, you can shoot back. * you can dock or go near sentries at any time. concorde leaves you alone also. It is stated that neither Concord nor any NPC police will attack the can looter. But I got destroyed by NPC Police, who did not belong in any way to the affected corp. 3. Shooting at a NPC pirate near a stargate will cause to get destroyed by Concord and NPC Police. I believe there is a bug which affect 2 and 3 above. Because it happens only around stargates. 4. Insurances sometime not paying the full insuranced value. As I lost my ship above I got only 599'999 ISK instead of the full insured value above 3 mio ISK. 5. The market is many time not useable due the insane lag! Tried to buy a shuttle yesterday but it was not possible. 6. Insane lag in some systems. Which causes people to freeze and getting stuck in these systems. 7. Ship boni for drones are not counted at all. My drones have still the same comat stats in the personal hangar and in a vexor. The latter should give several boni to the drones. 8. The dot (.) behind a number two (2) (and probably more letters) is not visible in the new font. 9. Missing the possibility to change the font color itself!
Mortus Harbinger	Posted - 2005.12.17 13:40:00 - [714] Edited by: Mortus Harbinger on 17/12/2005 13:42:04 I'm getting the jump bug regularly now. On a trip of about 15 jumps I've got stuck at a gate four times now (out of maybe 8 jumps through Essence and The Citadel). It says 'Jumping' on the screen and I seem to get stuck there in a loop. I get into the system I'm jumping to (according to the display in top left of screen) but it hasn't gone far enough that I can see any player or faction ships or the gate I've come though. It's a bit like 'rubber-banding' in some other games where you constantly jump back a bit. In this case it happens roughly every second. If I move the view around it jumps back, every second, to where I am stuck. Edit: as mentioned above, the only fix is to re-log. Mort
Xerith	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:06:00 - [715] BUG Not sure if this has been said yet, but there is a bug with the drone window. When I undock from stations the window will now show under the overview. To get the window to show, I having to warp away and then warp to a place where I will have something show on my overview and it pops the drone window up. May not sound like that big of a deal at first, but if I undock and I need to release my drones fast for some reason I can't because the window is not there.
Krak'a Tau	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:35:00 - [716] REQUEST: Please move the "Trash" away from the "Train Skill" in the context menu. Its a destructive action and needs to be placed away from important main actions.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:45:00 - [717] I made about a dozen jumps. On the eighth one I appeared to get stuck. Game was moving at about one or two seconds a frame. Just killed my client and am hoping I can get back in. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Diancecht	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:50:00 - [718] problem- Being kicked to the desktop after little time playing for no reason. can happen in stations, fighting jumping or just after loading too. clearing the cache did not help. now each time i load, the settings are defaults even though i didnt delete the settings/prefs folder from the cache. settings are defaulting to NOT show npc pirates?? and belts, but changing them works until kicked again. the kick to desktop error does not seem to be graphics or sound related but some network problem that was not there in the previous version. please note that i did not have any problems with eve at all before this patch. new fonts are ok by me. they are much clearer/defined on my 21" crt monitor than the previous ones. the previous font was almost enreadable and caused a lot of eyestrain. i dont want to return to that font.
nar'bok varom	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:50:00 - [719] In Oursulaert, 2 times out of 3, when exiting the station all One can see is black screen and haves to quit the game and log in back again. For people mining or doing agent missions therefor entering and exiting the station all the time this is preatty anoing.
Cuisinart	Posted - 2005.12.17 14:57:00 - [720] The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. wtf? I can't even get through the patching process, the download only gets to about 5% when I get this message. Vision without action is a daydream Action without vision is a nightmare

Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:05:00 - [721] Things that are wrong: 1. The map - its just one huge ***** blob 2. NPCs - have to keep manually putting them on overview 3. Font - it ***** sucks 4. Chat box - duno whats changed but i prefer the pre-rmr 1 5. FPS - it gone down by loads 6. Market - It Crashes 7. Concord - They kill you when you shoot npcs at a gate 8. Online/Offline - it shows more or less everyone as offline yet they are actually online. Theres lots more but i can't think of them all atm tbh ccp, you should of tested this patch more, instead of doing a rush job -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up...
Plib	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:22:00 - [722] Awful framerate! I just started mining and instead of 30fps I get 17. Awful.
Urgik Hfflatt	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:22:00 - [723] It appears that the level-of-detail button in the graphics options no longer has any effect, causing the game to draw everything in sight with no reduction in detail, and the anti-aliasing cannot be turned off. The slow framerate is not a pleasant sight in quiet systems; I haven't dared to go near Oursulaert or similar. Could these options have accidently been made inactive when the patch was released?
LodeArm	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:41:00 - [724] Basicly LAAAAAAAAAAAAAG! its killing me, almost anyway. Im writing this having just docked my raven with 22% hull left after warping into a mission and whatching everything go completly ape for 5 minites wilest i try to get out. its just non-stop, I mean its bad in systems with 40-50 player but go anywhere busy and expect a 20-30min trip thogh a single system and yes! that did happon to me when i thought buying some new skills was a good idear.. Other than that the patch rocks, just the lag I mean OMG! its bad. not on/off bad its baaaaaaaad..
Cypherous	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:43:00 - [725] I'm out in 0.0 only 1 other person in system and when you try to take all the items from a can it insists on moving them really slowly 1 by 1 and i nearly lost my ship because when i tried to move while it was doing it my ship became completely unresponsive to any commands.
solidshot	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:43:00 - [726] 1. the market is lagging to buggery 2.constant ctd's without warning 3.this forum is lagging like hell as well
Sophia Moceau	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:49:00 - [727] Yup. Take away more than half my drones, make me buy several other skills to basically make drones as effective as they were all in the name of lag and the damned game is so laggy now I cant play it. Maybe they should put a population cap on the game if their equipment cant handle the traffic. And before you guys start blasting me with the "Be patient, they will get it right...eventually" crapola, let me ask you this...if you purchased a new car, would you wait three days before you could drive it or more? If you paid for a meal in a restaurant, would you wait three days to be able to eat it? No and thats whats ****ing me off about this patch.
F4ze	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:51:00 - [728] Station services are behind my chat window and I can't get them above it :) Other than that I don't have any issues. The lag will get better, I'm sure of it.
morefeeus	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:55:00 - [729] RMR.... 9/10 for content. 2/10 for notice and deployment. Why do a deploy this close to the holiday and with little notice. I get the impression that the project managers had a date to meet on their MS project sheet. They didn't want to get any closer to the holiday... The 2 days of network issues prior to deployment must have been a difficult decision. Guys you should have posponed till the new year. The game was fine.. Now the support teams are left with nothing but grief for the next 2 weeks. I prefer stability before Titans! Bugs: -People online appear offline in the address book -Deployment of drones from ship appear upto 3 ship lengths behind the ship. -Assembly lines nice idea. That must be generating some irrate petitions. Put something in to cook and when its done you now have to deliver it into the corp hanger. Had I read about this in the patch notes I would not have raised a ticket. Not sure what that's about apart from not having the relevent skill to deliver a ship to my corp buddies whilst I'm 10 jumps away! Hardware issue... Get those LS20 dual cores in ASAP...
Hannah Bolden	Posted - 2005.12.17 15:57:00 - [730] Man, you cant get this much lag at WalMart. Totally unplayable.

Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:00:00 - [731] I've given up trying to play for now. Undocked it's almost too laggy to mine. In station most facilities are too laggy to use. Having been through many patches with this game I'm sure CCP will sort it but it's sad that it looks like the last weekend before Christmas is a no play zone -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Juggernaut Kell	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:03:00 - [732] Originally by: Sophia Moceau Yup. Take away more than half my drones, make me buy several other skills to basically make drones as effective as they were all in the name of lag and the damned game is so laggy now I cant play it. Maybe they should put a population cap on the game if their equipment cant handle the traffic. And before you guys start blasting me with the "Be patient, they will get it right...eventually" crapola, let me ask you this...if you purchased a new car, would you wait three days before you could drive it or more? If you paid for a meal in a restaurant, would you wait three days to be able to eat it? No and thats whats ****ing me off about this patch. Well said, maybe a two month refund is in order since it feels like Ive spent two months of my time just tryin to dock in a station. And I agree totally about the 'just give it time' asskissers jumping on anyone who complains, I bet if this was all face to face they wouldnt say anything when someone complains.
MachZERO	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:03:00 - [733] Seems anything that is database intensive like market or escrow is so laggy now as to be unusable most of the time. Is the database eating itself? --------------------------------------------- "Rang Rang" ---------------------------------------------
MWEI	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:04:00 - [734] I wonder whats the reason behind the lag, afterall, 16k players was playing last sunday and there wasnt this much lag is it because some guy at CCP decided to pull out 50% of the servers for "testing"? is it because the new 64bit machines are screwing up the 32bits ones? is it because the hamsters are on holiday season? or, is it the buggy code with RMR thats increasing server load?
Kastar	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:13:00 - [735] Edited by: Kastar on 17/12/2005 16:18:45 This hasn't anything to do anymore with numbers trying to log in. I never whined before but this is bad, really bad. As someone said it's a 9/10 for content but deployment completely we,t awry and was communicated too late. The market doesn't work for my main char, my alt is currently stuck in another system. There's lag all over and I don't see who's online and who's not. I can't play during week and I practically arranged my social life around for the weekend to finally get some quality game time... now I feel screwed for the first time. This is amateurism, lag has been an issue for ages. What are the answers and concrete plans to solve it besides typical empty management answers like "continuously improving the infrastructure" or "rewriting the code..." Code was rewritten for some things, new servers were added... Oh by the way, have you seen my drone specialized ship carrying the amazing number of 5 drones ? Exciting sight I'm playing since 1,5 year and saw it grow from 12K peak to 19K peak. Where it was practically smooth at first, it's victim to it's own success now. MacroMining is wreaking havoc around the galaxy, fleet battles are imposssible, there are practically no quiet spots in empire anymore and it's laggy every night. I'm not gonna quit because of this, I don't even want to think about quitting because I love the game too much, but at one point this is gonna start going awry. Look at the amount of whine threads in the forum. People are always whining but this is becoming too bad. Pity :( The things that are distinguishing Eve from other MMO's are starting to fade away. There's only one good effect to nonconventional things becoming mainstream, and that's that the wallet of the owner gets bigger. I and many others would appreciate a constructive answer to how it's going to be stabilized, with an agenda and concrete examples.
Osiris Occido	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:16:00 - [736] I'm wondering if it's not some new network topology or coincidental ISP causing the lag issue. Are those of you east of the Atlantic noticing the lag as well? The past two nights the lag has been terrible (as it is this very moment), yet my friend who plays in the same system doesn't experience any lag. He is east of the Atlantic, while I am US based. Another friend who is US based has the lag issues as I do. The lag is almost unplayable imo. I have never had issues like this until RMR. I hope it's figured out soon. TSBS Video Vault \| 23 videos to date, and counting \| clickage
Judas Jones	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:18:00 - [737] Edited by: Judas Jones on 17/12/2005 16:19:09 Hmm... some annoyances for just the last hour... Finaly left the station, 2 jumps there, and 2 jumps back thro NO hub systems, nothing exceeding 60 people in local, not Caldari region either! and so far, I have gotton 'hung' up on every single gate into the new systems, so have to log out, log back in just to complete the jump process. This makes the game unplayable, your player base, us, made it quite clear that we had no problems waiting til after January for RmR if it meant a complete expansion was released, this has not been the case tho. Xmas is bound to have some peak times, and the game as is, is ****e to play in. ----------------------------------------------- Expect Typo's
tignish pei	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:19:00 - [738] it seems like the biggest problem is lag, which is making the game all but unplayable. also, should 5 BS appear in a lvl2 mission?? everybody in my buddy list is showing as offline even though we're talking to each other. transfering from cans shouldn't take 2 minutes for 3 items. can't unlock all in station containers. seems like a lot of the ships had drone bays cut by more than half. chat window goes blank at random times.
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:21:00 - [739] Edited by: Rowan Lyon on 17/12/2005 16:22:49 I'm in the US too, and am having a horrible time with the lag. Question: Why does CCP insist on throwing out these monster expansions with so much new content that totally screws up the server for a week? Would anyone else have that much of a problem with introducing new content one piece at a time? For example, instead adding 39 new ships, messing with drones, moving the server hardware, etc., why just add one class of ships. . . then wait a bit. . mess with the drones. . .wait a bit. . . then do something else. That way you can at least address each issue as it comes, AND you don't have to go back through what are probably hundreds (thousands?) of pages of code to figure out what mistake in ONE line screwed the whole thing up. I'm sure this has been suggested before, but I'd figure I'd throw it in for my two cents. [/rantoff] Edit: I also noticed that the font is way easier to read. Is this just me, or did you guys actually do something to it?
The Gent	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:22:00 - [740] Not read the 26 pages so I'm probably repeating stuff... In the UK here and lag is bad, especially going through gates, I get stuck about every 5-10 jumps and have to close Eve and re-start. I've stopped going into 0.0 due to the unstable environment. Market is currently not allowing me to buy stuff either. Addressbook not telling me if ppl off or online properly. Drones don't appear in overview for ages after undocking. Client kicks out after an hour or so.

Colton	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:29:00 - [741] Lag is unbelieveable. Bring the hamsters back! I honestly cant play for fear of losing my equipment due to the monstrous lag. I personally would vote to switch back to cold war until you guys get this patch put together correctly. Otherwise, people are going to start counting their pennies and exactly how much fun it buys them when they cant play this game.
Kalavoz	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:29:00 - [742] Edited by: Kalavoz on 17/12/2005 16:29:52 A shame my first ever post is a complaint... but would like to add my own plea for the font to be changed to the old style. Right now in windowed mode, it is near impossible to read what one is typing, and after playing for 20 mins the game is giving me a headache. Please strongly consider changing it back, since cannot honestly say that I will continue to pay for a game that causes me physical pain.
Silberhaar	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:46:00 - [743] Edited by: Silberhaar on 17/12/2005 16:48:10 An addition to my already posted can bug stuff: Originally by: Ricky Baby a m8 and an alt tested some of this out my m8 jettisond a can whereby the alt (from SWA) stile from it, she was then flagged to the corp, my m8 then exploded the alts ship and the resulting can is a SWA can and my m8 cannot take the loot without being flagged. This means that when you shoot someone who steals from your can and you destroy him the resulting cans are flagged not for you but for the local NPC corps or for the other corp the destroyed player belongs. Therefore you can not take back what is yours without being flagged. As an addition: I request that cans are only protected for a half hour. This allows to take abandoned stuff after some time.
Aiskylos	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:48:00 - [744] Same as the shame of yours my first post ever and this is getting annoying. I signed a trial account 4 days ago and server is not on say... 2 days since i signed. I am generally a calm person but this is going out of limits. Please... if you have a serious problem that you cant cover in short period, shut down the server polish your patch and make it up for real in a one long shut down... else this is pain.
eleuthereus	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:48:00 - [745] Again, I must repeat myself and add confirmation to what has already been voiced many times (I say this to make a point) -- The new font MUST go, please... - escrow: unreadable - typing text in chat: unreadable - overview: difficult - misc txt: unreadable And oddly, the only text that you made larger and darker/bolder are the region names in the map - but this is actually WORSE as well. Now teh darn region names are so blasted bold that it blocks out stars, system names, waypoints, and generally just messes up one's focus on the map. The region names used to be nice and subtle reminders of the regions (a VERY readable font). Now, it looks like someone took a stupid rubber stamper and stamped ESSENCE SING LAISON EVERYSHORE all over the place. Please return old fonts system wide. eleuthereus PS I do thank you, however, for the free patch and enjoy several things about it. I know you are working hard, but these are some things that are seriously hindering the playability of the game.
Viruk	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:57:00 - [746] Originally by: Macro Slasher Originally by: Viruk Fonts - much harder to read, old ones were bad enough, do CCP issue microscope glasses to all their employees so they can work on the game Maybe I'm just getting old. You just need to buy a modern non-fuzzy monitor that's all. They are incredibly good then Hmmmm so a brand new kick ass 1440 x 900 LCD isn't good enough huh. Then I'm definitely getting too old V
Tanya Kovacs	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:58:00 - [747] The font is ok and pretty good readable in all but the chatwindows. In the chatwindows the medium size is way to small (try change the fontsize to small... you will not notice a big difference), so I changed it to large. It's to large, but at least readable. Anyway: CCP works like other developers. Working hard behind the scenes but stay silent. "Problems? Just be patient. Well why do we have to explain our problemsf?" This is causing a huge amount of whining and flaming in the forums and even the technical advanced players can't help you arguing whats going on, because they don't know what happened to.
Mimio	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:59:00 - [748] Please, a bit patience. Software engineering is most complicated thing ever. World of Eve is one of the most complicated things in software engineering(excluding my job of course). What to do in meantime - chat - lookup forums - investigate trade possibility - test equipment in belts - gather and cleanup storages - fit new ship - read documentation - run mission one level down(or on better ships). - count
Retsudo Itto	Posted - 2005.12.17 16:59:00 - [749] Yes its laggy yes its buggy and yes it is frustrating but ( and this is a whopping big Titan sized but) It will get better. The bugs will be fixed the lag will eventualy be sorted and all will go back to tranquility . And all this will seem like a bit of a bad dream eventualy. Like Rome Eve wasnt built in a day and certainly can't be fully fixed in one. Give it time. They will be looking at the vast numbers of complaints and would be trying to fix things as fast as they can ( doubt theyd want to pull overtime through christmas either). If things arn't running more smoothly in a week from now then id probably be getting a little more worried. For now just have to take more care in there.
Treacle Shazboat	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:00:00 - [750] Market down more than it's up. Lag and hung client when using gates. Random disconnects. A lot of random disconnects. Log on, click the chat window, post a message, see the desktop is not my idea of fun ;P

Milamber Farseer	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:01:00 - [751] Everyone download the patch seperately and not through the login screen? That might help. My two most fav quotes: Stylus gladio potentior, You can please some of the people some of the time...
lles	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:02:00 - [752] The thorax drone hold is now 50m3, while it should been 100m3, please fixit.
Mimio	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:03:00 - [753] Btw, new cyrillic fonts are almost perfect.
Mimio	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:05:00 - [754] Another task for crying people: setup instajump
Quintyn	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:05:00 - [755] I personally like the font.. anyone who plays this game at 1600x1200 is a frickin loser and should stop trying to impress people with how high their resolution goes
Antinea	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:12:00 - [756] The font is ugly, unreadable, and the chat channels formatting are buggy as hell. The lag is horrendous, obviously dividing the numbers of drones by 2 was not a solution, but hey, we knew that beforehand... The question remains as to why on earth would you go ahead with a crappy patch like that ahead of the holiday season? Did the guy you hired in QA got kidnapped by aliens or something? ~
Lord Zod	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:12:00 - [757] Originally by: Quintyn I personally like the font.. anyone who plays this game at 1600x1200 is a frickin loser and should stop trying to impress people with how high their resolution goes The font is kinda crappy but it doesn't bother me as much as others, i can live with it or without it. BUT, why are people who play at 1600x1200 losers?, so what that i play at that res and others can, i just happen to have a resonable rig that can do it, why does that make me a loser?. Some poeple should really think before they post.
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:12:00 - [758] Originally by: lles The thorax drone hold is now 50m3, while it should been 100m3, please fixit. No, that is intended. The Thorax was supposed to get nerfed to 100m3, then with RMR everyone's drone bay got halved.
dubal	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:13:00 - [759] The tutorial needs work, the bit where you look for the key in the complex is messed up. Someone else kills the guy with the key. So you take the key out, then the agression timer kicks in and its a free for all Course the tutorial doesnt know what the timer is
Jubeli	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:16:00 - [760] When using the new factory & lab function there is no way to see differance on BPO and BPC. Earlier you could have one BPO hangar in corp and one BPC, that way when you copy stuff you took from BPO hangar and ejected to BPC. Today you only have Blueprints and a station and I get all the BPs there so I can't choose to only view my BPOs. If data similar to the escrow info can be added on the BPs when you select corp BPs that would be great, or just have a check box where you can choose not to see BPCs. :)

Colton	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:17:00 - [761] BAH! Ive been a part of many mmog games of the years and never, not once...ever has one of them become unplayable due to a patch or upgrade. This patch is just a piece of shoddy work. I sincerely think that the scope of this game has outgrown its creators abilities to manipulate it. They are fast losing what grip they may have on it. As far as the font goes, thats one of the few things about the patch I do like. I like the overall look of the patch, but the lag keeps me from enjoying anything about this game very much anymore. 3days have I been unable to play this. 3 days!
FiberEagle	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:18:00 - [762] fine simple question ; What's wrong with eve now? Im watching at a reboot screen for half hour now
Harkus	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:19:00 - [763] Just a small list of issues: - Drones take forever to deploy. 30 seconds to deploy 5 drones = certain death if you are in a drone ship. (On the otherhand, "Return to drone bay" is working) - Some NPC rats in missions are not showing up in overview. No matter what I select in overview filter settings, they would not show. The workaround was to right click on the rat itself and manually add to the overview then save the setting. - The "Reload all" command sometimes results in some guns/launchers not reloading properly.
Demeck	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:21:00 - [764] ever since RMR im having multiple BSOD and serious system failure warnings..ive experienced at least 6 since RMR went live.never had a prob b4 then.i thought i had corrupt system so i reinstalled windows followed by all the latest graphic drivers and all service packs..and yet again as soon as i engage with npc with torps i get blue screened again..i have pettioned it and sent all logs and dxdiag information..at 1.30am last night but yet to have a response. i cant do anything in the game but log on and talk..otherwise i get BSOD.i cant get invite to channels cause it says my client is damaged..ur new client build that is 3796.so at the mo im pretty dissappointed with rmr..:( as its just stopped me dead from playing what i would consider the best online game going.
Elah Elahson	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:21:00 - [765] Please finish the factory and lab interface. I assume that since the window still says 'Under Construction' I'm not going out on a limb in thinking that this feature is still half baked. Specifically: Allow jobs to be ejected. I accidentally queued a job while I was figuring out the interface and now I can't touch it. Ejecting a queued job should give a full refund. Do not use up a lab/factory slot for queued jobs. If the job isn't active, it should not count towards your total. The right click to install a print in a lab/factory is a nice feature, but remove the invalid options, such as researching and copying a BPC. I'm assuming that wouldn't be hard at all. The lab/factory management install window combines the contents of multiple corporate hangers, making it useless. Allow a single corporate hanger to be selected. In general, you still need a better way to tell BPOs and BPCs appart. Different images or different mouse over text would be nice. Anything!
Corgon	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:24:00 - [766] Originally by: lles The thorax drone hold is now 50m3, while it should been 100m3, please fixit. I can assure you the drones still kick ass. They have been made tougher hence less drone space on the Rax. Check the what the drone skills do now As for the RMR patch stability... sorry guys, maybe you should take Eve offline for a day or two to get this sorted out properly. Corgon.
IceElf1	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:25:00 - [767] anyone know the estimated down time this time
Alex Logan	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:28:00 - [768] Im going to be as constructive as poss, moaning about lag is not really a bug now is it?! Im sure a lot of this lag is down to people using the autopatch as well... delay on drone menu appearing on the overview nos and cloaking device sound fx missing *cant see decimal points sometimes on font (LCD monitor so my image is crystal clear) so sometimes it looks like im wrecking for 70000
IceElf1	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:28:00 - [769] anyone know the estimated down time this time
Commander Peter	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:32:00 - [770] Hi guys, let me give you an idea to deal with the game issues and the unhappy customer. Build an little "Account Skill Management" program, that allow us to keep learning whyle developers fix the bugs. A 2X velocity of learning maybe calm down the people and give you some time to relaxed work. It's just an idea. What do you think about it? Peter

Fynn Rikdo	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:34:00 - [771] I'm really beginning to be irked by the term 'successfully' in the newsposts I see every time I hit the button trying to figure out why I can't connect or why I got booted out... I'm trying to be patient about it but the game caused catastrophic crashes for me 3 times last night, runs slower, looks worse... it seemed well nigh perfect when I joined not long ago, and this is pretty jarring. I don't see how the fonts were 'broken' before, they didn't need fixing. And the asterisk inserted into emotes is, quite frankly, retarded. I don't see why that was necessary right in the middle of the emote like that. In general I was really pleased with the look of things pre-RMR, especially the relaxed and graceful fonts you looked at for a while, like warp drive and stargate activation. The whole thing looked like an eye-candy screenshot, it was great. But I'd take all the ugly formatting in the world if I weren't left staring at it while my ship hung endlessly in star-jump or I waited for the bazillion bait containers at each stargate to finally spawn themselves. My suggestions: 1) Please allow players the option to turn off sound effects. Something the new expansion is doing with my sound card on certain explosions is causing my entire system to reboot. I would rather play in total silence than deal with the "reboot cannon". I set the Master Volume to 0 and it still did not solve the problem. 2) Please allow players the option to turn off selected icons the way they can turn off items in the overview. Hanging those little icons in 3D around my ship seems unnecessary when I cannot interact with them and have no interest in their presence. I really don't need to see the bazillion secure containers in the belts when I'm rat-hunting, and since RMR what had been a slightly unpleasant hangup entering these systems has turned into a NASTY lag that lets any hostiles get the jump on me long before things start appearing on my screen. I understand the pride in not sharding the servers but it seems the popularity of EvE is outpacing the ability of CCP to provide good service to the people connecting. You say in one post from the EvE staff to have patience as 15K other players log on, but pre-RMR there were 18-19K people on a night for several nights, if 15K is a problem then it's not going to go away except by losing customers. Not meaning to whine here but I'm frustrated, I haven't been on long enough to have an attachment that overwhelms that frustration, and the fact that this is termed 'success' doesn't bode well for the future. Please reassure us that this is NOT what you consider to be a success, or let us know when you expect us to be able to see that success for ourselves.
Aelfweald	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:37:00 - [772] I'd rather see just a little box on a main page somewhere that gave us a clue what the current estimated downtime was. Even if it's just a WAG, then mark it as such and update it when you have a clearer idea.
Blakord	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:38:00 - [773] Edited by: Blakord on 17/12/2005 17:41:42 Edited by: Blakord on 17/12/2005 17:39:06 Originally by: Commander Peter Hi guys, let me give you an idea to deal with the game issues and the unhappy customer. Build an little "Account Skill Management" program, that allow us to keep learning whyle developers fix the bugs. A 2X velocity of learning maybe calm down the people and give you some time to relaxed work. It's just an idea. What do you think about it? Peter great idea man, if is possible then we can wait relaxed if can learn skill while Please consider my petition to Originally by: Blakord Hi, well I'm old in MMORPG since UO, I'm programmer to, and really understand how hard is maintain stability in complex multi user programs like EvE, but you also have to consider the user, I'm on trial now, I was planing buy the game, but now I have 3 of 6 days in trial playing bad (bad first impression) anyway some friends tell me this is uncommon The question is, have you planed extend trial accounts for recover missing days? only 14 days on trial, and just 3 of 6 days playing, 3 days missed is not fair
Jesters Knight	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:39:00 - [774] not sure if this should go here, but on the main Eve homepage the main image says "Moon Rising" and some of the other text is cutoff on teh left side of the screen. whenever i resixe the page to see the full image then it auto expandes bigger than the "window" it is in again and cuts off the words again. this will give your web guys somethign to do while everyone else works on the servers :)
Blaze Oglory	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:40:00 - [775] Hey ccp(morons)this patch is up to your usual standard of work, more holes and bugs than actual content, well done.
Jesters Knight	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:41:00 - [776] Edited by: Jesters Knight on 17/12/2005 17:42:32 EDIT: massive lag caused double post
Valeria Wolf	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:41:00 - [777] Problems: 1 - lag 2 - lag 3 - lag 4 - buddy online notification system is totally messed up 5 - did I mention lag (with less that 5k people online) Mad about the issues but happy Im not in customer service :)
InfernalRage	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:43:00 - [778] Originally by: Fynn Rikdo I'm really beginning to be irked by the term 'successfully' in the newsposts I see every time I hit the button trying to figure out why I can't connect or why I got booted out... I'm trying to be patient about it but the game caused catastrophic crashes for me 3 times last night, runs slower, looks worse... it seemed well nigh perfect when I joined not long ago, and this is pretty jarring. I don't see how the fonts were 'broken' before, they didn't need fixing. And the asterisk inserted into emotes is, quite frankly, retarded. I don't see why that was necessary right in the middle of the emote like that. In general I was really pleased with the look of things pre-RMR, especially the relaxed and graceful fonts you looked at for a while, like warp drive and stargate activation. The whole thing looked like an eye-candy screenshot, it was great. But I'd take all the ugly formatting in the world if I weren't left staring at it while my ship hung endlessly in star-jump or I waited for the bazillion bait containers at each stargate to finally spawn themselves. My suggestions: 1) Please allow players the option to turn off sound effects. Something the new expansion is doing with my sound card on certain explosions is causing my entire system to reboot. I would rather play in total silence than deal with the "reboot cannon". I set the Master Volume to 0 and it still did not solve the problem. 2) Please allow players the option to turn off selected icons the way they can turn off items in the overview. Hanging those little icons in 3D around my ship seems unnecessary when I cannot interact with them and have no interest in their presence. I really don't need to see the bazillion secure containers in the belts when I'm rat-hunting, and since RMR what had been a slightly unpleasant hangup entering these systems has turned into a NASTY lag that lets any hostiles get the jump on me long before things start appearing on my screen. I understand the pride in not sharding the servers but it seems the popularity of EvE is outpacing the ability of CCP to provide good service to the people connecting. You say in one post from the EvE staff to have patience as 15K other players log on, but pre-RMR there were 18-19K people on a night for several nights, if 15K is a problem then it's not going to go away except by losing customers. Not meaning to whine here but I'm frustrated, I haven't been on long enough to have an attachment that overwhelms that frustration, and the fact that this is termed 'success' doesn't bode well for the future. Please reassure us that this is NOT what you consider to be a success, or let us know when you expect us to be able to see that success for ourselves. well said mate. honestly, why dont they just add an option to choose your own font from the setup menu. :\| crediting us for all the downtime would also be... apreciated.
Jesters Knight	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:46:00 - [779] Originally by: Fynn Rikdo 1) Please allow players the option to turn off sound effects. Something the new expansion is doing with my sound card on certain explosions is causing my entire system to reboot. I would rather play in total silence than deal with the "reboot cannon". I set the Master Volume to 0 and it still did not solve the problem. um.... i dont understand the problem, in teh escape menu there is a tab for audio, and there is a checkbox for turning off sound... this also fixed several issues i had running multiple clients on the same computer pre-RMR, i cant login with even one account now to see whats goin on this morning
Serok	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:47:00 - [780] Originally by: Fynn Rikdo My suggestions: 1) Please allow players the option to turn off sound effects. I think ctrl+alt+shift+f12 does this. One of the machines I play on has issues with sound too, and that is how I turn my sound off when it starts acting up.

Fynn Rikdo	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:53:00 - [781] See, the downtime doesn't really bother me that much, I can live without my 10 cents or whatever, I am reading a book and kicking back waiting. The thing is, that it's part of the 'success' and we're told to be patient because 15K players are connecting. That tells me RMR was designed to accomodate far less players than actually connect, and that rather than fix this problem CCP expects us to adapt to it. I do wish, though, they could roll back to the old version until they fix what's wrong with this one, if it's going to take multiple days to deal with... I would so rather let them work on it longer and enjoy my free content later than sit around wondering what I can expect from this kind of success. I don't think they're incompetant but I'm concerned as to why their triple-testing wasn't able to forecast this extended downtime. I think something in the program was far too ambitious for their actual capacity, and it troubles me that they don't seem to know/tell us what went wrong. If they let us in on what's going wrong, I'd be far more confident that it would go right in the future. But mostly I'd really like the option to cut down on the visual spam and the rebooting, hence suggestions above.
Kholdan	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:53:00 - [782] WELL HASNT THIS PATCH TURNED OUT SOOO FINE (NOT) HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS FOR EXAMPLE: LOCKING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF SPACE ,NOT BEEN ABLE TO JUMP THROUGH STARGATES, GETTING KICKED EVERY 2MINS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. WE THEN GET TOLD TO BE PATIENT WELL TO BE QUITE HONEST MY PATIENCE IS REALLY WEARING THIN NOW. WE PAY FOR A GAME SO WE CAN PLAY IT NOT JUST FOR THE GOOD OF OUR HEALTH. I HAVE 3 ACCOUNTS WHICH DOES NOT RUN CHEAP AS NONE ARE TRIALS AND AM UNABLE TO LOG INTO ANY AND WHEN I EMAILED I WAS TOLD TO CHECK MY SPEC OF PC ETC I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING FOBBED OFF ALL THE TIME AND THINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD THEREFORE BE ENTILTED TO ONE FREE MONTH GAMEPLAY WHEN THIS PATCH IS FINALLY SORTED.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:58:00 - [783] Edited by: Tas Devil on 17/12/2005 18:00:01 Originally by: Kholdan WELL HASNT THIS PATCH TURNED OUT SOOO FINE (NOT) HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS FOR EXAMPLE: LOCKING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF SPACE ,NOT BEEN ABLE TO JUMP THROUGH STARGATES, GETTING KICKED EVERY 2MINS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. WE THEN GET TOLD TO BE PATIENT WELL TO BE QUITE HONEST MY PATIENCE IS REALLY WEARING THIN NOW. WE PAY FOR A GAME SO WE CAN PLAY IT NOT JUST FOR THE GOOD OF OUR HEALTH. I HAVE 3 ACCOUNTS WHICH DOES NOT RUN CHEAP AS NONE ARE TRIALS AND AM UNABLE TO LOG INTO ANY AND WHEN I EMAILED I WAS TOLD TO CHECK MY SPEC OF PC ETC I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING FOBBED OFF ALL THE TIME AND THINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD THEREFORE BE ENTILTED TO ONE FREE MONTH GAMEPLAY WHEN THIS PATCH IS FINALLY SORTED. donate your stuff to a noob and go kill yourself... seriously do us all a favour... its borky .. its laggy its the suxor for now... but 1 month free time for 3 days hangups ? you still believe in santa clauss or what ?
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:58:00 - [784] Edited by: Tas Devil on 17/12/2005 17:59:28 double post
Fynn Rikdo	Posted - 2005.12.17 17:59:00 - [785] Originally by: Jesters Knight um.... i dont understand the problem, in teh escape menu there is a tab for audio, and there is a checkbox for turning off sound... this also fixed several issues i had running multiple clients on the same computer pre-RMR, i cant login with even one account now to see whats goin on this morning That's odd, don't know how I missed it-- like I said, haven't been playing that long. I'll look again when (if) I can connect-- my wife and friend didn't find it either, we must all be bliiind. OK change the suggestion to making the box much more obvious perhaps? (sheepish grin)
Constantinee	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:02:00 - [786] Originally by: Kholdan WELL HASNT THIS PATCH TURNED OUT SOOO FINE (NOT) HAD NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS FOR EXAMPLE: LOCKING UP IN THE MIDDLE OF SPACE ,NOT BEEN ABLE TO JUMP THROUGH STARGATES, GETTING KICKED EVERY 2MINS, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. WE THEN GET TOLD TO BE PATIENT WELL TO BE QUITE HONEST MY PATIENCE IS REALLY WEARING THIN NOW. WE PAY FOR A GAME SO WE CAN PLAY IT NOT JUST FOR THE GOOD OF OUR HEALTH. I HAVE 3 ACCOUNTS WHICH DOES NOT RUN CHEAP AS NONE ARE TRIALS AND AM UNABLE TO LOG INTO ANY AND WHEN I EMAILED I WAS TOLD TO CHECK MY SPEC OF PC ETC I FEEL LIKE WE ARE GETTING FOBBED OFF ALL THE TIME AND THINK THAT EVERYONE SHOULD THEREFORE BE ENTILTED TO ONE FREE MONTH GAMEPLAY WHEN THIS PATCH IS FINALLY SORTED. the point is CCP rushed this patch way befor it was ready ive had many problems wioth the lag and buddy notification to not only that but im missing lots of sounds some that are very inportant (locking indicators) plus the jump and explosions the list goes on with the sounds that i am missing.also having problems with fitting weapons and ammo at the pos For example i fitted 6 seige launchers on a raven when i went to shoot an npc only 5 0f the 6 worked the one that dident work said that the moduale has run out of charges wich is proposterus because it had 15 torps in it.i refit it 3 more times and no change i would try a new launcher but i dont have any more the weird thing is that that launcher that did not fire was the one that was un packaged the otheres were repackaged and stacked. CCP.....get a hotfix out here asap
Lucas Smaise	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:03:00 - [787] We kill FIX already so we are happy. 8) Just have to adapt and not fly the expensive ships. Lucas Smaise
ro prefect	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:04:00 - [788] Edited by: ro prefect on 17/12/2005 18:05:24 IMHO (and realizing I don't know your exact setup)... 4-5 years ago problems like this was normal and expected, but these days you have some powerful load/stress testing software that should find these type of problems before production release. You couple that with redundant production data servers and problems like this should be rare. And I love the game, but you need to add a few more people to your deployment and testing department. I have a feeling there you have a few doing a lot. I just hope CCP does not consider these problems and downtime as acceptable practice and just part of upgrading.
Nash	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:05:00 - [789] Sorry for replicating the News flash from the Client but this post will hopefully help CCP with the issue and update those that might missed in game... News Rebooting and doing changes to our database reported by: Oveur \| 2005.12.17 17:35:49 We rebooted Tranquility today since there were hundreds of people getting stuck every hour. We're also moving some of the new high load tables to faster drive volumes on our SQL cluster. We're still investigating what's causing the performance problems which eventually results in Tranquility getting into this stuck scenario. All able hands are reading logs, debugging and monitoring Tranquility and we could also use your help. Running the log-server and submitting the log from it can help us immensely to better understand what's affecting the client-server communications. How to use the log server can be read about in this forum thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3714). We're all very sorry for the inconvenience this is causing, if you have lost anything due to the server problems, please petition your loss to the GM's.
Thundraz0r	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:05:00 - [790] Originally by: Commander Peter Hi guys, let me give you an idea to deal with the game issues and the unhappy customer. Build an little "Account Skill Management" program, that allow us to keep learning whyle developers fix the bugs. A 2X velocity of learning maybe calm down the people and give you some time to relaxed work. It's just an idea. What do you think about it? Peter Great idea! Please ccp consider this.

Aelfweald	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:10:00 - [791] Cross your fingers mates
Aelfweald	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:10:00 - [792] Edited by: Aelfweald on 17/12/2005 18:13:39
Noelf	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:12:00 - [793] You know guys we can stop posting crap in this thread, I went back ten pages and there's no response from CCP so I don't think they're reading it or even care... despite what the home page here might say. All I came here for today was to find out how long the sever was going to be down this time but I guess it was too much trouble to tell us that, even when people are asking here. It's not in the news or dev blog or home page or forum or this thread or anywhere. All it says on the client is they're very sorry. Yeah I agree... You're very sorry alright.
Fynn Rikdo	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:15:00 - [794] Cut it out, that's not constructive nor fair-- I'm glad they put the newspost up, everything (including this webpage) has been so slow and hard to navigate that I just didn't see it until I had to re-log (which was coincidentally when someone reposted it here) If all able hands are working on it, what more do you expect? They supposed to psychically know how long it's going to take them to suss out a bug they don't understand? Knowing what they've been doing with the downtime and what they're doing to correct it is immensely better than staring at "We've successfully rolled out Red Moon Rising" for hours.
Xauxau	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:18:00 - [795] Originally by: Kholdan WELL HASNT THIS PATCH TURNED OUT SOOO FINE (NOT) The capslock key, once again the express highway to Cool!
Li'l Ze	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:19:00 - [796] Well, day two on a problem filled major patch. I made the mistake of trying to begin training some of the new skills and now, again, they have been re-starting for the last two hours. Proxy not connected, etc etc. What the hell is a "Planck Bubble Stabilizer" ? Sounds like something else thats blows smoke up our asses. If our POS goes down due to lack of fuel I am really going to be **ed. Still starting up here. I see finally 50 players on, then 1800, still get cluster starting up messages. What, they going by time zone now? Ah, the whole thing is down again. CCP, you really meesed this one up big time. Don't ** down my back and tell me it's rainin
Atu Akari	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:22:00 - [797] I love this game and have spent countless hours for the last year and a half playing, running a corp, meeting and helping peeps from all over the world, with that being said, I am extremely disappointed and unhappy atm, even **ed off for paying for this service. Here is a small list of the issues I've encountered during this rediculous escapade: constructive critiscism follows, take it how you like it but I am the paying customer and will voice my opinion. ~Downtime notice of maybe 3 days was insufficient. ~Proposed 24 hour downtime was imo understandable, even the extension could be expected, but the lack of progress reports and updates to us, the paying community, is completely unacceptable. ~Proceeding with the upgrade while known network issues existed is careless and shows a lack of respect for the paying customers. ~Installing the new patch did a full install, (uninstalled the previous version - NUKING my preferences and bookmarks without a clear warning). Fortunately I had a backup but how many people out there did not? The installer should warn of this and give the option to back up the user's settings before proceeding. Maybe it did and I was going too fast? ~Losing game time amounting to a few days as well as losing skill training time while still paying for this game/service is a lose lose lose situation for us. I suggest incorporating what was said above, increase the multiplyer of training time during these downtimes, it would at least apease many of us in that we would still be getting something for our money. But it is still an issue right now for many of us, we've been paying for a service that is not being delivered. ~I don't know about everyone else, but hearing this patch called a success just irks me to no end. This is not a success, YET, and is bordering failure status in my books. In game issues: ~Lag has made the game unplayable, market, escrow, missions, even undocking is a flip of the coin whether it will work or not. ~Release notes did not prepare us at all for what was coming in respect to losing our labs and factories. ~There are less labs and factory slots now and the cost has gone up substantially. I do not know a way to confirm this other than to say there are none available in some locations that I use and I have not loaded up all my jobs. This on the first day after the patch tells me there are less. Had I known of this beforehand I might have done something to avoid the issues I am having. As it is now, I have multiple bpo's sitting idle and that just es me off. ~Differentiating between bpo's and bpc's is now impossible unless you show info on each and every one. At least before the patch, we could look via a labslot and see if there were any bpo's in a group of prints. It would be much apreciated if bpo's were given a distinguishing mark or color so that we can find them without spending hours going through all of them. Or a way to sort bpc's out. ~Copy-n-paste via the mouse no longer works in escrow, seems ok everywhere else. ~The font issue I won't bring up since we've been warned about being banned if we do so, real good customer service there lol. Whoever said that deserves to be b**slapped. Give us some friggen feedback on the issue and you'll get less complaining. ~Stopping ore thieves: this is a double edged sword, great we can kill them but the lag resulting from the hundreds and thousands of new cans being deployed as traps is going to cause massive lag. ~Bump nerf: I can no longer smash macro miners out of asteroid belts when I see them. So sad, now there is no way to annoy macro miners other than to become an ore thief. ~Numerous other complaints in this thread also apply but I will not repeat them all. cont'd in next thread. Atu
Jazen	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:24:00 - [798] I just think its funny how many "Congrats CCP for RMR!" threads there were... I know its hard to test certain things (open up testing more and stuff like this wouldn't happen, can't test something for 19000 with 200 people). But I don't believe it will change. Honestly...how many of you that are ****ed off over all this are actually gonna stop playing because of it? .....I'm waiting..... Very few if any. Because CCP knows that we've all invested a butt load of time and effort into the game (especially you beta testers out there), to just give it up over a few days/weeks of crap game play. I won't lie...I'm not happy with 80% of RMR because I don't think it was tested properly and I don't think some good suggestions that testers gave CCP were listened to. IE...the new font, etc... But like I said...i've put too much time and effort into this damn game to let a few days/weeks of BS make me quit. If I quit I'd just have to go put up with it at some other MMO. -Semper Fi-
Atu Akari	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:25:00 - [799] cont'd Analogy: IRL, If I were to charge my clients for a network or software upgrade that resulted in them not being able to do what they need to do and or caused worse performance than before the upgrade, and told them they need to be patient for another day or two or three, I would be instantly fired by the client. This entire process has been handled in an extremely poor and incompetent manner, with no regard for customer service whatsoever. CCP, if nothing else, you really should look into hiring someone who would at least keep the paying community informed in a timely manner of what is or is not going on. Problems happen, that is part of life, but in this day and age there is no excuse for not informing us of what is going on. Nothing ticks me off more than to be ignored or overlooked especially when I am paying for a service. During these upgrades the homepage would be a good place to put "constant" updates up so even visitors know what is going on. And I'm talking about hourly updates not daily. I made the mistake of recommending this game to a few people today, they tried it and they lasted one hour before going back to their other games, if the homepage had information about what is going on they might have understood, but now they look at it as a poorly organized and written game that is just unplayable. I hope you heed some of our requests and continue producing a great game, but I will not wait much longer for information about what is going on or for that matter for the problems to be rectified. Atu
TuRtLe HeAd	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:25:00 - [800] Edited by: TuRtLe HeAd on 17/12/2005 18:28:07 I'm undetered, I have a life outside of EvE, When EvE is sorted I'll continue playing the game I love so much. I've got the same lag issues every one else has. Quote: Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong. Quote: The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly. When its working its working , in the mean time, Im going to go consume copious amounts of alcohol. And Letch all the lovely ladies in the pubs (Might get a slap off the missus too) Poor CCP, You guys must be taking a nailing right now. Keep up the good work. ------------------------------------------------ I Pity the Fool !

Eewec Ourbyni	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:26:00 - [801] Please read I particularily like the first reply
Li'l Ze	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:27:00 - [802] Another note. Handing out what seemed like thousands of free trial accounts yesterday was not the smartest idea. Don't **** down my back and tell me it's rainin
Wiggy69	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:28:00 - [803] Pressing Ctrl + Tab to clear things away from the view doesn't work as it should. You press it and a little box comes up, so you press clear windows (or whatever it is) and the windows disappear. But pressing Ctrl + Tab to bring them back doesn't work! I have to wait to pass through a gate or log before I can do anything else. Also, the font is UBER ICKY and it's giving me headaches. Change it back please.
Noelf	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:29:00 - [804] Dont know why I bother with this but... "Cut it out, that's not constructive nor fair-- I'm glad they put the newspost up, everything (including this webpage) has been so slow and hard to navigate that I just didn't see it until I had to re-log (which was coincidentally when someone reposted it here)" Telling CCP to respond to what people are saying, or expressing discontent with the fact that they are not responding, is both fair and constructive. I'd like to see more communication from CCP to the users. Perhaps you have seen 1 news post that I have not, I did look, didnt see anything new. "If all able hands are working on it, what more do you expect? They supposed to psychically know how long it's going to take them to suss out a bug they don't understand?" No, I expect them to give an estimate, or say they don't know how long and will let us know more when they have an idea of how long it will take. Again, communication is the issue. "Knowing what they've been doing with the downtime and what they're doing to correct it is immensely better than staring at "We've successfully rolled out Red Moon Rising" for hours." This is considered headline news by CCP: 12/16/2005 Red Moon Rising Released Red Moon Rising has been successfully released onto Tranquility. The update took approximitly 26 hour to complete which was only 2 hours more than planned. We are of course keeping a very close eye on the update and will work hard to eliminate all issues as fast as possible. Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On Jupiter and Mars In other words, hold my hand In other words, baby kiss me Fill my heart with song Let me sing for ever more You are all I long for All I worship and adore In other words, please be true In other words, I love you ...CCP Staff Come on - thats news? And everybody knows what they're doing, rofl, theyre trying to fix it. All I'm really saying is it would be better if instead of letting themselves get flamed to death on their own forums they could communicate to us better. Not that this will be read or anything, lol, I suppose its not constructive to ask that they TALK to us!
Happysin	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:31:00 - [805] Quote: I'm undetered, I have a life outside of EvE, When EvE is sorted I'll continue playing the game I love so much. I've got the same lag issues every one else has. Blasphmer! one cannot have a life outside of EVE!
Silberhaar	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:32:00 - [806] This Can crime flagging needs a small modification. Just add a 15 to 30 min timer to the Cans! After the timer runs out, the can is considered abandoned and is free for all to loot and no flagging anymore for that can. If you want to hold stuff longer in the space then use a secure container!
SoldierOfFortune	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:38:00 - [807] Just wondering if any mods or devs can give us an update on the current server restarts that are taking place, what you guys and girls trying to fix and put a lid on :) "RAWR" is my keyword, and also my second language
Commander Tye	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:49:00 - [808] Originally by: SoldierOfFortune Just wondering if any mods or devs can give us an update on the current server restarts that are taking place, what you guys and girls trying to fix and put a lid on :) News Rebooting and doing changes to our database reported by: Oveur \| 2005.12.17 17:35:49 We rebooted Tranquility today since there were hundreds of people getting stuck every hour. We're also moving some of the new high load tables to faster drive volumes on our SQL cluster. We're still investigating what's causing the performance problems which eventually results in Tranquility getting into this stuck scenario. All able hands are reading logs, debugging and monitoring Tranquility and we could also use your help. Running the log-server and submitting the log from it can help us immensely to better understand what's affecting the client-server communications. How to use the log server can be read about in this forum thread (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3714). We're all very sorry for the inconvenience this is causing, if you have lost anything due to the server problems, please petition your loss to the GM's.
Jazen	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:53:00 - [809] Gotta love the Eve rollercoaster....first it goes up incredibly slow, building your anticipation and excitement...then it goes down super fast, and you're left screaming with an empty feeling in your stomach. -Semper Fi-
Ysro Ormja	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:55:00 - [810] Sorry if this has been mentioned already, but it looks like there's a problem with EVEmail today. Every time I open my Evemail and then click on a message to read, it immediately kicks me out of the game. I doesn't seem to happen when I click on the person who sent the message, only if I try to click on the message itself, over on the right. Just an fyi.

truefranco	Posted - 2005.12.17 18:57:00 - [811] Hi there. Is any one getting "The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time. Please try again shortly" when loging in ??. and my Subscription details give a "COMM_ERROR".
erConte	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:16:00 - [812] Edited by: erConte on 17/12/2005 19:17:30 The Celestis fit-window still reports 2 missile hardpoints, but only one, according to RMR changes, is usable.
Asinalya Mayel	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:17:00 - [813] Wow! People must love EVE enormously to display so much anger and frustration ! For sure it's frustrating, but hey I pay to support the game and its evolution, not to earn the right of shouting at people as soon as they make a mistake; I've read somewhere that companies that would do the same in the business world would be instantly fired... Well, I can assure you that it's often not the case. I've seen many consultants and companies making big mistakes and being hired again... For many reasons... As for EVE, it's because we love the game, it's the only one of its kind and "we" want to support its evolution, don't we ? Of course if it lasts more than a week, I'll be worried and might reconsider my subscription ! But give them some time and less stress, they'll only work better and fix all this earlier.
Asinalya Mayel	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:17:00 - [814] Wow! People must love EVE enormously to display so much anger and frustration ! For sure it's frustrating, but hey I pay to support the game and its evolution, not to earn the right of shouting at people as soon as they make a mistake; I've read somewhere that companies that would do the same in the business world would be instantly fired... Well, I can assure you that it's often not the case. I've seen many consultants and companies making big mistakes and being hired again... For many reasons... As for EVE, it's because we love the game, it's the only one of its kind and "we" want to support its evolution, don't we ? Of course if it lasts more than a week, I'll be worried and might reconsider my subscription ! But give them some time and less stress, they'll only work better and fix all this earlier.
Kleitos	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:41:00 - [815] Market Problems, 'Price History' hangs and won't display. After hitting price history, unable to switch back to 'Market Data'. Hope this helps. Can everyone quit complaining on this thread? If you want things fixed, quit taking up CCP's time with whining.
Kleitos	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:41:00 - [816] Market Problems, 'Price History' hangs and won't display. After hitting price history, unable to switch back to 'Market Data'. Hope this helps. Can everyone quit complaining on this thread? If you want things fixed, quit taking up CCP's time with whining.
Jhonen Senraedi	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:50:00 - [817] Ah well at least the screwy security increases have shown up at last...BUT... Although still in my purchased game 30 day free period...I am technically a subscriber...having bought the game and wanting to continue to play after 30 days are up and am somewhat at a loss as to the current problems..... Not being able to log in even though another 13k plus people on Tranquility can.. Logging in but not being able to get in game... Being booted for unscheduled downtimes in middle of time critical missions... Painful lag....already cost me a destroyer and it's loadout..plus a mission specific commodity.... Suppose the CCP view is... It will be fixed when it's fixed. At least you could log in eventually.. We cannot re-imburse a loss due to lag(even though it was caused by us and you were only fighting npc's) Well..ok...Are CCP going to re-imburse everyone for lost play time,Lost training time etc? Damn well should as,although new to this...I do like the game...and I do have an opinion....and it's worth just as much as someone here from day 1...as we are all equally paying for the product. In real life..if you buy a faulty product you can usually change it...get reimbursed..or get some form of compensation.I think the latter would be appropriate for many as CCP isn't hardly responding to customer comments here...which shows bad PR on their part..
Jhonen Senraedi	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:50:00 - [818] Ah well at least the screwy security increases have shown up at last...BUT... Although still in my purchased game 30 day free period...I am technically a subscriber...having bought the game and wanting to continue to play after 30 days are up and am somewhat at a loss as to the current problems..... Not being able to log in even though another 13k plus people on Tranquility can.. Logging in but not being able to get in game... Being booted for unscheduled downtimes in middle of time critical missions... Painful lag....already cost me a destroyer and it's loadout..plus a mission specific commodity.... Suppose the CCP view is... It will be fixed when it's fixed. At least you could log in eventually.. We cannot re-imburse a loss due to lag(even though it was caused by us and you were only fighting npc's) Well..ok...Are CCP going to re-imburse everyone for lost play time,Lost training time etc? Damn well should as,although new to this...I do like the game...and I do have an opinion....and it's worth just as much as someone here from day 1...as we are all equally paying for the product. In real life..if you buy a faulty product you can usually change it...get reimbursed..or get some form of compensation.I think the latter would be appropriate for many as CCP isn't hardly responding to customer comments here...which shows bad PR on their part..
Dankaroo	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:52:00 - [819] I've been avoiding posting cause I get hostile in the forums, but I've gotten too frustrated. So here we go. 1.I've lost count of the number of times I've been droped(4 in the last 45min) 2. Crash to desktop from the market.(2 times in the last 45min) 3.Had corp chat lock up on me. Can't type into it, can't receive anything back in it, yet all the other chats work fine. Interesting. 4. How about the font that makes my eyes bleed? 5. The black screen of death when you undock/dock. Why should I have to reboot my system every time I dock/undock? 6. Locking up a minimum of 1 jump outta of 4, and thats gotten better from what it was a couple of days ago. Once again gotta reboot just to travel? 7. Right you cut my drone bays on everything, some to a third of what it was just to reduce lag? Anybody seen reduced lag? I can barely do anything due to lag, sure worked didn't it? 8. Crash to desk top from the industry/research tab when I tried to bring up my corp BPO's. 9. Character selection failed. And failed. And failed....etc etc 10. 12k players online but can't connect due to cluster restarting. Wow And with my buddy in the same station sitting 5 foot away from me doing it with no prob. Damn selective clusters. 11. Rats spawning every 3-5 min in a .7 sec roid field, out running my light drones badly, and owning my buddies destroyer? While I had my coveters Drone bay cut to a third and a month(or more)of skill training to catch up to where I was. Thanx for the time sink 12. 12k players online but can't connect to server. 13. I'll say it. Lag so bad that by the time I log in the new patch is getting ready to be released. To sum it up and end the rant. I came here from an EA game, they patched and made it so horribly laggy and buggy that most ppl left. Was impressed with the way Eve was going, but damn guys this is horrible. Whats going on with the game is makeing baby jesus cry. Fix it. I'm done til I can actually play it again. I can't put my anger and frustration into words for ya'll so I'll end it.
Dankaroo	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:52:00 - [820] I've been avoiding posting cause I get hostile in the forums, but I've gotten too frustrated. So here we go. 1.I've lost count of the number of times I've been droped(4 in the last 45min) 2. Crash to desktop from the market.(2 times in the last 45min) 3.Had corp chat lock up on me. Can't type into it, can't receive anything back in it, yet all the other chats work fine. Interesting. 4. How about the font that makes my eyes bleed? 5. The black screen of death when you undock/dock. Why should I have to reboot my system every time I dock/undock? 6. Locking up a minimum of 1 jump outta of 4, and thats gotten better from what it was a couple of days ago. Once again gotta reboot just to travel? 7. Right you cut my drone bays on everything, some to a third of what it was just to reduce lag? Anybody seen reduced lag? I can barely do anything due to lag, sure worked didn't it? 8. Crash to desk top from the industry/research tab when I tried to bring up my corp BPO's. 9. Character selection failed. And failed. And failed....etc etc 10. 12k players online but can't connect due to cluster restarting. Wow And with my buddy in the same station sitting 5 foot away from me doing it with no prob. Damn selective clusters. 11. Rats spawning every 3-5 min in a .7 sec roid field, out running my light drones badly, and owning my buddies destroyer? While I had my coveters Drone bay cut to a third and a month(or more)of skill training to catch up to where I was. Thanx for the time sink 12. 12k players online but can't connect to server. 13. I'll say it. Lag so bad that by the time I log in the new patch is getting ready to be released. To sum it up and end the rant. I came here from an EA game, they patched and made it so horribly laggy and buggy that most ppl left. Was impressed with the way Eve was going, but damn guys this is horrible. Whats going on with the game is makeing baby jesus cry. Fix it. I'm done til I can actually play it again. I can't put my anger and frustration into words for ya'll so I'll end it.

WarRocket Ajax	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:58:00 - [821] I think we should all take comfort in the fact that CCP does not read these forums, all whining and constructive critcism will never be acknowledged. The ISD's will monitor for abuse and that's as far as it goes. Not even our favourite customer support Keiron is making any comments to put us at ease In essence, anything anyone says about Eve perfoming like a bag of ****e is hot gas release and an outlet for the more technical among us. Whine all you like, it aint gonna get anyone anywhere but if it makes you feel good, dont hold back :)
WarRocket Ajax	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:58:00 - [822] I think we should all take comfort in the fact that CCP does not read these forums, all whining and constructive critcism will never be acknowledged. The ISD's will monitor for abuse and that's as far as it goes. Not even our favourite customer support Keiron is making any comments to put us at ease In essence, anything anyone says about Eve perfoming like a bag of ****e is hot gas release and an outlet for the more technical among us. Whine all you like, it aint gonna get anyone anywhere but if it makes you feel good, dont hold back :)
Valeria Wolf	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:59:00 - [823] Cant buy or sell anything from the market when you go to open the buy window you get the outline but it never loads and you eventually get booted. Can your next update give us a realistic estimate of when I should bother coming back? trying to play in this mess is just ****ing everybody off so a timeline would be nice. Alternatively can we have the last version back while you fix RMR??
Valeria Wolf	Posted - 2005.12.17 19:59:00 - [824] Cant buy or sell anything from the market when you go to open the buy window you get the outline but it never loads and you eventually get booted. Can your next update give us a realistic estimate of when I should bother coming back? trying to play in this mess is just ****ing everybody off so a timeline would be nice. Alternatively can we have the last version back while you fix RMR??
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:01:00 - [825] recruitment channel still not working why >?
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:01:00 - [826] recruitment channel still not working why >?
Lady Hells	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:06:00 - [827] Eve is now known as superglue. Whenever I go near it, I get stuck. I like RMR. I really do. I'm not complaining about any nerfs or drone bays or fonts. I've been stuck for about 20 minutes. If I log off, it'll take whothehellknows how long to get back on. Probably just to get stuck again. Or to be told there'll be another unscheduled dt. Maybe I should just come back in a week. Btw, do CCP actually read these threads or is it just the cleaners while they're dusting the desks?
Lady Hells	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:06:00 - [828] Eve is now known as superglue. Whenever I go near it, I get stuck. I like RMR. I really do. I'm not complaining about any nerfs or drone bays or fonts. I've been stuck for about 20 minutes. If I log off, it'll take whothehellknows how long to get back on. Probably just to get stuck again. Or to be told there'll be another unscheduled dt. Maybe I should just come back in a week. Btw, do CCP actually read these threads or is it just the cleaners while they're dusting the desks?
Thermat	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:06:00 - [829] Originally by: Valeria Wolf Cant buy or sell anything from the market when you go to open the buy window you get the outline but it never loads and you eventually get booted. Can your next update give us a realistic estimate of when I should bother coming back? trying to play in this mess is just ****ing everybody off so a timeline would be nice. Alternatively can we have the last version back while you fix RMR?? I completely agree. The last version worked absolutely fine. Roll it back so we can carry on playing. Once your "free" (I'm sure trade descriptions would have CCP on that given we all pay handsomely for the game - a game we now can't play) update is ready and bug free, then patch away folks.
Thermat	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:06:00 - [830] Originally by: Valeria Wolf Cant buy or sell anything from the market when you go to open the buy window you get the outline but it never loads and you eventually get booted. Can your next update give us a realistic estimate of when I should bother coming back? trying to play in this mess is just ****ing everybody off so a timeline would be nice. Alternatively can we have the last version back while you fix RMR?? I completely agree. The last version worked absolutely fine. Roll it back so we can carry on playing. Once your "free" (I'm sure trade descriptions would have CCP on that given we all pay handsomely for the game - a game we now can't play) update is ready and bug free, then patch away folks.

Allterror	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:08:00 - [831] First post for me. I just had too after reading pages and pages of peeps whinning. Lets stop and think. Any of you ever tried to de-bug software? I am amazed every time I log into EVE. That someone can create something like this universe is asounding. I have been playing computer games ever since Intel came out with the 8088 CPU. I have seen a lot of fun games over the years but this one goes beyond that. This game is just unbelievable. Its huge. It has content like I have never seen. And it has "dedicated" support. I was in 'Earth and Beyond' before EVE and we had zero support when compared to this game. I realize everyone is impatient to get playing but just try and put yourself in a Dev's shoes before you whine too loud. You think they are going home after an 8 hour shift? LOL - not likely! They have my thanks and support - complete support. Keep up the good work CCP. and since this is a bug report.... I have been stuck exiting stations several times. I just reboot my character and carry on.
Allterror	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:08:00 - [832] First post for me. I just had too after reading pages and pages of peeps whinning. Lets stop and think. Any of you ever tried to de-bug software? I am amazed every time I log into EVE. That someone can create something like this universe is asounding. I have been playing computer games ever since Intel came out with the 8088 CPU. I have seen a lot of fun games over the years but this one goes beyond that. This game is just unbelievable. Its huge. It has content like I have never seen. And it has "dedicated" support. I was in 'Earth and Beyond' before EVE and we had zero support when compared to this game. I realize everyone is impatient to get playing but just try and put yourself in a Dev's shoes before you whine too loud. You think they are going home after an 8 hour shift? LOL - not likely! They have my thanks and support - complete support. Keep up the good work CCP. and since this is a bug report.... I have been stuck exiting stations several times. I just reboot my character and carry on.
Lady Hells	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:15:00 - [833] Originally by: Allterror First post for me. I just had too after reading pages and pages of peeps whinning. Lets stop and think. Any of you ever tried to de-bug software? and since this is a bug report.... I have been stuck exiting stations several times. I just reboot my character and carry on. With respect (and no, I am not flaming), this is the RMR issues thread where we're expected to post issues. The other threads? Well, we don't have to read them. As for rebooting when stuck? Not working for many people because it's proving impossible to log back on.
Lady Hells	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:15:00 - [834] Originally by: Allterror First post for me. I just had too after reading pages and pages of peeps whinning. Lets stop and think. Any of you ever tried to de-bug software? and since this is a bug report.... I have been stuck exiting stations several times. I just reboot my character and carry on. With respect (and no, I am not flaming), this is the RMR issues thread where we're expected to post issues. The other threads? Well, we don't have to read them. As for rebooting when stuck? Not working for many people because it's proving impossible to log back on.
Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:18:00 - [835] Originally by: sonofollo Edited by: sonofollo on 17/12/2005 11:46:36 well loading up th game now will see if they fixed recruitment channel yet. That and implement for CEOs a last log in in days on all corp members so those that havent logged in for 5 weeks ie trail accounts gone bad or players just vanishing are able to be bounced back to the NPC corps - i prefer active members and hence thats also why the recruitment channel ins important to find new talent Nope still isnt working is this considered high low or non priroity folks - anyone etc etc. Considering the game is basically unplayable I tEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:18:00 - [836] Originally by: sonofollo Edited by: sonofollo on 17/12/2005 11:46:36 well loading up th game now will see if they fixed recruitment channel yet. That and implement for CEOs a last log in in days on all corp members so those that havent logged in for 5 weeks ie trail accounts gone bad or players just vanishing are able to be bounced back to the NPC corps - i prefer active members and hence thats also why the recruitment channel ins important to find new talent Nope still isnt working is this considered high low or non priroity folks - anyone etc etc. Considering the game is basically unplayable I think its probably safe to say that your ability to sit and spam the recruitment channel all day is fairly low priority.
Samuel Vimes	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:19:00 - [837] EVE stole my ore! There seems to be a bug with some EXPIRED buy orders showing on the market. When you sell some ore for example, it shows the expired sell order. You can sell the ore at this price. Then bad things happen The ore dissapears NO isk is transfered (obviuosly becase when you wonder why and hover over the buy order you see it is expired). NO sell orders are shown for the amount you tried to sell The ARE lots of sell orders for the amount I was trying to sell at the station, so I would guess some are mine, but there is no way to access them. As it stand my ore has been stolen! I want it back!
Katabrok First	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:21:00 - [838] Hello. I'm stuck at the character loading screen. I was flying out from my home station, and got kicked from the game. When I restarted the game, I could not load my ship. I can see my character, but after I select him, I receive a black screen with the message: loading katabrok first character. And it does not load. Tks. Katabrok, the space barbarian
Maestro Ulv	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:26:00 - [839] Edited by: Maestro Ulv on 17/12/2005 20:28:04 Manufacturing seems to be bugged. Sure some have already noticed this. Set a build run, watched it tick down over the 2. odd hours, Took the ore. Logged back in today and the ship build is nowhere to be found. Ill petition it after all the server/patch issues are sorted but until then if noone has reported this bug id be careful with manufacturing. after edit Lol, scrap that, Its just the new interface and the "deliver" button.. Yeah im blind, Apoligies CCP.
Bex Beere	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:28:00 - [840] Originally by: Lady Hells With respect (and no, I am not flaming), this is the RMR issues thread where we're expected to post issues. The other threads? Well, we don't have to read them. As for rebooting when stuck? Not working for many people because it's proving impossible to log back on. Yep - I have also joined the ranks of the stuck - and in the middle of two level 4 courier missions both of which were giving out skillbooks for bonuses. Just hope I get unstuck before I take a double standing loss as well. It seems it is also impossible to petition both missions as apparently you can only have one active petition per category. Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp

Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:28:00 - [841] Originally by: F4ze Station services are behind my chat window and I can't get them above it :) Other than that I don't have any issues. The lag will get better, I'm sure of it. This is because with the RmR client the option is defaulted to off. Open the escape menu and recheck the box - move station services to front when clicked.
Ahmelia	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:31:00 - [842] Evil Edna - you're on my kill list - I'm still scouting for u... Originally by: Evil Edna like 4 ctds then server cant connect
wierchas noobhunter	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:31:00 - [843] lol wtf? is so damn laggy and bugs all ower damn guys i have 3x wars on my head ? how i can fight when eve is in this condition? sure i can try to shoot and then wait 5 mins to see results lol ......
Galaxion	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:33:00 - [844] I hereby pronounce Tranquility Dead, time of death 20:31. -----------------------------------------
lee kemp	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:33:00 - [845] market is broken (bad) loot transfer from can to ship is (awful) windows are opening very slowly (bad) i cant log into eve, game just freezes at entering stn/space screen (very bad) i jump from one system to another game frezzes (very bad) i'm starting to wonder if RMR is cursed, exodus patch was never this bad and i aint even mentioning the lag
lee kemp	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:34:00 - [846] Edited by: lee kemp on 17/12/2005 20:38:21 double post, oops
Corfu Darus	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:37:00 - [847] Quote: Whine all you like, it aint gonna get anyone anywhere but if it makes you feel good, dont hold back Thank you, we won't, then.
Gitter Uglyson	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:37:00 - [848] Cant login - Proxy not connected. Was working better before the last unscheduled DT lol
Zubenelgenubi	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:37:00 - [849] my chat windows dont seem to appear not even corp or local. can to cargo lag. general lag. constant drops of connection and lots of trouble getting online.
Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:38:00 - [850] FFS - NO MORE TRIAL ACCOUNTS

Treadwell Sinn	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:40:00 - [851] I like the depth that the new content, ships, modules and skills brings. I don't like that my Thorax had it's drone hold quartered, not halved, from 200 m3 to 50 m3, and that my Retriever can now carry a max of 5 mining drones - I've trained to handle more and want that benefit. Further, the Covetor has the same 50 m3 drone hold! Is that correct? Also, I hate the font - looks like the one that caused a great outcry one or two patches back - why slip that in there again when you know everyone hates it? All in all - I think the changes are good, but there are problems, as with every patch. I only took the time to write because I just got disconnected with a full jetcan of ice about to be hauled in, and drones out. Now that really ****es me off!
Corfu Darus	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:41:00 - [852] Quote: Any of you ever tried to de-bug software? Yes, I even do test-planning and testing, for financial institutions. Something like this does not happen. Bugs, ok, but I don't consider this a bug anymore.
Light Darkness	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:41:00 - [853] To be honest CCP. You created a hard and good work. But please make a patch if its rdy. I can wait a half year without probs. But not so terrible. So for Kali set it to Q1 2007 and check it out before. Not under pressure. My view atm: - Drone Interface and using = terrible (unplayable) - Marked = makes big lag - Grafic bug after closing the MAP - more and more. Keep the good work but dont patch with pressure. Regards /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command
Tristan Jay	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:41:00 - [854] i just got stuck and now i've losted my apoc and a bpo. what can i do to get them back and will i get them back?
Himo Amasacia	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:43:00 - [855] Possible issue here that you need to look at. I was just on, and I docked at ny main station and attempted to open my thoraxs drone bay. I did not have it as the active ship, just right clicked on its image and selected open drone bay. I never got a chance to clear it out before RMR hit, so I wanted to see what if anything had happened to my drones, and to clear the hanger. I had 6 heavies and 8 or 9 mining drones in there if I remember correctly. Anyway the second I did that the drone screen opened, but nothing showed, Magna lag ensued and then Eve fell over. I'm sondering could this be a clue to the crashes and lag. If coupel didn't clear their drones could the server be having fits? I know you could do things like shut off cargo expanders in eve and the cargo didn't go anywhere, but you couldn't jump or undock if you were over the limit. If there is a bug in the drone bays it could be a major issue here that never cropped up as you never reduded drone bays, especially on such a large scale. Might be worth checking out.
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:43:00 - [856] I'm a professional software tester and if this went live and i'd tested it i would not have a job..........it sucks monkey balls
Max Tesla	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:44:00 - [857] Linux is the only way get a server version linux There are many diffrent linux versions some are for home use like (red hat, Xandors, Suse) and some are made for servers And kill Bill ;)
DangermanUK	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:45:00 - [858] I agree with the above. As a software developer myself this situation is far from "normal". The development and test cycles should have picked up these issues long before it was released to the general public!
kod	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:45:00 - [859] At a pos while storing a ship (shuttle)..after storing the ship, My pod was jumped 29km away from the pos, outside the shields. this does not happen all the time.
Ky Vatta	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:46:00 - [860] Have the hamsters gone for their tea-break? OK, seriously....can we get an official word as to when the servers are coming back online?

Moghydin	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:46:00 - [861] I couldn't log for 2 days due to some RL staff. Now I finally logged and so far it's a nightmare. Logging took me 5 minutes to complete. Every action takes a lot of time to finish. Everything is lagging. When ratting 2 drones just dissapeared from the grid. Eventually I was dropped from server and I still can't re-log. All I get is either proxy full or proxy not connected. Right now it looks like i'll finish battleship lvl 5 skill before it gets sorted out... if I'll still be there by that time.
anthonieak	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:47:00 - [862] aggression countdown in 14 minutes In yellow In a mission if not shoot the transport ship you can never get too see second spwan of the supply line. But what holds this in when i go back too my agent will i get shot or is just also part of the mission that the rats may shoot back. AK this was before eve crashed. ***********************************************
DogTyred	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:47:00 - [863] lost ship , no biggie mail turns up , ure friendly blah blah blah default payment for un-insured ship, wtf ? mail turns up , invalidated insurance cos its expired, was it 90 days old no, did i get a message to say it had run out ? did i f*%k. lost iskies approx 40 milj. now most of my mails have disapeared so i can check this out.will a petition do any good, yeah right. had enough, i go play summit else for a few days and come back when i am calmed
Ky Vatta	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:48:00 - [864] This message is now showing: 'Rebooting to deploy server hotfix and more databse changes to address the situation' Personnel Recruiter
BuRnEr	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:50:00 - [865] i¦m not complaining but next time you need to install a hot fix could you please send a message with 1 min warning so we could warp to safe?.
Meris	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:50:00 - [866] Issues I've noticed so far (other than the obvious: font + lag). 1. Reloading guns is no longer reliable. The guns cycle, but remain empty - (these are medium hybrids). 2. The drones _seem_ to be even more liable to clump up and get stuck than before. 3. Some sound corruption on gun fire. 4. Issues with the market tabs - it's difficult to switch back and forth between items and price history. 5. Skill-affected attributes on drones are not changing correctly. 6. Drone deployment takes over a minute for five drones. 7. I'm not sure of this last one: the bonuses from tracking enhancers and mag field stabilisers seem...odd. Anyone else noticed this? Optimals not increasing as expected etc?
Lady Ackrasta	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:52:00 - [867] Originally by: Tristan Jay i just got stuck and now i've losted my apoc and a bpo. what can i do to get them back and will i get them back? You are very likely to get them back. Just file a reimbusement petition, then wait for about a month (estimate given the likely amount of petitions they'll be getting at the moment!)
xecutey	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:53:00 - [868] A GM said that on SiSi these problems did not occur and are due to the number of users on Tranquility. So obviously some memory leak or bug. Maybe not allowing access to trial accounts and capping the limit of players to stay under the pressure threshold would be a good idea at this point seeing as the game is unplayable and this may relieve the pressure for some time and atleast let some play hasstle free. If it don't work/help then no harm in trying it out anyway!
Deathsoul	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:54:00 - [869] Icon picture get left on middle of screen if you drop item your mowin from caro to items. Most times can be fixed by mowin items in back and drop some items on the icon and it dissapear. Realy anoyin bug thou and have been here since cold war.
Kalzin	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:54:00 - [870] imon trial acct atm... may buy for x-mas... tell me its not always like this... cause this is worse then EverQuest(one... not 2)

Knerf	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:55:00 - [871] did anybody mention all people in buddy list showing up as offline if you log in when they are allready online?
Dulmer	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:57:00 - [872] Edited by: Dulmer on 17/12/2005 20:58:41 I also notice that buddies so as offline... I only know they are online when they in same system as me. yeah I think ccp is doing a good job. Its the nature of things that are complex like eve with the issues atm. I have faith that ccp will fix it all, and I hope its soon. I`m paying for 2 accounts but thats life. Even though I`m bored out of my mind, I still think CCP are the best in the market and will wait however long it takes.
Anton Zuber	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:58:00 - [873] Asteroid Pirates? Is this an intentional new category? If it is why is it not listed in the new overview folders? Please fix this. Getting flagged for being shot at by pirates. I don't even need to fire at them, I just need to get shot at and it sets this 15 minute agression timer. Fortunatelly it seems to have been disabled temporarily so that concord isn't killing me simply for being shot at now, but it is definatelly a problem. Rats moving at outrageous speeds. I have overview set to show transverse velocity so I know the rats are not supposed to be moving this fast. I can only guess at the true speed of pirates in this patch, I would guess in the neighborhood of 5000 m/s or so in some cases. At these speeds the rats close to me almost instantly an begin orbiting unusually fast. The only saving grace is that their actual transverse velocity seems to remains correct so that if I have short range guns I can still hit them. Fortunatelly this bug only seems to apply to some rats, not all.
gunnergonk	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:58:00 - [874] anyone had this problem? using light and heavy missiles worked out ranges with skills added my lights should hit at 32km and only just hit at 26km my heavys work out at 62km but am lucky if the fire 54km ? i will take another look when the server comes back and then petition it.
Lady Ackrasta	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:58:00 - [875] Originally by: Kalzin imon trial acct atm... may buy for x-mas... tell me its not always like this... cause this is worse then EverQuest(one... not 2) It is most definitely not always like this. There's usually a period of chaos after each major patch, this one just seems to have been worse than most! Chances are the major problems will be fixed in a few days, then the less major ones in a client patch in a week or two.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:59:00 - [876] Seconding the reload issue. I had the same thing with heavy missile launchers. I would set all five reloading and then only 2-3 would have actually reloaded first time. Also, Guristas jamming seems to be way too powerful. I only got jammed on one mission, had to quit it (I'd have won otherwise), then went to check the forums but other people there are reporting maxing on the relevant ECCM and still not making any difference. I can cope with being jammed a fair bit but give me long enough to get a shot off please? ----- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help maintain the protein delicacies supply.
kuzushi	Posted - 2005.12.17 20:59:00 - [877] Definately not a major issue, but when "selecting all" and right clicking in hangar to unlock there is a looong delay. the more items selected, the longer the wait. I've also noticed a line or beam while jumping at the gates. petty compared to other issues but here it is. :)
Vladt	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:02:00 - [878] Thanks for the REBOOT again ... nice to tell in advance :) [ironic there was none ] well it is nice that after 76 Hours we still hear the the same excuses about hardware, sounds like a joke if I read the comment in the Logon Screen I think the Idee that after the patch a lot of Problems have been solved is not true The current Situation is , that you dont know if you have hardware Problem or that it is the software OR a combination of it . Taking in count that days before the Patch the lag itensified and the Server had problems you are taking to many Task at once. Please find someone who make a DECISION, for the following Points ! 1.ROLL BACK to Cold war 2. intensify the testing under REALISTIC condition 3. Wait for the new Servers to relaunch RMR 4. Please straighten out you Crisis Managment and get some external help ... is really sucks 5. Suspend ALL Trial Account , STOP New Registrations for the sake of the game PS : Is it just me who finds it frustrating that there is only ONE Thread were we are able to write our frustration . I hate GM who are closing the thread with lame excuses that is ... [zensored]
DaMiGe	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:03:00 - [879] Alitte suggestion here, In my opinion its better to have the game unplayable then barely playable. What happens now is the people that just joined eve are complaining it sucks allot, and people are losing ships becouse of the lag/server drops. My suggestion on this matter is, take ALL the servers offline, work on the patch/fixes. FIX the servers, and online them when its done. Meenwhile run a stopwatch for the amount of time it takes, and add that to the subscription time of everyone. The way its going now its giving CCP a bad name (though its a good expansion) and people are complaining. Its ready when its ready, not earlyer. just an idear... ---> My vids <--- latest movie = the lottery
Kalzin	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:03:00 - [880] Edited by: Kalzin on 17/12/2005 21:03:41 WTB windows vista: server edition...or at least some server viagra

Kadashnikov	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:06:00 - [881] Well... Been playing WoW since game came ut... a month ago i got bored... started to get my social life back... and BAM! Day the patch is due to come out, I see an advertisement for EVE... Install it, patch it, play it, problem is only played it for 5 minutes before the servers were taken down for patch... but one big problem is... I GOT HOOKED ON THIS DAMN GAME IN THOSE 5 MINUTES. So for all the people winning, look at it this way, WoW doesnt keep all players on one big server, and patches still take about 12 hours, with problems after wards, so I can only imagine how hard it is to patch one HUGE server, and I'm actualy impresed that such a thing exists, every1 on 1 server.
DangermanUK	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:08:00 - [882] A rollback to Cold War would be best for the forseeable future. This should then give CCP time to fix the issues in RMR and at the same time keep us paying players happy!
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:17:00 - [883] Have ccp TESTED a rollback scenario?
Kalzin	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:18:00 - [884] you have any idea how hard it is to go back?? generally speaking wheniwas working on WISH 2.0 there was a 1 hour grace period... after that you cant go back... too much data, also everyone would have to uninstall and repatch to cold war cause the version number would be lower.. its not a good idea to roll back a patch this big. would take about 2 days to make the patch work and another 2 days to deploy it. even then i forsee problems
Sabe	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:18:00 - [885] I cannot pull out a BPO that I was researching, I put it in for way too long and now I have to wait three days. I also cannot see the BPO's present status as far as its ME level, it only shows what it was before it went in and what it will be when it comes out. I have another that is stuck on "Pending" status, and I cant cancel it and find another lab thats open to install it to. ----- TROLL
Sabe	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:19:00 - [886] Fonts The number 2 runs into any other number that follows it... whether in text or in a quantity of an item. I've been told that in order to fix my font size I just make it wider, I did that it doesn't help the fonts being hard to read in some places. I've also read that in order to fix the issue with fonts I need to lower my resolution... I can't... my 256meg PCIX video card won't display low resolutions properly on my 19" monitor. ----- TROLL
Kalzin	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:21:00 - [887] ETA for server- 22:00:00 hours
Queen ZY	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:26:00 - [888] Keep up the good work, get a cup coffe and a donut and do your best as usually dont let me or others that deploy smoke from the ears upset u all we wanna do is play the game so keep up the good work Qz
Sardaukar Narina	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:26:00 - [889] Its coming back on, 9 minutes to go!
eleuthereus	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:28:00 - [890] new bug finds: 1. cannot manually re-load multiple guns. when doing so, all three guns begin blinking, but only the first one reloads. Others remain empty or at level of last charge. 2. the "keep at" selection is no longer available in overview for any asteroids targeted. Only orbit shows up. eleuthereus

Tristan Jay	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:28:00 - [891] what do i do about getting my ship back that i lost when i got stuck?
Sabe	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:29:00 - [892] Can someone tell me if Starbase Tactical Officer Skill is of any use? I was told it doesn't work... I won't waste time on the skill if it has no use. POS in high security, Our Corps standing is only 1.7 with Caldari State, it will take years of playing to get high enough standing in order to put a POS up in .5 space... I don't understand the concept behind this limiting the POS's in high security. Is the corp standing with a faction based upon the average of all players in the corp? Should we throw out of corp those with bad faction standing with a certain faction so that our Corp can start a POS? ----- TROLL
morefeeus	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:32:00 - [893] Originally by: Max Tesla Linux is the only way get a server version linux There are many diffrent linux versions some are for home use like (red hat, Xandors, Suse) and some are made for servers And kill Bill ;) That's helpful here... Exactly what has this to do with the price of fish! If the server code escapes without most of the bugs being killed, whether it's Uncle Bill's OS or Cousin Linus's the result is pretty much the same.
DogTyred	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:33:00 - [894] "Coming up, we deployed a hotfix and changes to the SQL server. Be cautious, this might get bumpy." What does that mean ? Don't login ? Don't use Market ? Don't Undock ? Don't PVP ? Don't NPC ?
Cantari	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:37:00 - [895] Dont do any thing stupidly dangerous that may result in you getting stufk an WTFPWNBBQd by npc's or players. Thats what I would take it to mean.... Cantari
Flaxen Novastral	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:39:00 - [896] Its been 3 days or more and I cant even log in The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. this is the error I get. I am not computer savey, so if someone could assist me with a fix I would appreciate it. DarthMuhh
Sardaukar Narina	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:39:00 - [897] Hay look, the clusters full with zero players online....looks like they fixed everything up nicely then!
Faedronic	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:40:00 - [898] Basically, if taking on 8 rats with good gear was on your "to do list" it may be in your best interst to skip that one and go to the "pursue safer revenue streams" item a few slots down ... just in case.
morefeeus	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:40:00 - [899] Originally by: Elah Elahson Please finish the factory and lab interface. I assume that since the window still says 'Under Construction' I'm not going out on a limb in thinking that this feature is still half baked. Specifically: Allow jobs to be ejected. I accidentally queued a job while I was figuring out the interface and now I can't touch it. Ejecting a queued job should give a full refund. Do not use up a lab/factory slot for queued jobs. If the job isn't active, it should not count towards your total. How about a big letter 'C' as a watermark sort of graphic... BTW disable for scanning purposes... Keep the damn Pirates guessing. The right click to install a print in a lab/factory is a nice feature, but remove the invalid options, such as researching and copying a BPC. I'm assuming that wouldn't be hard at all. The lab/factory management install window combines the contents of multiple corporate hangers, making it useless. Allow a single corporate hanger to be selected. In general, you still need a better way to tell BPOs and BPCs appart. Different images or different mouse over text would be nice. Anything! Yes a big letter 'C' as a watermark graphic over the image. Don't make it visible in a scan, keep the damn pirates guessing.
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:40:00 - [900] Full cluster (0) = "bumpy" WTF???

Darion Bonareth	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:42:00 - [901] Originally by: Flaxen Novastral Its been 3 days or more and I cant even log in The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. this is the error I get. I am not computer savey, so if someone could assist me with a fix I would appreciate it. DarthMuhh the patch downloaded incompletely. either download and install it manually or click approx 50 x connect (2% dl per click) another thingie: "connection failed - full cluster (0)." ... meaning ?!
Jinx Jones	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:42:00 - [902] FULL CLUSTER ! ! ! ! What do you mean, i got to change my skill!!!
MysticNZ	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:42:00 - [903] Edited by: MysticNZ on 17/12/2005 21:42:59 Originally by: Flaxen Novastral Its been 3 days or more and I cant even log in The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. this is the error I get. I am not computer savey, so if someone could assist me with a fix I would appreciate it. DarthMuhh Hey mate. Try getting it from here: www.mobilepc.co.nz/evepatch3582-3796.exe Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
Jinx Jones	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:44:00 - [904] Edited by: Jinx Jones on 17/12/2005 21:44:50 I prefer the english you have used Anyone for a game of online solitaire?
MysticNZ	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:44:00 - [905] Originally by: Jinx Jones FULL CLUSTER ! ! ! ! What do you mean, i got to change my skill!!! It means server starting up. Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
Ushima Koranaki	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:45:00 - [906] Also having the reloding issues, tho on cruise launchers (didnt try out sieges yet). Mostly the same as already explained, except that when i reload eachone manually shortly one after another,the first one does reload,the others just cycle their timer down and dont. (Not nice with jamming rats all over ya,and you need to load FOFs ) On the issue of gurista pirates jamming i agree also. Several dire gurista cruisers jammed my raven up badly even tho i had 3 grav. backups in. But they jammed me ALL the time within 15minutes of tanking them and dealing with the reloading issues. The % on backups was supposed to lowering the posibility of a succesfull jamm i thought.. so why they get us ALL the time? Either backups or rats bugged is my guess. If this was meant to be thatway.. umm..:¦¦I see dead people¦¦ To the issue of lag.. only comes one phrase in my mind: ¦¦He¦s dead Jim..¦¦
Cantari	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:46:00 - [907] I think either the "Full Cluster (0) message is because: 1) They are running the server empty atm to check the hotfix 2) They are going to let in limited numbers to ease it in, 3) They hit the wrong button and havent noticed yet
Xaja Diuqil	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:46:00 - [908] Originally by: Flaxen Novastral Its been 3 days or more and I cant even log in The patch has been downloaded but failed verification Please try again. this is the error I get. I am not computer savey, so if someone could assist me with a fix I would appreciate it. DarthMuhh Flaxen, Try going to http://www.eve-online.com/patches/patches.asp and click on the bottom link, this should patch it for you.
Sardaukar Bashar	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:48:00 - [909] Is there no way the nice people at CCP can get us get online for 5 minutes so we can all stop watever we were doing, dock somewhere and we can call it a night? Then they can do whatever they want with EVE for as long as they want, we just need 5 minutes!
gunnergonk	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:49:00 - [910] flaxen im not savvy either and i had the same problem all i did was delete my whole ccp folder and reinstalled it as new from the download area. cluster full(0) wtf? this has started to annoy me now, i take it that much more lost time and ccp will re-imburse us for the lost time, what people seem to be forgetting is that we pay money for a service which is not being provided, it doesnt matter if other games are worse and if ccp are the best the FACT still remains we are not getting the service we are paying for. and if anyone else tells me the game update was "free" they will feel the rough end of my boot up their a***!

Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:52:00 - [911] Just to lighten the mood. Server comes back up, 18,000 players try to get on it once, CCP HQ blows up, Oveur comes back to find a ruined building, gets down on his knees "You fools! You blew it up! Damn you, damn you all to heck.." That's from Planet of the Apes original if anyone's wondering -----
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:53:00 - [912] Originally by: Ushima Koranaki To the issue of lag.. only comes one phrase in my mind: ¦¦He¦s dead Jim..¦¦ dammit jim im a doctor not a doct... oh wait i am a doctor
Charlie3	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:55:00 - [913] According to the news blog, CCP knew they had to reboot the server to address the lag. Why, why, why don't you tell those in game that the server is coming down. I'm in mid warp right now with the game down. It would be nice to be safe at a station somewhere... _______________________ WWII Online convert! OT Mongers Corporation
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:57:00 - [914] Wait for the server to come up after "another fix"...and wht do I get? "Full Cluster."
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:57:00 - [915] Yeah but you TEST for 18,000 concurrent apes logging on.....rofl
Lady Thanatos	Posted - 2005.12.17 21:59:00 - [916] Okay... I really like RMR, I find it to be a very good improvment on Exodus/Cold War. But the stability issues are really beginning to wear thin. Yes, I have long skill training going... but I would at least like to log in and adjust them. Since I work 12hr days (14-15 hours all told) I try to keep my skills balanced to end in the brief periods I can access and change them. No access for 2 hours now completely fubars that. The lack of fallback queing really gimps things a lot, as does the inability to adjust skills from outside the client.
Sardaukar Narina	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:00:00 - [917] These last few days have been so stressful, with the server cutting out all the time and all the glitches with this bloody patch, I think the 'red moon' is already setting. This whole thing is making me go crazy.
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:01:00 - [918] Status shows "OK." 94 users on. I try to log in and I get: The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time.ááPlease try again shortly. What's next?
ranay	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:02:00 - [919] 31 plp on at least they are adding a load now
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:02:00 - [920] Submit a bug report saying your login attempt was bumpy...you fool

Kaildred	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:03:00 - [921] Yeah... well I don't know where people get the idea that CCP is the best... I personally have never experienced anything this lame in any MMO I've played... maybe I've just been lucky? But what is this, 4 days of consecutive limited-no playability? That's... not very top-notch. And what exactly was it for? A new interface with a few added bells+whistles and maybe a new ship or two? Whatever, hopefully everyone who is paying for this game gets days added to their subscription. In most modern MMOs, that's usually what happens. Alright, well see you guys inside maybe.
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:05:00 - [922] here, here FFS
Anachronox Carilian	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:07:00 - [923] Originally by: Kaildred ... maybe I've just been lucky? Yes, you've been lucky. I experienced it before in another mmo, but ok of course it's not normal. I was infight when the server shuts down. Hopefully i'll get my ship back but more important is, that ccp is finding the real problem. It seems not to be for the moment and when i passed yesterday and today. Maybe a rollback to cold war would be the best solution? Dunno...
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:07:00 - [924] New record lol? And for those who can't get on, is it any surprise with 15,000 people trying to access it at once? Server will crash probably -----
Ky Vatta	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:08:00 - [925] Edited by: Ky Vatta on 17/12/2005 22:09:39 It got to 712 logged in...then it crashed again Edit: I got in at last....(but for how long??)
Solis Arith	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:09:00 - [926] right click items in hanger and "select all" then try to right click again 9 times out of 10 it don't work scanner can't right click shuttles rookie ships and remove from overview like you could in the past, don't know if this was intentional drones: supposedly my drones are faster than my ship but when i say return to ship or return and orbit they can't catch me if i'm moving. 9 times out of 10 i have to go to them and then scoop to drone bay as they get about 1.8k away and then stop responding. hella lag but that to be expected no critisism there :) am sick of the "there is no lag in eve" "must be your computer" reply by "help channel" seems to be a common theme against issues. not eve fault it your comp. sorry not a complain against patch but eve channel don't know if the peeps replying are gms but they should nerf others ability to add their little and loud opinions in a game help channel taking forever to load info for things actually all database inquiries. i know this is being worked on so not *****ing about that. noticed possible cap reporting on drones may be off unless some drones do have over 2 billion cap. sentry guns of stations continue to target me from a pvp aggression timer long after the timer has gone to 0. if this is intentional i can only assume it is because of the npc agro timer. however then this only seems to work infrequently. all i can think of for now solis. pls do not reply as i am posting here and not monitoring it.
Anachronox Carilian	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:10:00 - [927] Ah, i could login and my ship is still alive. Ok, back to a safety station and i will take a pause on eve and hopefully they find the problem and can fix it. Seeyou later next days on the server (hopefully).
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:10:00 - [928] Well OK...you guys aren't like typing 712 players into the box to make it look good?
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:11:00 - [929] Originally by: Kaildred Yeah... well I don't know where people get the idea that CCP is the best... I personally have never experienced anything this lame in any MMO I've played... maybe I've just been lucky? But what is this, 4 days of consecutive limited-no playability? That's... not very top-notch. And what exactly was it for? A new interface with a few added bells+whistles and maybe a new ship or two? Whatever, hopefully everyone who is paying for this game gets days added to their subscription. In most modern MMOs, that's usually what happens. Alright, well see you guys inside maybe. And you haven't cancelled your subscription, why???
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:12:00 - [930] Originally by: Solis Arith right click items in hanger and "select all" then try to right click again 9 times out of 10 it don't work scanner can't right click shuttles rookie ships and remove from overview like you could in the past, don't know if this was intentional drones: supposedly my drones are faster than my ship but when i say return to ship or return and orbit they can't catch me if i'm moving. 9 times out of 10 i have to go to them and then scoop to drone bay as they get about 1.8k away and then stop responding. hella lag but that to be expected no critisism there :) am sick of the "there is no lag in eve" "must be your computer" reply by "help channel" seems to be a common theme against issues. not eve fault it your comp. sorry not a complain against patch but eve channel don't know if the peeps replying are gms but they should nerf others ability to add their little and loud opinions in a game help channel taking forever to load info for things actually all database inquiries. i know this is being worked on so not *****ing about that. noticed possible cap reporting on drones may be off unless some drones do have over 2 billion cap. sentry guns of stations continue to target me from a pvp aggression timer long after the timer has gone to 0. if this is intentional i can only assume it is because of the npc agro timer. however then this only seems to work infrequently. all i can think of for now solis. pls do not reply as i am posting here and not monitoring it. at least you can get online -----

Quixotic	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:12:00 - [931] lol..ya'll sound like my wife
Malken	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:17:00 - [932] its starting to get pretty annoying now. the server has been ****ed now during euro main playing hours for 3 days now i want to play damnit. do you guys have a plan of action for fixing this or are you just whinging it?
Quixotic	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:17:00 - [933] everybody...go hug ur kids....when the server comes up...u wil forget u have them
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:20:00 - [934] A timeout occured while attempting to read from the socket.... That's gotta be made up.
Sovereign Krugg	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:22:00 - [935] Right.... Getting 3 error messages on logon now...so im off down the pub to spend my subscription on beer.....which will at least provide a DEGREE of entertainment value... I hope to god you guys dont get a real job.
Colton	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:24:00 - [936] Argggghhhh! Just roll the damned server back already! Press the big red button that will allow the server to defugg itself. Many things about this patch seem promising, but am beginning to believe we will never be able to experience it. With all my spare time, I have begun to replicate my fleet in the form of paper airplanes. The raven is gonna take some real work. Always knew that passing on the oregami 101 course would come back to haunt me.
ballobas	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:27:00 - [937] Whining, crying, barking, and howling often result when a Eve player is left alone. Eve players will whine and cry when separated from their account. The Eve player is afraid he is being abandoned by his pack and is sounding the alarm so that he can be rescued. The reason excessive whining continues is because the EVE player has learned that whining, crying or barking gets whatever he wants - attention, food, affection. Often what starts out as a demand whining soon becomes an unconscious whining habit. To prevent an annoying whining habit, teach your Eve player to accept short periods of confinement before leaving him alone for long periods of time. Spend time with your EVE player in the area where he is left and show him that this is a fun place to be. If he starts whining or howling when you leave, don't rush back to let him out or reassure him. If you do, he will soon learn that he can control you with his whining blackmail. However, if barking, whining or howling continues then he probably is not yet comfortable in his confinement area. Spend a little more time with him there. Then when you leave, it he continues barking, whining or howling, give him a loud and stern 'NO!' After he has been quiet for a few moments, return and praise him lavishly. Practice leaving and returning several times so he becomes accustomed to your departures and realizes that you are not abandoning him forever. He will see that you will return and there's nothing to worry about. Practice leaving him for longer and longer periods of time. If your EVE palyer is whining or howling when you are at home, either for attention or just out of habit, the first step in stopping this is to provide your EVE player with daily routines of play, exercise and training. Often these special times of undivided attention will stop the EVE player from whining the rest of the day. Secondly, pay attention to your EVE player only when he is quiet. Ignore him whenever he begins demanding your attention by whining. Each time you give in to your EVE PLAYERS's whining demands, you are training him to continue whining. If you want a few moments of peace, you can teach the EVE PLAYER to be quiet on request. Gently ask your EVE player to please 'Stop Whining.' If he ignores you and continues whining, immediately shout a very loud, 'STOP WHINING!' or squirt the EVE player in the face with water. After a few repetitions, the EVE player will get the idea and obey the first gentle request of 'Stop Whining,' rather than get scolded or doused with water. Unusual whining or whining that starts suddenly when it never existed before may be your EVE player's way of telling you that something is wrong. See your DOCTOR right away to be sure no health problems exist. Best regardes/ doctor spunk
Karma Kahn	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:27:00 - [938] Hell the patch is 3 days old of course with something of this scale there were gonna be teething troubles but when its fixed it will be awesome and try and cut these guys some slack they have been on the case for 3 days. As to those who say this is the worst patch in mmo history try playing some of sony's offerings. Then come back here and moan. The devs want this to work more than us its there passion and their job. So cheer up folks it aint the end of the world and if you think it is you need to switch of your pc take a reality check and get outside more :).
gunnergonk	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:31:00 - [939] any ideas on how long the eve cluster actualy takes to start up as mine has taken 20 mins already!
Chronus26	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:33:00 - [940] Originally by: Karma Kahn Hell the patch is 3 days old of course with something of this scale there were gonna be teething troubles but when its fixed it will be awesome and try and cut these guys some slack they have been on the case for 3 days. As to those who say this is the worst patch in mmo history try playing some of sony's offerings. Then come back here and moan. The devs want this to work more than us its there passion and their job. So cheer up folks it aint the end of the world and if you think it is you need to switch of your pc take a reality check and get outside more :). very well said. This is exactly what i've been trying to tell people since Friday morning. once again for old times sake: Just be patient, everything will clear up in no time at all and EVE will be better than ever. -----

BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:34:00 - [941] Log in...WHAM. Disconnect. Status says over 5K players on and "ok," try to reconnect and get: The EVE Cluster is currently starting up and cannot service your logon attempt at this time.ááPlease try again shortly.
inara reynolds	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:38:00 - [942] Damn, why am I never in the first 6000 people?
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:39:00 - [943] LOL...at this point I dont believe that matters if you can't stay on.
Angelina Takari	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:44:00 - [944] I have been trying to play this game for 3 days (11 days left for my trial perdiod). I just could played 30 minutes this evening... frustration...
inara reynolds	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:45:00 - [945] Originally by: Malken its starting to get pretty annoying now. the server has been ****ed now during euro main playing hours for 3 days now i want to play damnit. do you guys have a plan of action for fixing this or are you just whinging it? Damn all you Euro players! It is all your fault. You have been crashing it all day long. Now it is creeping up in my good quality American playing time.
Taketa De	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:48:00 - [946] Small issue with sentry drones, they can only be made to target things within normal drone range.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:49:00 - [947] Originally by: inara reynolds Originally by: Malken its starting to get pretty annoying now. the server has been ****ed now during euro main playing hours for 3 days now i want to play damnit. do you guys have a plan of action for fixing this or are you just whinging it? Damn all you Euro players! It is all your fault. You have been crashing it all day long. Now it is creeping up in my good quality American playing time. God bless your country, and your dinky little tanks! 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
morefeeus	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:51:00 - [948] Ok I'm back on for now. Just tried to queue stuff in an Assembly line, how come a queued item counts towards your max production quota. I have 4 slots running and just queued to futher items and hit my max. This could be CCP's way of stopping a queue hog... Now the factories and research slots are only 20 per station. Hmmm.
SharkBaait	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:53:00 - [949] I just want it to work sorry guys but no warning of the upgrade, then you stick a message up do long training! when no one can log in lol..i know its a ***** doing upgrades but its been a total mess..fix one thing break loads of others..shame was looking forward to this..you think great now i can get on then you get kicked because summat else has failed :(
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:55:00 - [950] Disconnect heaven. Dropped three times in 1/2 an hour.

Ushima Koranaki	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:55:00 - [951] Edited by: Ushima Koranaki on 17/12/2005 22:55:54 CTD¦s in mass atm.. at all possible things only not when doing nothing hehe. Is that a hint to us? ¦Sit right there and shaddap till its fixed!¦?
Cod Ball	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:58:00 - [952] I have an issue...........Can't connect. Oh wait, everyones having that problem
Serpensis	Posted - 2005.12.17 22:59:00 - [953] The "exhumer" skill is required to use the new elite barges, the exhumers, but the "hulk", the largest of the new elite barges, only requires exhumers lvl3 to use. There is no description of bonus for the exhumer skill, so what is the point of lvl4 and lvl5? -- "Fear accompanies the possibility of death, calm sheperds its certainty."
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:02:00 - [954] Ship stuck in a jump at Inaro gate...then crash....again. Can't connect.
SharkBaait	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:02:00 - [955] LMAO !! I eventually got to log in (dunno how long for) now i ve just got one of those old "GURU MEDITATION" red box errors saying a script failed WTF wasnt this an old amiga error handler?? Can someone explain this!....Now im scared...
MrCranberry	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:03:00 - [956] might be the sound. every person that has deleted there chache folder turnened the sound on. before this patch i noticed the sound was a bit dodgy( for me). i didn't read the rest sorry
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:11:00 - [957] I've always run with the sound disabled. Not the issue here.
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:12:00 - [958] Originally by: inara reynolds Originally by: Malken its starting to get pretty annoying now. the server has been ***ed now during euro main playing hours for 3 days now i want to play damnit. do you guys have a plan of action for fixing this or are you just whinging it? Damn all you Euro players! It is all your fault. You have been crashing it all day long. Now it is creeping up in my good quality American playing time. comment removed due to HYPI PASKA KUUSEEN* --- Home, sweet home.
Severian Iros	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:13:00 - [959] I can no longer copy and paste into the galaxy map's search engine.
Tristan Jay	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:20:00 - [960] still stuck, can't log on. lost my apoc and bpo for brutix which was not mine. i'm in the ****.

Colton	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:22:00 - [961] Logged in finally, then was afraid to do anything. Turns out my fears were founded. I got dumped after just sitting in the hangar. As far as all the peace loving tree huggers that love it everytime CCP sticks a tomato in our arses go, just stfu! I pay for this. I have a right to be ill about not being able to use it because of an ill implimented patch that even its creators are puzzled about. Im willing to bet that the problems are related to the increase in numbers that play this game since there were some issues before the patch was deployed. They then compound these problems somehow with the new patch and by continuing to offer free trials for noobs. I never played a free trial. I paid to play from the start. Since then, my subscription now involves three seperate paying accounts. I have a right to ***** and I choose to exercise this right. This patch sux. I am losing time, ISK and reasons to keep paying for something I cant use. 1 issue about the can flagging. Its my understanding that If my group flags a thief that removed items from our jet cans and we kill him, he and his group can then kill us? WTF is that? Cant we just have justice? Seems the pirates have all the marbles here. Just let us kill the little peckerwodd ore thieves and be done with it. They have no right to retaliate against an action that was warranted. Does not matter I suppose since I cant stay in the freaking game long enough to experiment with it. Lovely job CCP. If I did my work like this I would be jobless tomorrow. Wake up, smell the coffee and pull your heads outta your arses. There are other games and I am gonna go see how well they play since I cant play this piece of crap.
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:37:00 - [962] here we go again
Sentille	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:51:00 - [963] Have to say this is really annoying now. Still, I don't pretend to know how difficult this task has been for CCP so I don't feel I can criticise, but the games been all but unplayable for me since RMR patch. I think some free days are due on all accounts. Spectre Op's - Head of Diplomacy
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.17 23:58:00 - [964] Edited by: death2nite on 18/12/2005 00:01:30 Edited by: death2nite on 18/12/2005 00:01:02 this sucks donkey butt i realise it is a major undertaking for a new patch but damn do i feel like guinea pig being tested on i cant even petition the problem cuz it just goes black
Syeer	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:04:00 - [965] Originally by: Kaildred Whatever, hopefully everyone who is paying for this game gets days added to their subscription. In most modern MMOs, that's usually what happens. Alright, well see you guys inside maybe. In most modern MMOs, huh? I sure would like to know which MMOs you are referring to, because as far as I know, such an MMO is extremely rare. Good job on being clueless. Originally by: ballobas Whining, crying, barking, and howling often result when a Eve player is left alone. Eve players will whine and cry when separated from their account. The Eve player is afraid he is being abandoned by his pack and is sounding the alarm so that he can be rescued. The reason excessive whining continues is because the EVE player has learned that whining, crying or barking gets whatever he wants - attention, food, affection. Often what starts out as a demand whining soon becomes an unconscious whining habit. To prevent an annoying whining habit, teach your Eve player to accept short periods of confinement before leaving him alone for long periods of time. Spend time with your EVE player in the area where he is left and show him that this is a fun place to be. If he starts whining or howling when you leave, don't rush back to let him out or reassure him. If you do, he will soon learn that he can control you with his whining blackmail. However, if barking, whining or howling continues then he probably is not yet comfortable in his confinement area. Spend a little more time with him there. Then when you leave, it he continues barking, whining or howling, give him a loud and stern 'NO!' After he has been quiet for a few moments, return and praise him lavishly. Practice leaving and returning several times so he becomes accustomed to your departures and realizes that you are not abandoning him forever. He will see that you will return and there's nothing to worry about. Practice leaving him for longer and longer periods of time. If your EVE palyer is whining or howling when you are at home, either for attention or just out of habit, the first step in stopping this is to provide your EVE player with daily routines of play, exercise and training. Often these special times of undivided attention will stop the EVE player from whining the rest of the day. Secondly, pay attention to your EVE player only when he is quiet. Ignore him whenever he begins demanding your attention by whining. Each time you give in to your EVE PLAYERS's whining demands, you are training him to continue whining. If you want a few moments of peace, you can teach the EVE PLAYER to be quiet on request. Gently ask your EVE player to please 'Stop Whining.' If he ignores you and continues whining, immediately shout a very loud, 'STOP WHINING!' or squirt the EVE player in the face with water. After a few repetitions, the EVE player will get the idea and obey the first gentle request of 'Stop Whining,' rather than get scolded or doused with water. Unusual whining or whining that starts suddenly when it never existed before may be your EVE player's way of telling you that something is wrong. See your DOCTOR right away to be sure no health problems exist. Best regardes/ doctor spunk Originally by: Karma Kahn Hell the patch is 3 days old of course with something of this scale there were gonna be teething troubles but when its fixed it will be awesome and try and cut these guys some slack they have been on the case for 3 days. As to those who say this is the worst patch in mmo history try playing some of sony's offerings. Then come back here and moan. The devs want this to work more than us its there passion and their job. So cheer up folks it aint the end of the world and if you think it is you need to switch of your pc take a reality check and get outside more :). Genius, brilliant, and very, very well put. Lawlz, HI.
ChronoLynx	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:05:00 - [966] Wee fun... my GF and I can log in and get to the char select screen now. Now if only we could click on our chars and have them load into the world without it saying 'FAILED'... she just paid for this game yesterday for herself because she thought it was cool. Now she is angry at me because the thing isn't working. She had been screaming at the computer screen 'They had better refund me for the day that I have lost' so I told her that CCP is probably doing everything in there power to fix it and that the time the patch was release was the worst possible time of the year. ie, Christmas Season and we all know that many people who work for CCP are probably on vacation... That is enough of my ranting and raving, basically I just want to say please add a day or two to everyone account for the trouble we have been going through... would make me much happier
Colton	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:13:00 - [967] Congrats to Syeer on mastering the art of the quote. Genius, Brilliant unoriginal.
keepiru	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:23:00 - [968] Hrm. Ok uh... Production Efficncy actually has no effect. As in, all mineral and component requirements are now = PE 5. Just tested making a job with the same bpo on my 2 chars, one PE3, the other PE5, i get the exact same quote. Gee guys, thats some great testing, it might have helped a little if the the R&M had been working on SISI for more than like, 2 days or so... Ah well... off to make yet another bug report ------------- Please fix the EW stacking bug :(
Mortus Harbinger	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:31:00 - [969] Originally by: Mortus Harbinger Edited by: Mortus Harbinger on 17/12/2005 13:42:04 I'm getting the jump bug regularly now. On a trip of about 15 jumps I've got stuck at a gate four times now (out of maybe 8 jumps through Essence and The Citadel). It says 'Jumping' on the screen and I seem to get stuck there in a loop. I get into the system I'm jumping to (according to the display in top left of screen) but it hasn't gone far enough that I can see any player or faction ships or the gate I've come though. It's a bit like 'rubber-banding' in some other games where you constantly jump back a bit. In this case it happens roughly every second. If I move the view around it jumps back, every second, to where I am stuck. Edit: as mentioned above, the only fix is to re-log. Mort An update. Since that last hotfix I made the same trip .. actually 19 jumps ... and whilst I found that there was a fairly long wait at some gates (1-2 mins) I didn't get stuck at any of them. Looks like whatever you did is a step in the right direction. Mort
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:36:00 - [970] Large Armor Inefficient Armor Repairer now requires 400 units of cap to use. . . I seem to remember this as only being 240 pre-RMR. Nothing is said about this in patch notes. Bug, a nerf, or my really bad memory?

BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:40:00 - [971] Ship hug up in deadspace....disconnected again. Now cannot connect to server. This is getting VERY old.
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:50:00 - [972] Disconnected three time inside of 5 minutes. Where is CCP? Where are the moderators with the answers? It's awfully quiet....
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.18 00:57:00 - [973] 1 fix the Entering game as "..." and then just hitting a black screen after a quick failure message. I've had to try to log in like 30 times before I finally get in, except for right after a server reset. And this happens after 15000 players have logged in so it's normal connection bug. 2 fix the warp gate freezes. 1 in 5 warps causing the need to relog espicially with the above bug is very annoying.
GeekWarrior	Posted - 2005.12.18 01:02:00 - [974] I'm getting disconnected every 3 minutes or so. Not to mention having horrid lag when I do manage to get in. ----------------------------- EVE Addict
Geistkonig	Posted - 2005.12.18 01:24:00 - [975] I can consistently log into the game and get to the char selection screen, but when I try to click my char and log in I am presented with the lovely "Joining server as (char)... Failed" message over and over again. I'm halfway in/out of the nub station in Kisigo, which may have something to do with it. Intel Integrated Graphics 2 on a 512M 1.4Ghz laptop, if that helps, but it won't, since no one from CCP bothers to read the forums. All of this _really_ wants to make me buy the game when my trial expires in a few days.
Wilhuff Tarkin	Posted - 2005.12.18 01:55:00 - [976] Edited by: Wilhuff Tarkin on 18/12/2005 01:56:02 Tells me no skills are being trained, when I try selecting a skill to train I get this error: Tried MANY times throughout the night, same error.
Vendrin	Posted - 2005.12.18 01:57:00 - [977] Recruitment Channel is borked. No matter how many join it, it never shows as anyone in the channel listings or within the channel itself.
Manc	Posted - 2005.12.18 02:11:00 - [978] I'm getting a FPS of 10, it was 7 until I disabled my firewall. It drops to 2 in a battle (mission only, I'll be avoiding PvP until this gets fixed). The odd thing is I can't say that it occurred immediately after RMR was released as I logged in Friday morning before DT & all was fine, then I logged in later in the evening & my FPS had died. I assumed it was the lag, but when others were OK after reboots & hotfixes my FPS stayed at 10. I've tried the usual tests, delete the cache, ensure all the settings are correct in the prefs.ini, even uninstalled & reinstalled. I've had it running in Window & full mode at all the resolutions upto 1280x1024 which is what it was & always has been at, nothing works. Except after trying to load it up without re-adding my settings to the cache it went straight to the tutorial, this was back to normal as far as FPS goes, at this point I thought I'd *****ed it, until I exited the tutorial & it dropped back to 10fps I've petitioned it but so far all the suggestions are for the things I have already tried. Has anyone else had this issue & thought it was down to lag ? Have you managed to fix it ? Could I have chosen a worse week to return after being AWOL for nearly 12 months ?
Kaathar Rielspar	Posted - 2005.12.18 02:22:00 - [979] there are insufficient lab slots for ME research. 20 isn't enough. please consider doubling it. prepatch I would put on 5 jobs of new blueprints to ME20 at the same time and have them finish concurrently. postpatch I can't do this due to all slots being used.
vondigger	Posted - 2005.12.18 02:39:00 - [980] I am getting booted out about every 3 to 4 minutes...

BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 03:24:00 - [981] In hangar. Right click. NO cargo hold or drone bay access.
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 03:29:00 - [982] Tried relogging twice. Delete cache. No good. No right click, no cargo hold or drone bay access.
aeti	Posted - 2005.12.18 03:38:00 - [983] seems the ram usage of eve is going up after each jump, quite sure it never used to do this: look here that can't be normal, few other people are getting crazy mem usage. restarting eve puts the client down to about 180mb instead of 700mb
Kaathar Rielspar	Posted - 2005.12.18 03:50:00 - [984] i noticed the memory usage thing too. after i exited eve windows starting complaining about not having enough virtual memory.
PyroEra	Posted - 2005.12.18 03:51:00 - [985] great job on RMR im lovin it....nothin bout bein stuck or anything big happened to me yet...only little things...prolly already heard this before, but it shows my friends offline and im clearly talking ot them lol...sometimes it even shows me offline on their comps...is it the game..or me? lol
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2005.12.18 04:37:00 - [986] Over sized armor plates have no penalty. Heck.. armor plates have no penalties period. Im running a Vexor with a 1600mm Steel Plate I, no speed penalty AT ALL. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CYVOK ASCN SPACE is now a NOW FLY Zone.
MysticNZ	Posted - 2005.12.18 06:01:00 - [987] New Zealand... Tracing route to 157.157.139.10 over a maximum of 30 hops 1 3 ms 4 ms <1 ms 192.168.2.254 2 13 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.10 3 53 ms 52 ms 62 ms 222-152-88-1.jetstream.xtra.co.nz [222.152.88.1] 4 49 ms 50 ms 48 ms 210.55.205.123 5 69 ms 189 ms 141 ms fid-int.tkbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.245. 198] 6 61 ms 60 ms 61 ms vlan-283.tkbr4.global-gateway.net.nz [202.50.245 .197] 7 60 ms 59 ms 60 ms pc1-30.tkbr3.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202.6 5] 8 182 ms 182 ms 182 ms p4-0.sjbr1.global-gateway.net.nz [203.96.120.217 ] 9 184 ms 182 ms 184 ms so-3-0-0.pabr3.global-gateway.net.nz [210.55.202 .194] 10 182 ms 184 ms 182 ms sl-st20-pa-6-2.sprintlink.net [144.223.243.49] 11 187 ms 192 ms 189 ms 144.232.20.46 12 250 ms 251 ms 250 ms sl-bb22-rly-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.187] 13 250 ms 250 ms 249 ms sl-bb26-rly-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.14.174] 14 254 ms 254 ms 253 ms sl-st21-ash-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.134] 15 251 ms 253 ms 256 ms sl-deutsche-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.223.246.70] 16 326 ms 330 ms 329 ms linx-gw13.LON.GB.net.DTAG.DE [62.154.5.38] 17 330 ms 329 ms 328 ms 62.153.203.190 18 332 ms 329 ms 328 ms 157.157.62.10 19 329 ms 331 ms 329 ms ccp-Earth001.simnet.is [157.157.139.253] 20 327 ms 328 ms 329 ms 157.157.139.10 Originally by: Nyphur I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
Jeni Silver	Posted - 2005.12.18 06:24:00 - [988] The Berserker SW-900 hvy webber drone seems to have issues with the return and orbit command when it out at long range
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.12.18 07:23:00 - [989] Stacking panelty code is wrong... For example: ifyou have sesor boosters, you can not be dampened, because the penelty apply on the dampener as well. Same with the tracking computer and tracking disruptor.. and so on... the negativ effect of the offensive modul is also penalised by the mods on your ship... something wrong here.. CCP please look into this. - This post is my personal opinion. It does not represent the standpoint of the HUN Corporation in any way. -
Guntaro	Posted - 2005.12.18 07:23:00 - [990] Not sure if this was mentioned already or not but there is a typo in the Wolf's attributes. The armor EM resistance is listed at 925 percent.

velocoraptor	Posted - 2005.12.18 07:29:00 - [991] Don't really believe this will ever be read (34 pages and counting), but still, here's my 2 cents: 1. Connectivity problems should not really concern us for the first few days. 2. Excessive (sometimes over 500-600MB) is indeed a problem, but not sure if it's a fault or just related to connectivity issues. Maybe check chat channels, ccp??? 3. Bug: When fitting a ship th effect of plates etc does not show b4 you actually fit them (used to be able to juts hover with mouse for that-very usefull) 4. Many small bugs and glitches, but I suppose devs must have heard about them a gazilion times /me thinks this thread is only made so ppl can have a stress relieve. after a few days, devs will seriously start litening to problem reporting
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.18 07:40:00 - [992] yeah the recruitment chanenl still down - such an important channel (only one bigger is help) and they dont fix it.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2005.12.18 08:42:00 - [993] Asteroid belt icons don't show up when you are near them anymore, very problematic for pirates trying to scan belts at 5 degrees.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.18 08:47:00 - [994] well yes the 5 degree asteriod issue is still there but CCP will fix it in time along with ther ecruitment channel
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.18 10:22:00 - [995] I'll add mine. Before RMR, my fps was 30-40 with AA set to 4x and anisatropic filtering to 8x. After RMR (nothing else changed), it's down to 10. p43ghz Radeon 9600 1gig of ram.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.18 11:01:00 - [996] Seems a lot better this morning. The hotfix and DB changes must have helped. Dunno what it'll be like tonight though. The fps thing needs addressing. I get 17fps in a belt and that's a P4 3.4 with 1GB RAM and NVidia Go6800. Also it keeps pausing every couple of seconds which is probably what's bringing the average down -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Dreda	Posted - 2005.12.18 11:15:00 - [997] I was about to dock a base, that I had been docking serveral times in the past few hours, I accidentally click "lock target"...I did'nt shoot or anything, but within 2 secounds the base and everyone around killed me, no bullets were shot from my gun, was it mabe that is was a 0.6 secuirty system? I lost 1 million ISK because of that stupid happening, is this a bug, "locking" onto a station, not firing, and getting shot at? wtf happened, please help me, I lost 1 million ISK and I only had 2 million, had only started a about 7 days befor. What did happen? anyone? www.nzsas.co.nz/spool/Home/Images/spool134134.jpg
Jaredh Elkin	Posted - 2005.12.18 11:37:00 - [998] The chat window bugs very much. If it is minimized, it assumes it is very narrow and then shows narrow text when opened. Also, the lines often are longer than the width of the chat window, and there is no side scroll. The chat window seems not to always know when there's text and when it should scroll down. First impressions only...
terania	Posted - 2005.12.18 11:46:00 - [999] Probably already mentioned but....once a t2 mining crystal is used up (or changed for a different one) then the infomation that normally appears when you drag your cursor over the module dissapears...this makes it hard to know what crystal you have fitted at any given time.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.18 12:16:00 - [1000] A module fitted in-space via a maintenance bay or maintenance array will be brought online without consumption of capacitor energy. This doesn't work... just fitted mods at a POS to a ship and it consumes capacitor like before :(

Ashmael	Posted - 2005.12.18 12:37:00 - [1001] Either this is a glitch or the Raven has received a SuperNerf. My ship keeps dropping its locked targets. I have a Raven and when i try to relock i get the following message. 2005.12.18 12:15:21<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>You are already managing 0 targets, as many as your ship's electronics are capable of.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.18 12:45:00 - [1002] Edited by: Tas Devil on 18/12/2005 12:46:21 Originally by: Ashmael Either this is a glitch or the Raven has received a SuperNerf. My ship keeps dropping its locked targets. I have a Raven and when i try to relock i get the following message. 2005.12.18 12:15:21<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>You are already managing 0 targets, as many as your ship's electronics are capable of. LMAO before crying foul and yelling BUG !, learn about the patch changes... your raven is being target jammed by the rats :P ... its not a bug AT ALL ... its just the rat outsmarting you... see THIS to find out which rats jam in each race ! now stop crying foul and learn the game
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.18 13:05:00 - [1003] ok another bug, whenever I open the chat window for the first time in a session, the text wraps at 8 or 9 columns, when there is room for (a lot) more. Resizing the window around fixes the problem, with the text properly expanding itself to the right.
rig0r	Posted - 2005.12.18 13:43:00 - [1004] Killmail destroyed items do not always have (Cargo) or (Drone Bay) added when they should have.
Al Thorr	Posted - 2005.12.18 14:20:00 - [1005] Bug / feature : RAM Modules not having correct damage put on them 12xStarship RAMS 95% damage each - results in not 12 being returned with 95% damage, just 1 with 60% damage. So RAMS are no longer tools just extra components. If a bug : t2 ship production for me halted until fixed. If a feature : t2 ship production halted until RAMS as they are now components should have Bpos. Regards Al Thorr I Am in shape, ROUND is a shape
Tobiaz	Posted - 2005.12.18 14:43:00 - [1006] - Constant disconnects. - Blackholing at gates (possibly linked to this: "If you are warping lose connection, you will still enter an emergency warp. When you connect again, you should be warped to the original warp destination.") - Excessive lag at jumping - Online/offline blip of buddies is not working properly - Location agents not working - Stacking penalty shared by positive and negative modifiers for the same attribute combined with sorting by effect (sensor boosters and dampeners for example) make Dampening and Tracking Disrupting completely useless. - ECCM is not only way too powerful and easy to fit (2 T2 backups, which are easy to fit, already make so hard for even a Scorp to jam you, it's useless), it also has no stacking penalty whatsoever (had 764 sensor strength on a Raven with full rack of T1 ECCM in med and low). I'm off to play something else untill this all has been sorted out. Recruiting
TheArcher	Posted - 2005.12.18 14:51:00 - [1007] Edited by: TheArcher on 18/12/2005 14:52:29 The link http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=924&tid=4 copied to the chat and then copied again to clipboard gets <pre>http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=924&tid=4</pre>
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 15:42:00 - [1008] Game is locking up between jumps. Lost a ship last nite. Lag was horrendous. Couldnt cycle weapons. Could not warp out. One Raven down the drain......
Wyno	Posted - 2005.12.18 15:59:00 - [1009] Lag moon rising ! -Serious server acces problems ! -Lag Rising when jumping -Lag Rising when activating module -Lag Rising when doing a simple click -Lag Rising when moving items in cargos or assets -Lag Rising when doing a navigation command -Lag Rising when playing at all ! Lag Moon rising ! Would be cool if we could play.
a2kred	Posted - 2005.12.18 16:17:00 - [1010] Pressing CTRL+TAB no longer brings back the GUI after hiding it. I can find no keyboard combination that unhides the GUI.

Cypherous	Posted - 2005.12.18 16:26:00 - [1011] Got lagged at a gate and lost my stiletto because it wouldn't jump, incidentally it managed to jump my pod through not my ship which is buggy as hell, i filed a petition.
Flax Volcanus	Posted - 2005.12.18 16:40:00 - [1012] Last night, a couple of named medium armor reppers had drone icons, not repper icons. Don't know if it's been fixed yet or not.
Goose1965	Posted - 2005.12.18 16:46:00 - [1013] Can someone help me understand this "flagging" thing. I can't find it in the patch notes, but have seen discussion of "gank flagging". Also I wonder if this is what happened to me yesterday..was in a shuttle and podded...than when I was in station the aggro timer was on me?? Please help. Thanks, Goose
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:13:00 - [1014] Edited by: The Wizz117 on 18/12/2005 17:14:11 Edited by: The Wizz117 on 18/12/2005 17:13:36 i hope they role back cold war, or even better the patch before cold war missile-nerf patch ( im a raven pilot). i can use 0 of all the new featers, 0!, none of them! i would have hoped i can use clone jumping but its buged and u need a 1man corporation for it. i can not use any of the new ships and i dont need them couse they are not designed to run missions wit. im a empire mission runner of profesion, the only thing changed for me is: -less bount + 25% more hiptoints on npc's + less npc's + ecm npc's (npc's with ecm is way overpowerd backup sensor does not work and fof's dont deal enough damage and agrow wrong npc's) = my wallet not making any isk at all my drone bay got nerfed ( yes nerfed and for making it the same as it used to i need another month of skil trianing) im having TERRIBLE LAG! servers have ben more down then up jump gates dont work, or they lag alot. please role back to cold war or before coldwar and never bring out a new patch again. NONE OF THE BUGS GOT FIXED! THERE ONLY COME NEW ONES! im not able to do lvl4 missions with my raven and afriend in his raven. ( not that it mathers lvl3 make better money any way)
fireraven	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:31:00 - [1015] u guys need to restart the sever now theres major lag all over eve i mean major 10 min undocks and 4 min weapons modual activations
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:31:00 - [1016] Originally by: fireraven u guys need to restart the sever now theres major lag all over eve i mean major 10 min undocks and 4 min weapons modual activations i think rebooting does not help.
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:35:00 - [1017] why does basic damage control give structure resists when t1 doesn't? lag is very bad today
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:37:00 - [1018] Originally by: Jennai lag is very bad today Quoted for truth. It's barely playable. -- Saul Thrace
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:39:00 - [1019] Originally by: Goose1965 Can someone help me understand this "flagging" thing. I can't find it in the patch notes, but have seen discussion of "gank flagging". Also I wonder if this is what happened to me yesterday..was in a shuttle and podded...than when I was in station the aggro timer was on me?? Please help. Thanks, Goose 1: The flag system is bugged, but i guess you figured that out 2:Basically, the system works like this. If you take something that belongs to someone not in your gang or corp, you will be flagged towards that person, his gang and his corp. Allowing him to attack you without concord complaining. After he starts to shoot you, you can shoot him. Atm, if a rat shoots at you, a timer will show up. I havn't had any problems with that timer yet, but been told to stay clear of that factions stations untill it runs out (so, don't dock at a sansha station if you just shot/got shot at by a sansha). Hope this explains it a bit, and i hope i understood it correctly :)
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:39:00 - [1020] Originally by: Jennai why does basic damage control give structure resists when t1 doesn't? lag is very bad today I does, its just not shown until you activet it or undock. Thats my experience anyways.

Phrixus Zephyr	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:46:00 - [1021] Ok, chat text wrapping to 20 character as far as i can tell, not filling chat box. Clicking resize fixes this. Agent "Ossa Blaus" is bugged i think. Talk to her out of station but when i click saying completed mission nothing happens. Tested with another agent (Event agent also) he works fine and so do many others. Playing that record again... Lag when leaving/entering station/system. Activating/deactivating mods. Moving items into/from cargo/hanger. Starting conversations with agents. Accessing the map. Accessing anything and everything... I had NO lag before patch.
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.18 17:47:00 - [1022] there is no way to get a flag on the macro miners in jita who mine into their cargo and warp back to station every 10 minutes, this needs fixed because there's dozens of them already and there will be dozens more as they realize they can't macro ore safely.
Darion Bonareth	Posted - 2005.12.18 18:00:00 - [1023] my machine is rebooting when i go into combat with more than one ship. sys requ are met, drivers up-to-date. anybody else?
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2005.12.18 18:26:00 - [1024] Edited by: Ayla Vanir on 18/12/2005 18:28:21 Noticed a stuttering lag, with some unknown disk access every 3 seconds or so. Symptoms are that everything in EVE freezes for a short time (less than second), every (roughly) 3 seconds. This includes both graphics and also just typing into corp/local chat (letters typed do not appear, and then rush to catch up after the brief stutter passes). This is new to me in EVE, and occurs since the last hotfix I know about post-RMR. I did not notice it immediately after RMR went live - but I was having other issues that have since been resolved (stuck characters, blank agent dialog windows, and other things). The last hotfix that I know about occured 17 Dec, on or around 8pm GMT during an extended (more than an hour) unscheduled downtime. In addition to the repeated/regular disk access, I note that (from Task Manager data) eve.exe increases it's memory utilization every few seconds by (from what I see) 16k to 80k. After about an hour and 20 minutes, the amount of memory eve.exe is using roughly doubles, going from about 117mb to ~200mb. I've seen this twice so far, and continue to monitor it. This increase in memory usage occurs whether or not I'm docked in station "not doing anything" (no interaction with the UI) or out flying missions/playing normally. Since the time that I've noticed this issue, this computer's configuration has not changed (aside from RMR/eve) and has been used solely to run eve, an mirc chat client (connected to eve related chat rooms) and firefox... used to access this site. After some post-RMR issues, I uninstalled EVE, then installed fresh from the full client download.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.18 18:43:00 - [1025] Recruitment channel broken guys please fix it CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Wyno	Posted - 2005.12.18 18:44:00 - [1026] I cant LAG on to the server is that normal ? .. hum i mean LOG on
Bex Beere	Posted - 2005.12.18 18:57:00 - [1027] Minor problem with refining ore in the corp hangar - instead of the leftover bits of ore returning to the corp hangar they end up in my personal hangar. I like the new refining dialogue box though - very nice Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
Mad Scot	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:06:00 - [1028] game really is unplayable atm
Enkidu Uruksen	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:21:00 - [1029] Bug: can't anchor reactor in 0.3 When I try to anchor my medium reactor I get the error msg that according to a CONCORD convention reactors may not be anchored in 0.3 or above. This used to be 0.4 and above, and the RMR release notes say there were no changes in 0.3 for POS structures. I have a pre-RMR reactor running in the same 0.3 system. Will this get fixed?
Sabe	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:21:00 - [1030] Game unplayable, several minute lag for guns to start firing... Doing last gate of angel xtrava... Just lost 4 hammerhead II's, I was lagged bad for over ten minutes wouldnt move at all, tried scooping drones got error message saying ship not there, ten minutes later I'm warping to gate to another system. tried going back but locked up jumping first gate had to Cntrl-alt-delete and end process on Eve to get out... not going back in just a waste of time. 4 days of crap... think they might throw us a cookie after this? not likely :( Oh and BTW: FONT SIZE is sad... ----- TROLL One mans "flame" is another mans "constuctive criticism".

Tom Natal	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:21:00 - [1031] Originally by: Saul Thrace ok another bug, whenever I open the chat window for the first time in a session, the text wraps at 8 or 9 columns, when there is room for (a lot) more. Resizing the window around fixes the problem, with the text properly expanding itself to the right. This bug was around for me when I played last time (in 2004)... That is really strange. Cheers, T Natal --- What will come will change the galaxy...
Jon Ogden	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:35:00 - [1032] I can only type one chat entry in a chat window then it won't take any more. I have to activate a different chat window and come back to the first one to be able to type more text. Example: I type "Hi, what's up" in chat window #1 and hit enter to display my text. Now, I cannot type any more text into that chat window. I have to select a different chat window and then jump back to the first one and only THEN can I type more text. AAARGH!!!!!
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:38:00 - [1033] yeah youre lucky recruitment channel isnt even working well it works but im the only one there (everyone else has the same problem) recruiting and recruitment 2 are two quite but alternative channels until things are fixed (got a response its inactive until fixed) CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Constantinee	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:44:00 - [1034] i have a problem im entering the game im logged on but when i click to enter the game on my main character the load bar goes all the way up stays that way for a few mins then says failed and the screen goes black anyone else have this problem and what should i do
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.18 19:45:00 - [1035] constantinee (i guess youre character is in a system that may have crashed or lagged quite badly if u have an alt try logging in with that should work)_ youre main should work a little later on CCP please restore the recruitment channel
BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.18 20:10:00 - [1036] I hope we're not going to pat ourselves on the back because we've exceeded 20K players. The lag is totally unacceptable. Running missions is not only nearly impossible, it's dangerous. I lost my Raven last night due to the lag. Disconnects are also a problem. I tired to run a mission a few minutes ago: 1) Opening and emptying cans exceeded 30 secs per can 2) Tried to reload torps between spawns. Luanchers flashed, and flashed, and flashed...then flashed some more. Finally reloaded after 1 minute 23 seconds.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2005.12.18 20:18:00 - [1037] Yup, stuck for a third time today. 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
Flaxen Novastral	Posted - 2005.12.18 20:19:00 - [1038] For those of you who helped me with Patch ino, Thanks alot, I'm up and running now =) DarthMuhh
Crux Australis	Posted - 2005.12.18 20:21:00 - [1039] RMR issues ? Mmmm... I would like to help, seriously. But either I can't log in or if I manage to log in I can't do **** and get kicked after few mins...
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.18 20:51:00 - [1040] it was fun till i got stuck again:(

Khepri	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:12:00 - [1041] Originally by: BlackKnight I hope we're not going to pat ourselves on the back because we've exceeded 20K players. The lag is totally unacceptable. Running missions is not only nearly impossible, it's dangerous. I lost my Raven last night due to the lag. Disconnects are also a problem. I tired to run a mission a few minutes ago: 1) Opening and emptying cans exceeded 30 secs per can 2) Tried to reload torps between spawns. Luanchers flashed, and flashed, and flashed...then flashed some more. Finally reloaded after 1 minute 23 seconds. I second that! Was doing an easy mission. "Missing Convoy" (ya know, the one with the drones and the EMP field). Milk run, usually, really. Opened fire on the one bomber drone. Sent Drones. Then... I fire, drones stop, the target starts cycling, but nothing happens. I start to move away from the target. Activated Afterburner. I got out of lag about 5 minutes and 200 (!) Km later. And to make things interesting, my AB was stuck in the ON mode and didn't want to be turned off for the rest of the mission. Given the mentioned 30+ seconds lag for opening cans, the challenge wasn't really the enemy drones (being Gallente and a Droneboy helps a lot there) but rather to actually stop to open a can before it gets out of reach. Making a long story short, a mission that normally takes about 30 minutes took about 2 hours. Next up, an Angel Extra. Can't take it on, I gotta go to bed in 6 hours. Operation Hamstring? I'm not suicidal. Fix that friggin' lag. Please. Maybe put the deadspace pockets "out of system", I can live with lag when docking. I can't when trying to fight.
Morphias	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:25:00 - [1042] Hi, The Eve client seems to be taking up all of my pc's CPU, something that it never did before the patch. On another PC in the house this happens and causes the PC to restart. I have noticed a few people talking about the here and in other forums... help please CCP P.S. OMG how much lag!! All this aside... content patch looks great, just need to get a chance to play it now...... Website - http://www.ssfed.com Recruitment
Trinnaty	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:27:00 - [1043] I am having major problems today with my pc actually crashing and restarting anytime I try to do anything other than sit in a station! When checking my CPU usage its hitting 95% when I am trying to run eve.
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:37:00 - [1044] Originally by: Trinnaty I am having major problems today with my pc actually crashing and restarting anytime I try to do anything other than sit in a station! When checking my CPU usage its hitting 95% when I am trying to run eve. that sounds like a power supply issue
maria stallion	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:40:00 - [1045] Originally by: Trinnaty I am having major problems today with my pc actually crashing and restarting anytime I try to do anything other than sit in a station! When checking my CPU usage its hitting 95% when I am trying to run eve. eve takes 100% cpu when you are running eve at the front in windows, it only lowers it self when you are running it at the background and doing something else. atleast this was the situation before the patch and here aswell after the patch.
death2nite	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:43:00 - [1046] i cant even close my old petition to create a new one everytime i go from space to station or station to space or space to stargate or stargate to space i get stuck. highly annoying
Goddess Aphrodite	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:49:00 - [1047] Originally by: BlackKnight I hope we're not going to pat ourselves on the back because we've exceeded 20K players. The lag is totally unacceptable. Running missions is not only nearly impossible, it's dangerous. I lost my Raven last night due to the lag. Disconnects are also a problem. I tired to run a mission a few minutes ago: 1) Opening and emptying cans exceeded 30 secs per can 2) Tried to reload torps between spawns. Luanchers flashed, and flashed, and flashed...then flashed some more. Finally reloaded after 1 minute 23 seconds. Did you send in a petition or did you not even bother because you knew the answer already.....sorry charlie, better luck next time. That's my standard response to all my petitions due to lag. So far I have lost over 1 billion ISK due to lag. I mine for 3 days then either never make it to empire to sell or get killed soon after due to lag. Doesn't happen every trip to empire but enough that it's total crap. Losing ISK to lag and then getting the standard form-letter response that there is nothing in the logs is unacceptable.
Sophia Moceau	Posted - 2005.12.18 21:58:00 - [1048] Ahh, Ive wasted enough time over the last 4 days trying to play this. Had to log in the middle of a mission because I could not finish it. Ships hung up, modules would not function and barely escaped with enough hull to hold the ship together. CCP wants a pat on the back for this? Id like to turn them around and give them a tap on the nose for it.
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:03:00 - [1049] Sadly I must add one more bug to the list - some channels do not work. In particular, recruitment, but also other (missions, events, etc). -- Saul Thrace
Reto	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:28:00 - [1050] CELESTIS description shows only 1 turret hardpoint available...i think it was 3 turret and 2 missle hardpoints.

Fru Berner	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:29:00 - [1051] if not lag dissapear, Im out. This is not accepteble. Nought said.
Reto	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:30:00 - [1052] skill window doesnt show the skillpoint counter on the single skills when arrow is moved over em.
Batar Fireheart	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:47:00 - [1053] as far as log on problems and the font I am having no issues with that. but i am experiencing a graphical bug on the machariel .. itlooks like the skins on the inner part of the front pilons ( i guess thats what you would call them are strecthed out giving it a look like it was involved in a fender bender. "MAY YOUR WALLET BE FULL OF ISK AND YOUR CANNONS BLESSED"
RPxLeakyMeatCurtains	Posted - 2005.12.18 22:58:00 - [1054] Well CCP needs to bite the bullet and divide the servers.It's clear they do not have the server power or bandwidth--possibly both to support this many players.if its a bandwidth issue--i would imagine they need to put up a another server to best unload where the bottleneck is now--i guess it depends on where the most players are..i think most players are over in europe with USA close behind. At any rate, the lag is completely understandable after a major update like this one--but very frustrating.It just makes me wanna cancel my account and find something else to spend my money on.I play games to like this to alleviate my frustrations...not add to them!
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2005.12.18 23:56:00 - [1055] In recent weeks, we have seen Jita's population balloon from 250 odd pilots at a time to well over five hundred. Attempting to jump into or pass through the system results in a five minute loading period interspersed with frequent CTDs and command latencies of fifteen to thirty seconds between module activation and module effect. Players fly in, and they don't come out. In light of this, I am hereby enacting a petition to re-name Jita to something far more fitting: IRONFORGE. Jokes aside, would it be at all feasible to consider coding system population limits to avoid being mired in this giant blob of newbies and macro-miners? Give us detours to travel around the system with ease if it is over-populated; prevent people from jumping in if there's 200 people inside; change agents so that they do not send people into Jita for missions, and remove as many of the agents in Jita as humanly possible. The system is an eyesore and a nigh-impassable transit dam - isn't this precisely what the removal of highways was supposed to prevent?
Caanan	Posted - 2005.12.19 00:08:00 - [1056] Previously when you warped to a planet, the asteroid belts within its orbit would show up on your screen in the form of an upside down triangle. Why was this removed? Now I cannot scan down asteroid belts as quickly, and by the time I fiddle with ranges and find the target I'm looking for, they will have safespotted. This makes NPCers have an even easier time to escape destruction, and they really don't need that. It is unfair to those of us who want to pirate belts. CCP please put this feature back in the game.
MWEI	Posted - 2005.12.19 00:10:00 - [1057] When I forgot to retrive a drone in a deadspace pocket mission, instead of losing it, it gets moved to the "distant space" section. Now whenever I want to launch a drone I can only launch 4 because the 5th is in "deep space", I cant self destruct it, I cant find it because the mission is over, now I can only have 4 drones in space forever ADD A SELF DESTRUCT COMMAND!
Maltrox	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:23:00 - [1058] POS Operations in 0.3: I cannot anchor a Medium Reactor. I am informed by Concord that due to some agreement, anchoring a medium reactor in 0.3 and above systems is forbidden. I understand no changes were made to 0.3 POS operations but there was changes to 0.4 and above. I believe the code is interpreting my location as 0.4 when it is not. I have filed a bug report with a logserv file and screenshots, and a dxdiag file. I am not the only one to file such; other information from friends and allies has been pouring in. Only two things to say: Keep up the hard work resolving the issues as they arise CCP and crew. Players, be patient. I'm stuck in Jita too with horrible lag... but I manage.
Vanakov Mek'lanavar	Posted - 2005.12.19 01:45:00 - [1059] Well to be honest I'm doing ok so far, I was in sobeski with 200 other people running missions at the gates, it was all good. only annoying things so far: had a problem with laucher reloading please fix the AI voice.
Piper Maru	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:28:00 - [1060] You can't reprocess mining crystals anymore.

Kyguard	Posted - 2005.12.19 02:52:00 - [1061] Drones do not show up in your "drone overview" when you undock even though they are in your dronebay. -- I don't represent my alliance God is on the side with the best artillery
Vithmiris	Posted - 2005.12.19 03:11:00 - [1062] > Small pauses in the entire game engine when the overview updates. Meaning when objects move up and down in distance, etc. (Not noticable when the overview is collapsed.) > General tab of character sheet notes that i have 0.4 sec.status, which is correct. However when right clicking my ship and selecting my pilot info it shows as 0.0. > Loot tables should be looked into. > Carriage Return (Enter) no longer works when searching assets. (player is forced to click search button)
Piotr Anatolev	Posted - 2005.12.19 04:36:00 - [1063] Edited by: Piotr Anatolev on 19/12/2005 04:37:41 Drones: After having destroyed their targets, my warriors mostly come to rest in space where the last engagement took place. If that happens they stop responding to any commands. I have to move my vessel to within 1500 meters for them to scoop. /EDIT and I'm not outside their effective control range, might happen a few k's off my ship and still behaves like that.
Shugo Kazuma	Posted - 2005.12.19 07:23:00 - [1064] This has probably been mentioned, but if you select multiple items and try to right click them (to unlock stuff in containers, refining etc) it takes a long time for the drop down menu to appear, the more item, the longer it takes. This wasn't a problem before the patch, and it's pretty annyoing since I have to unlock tons of items to keep my hanger clean since station containers don't have a insert into can in unlocked mode.
Copine Callmeknau	Posted - 2005.12.19 07:56:00 - [1065] My biggest issue with RMR is the injection of so many whiners into the forums >_< ------- With five million sheep in this army I seem to be the only one fit to command
Tequila Slamma	Posted - 2005.12.19 08:10:00 - [1066] Things I love: 1. My shiny new Cyclone, and the fact that I don't need a bunch of RCUs to fit 720s, and that my two Invul Shield IIs run indefinitely. 2. My tweaked Rupture, down to one RCU, so I've got space for more armor mods. 3. My uber-Rifter, three lows and three mids? I spanked my CEO in a 1-v-1, accidently blew up his Rifter and his Rocket Kessie. Definitely my fave ship!
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.19 08:40:00 - [1067] recruitment channel receiving no love and still broken CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.19 09:32:00 - [1068] Had a glitch yesterday. Was training a skill, and when it was about to finish, it read: "ETA: Imminent". Nothing happened, the indicator kept blinking. Switched to another skill, then returned to the former... which started over from 0 :-( Luckily it was only a 25 min. one, not one that took 5 days... -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.19 09:58:00 - [1069] that skill thing i think is known though CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Sentille	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:09:00 - [1070] Up until about 11pm last night: Taking about 10-15mins to login, if at all. Lag is so bad the games unplayable, took me 7 mins to undock from a station. Hopefully its better today Spectre Op's - Head of Diplomacy

sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:10:00 - [1071] if youre in jita during peakhour no if youre in a quite area should be much better CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Ion Shape	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:11:00 - [1072] You can't select and copy text from chat window when pictures are on in chat window.
Jan Riksma	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:15:00 - [1073] Plz fix the bpc drops in the complexes. They should have moved to the last lvl but i did about 40 complexes post rmr (full respwans) and it didn't drop anything.
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:15:00 - [1074] no cut and paste is via written text and no pictures only - and u cant do it in the recruitment channel (oh wait u can) just no one else can connect to talk to u - the whole dang thing is only u it doesnt connect other playres in yet. Bugged nerfed - im getting its coming in help chat but no definite dates CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Aria Stardancer	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:24:00 - [1075] What ive seen. 1) "Buddies" in the address book do not 'update' unless you add them AFTER RMR.. which meens you have to either wait for them to fix it, or remove then re-add all your contacts. for the online/offline indicator to work. 2) Overview. For some odd reason only 1/2 of the objects i have selected to show up, actualy show up. Some player ships are not showing on the overhead, NONE of the Rats do, even though i have them selected as showing up on the overhead. 3) market seems to cause me to crash at random times (dont think its triggerd by what i do as its happend when ive doen different things)
Deor	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:25:00 - [1076] Why have the labs been changed in to different types!? My BPO research station is in a nice quiet dead end 0.3 system. We had loads of spare labs there before the patch and prices were nice and low. Now, with this stupid idea of 20 ME labs 20 PE labs and 20 Copy labs all the ME labs are booked for the next 24+ days, there are 3 jobs in the Copy labs and no one is using the PE labs at all! Please change it back so we can use all the labs for every type of job or give us more ME labs for gods sake! . UK Corp Website -- Guest Book
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:31:00 - [1077] well find a different system to research in ? or CCP can add another 10-15 in busy stations at an extra cost CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Latton CALLAN	Posted - 2005.12.19 11:45:00 - [1078] Edited by: Latton CALLAN on 19/12/2005 11:46:51 1) Can't cancel a research or manufacturing job 2) The ship maintenance array allowing people to refitt and activate module without used 95% of cap doesn't work (need 95% cap to onlining module) 3) Open corp hangard then members hangard open a pop-up windows with choice menu, I have display issue backgroup pop-up in center of screen and choice menu displayed with a gap on the bottom right corner (windows display position issue) 4) Same problem as 3) when right cliking on a BPO and choose manufacturing, in the job launch process I have a display gap. For 3) and 4) problems seem be present on Nvidia and Ati graphics card. 5) Kill mail format changed creating lot of issue over 80% of killboard made by player, restore previous kill mail formating ----------- >> COLSUP: Consortium des SociTtTs Unies Pacifiques recrute !
Esaam DeVries	Posted - 2005.12.19 12:31:00 - [1079] It is no longer possible to create or join channels with foreign characters in their names. For example, if I try to join the "fOte" channel, I will have a "Invalid channel name" error message. The same happens with characters such as d a t T and such.
JahWookie	Posted - 2005.12.19 12:37:00 - [1080] covert ops cloak (not used other cloaks) deactivation / reactvation timer not resetting when jumping through a gate. ie cloak, warp to gate, decloak, jump through, activate warp and you get the cannot cloak again for another 10seconds etc when you try and activate the cloak again in the next system. not major but quite annoying :(

Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2005.12.19 12:56:00 - [1081] Only bug that ****es me off is Locator agents stopped working. http://eve.klaki.net/
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.19 13:48:00 - [1082] I'm going to try a clean install, hopefully that'll stop me CTDing every 30 seconds. Aside from that slight inconvienence I haven't got any complaints. __________________________________________________
Levin Cavil	Posted - 2005.12.19 13:58:00 - [1083] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu In recent weeks, we have seen Jita's population balloon from 250 odd pilots at a time to well over five hundred. Attempting to jump into or pass through the system results in a five minute loading period interspersed with frequent CTDs and command latencies of fifteen to thirty seconds between module activation and module effect. Players fly in, and they don't come out. In light of this, I am hereby enacting a petition to re-name Jita to something far more fitting: IRONFORGE. Jokes aside, would it be at all feasible to consider coding system population limits to avoid being mired in this giant blob of newbies and macro-miners? Give us detours to travel around the system with ease if it is over-populated; prevent people from jumping in if there's 200 people inside; change agents so that they do not send people into Jita for missions, and remove as many of the agents in Jita as humanly possible. The system is an eyesore and a nigh-impassable transit dam - isn't this precisely what the removal of highways was supposed to prevent? signed, approved, please enact asap.
Johncrab	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:12:00 - [1084] My Nvidia graphics card is working at 10fps before patch the grapics where great, now some textures really suck. The drone overview only appears after the first warp. It's not visible when you exit the station. Yes, there is some heavy lag, but i went to a quiet region while ccp fixes this problem, and the lag issue almost desapier. Otherwise, the new content is awsome. Nice job
Rooman Black	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:19:00 - [1085] Issue: Buddies that are online appear offline and this affects gang can flagging. Description: I run two clients (two seperate installs) on a dual screen setup. The last client to login doesn't see the already logged in user as being online. You can form a gang and chat with them as normal. However if someone steals ore from a gang 'can' then only the stolen from member can attack them if they where offline to the other member. Also the gang can can't be accessed by any gang member who see's the can creator offline. I lost 3300 weight in ore to this today. Hope this makes sense. It's always repeatable and I have screenies if needed.
Zachios Primos	Posted - 2005.12.19 15:22:00 - [1086] not sure if this has been mentioned (not looking at all the posts ) but when being locked the caution indicator comes up saying i'm locked but when aggroed uppon it stays as yellow, doesn't go red. I only know i'm being fired upon is because i hear it and then i see their damage info __________________________________ Botox Bandits - Got shot? __________________________________
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.19 16:07:00 - [1087] Originally by: Irashi I'm going to try a clean install, hopefully that'll stop me CTDing every 30 seconds. I've done that, now it's every 20 seconds and I have no potraits. __________________________________________________
Jezala	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:05:00 - [1088] Corp Chat appears to be bugged. This bug kicked in suddenly...the trigger for the event is unknown. While portraits are shown in corp chat, no one can see any new text being inputted by themselves or by anyone else except what was already typed in prior to the bug kicking in. Removing the portraits and switching to pure text mode clears up the problem and displays all text entries after the bug.
FrontC	Posted - 2005.12.19 17:12:00 - [1089] Minor bug with market and faction ships. I was able to right-click on my Gila and "Sell this Item". It now appears on my orders page. However, there's no way to find it - browsing or searching via the market screen yields no results. It's going to take a AWFULLY long time to sell if no one can find it!! If the intention is to exclude faction ships from the market that's fine, but of course I shouldn't be able to put it up there in the first place.
Oisin	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:40:00 - [1090] Originally by: Levin Cavil Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu In recent weeks, we have seen Jita's population balloon from 250 odd pilots at a time to well over five hundred. Attempting to jump into or pass through the system results in a five minute loading period interspersed with frequent CTDs and command latencies of fifteen to thirty seconds between module activation and module effect. Players fly in, and they don't come out. In light of this, I am hereby enacting a petition to re-name Jita to something far more fitting: IRONFORGE. Jokes aside, would it be at all feasible to consider coding system population limits to avoid being mired in this giant blob of newbies and macro-miners? Give us detours to travel around the system with ease if it is over-populated; prevent people from jumping in if there's 200 people inside; change agents so that they do not send people into Jita for missions, and remove as many of the agents in Jita as humanly possible. The system is an eyesore and a nigh-impassable transit dam - isn't this precisely what the removal of highways was supposed to prevent? signed, approved, please enact asap. Signed. Ditto for Oursulaert - how about making a gate to bypass the system as the only reason I go there is when my autopilot tells me to. ((I agree with Istvaan and Levin - is that a record?)) Placid Reborn is Recruiting

iqplayer	Posted - 2005.12.19 18:44:00 - [1091] Another issue that popped up for me just today (but worked yesterday) is inserting jobs into POS Assembly arrays (Ammo assembly in this case). I right click the bp in the hangar, click manufacture. Choose Select factory, choose the location and assembly line, click use assembly line...... and it goes back to the original screen with no factory chosen. Worked fine yesterday, as I built loads of ammo. I can choose the assembly line by going to the Science & Industry button, but then I can't choose bp's that are in the hangar at the POS.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:07:00 - [1092] Just lost all my implants returning to my main body from a jumpclone!
Kendo Nagis	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:19:00 - [1093] Monster unplayable lag. Yes l'm in 0.0. No no-one else with me. 30 seconds and upwards to do anything if you are lucky! My entire corp is unable to play (literally unplayable) Please take the cluster down and hotfix it till it works. This limping along for 23 hours and then praying to the gods each downtime that it might come up ok is doing my nut. It's bareable until about 4-5pm evetime then it's just futile. Looking at the problems people list above, 90% of them are symptoms of lag. Plus l cant get graphs of market history, only table view. Also when you log in, when you select your account and click in the pword field it jumps back to the account selection arrow and requires a second click to move it back to pword field. What a small problem but hey, no-ones mentioned it so far :)
Draycar Hazaran	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:41:00 - [1094] Odd texture issues here and there. For instance, I flew past a planet, and it looked like a giant rainbow disco ball. Then, I approached a stargate to find that the Sarum Customs Armageddon there also had the disco effect going, only it was green and blue.
Phrixus Zephyr	Posted - 2005.12.19 19:54:00 - [1095] Game now unplayable. Try to leave a system ship gets stuck at a gate, wont move, wont accept commands. Hardly any of my corp are playing, we can't 'do' anything.
SharkBaait	Posted - 2005.12.19 20:53:00 - [1096] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau My biggest issue with RMR is the injection of so many whiners into the forums >_< another idiot i see
rangerrabbit	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:00:00 - [1097] not gonna read 38 pages so if this has been brought up just ignore it i really dont like having to use 2 seperate commands to get drones to return to bay, if some are in scoop range, and some arent, you have to tell 1 grp to return to bay, and tell the other grp to scoop to bay, not a big deal, just annoying
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:20:00 - [1098] I'm going add another issue I'm afraid. Auto-join on 'rookie help' now means that the channel is completely flooded. Seems that most newbies are getting frustrated. I tried to help a bit, but it's like a bloody tidal wave. I also asked a question, which (understandably) was never answered. IMHO the auto join wasn't such a good idea. -- Saul Thrace
Kula Alpha	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:40:00 - [1099] I checked insurance today, and got 3 expiration notices, all time stamped with the time I opened the insurance window. I reinsured, sent petition. The same thing happened to a corpmate as well, also three ships.
Rimhawk	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:45:00 - [1100] 1. Incredible lag while travelling. I was heading from a caldari border system to Amarr, next on to Orvolle and after that back to our corp base in akkilen. At this rate just travelling with an MWD frig is going to take over 3 evenings... I'm into my second evening and have just managed to left amarr. And that's travelling in an MWD frig... :S 2. Random disconnects; Every 20 minutes or so. Rimhawk IX Technologies

Jossarian Scali	Posted - 2005.12.19 21:55:00 - [1101] Totally unplayable! Undocking is nightmare, traveling is impossible, market dosen't work... Well, only thing to do is sitting in station and chat. Btw, this all started before RMR, a day or two before. But now this is intorable... Nice game, but I can chat cheaper elsewhere.
kptLepra	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:32:00 - [1102] My entire corp is quiting EVE slowly..... had enough of torture... lack of good excuses.... and thats after almost two years... so sad....
Shiipo	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:36:00 - [1103] Edited by: Shiipo on 19/12/2005 22:39:33 There seems to be a problem with the "eye for an eye" feature, or it's not accurately described. Some of us went hunting player rats yesterday, and after we were done some of the gang members reported that the pirats had gotten kill rights on them. Since the targets were all -5 or lower, it shouldn't be counted as "unsanctioned combat" as described by the rmr feature page, but if you read the patch notes it doesn't say unsanctioned combat, and there is no information on exactly how it's supposed to work (or I'm not finding it anyway). We tried to sort out if the ones that got on the kill rights did something different, such as getting the killmail, but we found no such common factor - it seemed to be completely random.
Gretchen Dawntreader	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:39:00 - [1104] I had the exact same thing with insurance that the earlier poster did, opened the insurance window to see if it had undergone any changes with RMR, and instantly got 3 simultaneous evemails saying my insurance ran out.
Shiipo	Posted - 2005.12.19 22:42:00 - [1105] Originally by: Kula Alpha I checked insurance today, and got 3 expiration notices, all time stamped with the time I opened the insurance window. I reinsured, sent petition. The same thing happened to a corpmate as well, also three ships. It's been like that for as long as I can remember, you don't get the insurance mail telling you about an insurance that ran out until you bring up the insurance window in a station for some reason.
noktamid	Posted - 2005.12.19 23:30:00 - [1106] Edited by: noktamid on 19/12/2005 23:30:02 Originally by: Jossarian Scali Nice game, but I can chat cheaper elsewhere. LOL i hate chicken
Drahcir Nasom	Posted - 2005.12.19 23:32:00 - [1107] This thread is a complete waste of space, it now runs to 38 pages and over 1100 messages. Because it is so long, people can't be bothered to read the whole thread and see if their particular "bug" has been posted before, and not a single one of the 1100+ messages is a reply from a Dev about any of the issues raised. For some reason the moderators want us to throw everything in here where no-one will ever see 90% of it, but it would be so much easier to see what issues had already been raised if we could have seperate threads about the issues, and we might actually get Dev replies to some of the issues as well.
Ituralde	Posted - 2005.12.19 23:44:00 - [1108] The buddylist is bugged. All my pre-RMR buddies show up with the red box whether or not they are online. Post-RMR added buddies work fine.
Rowan Lyon	Posted - 2005.12.19 23:49:00 - [1109] I select multiple objects and the right-click in an attempt to quickly reprocess everything. The menu never pops up. :( __________________________________________________ God gave men two heads but only enough blood to run one.
Dorgeo	Posted - 2005.12.20 00:19:00 - [1110] Edited by: Dorgeo on 20/12/2005 00:19:39 Constant CTD,just lost my harpy and all its tech II mods bar 2 x 125 tech II rails doing a lvl 3 mission.(was in a gang so wasnt as if i couldnt do it)not good

devik Elishari	Posted - 2005.12.20 02:12:00 - [1111] Eve before red moon = 10 out of 10, funest game ever !!!! Eve after red moon = 0 out of 10. Cause i CANT EVEN UNDOCK !!! IT TOOK ME 5 MIN TO F'IN LOGIN TODAY. CANT CHANGE SKILLS !!! WTF !!! THESE PPL GET PAID TO MAKE THIS GAME RUN AND OPERATE SO WHY DOES IT SEEM THE GAME IS LIKE A MAN THAT JUST GOT HIT BY A BUS AND IS IN BARELY ALIVE AND FUNCTIONING. OMG !! LIFE IS OVER
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.20 02:33:00 - [1112] can i have youre stuff. CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Darkle	Posted - 2005.12.20 03:05:00 - [1113] Don't know if this is the right place to beg but PLEASE rethink some of the tech 2 building changes, specifically: - there's virtually nowhere left to research ME without waiting ages to even start - you cant research a ship to ME 20 (exceeds max time) and almost everyone does this as a minimum - please please please either (a) go back to not having RAM be consumed or (b) seriously increase the drop rate on RAM by several thousand percent
Scyrdein	Posted - 2005.12.20 08:31:00 - [1114] I`ve just noticed a one, very bad thing in SiSi. My character face was changed and I`m very afraid that this may happen and on TQ after patching.. Just compare TQ Picture SiSi Picture Additional link to similar topic http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=262232 --- Hey! Return my eyelashes!
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.20 09:01:00 - [1115] under eve offical channels - corparate tab we have two channels CEO and recruitment - CEO works fine recruitment u can connect and post but .... u are the only one there everoyne is having the same issue - solution restore it to working status CCP please restore the recruitment channel
Maltrox	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:12:00 - [1116] Due to a bug, anchoring medium reactors in 0.3 space is forbidden. No changes were supposed to have been made. Myself, Leyanna and Enkidu Uruksen have all filed petitions to get this fixed and three times I have been informed by ISD that a "dev has been notified" to get this fixed. If I cannot anchor a reactor in 0.3 space as is orginally intended by December 31st 2005, I have no other option but to liquidate Leyanna's corporation and it's assets and abandon my entire project that I have busted my a$$ off for. If there were no changes to 0.3, then why all the sudden is the code bugged?! Every downtime that goes by (three now) without resolution is killing two new corporations and their members from the game.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:12:00 - [1117] Originally by: Darkle Don't know if this is the right place to beg but PLEASE rethink some of the tech 2 building changes, specifically: - there's virtually nowhere left to research ME without waiting ages to even start this is so wrong... get your empire butt out of Jita...
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:13:00 - [1118] I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it seem that ECM drones jamm 100%. So 1 ECM drome = win.
Jhonen Senraedi	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:30:00 - [1119] Well..Love the game but it is having some teething problems since RMR patch...all of which are slowly being addressed by the devs... OK..now on to my situations since RMR.. 1/Lost a destroyer while on an agentt mission...L2....Lag(No not the normal,supposed player caused lag)..15 second or so key response input.Lost my Minmatar Destroyer and a lot of fairly decent weapons etc.Had forgotten to insure so guess I lost about..750k-1 mill isk in ship and items.Plus ended up losing a mission critical component for a delivery(This was sorted by GMs though so thanks)..Ended up quitting mission and losing rep because it was impossible with the lag. 2/Lost a rifter yetserday after entering combat in a deadspace complex...ok I got swarmed by a horde of rats but graphical display went haywire which led to this...All interface was blinking on and off,enemies were appearing and re-appiring...couldn't keep check on damage I was taking..couldn't repair damage...couldn't lock on to warp out location...Lost ship plus a lot of loot including l3 overseer item etc etc.Not a pre-RMR issue ..only started happening since RMR. 3/Had lag so bad in some situations that it was taking 30 seconds to a minute or so for weapons to open up or targets to lock. 4/Been stuck several times in stations and warps etc..but last night after a reboot..couldn't get back into game so lost by my estimate...approx...6 hours skill training. Now my questions are...a/How does one try and get a re-imbursement of ships or items lost due to the issues above(I lost another ship recently but THAT WAS my own stupid fault..not lag or graphical probs caused by the RMR install) b/Couldn't the devs award all players..say approx 8 hours free skill training to be assigned as they wish...to address the loss of play time etc?Is this doable? c/Remember loss of playtime and loss of ships etc. impacts ona persons ability to make money....thus..some form of monetary reward/compensation should be looked at for all players who have experienced the problems...except,perhaps those...who made a killing through their production being auto-completed and getting their minerals back during patch deployment.Seems it's a case of rewarding/compensating the rich or longer standing players and letting the newer guys fall further behind....
Siren Shiva	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:46:00 - [1120] Locator agents are still not fixed. Please, please, pretty please fix them asap. This pretty much prevents me from playing the game the way I enjoy, right now.

Luckyduck	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:08:00 - [1121] how about the 36 rad/sec wasp drone.... :-/
Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:48:00 - [1122] Originally by: Kula Alpha I checked insurance today, and got 3 expiration notices, all time stamped with the time I opened the insurance window. I reinsured, sent petition. The same thing happened to a corpmate as well, also three ships. That sounds fairly normal. Insurance has always been screwy like that. You never get reminders and expiration mails are only sent when you open the insurance dialog. If you look at the text for each message it will say the insurance period (but not the ship) it relates to. God only knows why the Devs ever thought this was a good system but they haven't seen fit to change it for nearly two years. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:50:00 - [1123] Originally by: Shiipo Edited by: Shiipo on 19/12/2005 22:39:33 There seems to be a problem with the "eye for an eye" feature, or it's not accurately described. Some of us went hunting player rats yesterday, and after we were done some of the gang members reported that the pirats had gotten kill rights on them. Since the targets were all -5 or lower, it shouldn't be counted as "unsanctioned combat" as described by the rmr feature page, but if you read the patch notes it doesn't say unsanctioned combat, and there is no information on exactly how it's supposed to work (or I'm not finding it anyway). We tried to sort out if the ones that got on the kill rights did something different, such as getting the killmail, but we found no such common factor - it seemed to be completely random. Oveur has posted that it's a feature. You always used to get the agression timer but now the client displays it when it didn't used to. My guess is that criminal flagging hooks into the agression logic and it was simpler to show all aggressions rather than try to be clever. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Kurt Maelstrom	Posted - 2005.12.20 14:53:00 - [1124] Edited by: Kurt Maelstrom on 20/12/2005 14:55:48 Yesterday, first time playing in RMR, lost my new Ferox and a lot of great mods on it along with a mission critical delivery item. All due to being unable to Jump when being attacked by a gate ganker. I had a microwarp drive and got to the gate in record time, he targeted me and launched missles, I fired back and was denied jump request for MY "agressive" Actions??? I dont have any where near the funds to recover from this. Its as though im being penalized for not wanting to be a sitting duck/target/punching bag, take your pick. Is there some reason behind catering to Gate Gankers like this? It is certanly stacking the deck in their favor.
Shiipo	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:45:00 - [1125] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Shiipo Edited by: Shiipo on 19/12/2005 22:39:33 There seems to be a problem with the "eye for an eye" feature, or it's not accurately described. Some of us went hunting player rats yesterday, and after we were done some of the gang members reported that the pirats had gotten kill rights on them. Since the targets were all -5 or lower, it shouldn't be counted as "unsanctioned combat" as described by the rmr feature page, but if you read the patch notes it doesn't say unsanctioned combat, and there is no information on exactly how it's supposed to work (or I'm not finding it anyway). We tried to sort out if the ones that got on the kill rights did something different, such as getting the killmail, but we found no such common factor - it seemed to be completely random. Oveur has posted that it's a feature. You always used to get the agression timer but now the client displays it when it didn't used to. My guess is that criminal flagging hooks into the agression logic and it was simpler to show all aggressions rather than try to be clever. Are you talking about the timer up in the top left corner? Because I checked my kill rights list when they said they could be killed by ppl and didn't find anything... I'll ask again though and see if they are gone now anyway, I'll update this and the previous post in that case.
Sovereign1100	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:32:00 - [1126] Originally by: Kurt Maelstrom Edited by: Kurt Maelstrom on 20/12/2005 14:55:48 Yesterday, first time playing in RMR, lost my new Ferox and a lot of great mods on it along with a mission critical delivery item. All due to being unable to Jump when being attacked by a gate ganker. I had a microwarp drive and got to the gate in record time, he targeted me and launched missles, I fired back and was denied jump request for MY "agressive" Actions??? I dont have any where near the funds to recover from this. Its as though im being penalized for not wanting to be a sitting duck/target/punching bag, take your pick. Is there some reason behind catering to Gate Gankers like this? It is certanly stacking the deck in their favor. Its ALWAYS been the case that if you fire back at someone even in self defence you cannot jump. If you had NOT fired, you would have been able to get through the gate. We all learned this lesson the hard way. Don't feel bad.
Libertine Jericho	Posted - 2005.12.20 20:06:00 - [1127] Been playing most of the day when the population was around 14-15k, no lag at all. Log on tonight, population is reaching 19-20k and the game is unplayable. Will this be the case until the new hardware is in use ?
Freibeuter	Posted - 2005.12.20 20:55:00 - [1128] I cannot login. I do not even get the usual black screen, my characters won't show up in the selection anymore. Just 3 empty fields. I wonder if they're still there at all. One of my characters couldn't log in for days now. With the others gone too, I cannot even petition a GM to un-stick me. I've said it before and I'm saying it again: If it's not fixed till Friday I'll cast my money-vote against EVE and go back to Blizzard. (After not much more than one month here) You know your game is fubar when one month is enough to annoy people to the point they're quitting.
Dakath	Posted - 2005.12.20 22:08:00 - [1129] Game is unplayable due to LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! I just had to abandon a level 3 mission due to LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! CCP should stop billing until the lag is fixed. Oh, and that drone nerf worked no better than the highway nerf. Wow! That drone nerf eliminated all lag!
BABARR	Posted - 2005.12.21 01:24:00 - [1130] Well, i dont really know if this was signaled in the 39 post before, but i dont have the courage to read all. So, RMR problems i have see : -HEAVY probleme whith the BUDDIE list !!! (i see lot of ppl disconnected when they are log on, ect... -i can't use agent to locate another player, i enter the name, and i never had the message of the agent who say the price of the location. -I find the drone MORE stupid than before. They do 2m/s when they are at 1700m of my ship when i call them to come in the drone bay.(And no, they are not stuck) -I have the message who say iam a "can thief" when i want to pickup the loot result of the killing of a ebil pirate (PVP loot), so i dont know if iam really flagged like a "can thief" when i do that or not. -I have always the concord message "Warning! Your are going to start criminal activitie...blabla" When i want attack WAR target or someone in 0,0 space. That all... for the moment :)

BlackKnight	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:21:00 - [1131] COuld we please, please do something about this random disconenction problem? It makes it very difficult to play the game. Several other players in the local chan are having the same trouble. This is not an ISP issue. Thanks.
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2005.12.21 02:31:00 - [1132] The game is unplayable right now. The lag is huge, needing minutes to do a move, and if it dosn't do it, then you are being kicked out as connection with the server have been lost. This is the seventh day... For seven days I couldn't do more than 40 jumps in total. I congratulate you CCP for your expansion but still... this is going a little bit to far with the problem. I don't remember any expansion causing 7 days of unplayable time in the past. And the day of tomorrow yet have to come. _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Dogballs	Posted - 2005.12.21 05:42:00 - [1133] well this is what bothers me the most. when i rat i keep losing my target lock like im jammed yet its for every gurista ship i encounter, wether its a frig or a battleship(and they arn't the ships desined for jamming). i would lock on and then get jammed i would then switch targets and still be unable to get a lock....in the mean time im being murderd and jammed again, and again, and again.....ect. the new research and manufacturing setup is more complex and seems to take longer then needed for doing research and im not to crazy about having to unload the items or bpos after said research and manufacturing is complete i would rather have it go to my hanger. the rats make it really hard for me to solo mine for needed minerals. isogen wich i tend to get in .4 sec space mining kernite has gotten really tough for me to aquire especially with multiple spawns of cruisers (dont get me wrong its a good thing) but if you guys want ppl to spread out in low sec space you need to find a balence for the solo player, because nobody will help me mine for the needed minerals in my corp and i sure as s*** wont buy overpriced isogen on the market overall you guys did a wonderfull job with the patch...it did go smoother then most other games
Thales Archon	Posted - 2005.12.21 06:56:00 - [1134] Edited by: Thales Archon on 21/12/2005 06:56:39 I am getting little to no lag. I play at all times of the day, from 5k people online to 20k this past Sunday. I live in Hawaii, and play on a wireless connection (ofter from coffee shops). If anyone on the planet should be getting lag, it should be me... but I'm really not. I have noticed a little bit of screen stuttering, however, and I'm wondering if the client-side requirements have jumped up. I've noticed my CPU running hotter than before, too. I'm running a GeForce 6800 Ultra. I wonder if much of the "lag" trouble is due to systems with lower specs trying to sift through a client with increased overhead.
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.12.21 09:19:00 - [1135] Like the person above me (about the stuttering) ive noticed the same thing. Except it only happens (so far) if i turn on a webifier.. Other then that i havent really run into problems .though as most here can understand a webifier is a fairly important tool in both pvp and pve forms of playing..so if i turn that baby on and i get moronic amounts of stuttering ..well thats pretty much unplayable to me.
tiller	Posted - 2005.12.21 09:42:00 - [1136] Hi I was shocked to browse as instructed by the op, the Known Issues page..... Looks like there is very little wrong with eve atm. I see the note about it not being up to date, but the current state of it is quite frankly a joke. Seriously, if I sat down for 5-6hrs and just clicked through eves GUI I could extend that list by about 200% (not joking guys) I don't usually post in these threads but I think we all know there are alot of problems and alot of bugs to be ironed out. One thing that is not being done here that is vital to both ironing out bugs and keeping everyone informed is to have someone update the KNOWN ISSUES page as bugs / problems are found. Please assign someone to keep this page updated from your bug tracking software, or at least some of it..... I don't for one second think that what is listed there is all that is known to be wrong I totally appreciate the magnitude of the job in hand for CCP atm. They have the most complex online game ever created to expand and debug. It's a mammoth task and hats off to them so far for the job they are doing. Just assign someone to interact more with your players, they, as you know are your most important bug finding tool :-) Few things I've spotted.. Corp roles management - The default width of the tables is like 5 * my screen width with no sideways scrolling ability making it impossible to manage corp members. Often headers for columns are missing so I can't see what the check box for a member does. Very slow performance of any content that uses a scroll bar, like escrow and the market. Once opened IMHO these areas should scroll smoothly, not lag and freeze. Once content is loaded into a list for scrolling, it should be a 'nice user experience' to browse through it. A populated list is not effected by server / net performance and is a client coding issue.
Gravis	Posted - 2005.12.21 10:00:00 - [1137] Just got a new Ammo BPO . When putting it in the factory it uses RAM Weapon tech. My question is: ShouldnÆt it be RAM Ammo tech?
Dante Chusuk	Posted - 2005.12.21 10:21:00 - [1138] Edited by: Dante Chusuk on 21/12/2005 10:21:55 Dunno if anyone has mentioned this but the alliances might find it useful. Currently I can't spot the Cloning Facility Operation skill. As this is required at Level V for clone vat bay operation I'd say prospective alliance Mothership and Titan drivers are going to be wanting to get a head start on it. It's not showing up even when unticking "show only available" (while BPOs were before they were seeded). If this has been pointed out already apologies but I don't want to wade through 20+ pages to find it isn't there Don't need this skill personally (well ok maybe I do ) I was just checking skill requirements for new gear for Eve Character Manager skill file.
Lost Minnity	Posted - 2005.12.21 10:32:00 - [1139] Not sure this has been mentioned, but after accessing to the map function, some of the graphics from the map is superimposed on the objects in space. Looks weird. If anyone is able to offer an solution to this problem, I will be very grateful.
Jennai	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:20:00 - [1140] the little triangle icons for asteroid belts are missing, and you have to open/close the map to get them to reappear. ------- macro hunters - join channel MacroIntel

sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:23:00 - [1141] hmmm i can see the asteroid triangles easily enough Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.
Bambi	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:30:00 - [1142] Originally by: Mari Y'Tuk Bugs: BPO's not returned to hanger after job finish? Unable to cancel Pending Jobs - major headache as Jobs screen does not update when you or someone else starts a job - and jobs queue up for that slot rather than use another empty one. This is a serrious pain in the 'arris. Also not being able to deliver partial builds such as ammo. If you are building 10k missiles and only want to grab a couple of 100 you gotta wait til the whole damn thing is done. If God made us to be just like him, then God is dumb and maybe a little ugly on the side...[F.Z]
Kcel Chim	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:43:00 - [1143] sorry i didnt read 39 pages so those might have been reported. a) buddies who are in your buddylist show in local / gang / corpchat often with a red "offline" mark despite beeing online. b) bpcs for manufactoring lack a run number, me number, pe number in the "install" screen c) earlier today it was possible to select bpcs in the install screen for ME research. I didnt try to actually install it but maybe its worth looking into it.
Sharcy	Posted - 2005.12.21 13:58:00 - [1144] Originally by: Dakath Game is unplayable due to LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! LAG! I was playing at the same time as you posted this last night, and I had no lag what soever. I was in the Tash-Murkon region. -- Press [Alt][F4] for my witty signature...
Irashi	Posted - 2005.12.21 14:56:00 - [1145] Why have I got a 15 min aggression countdown for getting locked by -not engaging- just getting locked by .4 belt rats? __________________________________________________
Valeria Wolf	Posted - 2005.12.21 15:27:00 - [1146] Things seem to be looking better The lag is intermittent and while I still wont do a mission I can proceed with day to day things like mining. issues Im still encountering: Odd CTD - again intermittent but sometimes its when I undock, sometimes when I gate, sometimes when I warp... Chat bug - some people show online some offline I belive those that enter after me show correctly. Drones - just as likely to ingore my command as accept it... but I think this was around before RMR. while RMR got off to a horrible start I feel as if CCP is making rapid progress to return to the pre-RMR norm. Thanks guys
CaptianBlack	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:02:00 - [1147] just had a nasty bug... my shield booster locked on.. only 2 ways to turn it of... dock or let the cap run dry... not good when your in the middle of a mission.....
Kyguard	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:02:00 - [1148] The lag is getting better however it is still insufficient to pvp properly. The game is fine and then I get short bursts of concentrated lag sometimes while in-warp, while waiting at a gate for no reason, and when I jump into a new system. Please fix it soon -- I don't represent my alliance God is on the side with the best artillery
Zubenelgenubi	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:06:00 - [1149] Hi just a little note to say that since RMR ive had a hell of a time playing. due to huge lag spikes and all sorts of wierd goings on. Things are FAR from being fixed.
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:29:00 - [1150] RMR Issues? Yes. It¦s unplayable. Content missing without an explanation, content changed without an explanation, and the lag from HELL. Currently it¦s taking me over twenty minutes to move across one system.

Scyrdein	Posted - 2005.12.21 20:42:00 - [1151] Always LAG in Jan... 5 min to dock undock etc. --- Hey! Return my eyelashes!
Crux Australis	Posted - 2005.12.21 21:13:00 - [1152] Originally by: BlackKnight COuld we please, please do something about this random disconenction problem? It makes it very difficult to play the game. Several other players in the local chan are having the same trouble. This is not an ISP issue. Thanks. Amen. It is driving me nuts
Rod Steel	Posted - 2005.12.21 21:28:00 - [1153] I don't have the disconnection problem, but I now get lag times lasting up to 15 minutes...it's getting to the point where I'm afraid to jump, because I seem to end up in limbo. I also have probs with the auto-pilot now...approaching a jump gate, and the ship will happily turn around on it's own and start heading in the opposite direction instead of jumping. Disabling the auto-pilot has no effect, until about 3 mins later, when it decides to try and jump again, even though I disabled it. How about less time counting how many peeps u can get online at once, more time getting the game back to a playable state for paying customers. Thanks.
Fru Berner	Posted - 2005.12.21 22:20:00 - [1154] Edited by: Fru Berner on 21/12/2005 22:22:29 Edited by: Fru Berner on 21/12/2005 22:21:57 I'll go on x-mas holliday. If the lag still is this bad after x-mas as it is now, I'll really consider to quit. This just dont work. And this account is not my main. ;-)
Crux Australis	Posted - 2005.12.21 22:28:00 - [1155] Probably this has been already written somewhere else, but 40 pages long threads don't really help, anyway: It looks like large agent/trade hub systems have an acceptable lag (or no lag at all) with a truckload of ppl inside them, while surrounding systems are b0rked to death. For instance, Isaziwa at the moment has 150 ppl and I have zero lag... If I go to any of the surrounding systems (i.e. Oiniken), they are lagged to hell and back (1+ mins to do anything), with a load of 20-30 players in them. If this has something to do with the nodes load/unload/whatever I dunno, but this, for me, is a game breaking issue (and not only for me I guess). Patience, ok, but this is the 6th night going down the drain and soon even us poor workers will have some days of holiday... I'd just like to be able to spend some time on my eve without getting nervous cuz I cannot do jack at all. Thanks and nice holidays to all.
Dax Bandar	Posted - 2005.12.21 22:34:00 - [1156] When viewing bpc's listed in escrow, it shows certain me and pe levels. When you go to show info on those same bpc's, the me and pe levels are at 0.
Sjoor	Posted - 2005.12.21 23:25:00 - [1157] Two bugs that really start to get annoying. -Buddylist is bugged, sometimes shows people offline that are online, sometimes not. It looks like buddylist mostly works correct when u are logged in already b4 ur buddy logs in. When u log in later than ur buddy it mostly (not always) shows him offline. - Agent location services are totally bugged, u start the coversation, type the name and get no reaction after that. Enjoy the game
Slaaght Bana	Posted - 2005.12.22 00:04:00 - [1158] A great plan for the future would be to completely seperate content and performance patches. Make performance patches in discrete steps, one at a time in daily downtime so it's easily back-outable. That way we won't get loads of sexy new content we want to play with and explore, but can't do anything useful ue to loads more being broken! Was really looking forward to playing lots of Eve next week when I'm off work. Where's Jim'll Fix it when you need it!
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2005.12.22 00:18:00 - [1159] FIX THE DAMN LAG BOYS But i know ya doing everything ya can so i won't give you a hard time over it
MWEI	Posted - 2005.12.22 01:48:00 - [1160] I dont know if this is new to RMR or was just made more visible with it. The tracking on Drones seem to be effected by their orbiting velocity: Drone lose their tracking when they are orbiting compared to while aproaching. An example would be medium drones can hit very easily when following an unwebed frigate than hitting one thats webed. Logic seems to suggest it should be easier for drones to hit a frigate if I help it by webbing it, but it seems for medium drones at least as soon as I web it they will stop hitting the target.

Bunny Jumper	Posted - 2005.12.22 06:33:00 - [1161] I have 2 machines. 1 machine is on dial up (GSM EDGE) has about 4-16 KBytes/sec the other has ADSL (1Mb/256Kb) I have been using my dialup machine for the past few days while away from my home. Will be back in about 12 hours to adsl for testing on my other machine but have been having an issue with eve since the latest hotpatch on the server. The problem only occurs when I run multiple accouts. I can run up to 4 instances of eve with no disconnection issues normally. I have run 4 accounts for up to 10 hours since patch with no disconnection with no disconnection if no combat. I do have a BSOD issue that crops up. If I am running 1 account no issue. Here is the problem. If I run missions on 1 account and I start combat once the agro timer starts BSOD. It has happened about 8 times now. Everytime I have more then 1 account running and go into battle fire, and the missiles hit the target the BSOD comes up and crashes my computer. The agression timer never shows on screen. I believe this issue is directly related to the changes. I am putting this up here in case others are seeing the same pattern. Bunny Jumper CO C.E.O. Celestial Horizon Corp.
Nye Sass	Posted - 2005.12.22 11:07:00 - [1162] Dont know if anyone else has noticed this? Pre patch, Angel Webbers and the like used to pounce on you the moment they locked you, travel at 1000k's+ and were buggers to shift. Did lvl 3 Angel Extravaganza last night and they just sat there, not webbing me, travelling at 49k's. So i shot 'em Just a small thing ive noticed. Jarred out
AzJunior	Posted - 2005.12.22 12:28:00 - [1163] Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.. but if you goto Science and Industry then to Blueprints it shows down the bottom how many Max Manufacturing + Research Jobs, I have both Advanced Mass production and Advanced Lab Ops lvl 3 and it is still showing that my max Manufacturing and Research Jobs are 6 but it should be 9? (Basic 6 and advanced 3)
Scyrdein	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:25:00 - [1164] Possible bug? I`ll explain... If I am killed by somebody I get a killright and the name of the killer exists under "Can Kill" tab. That works. If I`m in gang and my gangmate kills a player, I get a player name under "Can be killed". That means that the killed player may kill me too... BUT! If I kill somebody myself, I don`t get a player name under "Can be killed". Bug or dont? Dunno. --- Hey! Return my eyelashes!
Darahk J'olonar	Posted - 2005.12.22 15:52:00 - [1165] Frequent connection loss. Every 5-15 minutes I get a "Connection to server lost" and have to relog. I can log in just fine just not stay on. Everything I have tried or was suggested by tech support has not resolved the issue. The only thing to come out of it all is knowing that my connection and hardware is NOT the issue. At this point the game is unplayable as I cannot run missions, hunt rats or do anything with the corp.
killmc	Posted - 2005.12.22 17:34:00 - [1166] dont know if this been sayed or not but lets just role back this patch 90% of what you talkabout doing ant here lag 5X worse in ours and outer highway systems pos are buged still bonis dont show and fuel pos useing up 1% ver pre patch and what with only doing ship that supper ritch can buy come on 1b isk and up for all new bpo but for drone bpo i geting more lag in .3 and .2 system than pre patch and i just dont see any hope for ccp at this point they neft frones to stop lag gess what it 5x bader than pre patch so let just go backwards and re thank this
Wolfgang Yip	Posted - 2005.12.22 18:16:00 - [1167] Can't play EvE due to graphic deteration as soon as I open EvE. Using a ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Updated driver and still have serious problems seeing anything cuz of crazy colorful lines going through it.
Scyrdein	Posted - 2005.12.22 20:04:00 - [1168] Rightclick in main screen sometimes glitches and does not show a list of items in solar system.... --- Hey! Return my eyelashes!
Namia Civire	Posted - 2005.12.22 22:19:00 - [1169] The price for the Carrier skillbooks are too high. (mainly the CAPITALSHIPS book & the CARRIER book) *I mean, It's a reasonable price to fly a Mothership, but too expensive for Carriers, considering the "ship cost -vs- skillbook price ratio." Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong since I am not a producer of capital ships. --------------------- Space traveler (o^-^o)
Matuk Grymwal	Posted - 2005.12.23 01:43:00 - [1170] My issues: 1. As mentioned many times: where did my frames go? Previously 60-100 now around 20. Sometimes my frames are back to normal, usually not however. 2. Lost the little white arrows that indicate that you have something locked up in the overview.

Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.23 06:58:00 - [1171] Also getting the "Connection to Server Lost", randomly...and annoying... as having a tough time trying to do L4 missions... -G
Fusaiyuki	Posted - 2005.12.23 12:47:00 - [1172] Edited by: Fusaiyuki on 23/12/2005 12:47:19 Edited by: Fusaiyuki on 23/12/2005 12:47:07 1. If a chat window is minimised, or you're looking at a different tab, any messages posted go to the next line too early, and form a neat little column with l9oads of space wasted. 2. How about leaving the fonht as it is for most stuff, but being able to choose your font in chat? All you'd need is a few different ones to choose from, and selecting one would determine how you see others' messages. Fifteen blows to the back of your head // Fifteen blows to your mind
Dektakison	Posted - 2005.12.23 15:06:00 - [1173] Originally by: AzJunior Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet.. but if you goto Science and Industry then to Blueprints it shows down the bottom how many Max Manufacturing + Research Jobs, I have both Advanced Mass production and Advanced Lab Ops lvl 3 and it is still showing that my max Manufacturing and Research Jobs are 6 but it should be 9? (Basic 6 and advanced 3) I've noticed the same thing, but you can still do the amount of labs you are trained to do. It's just a display bug, is my guess.
Mordis	Posted - 2005.12.23 20:38:00 - [1174] I cant be arsed to read all 10+pages of this thread, so ill ask it here, Has anyone mentioned the T2 missle/ammo penaltys? IMHO there way to stiff, i mean wtf, -45% cap recharger per luancher(i think that is the right percentage, if not correct me) but still, even if its as low as 20% per launcher, thats still ahell of a gimp.
Natasha Rhodes	Posted - 2005.12.23 21:37:00 - [1175] Someone must have mentioned this, but WE NEED A CANCEL JOB button for the factories and research facilities. Ex: like can cancel 10minutes after instalation of the job... so on so on
vazel	Posted - 2005.12.24 00:39:00 - [1176] Edited by: vazel on 24/12/2005 00:42:22 i keep getting random disconnects or crashes. not sure which it is but when gaming sometimes fullscreen closes down and just goes back to login screen window.
The Wizz117	Posted - 2005.12.24 11:29:00 - [1177] i lost all my implants becouse of some bug in jump clone. the petition dudes just won't reimbourse my 450 mil i lost becouse they dont know how jump clones work eather.
Numentar	Posted - 2005.12.24 12:52:00 - [1178] My issues right now are: 1. When I launch EVE I start getting very short network disconnections. Happens even if i'm not logged in. A notification is displayed in systray saying "network cable unplugged". If I close EVE everything is back to normal i.e no disconnects. Also, maybe because of this I'm being kicked out of the game every 10 minutes or so. The game becomes unresponsive and when i do something that most probably needs to connect to the server (e.g check the marke), i'm back on the desktop. 2. Since the last time I was thrown out I cannot enter the game anymore. I can log in, but there are no characters in the character selection screen. :(
ToLate	Posted - 2005.12.24 15:19:00 - [1179] Numentar your problem is local not with EVE.
Watson	Posted - 2005.12.24 15:33:00 - [1180] random disconnection problem really is bad for me... getting damned annoying.

Numentar	Posted - 2005.12.24 15:51:00 - [1181] Originally by: ToLate Numentar your problem is local not with EVE. Local? Eve works -> net connection disrupted. Eve not working -> no net connection problems. I see a strong correlation between Eve and connection problems.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2005.12.24 20:55:00 - [1182] Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 24/12/2005 20:56:12 Typoon/domi were hit very hard by the drone nerf. But nothing was done with their fitting to compensate or bring them inline with other tier 2 bs. Hybrid Rail turrets still need alot of attention to their tracking and damage output vs Rats to put them back into balance and into the running again. Utility drone implementation is very poor as they use the combat drone logic/commands, with several unsavory side effects. One being the inability to use them on your own ship. The drone interface on the UI dissappears and doesn't reappear unless the player knows how to manually open his drone bay in space and launch from there. Massive memory leakage in the client, causing hardlocks and a enourmous performance hit. Asteroid belts that have the vast majority of their roids off grid and so far out of the belt and away from the belt marker the player isn't able to find them. (feythabolis and some other areas) Had Valar out for this one though I don't think he grasped the nature of the problem. DBA plz can you do a belt/system cleanup and put things back where they should be. :)
Ron Lygera	Posted - 2005.12.25 19:51:00 - [1183] Just one issue, aside from some lag-problems: I frequently run 2 clients on my machine. (main and alt-charater) This worked without any problems prior to patch. But now, the PC locks up after about an hour or so of playing. This does not happen when only using one client.
Crux Australis	Posted - 2005.12.25 21:42:00 - [1184] "Connection to server lost" is back and looks to be somehow related to my location in the eve universe. I am sad so I even made a thread about it and I will advertise for it here -> Clickeh
Verizana	Posted - 2005.12.26 02:00:00 - [1185] rabble rabble!!! Pinja Pineapple!
Reto	Posted - 2005.12.26 03:14:00 - [1186] ok i dont know if this is supposed to be so but : after exiting the station the drone control panel isnt shown for a period of 2,5 to 4 minutes...sometimes it wont show it completely. (this messes up every defence against ceptors camping the station...plz take a look on this one)
Rudolf Miller	Posted - 2005.12.26 07:04:00 - [1187] Graphics problems ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, Catalyst 5.13 and up to date DirectX on XP Pro SP2. Black flickering pixels. Strange vector type graphics artifacts. VPU crashes. Games crashes. Machine crashes. Everything was fine before RMR patch.
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.12.26 08:21:00 - [1188] Ive posted here before that i had problems with stuttering when i activated a webifier (which always used to be just fine before) ..now i seem to have performance issues in almost every system i fly through.. Even oursulaert at the busiest gate wouldnt really slow my comp down before the rmr patch...however now it does even if there are only a few ships (in other systems) near a gate. So do some re-coding guys ..i know you're trying hard and i hate to whine on the second day of Christmas but i do wish to enjoy the game as i always have so far ..but now its really no fun anymore which is a pity cause its just a memory leak in the client as far as i can tell.
tiller	Posted - 2005.12.26 09:28:00 - [1189] I'm aligned to a warp out point, scrambler on some aggro'd target. If they warp out 50% of the time my ship turns 90 degrees the other direction... this means I have to re-align. A REALLY dangerous bug when your fighting at a gate.
Kamelaa	Posted - 2005.12.26 10:14:00 - [1190] Eheh tiller, you are afraid whith yur 5 WCS on your raven? :) CCP, Agent of localisation are still buged. Heavy LAG. Increase the grid of the plate !!! there is always cruiser whith 1600 plate ! the malus is not too big.

Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.12.27 00:00:00 - [1191] I already wrote one post here, but after some more testing (back from vacation): 1. obviously font. I have several problems: - decimal point not visible in many numbers - my cargohold capacity shows something like M<garbled>, don't know what the last char should be:-) - D, O, 0 very hard to distinguish (almost impossible) my settings: 1280*1024, wide font, 17"LCD (I tried all the font settings, each has its problems). 2. I see a dotted blue line comming from every ship that is jumping through a gate, looks weird. 3. I have my icon bar set to autohide. when any icon blinks, it is unhiden. there is no option (at least I did not find any) to disable blinking on most of the icons (wallet has this option). 4. the UI does not remember windows anymore (some at least). I used to have these windows open everytime: log, chat, items, when in station. when I now log in, the log window is always closed and I have to open it manualy. probably was already mentioned before more than once, but I don;t have much time reading through 41 pages :-) ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well ...
Brannor McThife	Posted - 2005.12.27 04:22:00 - [1192] Did a Duo of Death (Level 4) last night (first time post RMR) and found this: Spider Drone II's jam now at +- 25km... and like to sit far away and eventually close at around 200 m/s (didn't check exactly) - they no longer zoom in at 50,000,000 m/s to webify you - is this intended? The one Dread Pithi Extinguisher that did drop a can (excluding the mission can) dropped 100 Iridium (s) rounds; a Small Knave I Energy Drain; and a 150mm Carbide Railgun - I though BS loot was fixed? -G
Megadon	Posted - 2005.12.27 06:56:00 - [1193] 'RIGHT CLICK' Is borked, either it locks up, lags for approximately 90 secs, does nothing or works very slowly. STATION CONTAINERS Managing the contents of station containers now produces EXTREME lag and basically cripples the game.
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.12.27 09:05:00 - [1194] Fatal error: Call to undefined function: print_charset() in /cgi-bin/eve_online.cfg/scripts/enduser/acct_new_mb.php on line 21 I get this when trying to file an "other" petition in game
Kroma BaSyl	Posted - 2005.12.27 17:18:00 - [1195] Not sure if this was mentioned yet, so I will post it. In space the triangle icon nolonger appears to show you the direction/location of asteroid belts within scan range, even if you have them on overview (which was never necessary anyway). This makes it very difficult to narrow scans down to locate targets as you have no indication which way to point. Kroma BaSyl CEO - Snickers Inc Don't hate me because I am beautiful!
Zirator	Posted - 2005.12.27 22:36:00 - [1196] It might have been said before but when I'm in a deadspace complex and switch to windows desktop by alt tabbing my game crashes very often when I return to the game. Note this only happens when my ship is in deadspace complexes. This didn't happen pre RMR.
Hansumdan	Posted - 2005.12.28 01:00:00 - [1197] 1 word . . . . .SLOOOOOOOOOOOW, dunno why, don care, but it took me 30 mins to kit out my bship because every click takes awhile. From market to hangar to fittings. Mission bounties suck aswell. Toodles. El-Dan
Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.12.28 01:11:00 - [1198] also no carrier bpo¦s on sale in caldari space now
Ohnaka	Posted - 2005.12.28 09:43:00 - [1199] Dunno if this has been mentioned before. When i but t2 ammo on the market nothing happens. I see some adv. ammo on the market, but not mine. plz fix this as its pretty irritating. ohnaka
sonofollo	Posted - 2005.12.28 11:40:00 - [1200] with the t2 ammo u will find that medium and small havent been seeded into the game as of yet as for the rest well those with BPOS are holding back supply or high sec. ATM its only the large stuff that is dropping. All i can suggest is tryto find reasonable priced factional drops as a substitute Im a happy little camper now - CCP 4tw.

Earthan	Posted - 2005.12.28 12:07:00 - [1201] Shadow serpentis spawns seems to drop very rarely shadow modules( from 3 spawns i encountered in rmr got only once 1000 units of shadow large ammo) Dont know if its bug or design.... ***************************** Out here on the perimeter there are no stars Out here we is stoned-immaculate.
Heavenly Explorer	Posted - 2005.12.28 13:36:00 - [1202] Edited by: Heavenly Explorer on 28/12/2005 13:41:34 1) Memory leak - easily the biggest issue - and made many times worse in systems with large ammounts of players - ie memory leak/lock-ups lasting 1 to 5 minutes (on my computer with 512mb RAM) every 1 or 2 minutes flying around in Jita with 300 people in system 2) Drone control on OV doesnt load after undocking sometimes 3) Font - some numbers with decimals you cannot even see the dot. For example im not really warping 1225 AU right now am I? 4) Wasps tracking and alleged bugs with EW drones 5) 'Lockdown' mission npc frigates are bugged and do not engage correctly. For example Angel Webbifier 60+ km away aggro's me and flys towards me at 50m/s 6) Friends list does not show online friends as green if they're logged in when you log in 7) What is going on with starbase rights? I hear alot of people are having issues with them. 8) New 'hard' missions such as lvl3 tech secrets could use a warning in their mission discription stating that this mission is no easy task. This would reduce the ammount of whining at the forum about how hard they are to solo. 9) Corp standing issue 10) Turning off all effects still shows effects such as missile explosions - though this isnt really an RMR issue 11) Numerous bugs with chat windows, chat text. 12) In addition to #11, sometimes chat stops updating all together. What are you surposed to do when your busy on a corp op and gang chat and corp chat stop working? 13) Is the gallente cosmos still in development? about 1/3rd of the systems are empty and the entire constellation has far less agents in total than any other races COSMOS 14) Should it take 30-45 seconds to load 'stars' settings in map? 15) CTRL+Left click doesnt stop targetting like it apparently should 16) 'Never generate picture' generates pictures if you show info. Half the time it will auto-update and include a small thumbnail in chat windows, the other half the time it will not. 17) Why does the Vexor, a combat ship, get a drone mining yield bonus, yet the dominix, also a combat ship, not have the mining yield bonus? 18) Dampener stacking is bugged or changed for good? I hope its just bugged 19) CTRL+TAB doesnt cycle and doesnt go away when buttons are released like it used to 20) Jumping can cause the text in the autopilot and location information areas (top left of the screen) to go infront of chat windows 21) Drones return to bay and stop at about 1.5 to 1.7km range and just sit there no matter what command you give them, you have to fly towards them and then they'll get picked up 22) Jumping / New system loading times can be as long as a minute for me in empire - maybe related to #1 23) Corpmail and personal mail messages get mixed together and the entire window sometimes locks up if you attempt to cycle between the two tabs (personal/corp) too quickly or if they're still loading 24) Copy text doesnt work if you have portraits in chat - only works if your in plain text chat mode. If you have portraits on, right click -> copy all / copy selected doesnt do anything 25) Industrial people are crying for a eject / cancel option for their jobs 26) Was the hull resistance bonus's of damage controls scrapped at the last minute? They were on sisi for a few months but not included in TQ patch? 27) Whatever happened to those stealth modules to reduce your ships signature radius? Scrapped from TQ version as well? 28) In pureblind there are more Dire Guristas than normal Guristas, is this surposed to be the case? 29) Ingame browser, does anyone use it? It takes me 348 seconds (yes, i just timed it) to open a 733KB .png screenshot with the IGB, and a whopping 11 seconds with Internet Explorer 30) I occationally get (lag related?) bugs, such as '(afterburner name) is already speedBoost', simmilar errors for armor rep, armor hardeners, and presumably every other module that can be activated
Heavenly Explorer	Posted - 2005.12.28 13:36:00 - [1203] Edited by: Heavenly Explorer on 28/12/2005 13:43:15 31) Various things have not been seeded onto market that were promised with RMR 32) So you just got 450 stacked and repackaged items you want to reprocess? Right click and go see a movie and when you get home it might have loaded the right click menu 33) Most people i knew who used to be able to run two clients on the same computer now cannot, as they have various graphics problems and crashes. I too find this to be true, my alt will not load any celestial textures and the game runs at less than 1 fps 34) Asteriod triangles do not show even though asteriod belts are on OV 35) (pre-rmr bug too) - Insurance expirations are only mailed when you insure a ship 36) Medium reactors cannot be anchored in 0.3 systems, bug or stealth nerf? 37) Faction ship bpc's apparently were to only drop in final stages of deadspace complexes however this is not the case 38) Ship maintainance arrays should allow you to online modules without needing 95% cap however this wasnt implemented 39) If i have a hostile ship warp disrupted (twice - two modules), target painted, quad heavy nos'd, and have 5 heavy drones on them and then they die to someone elses final blow, I dont recieve killmail, yet i would've thought i had something to do with the killing 40) It is an issue that this is the 40th issue Ok that's enough for now :) Time to head back to the real world.
AdriaLima	Posted - 2005.12.28 19:55:00 - [1204] Lol heavenly explorer Nice list of problems though ..i have most of those issues aswell specially the first one. Anyways nicely summed up.
Treborc	Posted - 2005.12.29 02:21:00 - [1205] Edited by: Treborc on 29/12/2005 02:21:34 Extra point 41) Unable to setup Clone Jumping in Empire due to Corp standing bug as detailed above. Treborc CEO Hellhound Industries. HQ Hilaban System Tash-Murkon Region Miners, Refiners, Traders and Builders to the masses.
iqplayer	Posted - 2005.12.29 06:41:00 - [1206] Mobile Laboratories! My guess is that the capacity that they were supposed to have (100m3) did not get put on them. IE, they have no hangar. What this means, is that you cannot do research on a BPO that you have located at a POS. You can only do research at a BPO that is located at an Outpost. Now, I realize that it's nice to be able to do research on a BPO that is located at an outpost, so it's not at risk, but I certainly should be able to do research on said BPO if it's at the same POS with the mobile lab. Otherwise, for me, I have to have research networking trained to 5 to use this at all....... Please add a small hangar to the mobile lab so that it can be used on BPO's at the POS. Thanks!
j0rz	Posted - 2005.12.29 14:51:00 - [1207] Buddie list no longer works When u log on everyone has a red box on there name and it's impossible to tell who is online on ur buddie list, only once uve logged on do people appear green who log on after you. Can we have this fixed please kthx love u kthx bye
MERLIN 3000	Posted - 2005.12.30 03:38:00 - [1208] Edited by: MERLIN 3000 on 30/12/2005 03:40:09 Edited by: MERLIN 3000 on 30/12/2005 03:39:27 ok here i go..... same issue buddies not showing online when they are. game chats not updating, plus local taking 5 - 6 sconds to update bookmarks are not copying or when they do are taking half hour to an hour to copy being kicked off game in the same systems when you jump. been reported for last two months but still doing the same did i mention the bookmarks :-) freighters not being able to dock at a pos is just stupid. the mineral requirements to build capital ships is so much that you must alow this font is fine for me just woul like to see the decimal point better, maybe make this a different color or something. general in game lag. lag. and more lag. thought this was ment to get better with your great idea of factorys and research system? right clicking on alot of items takes forever ie to unlock 300 items in a station container may i suggest that you solve your problems in game b4 doing any new patches. you still have not fixed things from patch b4 last. oh and WHY CANT I COPY MY M8'S BOOKMARKS FOR OUR WARS?
MERLIN 3000	Posted - 2005.12.30 03:42:00 - [1209] oh and also.... WHY CAN I NOT MAKE BOOKMARK COPIES FOR MY CORP M8'S ?
Henri Trader	Posted - 2005.12.30 08:34:00 - [1210] Just noticed as I was testing the new ice harvester upgrade module, that instead of decreaseing the cycle time, it currently increases the cycle time I'm sure this was unintended and someone forgot to place a - somewhere..... Looking forward to a quick fix! btw allready filed a bugreport

Cerwyn Taraman	Posted - 2005.12.30 17:26:00 - [1211] Adding my own annoying issue to the list. The science and industry screen will about 50% of the time now for me pop up a blank window to the upper left that says "Science and industry - under construction" and then the actual content of the window is in the lower right, w/ transparent background. I have to choose the assembly line, then find the "use assembly line" button stuck on top of station hangar contents (b/c of the transparency). Same problem occurs on the "accept quote" screen. It didn't start doing this until a few days after RMR came out, initially it worked fine, so not sure what the deal is. Anyone else seeing this behavior or is it graphical? Running a Geforce 6800 Ultra PCI-X. CT
Bex Beere	Posted - 2005.12.30 19:34:00 - [1212] Originally by: Cerwyn Taraman Adding my own annoying issue to the list. The science and industry screen will about 50% of the time now for me pop up a blank window to the upper left that says "Science and industry - under construction" and then the actual content of the window is in the lower right, w/ transparent background. I have to choose the assembly line, then find the "use assembly line" button stuck on top of station hangar contents (b/c of the transparency). Same problem occurs on the "accept quote" screen. It didn't start doing this until a few days after RMR came out, initially it worked fine, so not sure what the deal is. Anyone else seeing this behavior or is it graphical? EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Bex Beere	Posted - 2005.12.30 19:34:00 - [1213] Originally by: Cerwyn Taraman Adding my own annoying issue to the list. The science and industry screen will about 50% of the time now for me pop up a blank window to the upper left that says "Science and industry - under construction" and then the actual content of the window is in the lower right, w/ transparent background. I have to choose the assembly line, then find the "use assembly line" button stuck on top of station hangar contents (b/c of the transparency). Same problem occurs on the "accept quote" screen. It didn't start doing this until a few days after RMR came out, initially it worked fine, so not sure what the deal is. Anyone else seeing this behavior or is it graphical? Running a Geforce 6800 Ultra PCI-X. CT Try this : Press escape - select the reset settings tab on the config screen - click reset to default window positions may not work for you but it fixed this problem for myself and several others. Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
Saul Thrace	Posted - 2005.12.31 02:24:00 - [1214] Unfortunately I have one more new rmr issues to add the list: - My map regularly fails to appear, requiring a restart to 'unstuck' it. That is, I press the 'map' button, and all that shows is the 'display settings' menu. I try resetting the panels to their default location, but nothing happens. I try to close and reopen the map, nothing happens. I have to restart the client for it to work again. -- Saul Thrace
Driven	Posted - 2005.12.31 06:27:00 - [1215] BUG REPORT I tried putting my Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor into the factory and got this message: "The activity is supported, but the end product type is not supported for this activity." I cannot put it into the factory and don't have a clue what this means. I presume this is a bug.
Allen Miles	Posted - 2005.12.31 15:59:00 - [1216] Before RMR I have had no "Connection to Server Lost". After RMR, I get it ever 5-10 min. I have opened up ports and stuff and still get this every 5-10 min. It has been happening for awhile now after the RMR patch. I doubt it my connection. Friend plays EQ2 on the same line and has no connection issues to their servers. And also doesn't seem to be my connection because this never happened before RMR AND this is a consistent server lost (every 5-10 min). Join The Miles Corporation. Anyone Is Welcome.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.01.01 04:27:00 - [1217] RMR problem: Too many macro miners out there. Seem to be in every single system 0.5 and up. CCP, get off your can and start up the Bannage. These abusers of your creation are not difficult to find. In fact, they are so easy they are slapping you in the face. Hard. Repeatedly. And yet nothing is done.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.01.02 13:19:00 - [1218] Jump clone is bugged, when jumping back to jump clone with implants, all implants disappear.
Tiki Rar	Posted - 2006.01.02 16:20:00 - [1219] All Interdictors do not show a value of there size when packaged and only display a size fro being unpacked all the time, thus a normal packed t1 destroyer would take 5,000m3 which would fit into a hauler you are unable to fit a packed Interdictor into a hauler as it says you need 47,000m3 (using example of a Heretic). "47000.0 cargo units would be required to complete this operation. Destination container only has 5407.0056 units available." http://1nsane.sourceblog.net/stuff/eve/heretic.jpg _________________________ Father of the Bumpageddon™
Embattle	Posted - 2006.01.03 17:10:00 - [1220] The Command ships suffer the same problem of not being smaller when repackaged. ----------- Destroyed: Raven Navy Issue

Bex Beere	Posted - 2006.01.03 18:49:00 - [1221] Hulks aren't fun to transport at 250000m3 either. Also the 11.5M ISK insurance payout is just a joke. Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
Messerschmitt facility	Posted - 2006.01.03 19:57:00 - [1222] There is no remote destroy jump clone when you use your charactersheet, jump clone section. You have the option only if you are in the same station. You REALY need the destroy option for all other jump clones that are not in the same station as you at the time _________________________________ A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking...
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2006.01.04 02:23:00 - [1223] Dont have time to read 42 pages and this is probably already reported but. When entering new system the local chat jumps around back to the last time someone typed something in local. This at times maybe 10 systems back. Second thing Even when in .0 low populated system my local populus is not being populated with who is in local until after I uncloak.
Alaris	Posted - 2006.01.04 06:37:00 - [1224] Originally by: Bex Beere Hulks aren't fun to transport at 250000m3 either. Also the 11.5M ISK insurance payout is just a joke. I agree with the transport size, thats gotta be a repackage bug. But the insurance is normal for every T2 item, prices for the parts are so out of wack from what CCP is basing it off its not funny.
Bex Beere	Posted - 2006.01.04 08:33:00 - [1225] Originally by: Alaris Originally by: Bex Beere Hulks aren't fun to transport at 250000m3 either. Also the 11.5M ISK insurance payout is just a joke. I agree with the transport size, thats gotta be a repackage bug. But the insurance is normal for every T2 item, prices for the parts are so out of wack from what CCP is basing it off its not funny. I know T2 insurance is a joke but I'm fairly sure this is less than the payout on a Covetor which the Hulk is modified version of. Bex Beere Director Ominous Corp
Jeret McKain	Posted - 2006.01.04 14:15:00 - [1226] 1. Prior to the july patch I did not have to reset my zoom on every dock/undock and gate jump. This has STILL not been fixed. 2. 45 days or so prior to rmr launch I began to drop a lot during missions. Launching drones seems to be the trigger as it happens 9 times out of 10 on drone launch. This has still not been addressed. I previously filed a petition on it and was brushed off. 3. Memory leak crash issues. I have read that noone has found a fix for this and I have also read that ccp cannot reproduce it. I have a question - are you testing on only one platform type or multiple platforms? e.g. - pentium with both nvidia and ati cards and amd with the diff. cards. I may have a temporary work around - a static page file. I have yet to try this. 4. On log in sometimes my entire UI is missing. Sometimes just parts of it. Most common is the left side UI buttons and the bottom portion of the overview. 5. Sometimes targets lock but do not show up on the screen (at the top) as a locked target. Rebooting fixes. 6. Targets locked during combat "unlock". I have been told this is an added feature. Joke? Several locked targets that had not been fired on broke lock at the same time as a structure. Structures have jammers now? Let's have some news on the opening page about whether CCP is acknowledging any of these issues and which ones are being addresses so we as players know what to do as far as seeking addition third party support. Thank you.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:00:00 - [1227] Edited by: Shin Ra on 04/01/2006 15:02:29 1) Dampners stack with sensor boosters = bad 2) same with tracking disruptors 3) There is no longer a gate animation when someone jumps into the system you are in. 4) The map is too bright. Empire is just one big yellow blob. Change it back 5) The font sucks. D and 0 and O are almost impossible to tell apart. That concludes the list of problems I have.
Umbriele	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:53:00 - [1228] 1) cant anchor reactors in 0.3 anymore 2) memory leak bug: eve use up to 1 GB on my machine
Malus Drake	Posted - 2006.01.05 01:12:00 - [1229] not sure if this has been mentioned but flycatchers (and perhaps all new t2 ships) do not have a repackaging size. I just tried to put my flycatcher into my hold an said it couldn't hold 52000m worth of space. if i can fit a cruiser in my cargo i should be able to fit this other than that, for myself, keep up the good work
Archa	Posted - 2006.01.05 10:12:00 - [1230] When you destroy the container from a gang member you get globally flagged. It is in my oppinion a bug, as you can use a tractor beam on that container and you can empty it by dragging the content to your cargo. However, you can't destroy the container with your weapons because that gets your flagged. Bug:)

Zar Dim	Posted - 2006.01.05 10:50:00 - [1231] Easy to fix bug, Guristas is missing from Caldari's dislike tab. Hence whenever you rise your standing with Caldari your standing with Guristas doesn't drop.
Jeret McKain	Posted - 2006.01.05 15:59:00 - [1232] * forgot earlier - a lot of stations and gates are not showing up on my overview. seems to be random.
Tricky Trixy	Posted - 2006.01.05 16:53:00 - [1233] Just 4 things that i can think of at the mo which are driving me mad: 1. When i have put people in my address book and then log off and on again they are for ever more shown red even if they are on. Bloody annoying when you need to know who's on. 2. The text is horrible, the decimals disapear making me think things cost more etc. Also when are CCP going to make the text BIGGER!!! For 2 years its been far to small even if u put the large text on in chat. It needs to be bigger on the chat window, item descrptions etc. Or just give us an option in the esc menu!!! 3. When i arrange the items by type in my hanger all the images gets mixed up, for instance i may have a frig bpo image and if i arrange by type it it suddenly becomes a warp scrambler image but with the bpo info most annoying bug. 4. Whatever you have done to the Map undo it ASAP. When i look at pilots destroyed in the last half hour all i see is a huge blob for empire that blocks out all the surrounding systems, i have to zoom in mighty close to see anything. Well can't think of anything else at the mo. ----- Trixy says "Keep ur friends close but ur enemies even closer" -----
Kraven Kor	Posted - 2006.01.05 17:25:00 - [1234] My issues: Synchronization Issues: My UI shows my Cap as about 80% full. I try to activate a module. It says I don't have enough cap. Or, UI shows 98% when I mouse-over the cap display, and then I try to online a module, it says "Cap is at 75%" --- ugh. Other examples are things like target readout at the top (where each target has an icon and shield/armor/hull display) shows 9,500m but Overview is not updating, instead stuck on whatever range it read when I warped in. I can "collapse" the overview and re-expand it and it will update that one time, but it does not automatically nor continuosly update during game play / combat. I have also experienced a number of the issues listed in this thread so I will not repeat them here.
Vala Draaken	Posted - 2006.01.05 17:29:00 - [1235] Edited by: Vala Draaken on 05/01/2006 17:32:45 If you accidentally select the Dock option on a station, you don't want to go to, it is impossible to stop it from warping to that station and requesting docking permission. No matter how many times you abort the warp, it just keeps initiating warp to the station again and again. It may be possible to abort by being really fast and selecting another place to warp to, in the time between abort and next warp being initiated, but so far I haven't succeeded in doing that. Edit: Spelling and clarification


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