Oh. and they all still SUCK outside of bastion. get your **** together.

Outside of bastion the kronos warps faster, gets more range and a better tank than its t1 counterpart as well as having that mjd bonus. It is an interesting option for fleet work.

Luckily even Ytterbium would disagree with that argument: :)



I am banking on him finally realising that it is a bit unbalanced that all marauders have practically the same DPS and speed with MWD - but some of them have to move closer to apply that damage.

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THAT.. If the vargur has a much inferiro damage projection (example0) it needs to keep its superior speed.

This whole speed nerf makes less sense to me the more I think about it.

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I would love to hear someone from CCP make sense of this.

Yes, it's better than a T1 mega at almost 10 times the price unless the enemy has a Griffin. Or you fly a 7 low 3 mid Kronos(Mandatory mid for ECCM to get it on par with normal t1 ships)

It's also A LOT slower than the Mega.

It's ass. and at 40km it deals less damage than it does on live.

Oh. and it's stationary if you want to use this bastion stuff. which will be so stacking nerfed on ALL the Marauders they might aswell just take away the bonus.

Good job. (Sarcasm)

Cost is never factored into game balance.

It also will not be needing ECCM for fleet work and at 40km it will be doing more damage thanks to its longer range than on TQ. It is not getting any nerf at all to its guns firepower.

When in bastion the kronos will project blasters all the way out to 90-100km.

It's losing a sentry drone.

And noone will fly these in any sorts of pvp fleets.

Esp not "sniping fleets"

And no, it won't be doing more damage at 40km.

Go be bad elsewhere.

And? In most fleets I never get to launch drones anyway.



I sure will be for mega fleets and most likely for cruiser and perhaps even frig fleets.


Rail fit mega fleets it will be better.



Blaster fit it will be doing a lot more damage at 40km.

Before calling other people bad you should probably test these ships before commenting on them because you clearly haven't

So with blasters which will be **** at 40km with the crappy ass stacking penalties it will do more damage?

HOLY **** THAT IS AMAZINGLY GOOD!

They will not do tracking on pali because it will become basically better nightmare.

Just on a sidenote : The new deployable "Mobile Depot" structure

If they can be deployed very fast, wont that mean that it will make our Marauders a lot more flexible? We have very large cargo holds to start, so we can carry full refits, we are going to anchor next to it anyway, meaning we can switch from say Cruise to RHML's to clean up, etc etc

I mean, I can see myself putting a bunch of tractors and salvagers in the hold, together with a deployable tractor module, put that out right away to start pulling, then when everything is dead refit to "full Noctis" to do a fast cleanup.

If that Depot also allows to refit Drones, I mean, we can carry a TON of spare drones as well.

Am I missing something? Cause it sounds pretty cool.

Just on a sidenote : The new deployable "Mobile Depot" structure

If that Depot also allows to refit Drones, I mean, we can carry a TON of spare drones as well.

Am I missing something? Cause it sounds pretty cool.

When do we get T-2 bastion module ?

As we have T-2 Siege and T-2 Triage modules it would be fair to get T-2 Bastion module as well.

The mobile depo, as i have tested it, invalidates 90% of all the whiners in this thread.

gf ccp.

I would love to take your word for that, but you posted earlier in this thread such terrible mission completion times (with which you seemed to be content with), that objectively your assessment of the situation isn't worth much.

still "torp golem" or "slow vargur" things??? drop it, enough.. it is NOT a specific fitting rebalance, it is fckn broken marauder(T2) class rebalance.. and after all, they are now having better hull and bonuses.. and plus a bastion module for only marauders, it is all up to you "use or not"..

Oh really? Strange, I can't seem to remember you posting completion times with isk made. I must have missed it, mind linking it to me? I'm sure we can compare income and completion times and come to an agreement.

Also if you don't mind please share your experiences with the mobile depo while we're at it. I've found some interesting uses for it and am curious to see what a more experienced player has made of it.

10% bonus to large Hybrid Turret Falloff per level (instead of 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level)

Its 10% better outside of bastion per level. That is a big buff to the range of blasters and their damage projection.


90-100km blasters is crap now?

I am sorry, but when

1. some ships can take full advantage of bastion mode and some can't
2. some ships are affected by the speed nerf and some aren't
3. some ships get actual boosts that matter while others don't

then there something has to be wrong.

See, it's not 'just "torp golem" or "slow vargur" things'. The issues go way deeper than that. You can't redesign a ship class around a concept that only benefits one (maybe 2).

So, not usre if this has been asked already or if anyone can answer this, but does the 70% MJD reactivation reduction stack with the MJD skill bonus? I mean, being able to jump around every few seconds seems like it might be a bit broken.

That being said, Arty Vargur sniper fleets might become a thing.

I am sorry, but when

1. some ships can take full advantage of bastion mode and some can't
2. some ships are affected by the speed nerf and some aren't
3. some ships get actual boosts that matter while others don't

then there something has to be wrong.

See, it's not 'just "torp golem" or "slow vargur" things'. The issues go way deeper than that. You can't redesign a ship class around a concept that only benefits one (maybe 2).

So one second people are complaining about how CCP is homogenizing ships and the next moment they are complaining about how different they are.

Can we get some kind of consensus here about which sky it is exactly that is falling?

My mission completion times for the missions I do from your list (Gone Berserk, AE, Worlds Collide (Angel)) are HALF of your posted times on TQ(seriously). In high sec my LP rewards are 18-36% higher than yours. I don't record loot&salvage, as I feel it is a waste of time. I would rather just do more missions instead.

Anyone can tell you, that your times are not good (to put it mildly). Therefore you telling us that everything will be fine, has to be taken with a grain of salt. Sorry.

Nonetheless I appreciate the time you put into recording all that data. It was quite helpful, just not the way you imagined it would be. (Now I know for sure that immobile Vargurs are terrible.)

I mostly think that they would be way to situational to have any significant impact. Using them is more bothersome than refitting in stations, so (EDIT) refitting at stations between missions would be preferred. Sure, in some missions it may make sense to drop let's say a TC for an MJD for a room, and then swap it back, but I am not sure it is really worth the hassle. Most missions are just too short for that.

Also I want to point 3 things out:

1. Any ship will be able to use the new structures. Meaning the Mach will get significantly better, while the Vargur will stay roughly the same.
2. Some marauders get much more out of the marauder changes than others.
EDIT: 3. You can't use mobile depots while MWDing. Stationary ships get more out of them. Am I the only one who sees a pattern here?