I'm still not sure why people see the need for this. What is it that you are trying to accomplish keeping the goals of the design in mind?

I think people are counting on the space yurt to move drones from cargo to drone bay, which is a bit forward since we don't know the stats of it yet.

Really nice ships, but will we get some more highsec SoE agents too?

There aren't many of those, especially the security ones, only one for lvl 3 and 4 missions.

Otherwise it will take very long for most people to actually get these ships.

ever heard of concord LP?

I really wish ccp would put more thought into this kind of thing. This game doesnt need this kind of ship. Of course all eceryonr does is scream "new and shiny yay!" **** repercussions right?

Which is why everyone flies Amarr ships these days. Oh wait...

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Honestly, unless the Statios gets a reasonable laser bonus it will be fit with blasters/autos.

i rather love the look of the ship its self and its stats from what im seeing but i do think 1 thing is rather out of place.

and thats the drone bandwidth of 125. don't get me wrong i like it but a T1 (albeit a faction) fielding 5 heavies? seems a bit over powered to me.

Vexor Navy can do the same.

I really wish ccp would put more thought into this kind of thing. This game doesnt need this kind of ship. Of course all eceryonr does is scream "new and shiny yay!" **** repercussions right?

Bla bla bla bla

As can the Gila

What are these repercussions you foresee? How are the ships in concept a detriment to the game.

Can't be nearly as damaging at ABCs were.

Well now whose spamming this thread?

And no one's even talking about shield gank fits anymore, look at what this armor laser fit can do. And that's using the ships bonuses exactly as they were meant to be used.

800+ dps at 20km, dual prop, full tackle, tracking disruptor, 40k ehp, and 500m3 drone bay. Oh and a covops cloak. It only does EVERYTHING.


When a COVOPS ship (which dictates everything about its engagement) is compared to the Gila and the Vexor Navy Issue, you know something is out of whack.

Well now whose spamming this thread?

And no one's even talking about shield gank fits anymore, look at what this armor laser fit can do. And that's using the ships bonuses exactly as they were meant to be used.

800+ dps at 20km, dual prop, full tackle, tracking disruptor, 40k ehp, and 500m3 drone bay. Oh and a covops cloak. It only does EVERYTHING.


When a COVOPS ship (which dictates everything about its engagement) is compared to the Gila and the Vexor Navy Issue, you know something is out of whack.

Hi, armor resist bonus seems to be off, based on the stated purpose of the ships. I perceive resist bonuses as fleet-focused ones, and as such not very useful for guerrilla warfare/individual operations. More in line with the concept seems to be [for me at least ;)] armor HP bonus. That means - yes, it helps you to survive the fight, but forces you to fall back to slowly lick your wounds, instead of proud tanking of enemy fire. Too lazy to do the math so no other fitting feedback from me :)

These make covert ops scanning ships obsolete for one. Right now you have to put some thought into what you want use to go exploring in null, low, or day tripping in whs in.
Once these are released its "all exploration should be done in a soe cruiser for max results"

Why would I take another ship over one of these for exploration ever? Its just like when they released ABCs, now they struggle to find roles for things like HACs. These are cool and all, but I just think why do we need them? The whole point of this massive ship re-balancing they're doing is to make unused ships useful. Releasing a ship that makes tons of others pointless right after balancing just seems to me like they're trying to throw the dog a bone to shut it up without thinking about the consequences.

800 DPS at 20km? Yeah. With Ogres.

By the time your Ogres reach the target, you will be dead. Those lasers do virtually no damage. If your target has the slightest ability to move, or even kite, you will be dead easily. The AAR fit outputs a pathetic 350 DPS tank at the maximum.

Have fun with that tracking, by the way.

Again, EFT DPS IS NOT ACTUAL, EFFECTIVE DPS.

There's nothing wrong with the drone bay for the purpose this ship was made. Quite a few T1 cruisers could make short work of this thing (Stabber comes to mind).

When you drop down to Hammerheads it only gets about ~460 DPS - which is actually reasonable.

Some people here don't want this ship to have ANY combat capabilities - that's weird, because this ship's intended role IS combat exploration.

And when you see the price of this in the market being ~500M ISK+, without fittings, tell me how much people are going to be using this in PvP.

Wonderful then that the exact fit I linked has a scram and a web. With a cloak to get in range to use it. Target ain't moving anymore. And yes, a stabber will have a great time fighting a dual propped 40k ehp cruiser that packs a tracking disruptor.

You're either a noob or a troll and I can't decide which tbh.

Wonderful then that the exact fit I linked has a scram and a web. With a cloak to get in range to use it. Target ain't moving anymore. And yes, a stabber will have a great time fighting a dual propped 40k ehp cruiser that packs a tracking disruptor.

You're either a noob or a troll and I can't decide which tbh.

Yeah thats true. Still though, these are a little ridiculous. I cant see myself ever flying an ishtar Nexor or gila over that soe ship. Mind you the gilas not rebalanced yet but you get my drift.