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Sahga7
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Posted - 2007.03.24 18:45:00 -
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updated setup! :)
Advice on this? thinking of trying it on singularity first
High 6x XT9000 cruise launchers 2x Heavy Nosferatu ------------- Mid X-Large Shield booster II Shield boost amplifier I 4x passive hardeners ------------- Low 3x PDS I 2x BCS I
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local
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.24 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: local on 24/03/2007 19:56:36 Edited by: local on 24/03/2007 19:54:44 Edited by: local on 24/03/2007 19:53:15 from over 1 year expirience i figured out this setup as very balanced:
high: 6x siege launcher t2
med: 1xXlarge sb t2, electrochemical cap injector with 800¦s, 4xshield hardeners t2 - fited accordingly to the damage type of npc.
low: 1xrcu t2, 1xcpu t2, 1xdmg control t2, 2xbcu t2
+ medium drones t2
zainou implants: kva1000, kua1000, kya1000.
for gallente and r.drones missions 1xlarge + 1xmedium named smartbombs in high + 1 cpu t2 instead of 1xbcu t2.
i can tank anything with this setup + descent damage output, for interceptors and frigs i use drones, depends on the situations of course, cause in some missions release of drones could trigger agression of the whole spawn. in that case i just tank small ships and kill them after bs/cruisers etc.
i had trouble tanking in only one mission: enemies abound 5th stage. didnt kill the gate fast enough and daikatana tempests jumed in. theyr hit very hard and are well tanked.
enjoy.
oh, i forgot: 3xccc rigs of course.
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WildSide
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2007.03.26 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: WildSide on 26/03/2007 09:45:10 Edited by: WildSide on 26/03/2007 09:42:58 my caldri spec alts 6/10 0.0 plex raven is:
high:
6x siege t2 1x heavy dim
med: dread guristas Large shield booster 2x shield boost amp 2x hardners of rat specsifc type 1x painter
1 dmg control t2 4 pds t2
then 3 of thosee rigs that reduce ure booster cap. (gonna buy some cc sooner)
the booster gives ca 400 hp pr 3.2sec and uses ca 110 cap then u add rue hardners, Im able to pretty much perma boost which make up for the low hp pr sec compared to a xl booster.
another option would be ofc to have a gist xl booster or something. but since the area is very hostile....I think losing a normal raven+50mill for the dread large booster is smarter rather than billion isk setup.
I got a giant sec can placed in space...filled with torps. so I log in my alt..do the plex.....ratt a little....logg off. rarly leaves the system.
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s3piroth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:29:00 -
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Latest fitting:
6x arby cruise 2x heavy diminishing NOS === 1x Gist B-Type XL SB 1x DG SBA 4x rat-specific Tech II sists === 1x Domination BCS 1x BCS II 3x PDS II === 5x Hammerhead II's 5x Hobgoblin II's
Rigs: 1x Core Defence Capacitor Safe guard I (10% decreased cap usage for shield boosters) 2 x Capacitor Control Circuit I
I have energy management skill at 4, energy systems operation at 5 and shield compensation skill only at 2 atm (to list the "cap" skills) so further decreasing cap usage for the Gist is possible.
I can almost indefinitely sustain the Gist with a 2 PDS and 1 CPR setup in the lows. I'm gonna try to swap 1 active sist for a Cap recharger II to see if that will be sufficient to perma-boost the Gist.
-- Thats a Templar, the Amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.27 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 27/03/2007 08:08:54 Highs: 6x Tech 2 Siege Missile Launchers (Javelin Torps) // 2x Tractor beams
Mediums: 1x Gisti C-Type XL Shield Booster // 3x Dread Shield Hardners // 1x Cap Recharger II // 1x Dread Shield Boost Amplifier
Lows: 3x Power Diagnostic Systems II // 2x Dread Ballistic Control Systems
Rigs: 3x CCC
Drones: 5x Hammerhead II*
* I used to have some Hobgoblins as well but Hammerheads are better on frigates anyway so I saw no point in using them. I have 7 Hammerhead II in my dronebay - 2 spare.
Implants: full low-grade crystal set without the Omega (will train up cybernetics 5 eventually).
I get 971.something on the shield booster every 4 seconds indefinately, resists range from low to mid 80s for primary, 70s for secondary. IE for Guristas, I get 85.6% Kinetic, 73% Thermal.
Can run the tank permanently, im working on training all engineering skills to lvl 5 at the moment (at 4) to see if I can drop the cap charger for another hardner before I attempt Enemies Abound 5/5 again :)
EDIT: forgot my shield boost amp!
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Kaptein Trefot
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Posted - 2007.03.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 27/03/2007 08:08:54 Highs: 6x Tech 2 Siege Missile Launchers (Javelin Torps) // 2x Tractor beams
Mediums: 1x Gisti C-Type XL Shield Booster // 3x Dread Shield Hardners // 1x Cap Recharger II // 1x Dread Shield Boost Amplifier
Lows: 3x Power Diagnostic Systems II // 2x Dread Ballistic Control Systems
Rigs: 3x CCC
Drones: 5x Hammerhead II*
* I used to have some Hobgoblins as well but Hammerheads are better on frigates anyway so I saw no point in using them. I have 7 Hammerhead II in my dronebay - 2 spare.
Implants: full low-grade crystal set without the Omega (will train up cybernetics 5 eventually).
I get 971.something on the shield booster every 4 seconds indefinately, resists range from low to mid 80s for primary, 70s for secondary. IE for Guristas, I get 85.6% Kinetic, 73% Thermal.
Can run the tank permanently, im working on training all engineering skills to lvl 5 at the moment (at 4) to see if I can drop the cap charger for another hardner before I attempt Enemies Abound 5/5 again :)
EDIT: forgot my shield boost amp!
You can probably permarun that tank with 3 BUCs and 2 PDS in low. Dont make to much of a difference but every litttle bit counts! :)
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s3piroth
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.27 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: s3piroth on 27/03/2007 18:50:51
Originally by: kill0rbunny With a Gist Booster and decent skills you can make a setup that runs forever, but that's only possible by using 3 Capacitor Control Circuits.
Not true.
See my fitting post at http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=294722&page=17#484
I made 2 modifications to it. Took out 1 active sist (so down to 3 ; 1 invuln. field II and 2 rat-specific sists) and replaced it with a cap recharger II. Replaced the beta (best-named) CPR in low with a 3rd PDS II.
I can truly perma-boost the Gist B-Type XL SB now, the Gist being sustained between 30-35% cap range. My rigs (2x CCC and 1 Core defense cap safe guard) and skills (shield compensation only at 2 still, energy mgmt at 4 and energy systems operation at 5) haven't changed.
HTH
-- Thats a Templar, the Amarr fighter. Its a combat drone used by carriers. |
Ekain Sayyid
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Posted - 2007.03.28 04:56:00 -
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CNR setup to run missions fast:
7x Cruise II, TS Nos Gist X XL Booster, Pith X Amp, 2x Pith X hardeners, DG Invuln, PWNAGE TP 4x DG BCU, Tairei PDU
Rigs: Capacitor Control Circuit II, 2x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
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skandalf
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Posted - 2007.03.28 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: skandalf on 28/03/2007 13:19:18 dont use torps for missions guys ffs!
hi . 7 t2 crusie launchers, e500 hvy nos
med . gist x xl sb, t2 shield extender, and 4 gist b shield hards (2 for each damage type)
lo . 3x t2 pdu, 2x DG bcu
dronebay . 7 t2 med drones
with this setup you should be able to do any l4 mission solo.
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General Titan
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Posted - 2007.03.28 23:31:00 -
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how'd you guys get 7 launchers on your raven?
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:59:00 -
[491]
Originally by: Kaptein Trefot
Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 27/03/2007 08:08:54 Highs: 6x Tech 2 Siege Missile Launchers (Javelin Torps) // 2x Tractor beams
Mediums: 1x Gisti C-Type XL Shield Booster // 3x Dread Shield Hardners // 1x Cap Recharger II // 1x Dread Shield Boost Amplifier
Lows: 3x Power Diagnostic Systems II // 2x Dread Ballistic Control Systems
Rigs: 3x CCC
Drones: 5x Hammerhead II*
* I used to have some Hobgoblins as well but Hammerheads are better on frigates anyway so I saw no point in using them. I have 7 Hammerhead II in my dronebay - 2 spare.
Implants: full low-grade crystal set without the Omega (will train up cybernetics 5 eventually).
I get 971.something on the shield booster every 4 seconds indefinately, resists range from low to mid 80s for primary, 70s for secondary. IE for Guristas, I get 85.6% Kinetic, 73% Thermal.
Can run the tank permanently, im working on training all engineering skills to lvl 5 at the moment (at 4) to see if I can drop the cap charger for another hardner before I attempt Enemies Abound 5/5 again :)
EDIT: forgot my shield boost amp!
You can probably permarun that tank with 3 BUCs and 2 PDS in low. Dont make to much of a difference but every litttle bit counts! :)
hmm good point, I shall try that!
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot. |
Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.29 06:59:00 -
[492]
Originally by: General Titan how'd you guys get 7 launchers on your raven?
Navy Raven
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot. |
Alvida
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Posted - 2007.03.30 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Alvida on 30/03/2007 05:58:11 Flame away if ya like, but this set-up will get U thru lvl4 missions like a breeze. Tried and tested time and time again and I've NEVER lost a Raven like this on a lvl4.
High: 6X siege t2, 2XMediumbeam lasers T2 (besttracking/no ammo) Med: 1X largeshieldbooster t2, 1 shieldboost amp, 4 shield hardeners (race-specific ofcause) Low: 4X cap power relays (here comes the flaming :)), 1Xballistic control t2
Tank is running 24/7. Hence no worries 'bout the boost nerf from Cap relays. Hardeners/generic shield recharge/boost will keep U alive. BSs and Cruisers are down in no time. Ample time to take out frigs with medium beams and drones afterwards.
Haven't tried fitting rigs on it as I simply havent had the need for it, but they sure would'nt hurt!
Enjoy!
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Leandro Salazar
Bravehearts Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.30 08:04:00 -
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If you really think that with just one BCU and no target painters you 'breeze' through missions, I am afraid you don't know what breezing through them really is
Of course, you kinda need a Ferrari (= Gist XL Booster and CNR) to really fit for record mission running, and your fitting is more like a Fiat Panda...
Still, without a painter you probably take longer on most missions with a torp setup than with a cruise setup. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Tigrapoe
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Posted - 2007.03.31 10:57:00 -
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I'm scrimped and saved and fitted this onto a mission boat:
6 x Arby Cruise, 1 x Heavy Diminishing, 1 x Drone rangy thing
Gist B-Type XL Booster, Gist B-Type Boost Amp, Cap. Charger II, 3 x Gist A or B hardeners (2 primary damage type, one secondary)
Damage Control II, 2 x PDU II, 2 x BCU II
3 x Cap Rigs.
5 x T2 medium drones, 5 x T2 light drones, rat specific.
In testing I can perma-run the booster and have resists in the 80s for primary and 70's for secondary. I'm hoping its enough tank to be able to warp into a mission (havent run one in like, 2 years?) and draw full aggression without having to tip toe around. CTD's happen to often for me in Eve to be to blase.
Changes would I suppose be somehow getting an AB in there or a target painter but also a CNR but the thought occurs, how long will it take to earn back the billion I'd have to make in order to buy it in the first place. I think I have 700k in missile skills so will up those a bit.
Thoughts or suggestions?
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flaming phantom
Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.03.31 18:17:00 -
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well i see theres 17 pages and no1 is probbaly going to read this anyway, but heres what i use on my raven and its been working great.
highs: 6 arabalest cruise missile launchers, 2 best named nos (cant rmeber what theyre called) med: 1 x-large c5l emergency shield booster, 1 shiled boost amplifiers, 4 named rat specific hardeners low: dmage contol, 4 power diagnostic systems.
5 med hammerhead
this way ALL your med and lows are working towards your tank, which is the most important thing. then the nos give u cap to feed that shiled boosters hungry appetite, and u can kill pretty much everything from battlecruiser and up with the cruise missiles with ease. and then your drones can take care of frigs and cruisers. just be careful about using drones in missions, they can get u killed veery fast.
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Homo Mortiferus
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Posted - 2007.04.01 12:48:00 -
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i am training to use cruiser missiles so now i'm using torps. so my setup is:
6x arbalest siege 1x tractor 1x top named nos 1x xlt2 shield booster 1x shield booster amplifier 3x rat specific resistances
3x bcu2 2xpdu2
i am currently trying to finish "The Blockade" given by Sansha's Agents in 0.0 but the damage is tremendous and since it's DED i am dealing with,my torps are doing very little damage..... So,to solo with ease those kind of missions, a Gist-C or better is the only way?
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Domosan
Caldari J-FORCE
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Posted - 2007.04.02 02:39:00 -
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Officer/Faction hardware. I used to smirk at this.
For the first couple of months after char creation (my other char) i ran cal navy missions, getting to enough skill points that i could use t2 shield hardners/bcu's/pdu's and then level 4 missions became doable. Still had to watch the missions carefully, but they were essentially doable solo(all except a couple).
Spent the last year in 0.0 in large alliances ratting/mining/pvp'ing and just recently got burnt out on it. Packed up my stuff and headed back to empire, to chill out and run missions and cool off.
Decided to buy faction gear for the raven. All i can say is WOW, what a difference
My setup
3x arby cruise 3x arby seige 2x hvy dim nos
1x gist b xl sb 1x dg boost amp 2x pith x-type/gist x-type primary hardner 2x pith x-type/gist x-type secondary hardner swap to 2x dg invuln field if all 4 damage types (say for rogue drones)
1x internal ff array (1 cpu short of using a II) 2x pdu II 2x bcu II
3x ccc I rigs
For the most part, its fire and forget. Can run the gisti booster nearly perma, but its not really necessary as the pith/gist x-type hardners really eat into the damamge you take. I am not laughing at the guys who use faction/officer stuff anymore
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.02 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 02/04/2007 06:27:54
Originally by: Domosan Officer/Faction hardware. I used to smirk at this.
For the first couple of months after char creation (my other char) i ran cal navy missions, getting to enough skill points that i could use t2 shield hardners/bcu's/pdu's and then level 4 missions became doable. Still had to watch the missions carefully, but they were essentially doable solo(all except a couple).
Spent the last year in 0.0 in large alliances ratting/mining/pvp'ing and just recently got burnt out on it. Packed up my stuff and headed back to empire, to chill out and run missions and cool off.
Decided to buy faction gear for the raven. All i can say is WOW, what a difference
My setup
3x arby cruise 3x arby seige 2x hvy dim nos
1x gist b xl sb 1x dg boost amp 2x pith x-type/gist x-type primary hardner 2x pith x-type/gist x-type secondary hardner swap to 2x dg invuln field if all 4 damage types (say for rogue drones)
1x internal ff array (1 cpu short of using a II) 2x pdu II 2x bcu II
3x ccc I rigs
For the most part, its fire and forget. Can run the gisti booster nearly perma, but its not really necessary as the pith/gist x-type hardners really eat into the damamge you take. I am not laughing at the guys who use faction/officer stuff anymore
Tell me about it. I'm saving up now for the pith hardners.. just another 200m to go \o/
then crystal omega and... heh.
Just FYI:
Faction Gear: Dread / Domination / true Sansha, Blood Raider stuff
Deadspace: Gisti, Pith
Officer: XXX Modified YYY
so you're actually mostly a step above faction ;-)
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot. |
Alha Qmar
Caldari Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.04.18 20:48:00 -
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What kind of "cheap" fitted raven, that means mostly t1 for the exception of t2 hardeners, is good enough to do most missions? Besides the actualy hardest ones like mordus headhunters and extravaganza etc.
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Tirk Umpat
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Posted - 2007.04.19 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Alha Qmar What kind of "cheap" fitted raven, that means mostly t1 for the exception of t2 hardeners, is good enough to do most missions? Besides the actualy hardest ones like mordus headhunters and extravaganza etc.
6x Arbalest Cruise or Siege - depends on mission - 2x Heavy NOS XL C5L Booster - SBA - 4x T2 hardeners - rat specific 2x BCSII, 3xPDSII CCC / CCC / CCC
With NOS on BC sized targets and up you can pretty much perma boost.
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Kailiani
Fracked Up beyond All Recognition
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Posted - 2007.04.19 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kailiani on 19/04/2007 06:26:58
Navy Raven
7 arby cruise (2 days for T2 >:) / drone link
Gist C-type XL Booster / Dread Amp / Cap recharge II / 3x T2 rat specific
4x BCU II / PDU II
3x CCC rigs
T2 specific drones
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DeathBunny
Minmatar Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: DeathBunny on 19/04/2007 20:30:18 I was trying to figure out how to get Gist XL performance without spending 600+ mill for a booster. This setup is still expensive but not as bad as gist xl with just as good (actualy better) performance. The idea behind this setup is replacing the 2 of the rig slots and the one med slot that are needed for cap recharge to perma-run the Gist XL with modules that will work better with the Pith A-type medium. I replaced 2 of the CCC rigs with rigs to reduce the cycle time of the booster down to 2.1 seconds and the medium slot needed for the cap recharger with another boost amp. This actualy perma-boost reps more then a Gist C-Type XL per second for a couple hundred mill cheaper using the same amount of slots and with much less fitting requirments.
With this setup I am getting 187 per second compaired to 180 per second I would get with normal cap rigs, charger, and a Gist C-type XL with a single 37.5 boost amp.
High 6 Arby Cruise or siege 1 or 2 Large NOS ------
Medium Pithum A Type Medium Booster 2 37.5 shield boost amps 3 rat specific hardners(or could use 1 boost amp and 4 hardners) ------
Low 3 PDSII 2 BCUII
Rigs 2 15% shield booster cycle rigs 1 15% cap recharge CCC rig Fear The Bunny
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.20 10:54:00 -
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Highs:6 T2 launchers;2 Heavy Dim NOS Meds:T2 XL;Gist Type-C SBA;CR2;Three rat specific hardeners Lows:2BCUII;PDUII
Seems able to tank fairly well but I've been avoiding the harder missions. Part two of Downing the Slavers is okay as long as you don't diddle around. Pirate Invasion was okay as well.
So far not seen my cap drop below 60% and not had to boost more than once or twice a minute. Then again as most missions I've done have barely even tested the tank. Most L4 missions are not as hard as some people would have you believe. Massive Attack, frankly, seems easier than the L3 version.
I'm still a little unhappy about my resistances (60 to 70) compared with what they were for L3 when I had 4 hardeners (70 to 80) but I think the tank is okay.
I'm also not entirely convinced about the NOS but they do have an effect. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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JagGator
United Freeloaders
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Posted - 2007.04.20 17:02:00 -
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I've found Capacitor Power Relays (CPR II) to be better than PDS II for maintaining a perma-run XL booster. I can perma-run this setup:
High 6x Arb Cruise 1x Heavy NOS 1x whatever -------------------- Mid Gist C-type XL booster DG Boost Amp 3x Hardeners 1x whatever -------------------- Low 3x BCS II 2x CPR II -------------------- Rigs 3x CCC
The lost shield recharge from dropping the PDS is trivial compared to the booster. With CPRs instead of PDS, I don't need a cap recharger in the mids to perma-run everything. I can use an extra hardener, target painter, or even another boost amp depending on the mission. In the extra high slot I usually put a tractor to help my salvage/loot monkey. If I wanted a second NOS in the highs, I would need a PDS for the grid.
Does need decent cap skills. Energy Systems Operation 5, Energy Management 4, and Shield Compensation 4 should be enough.
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:31:00 -
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High 6x T2 Cruise 2x (What ever you want, i run nothing for the lack of need) -------------------- Mid Gist B-type XL booster Gist B-type Boost Amp 3x T2 Hardeners 1x Blood/Sanasha Cap Recharger -------------------- Low 3x BCS II 2x PDS II -------------------- Rigs 3x CCC
haven't found an empire mission I can not tank in this, the more challenging ones i drop the cap recharger and add a 4th hardner, drop a BCS II and add a PDS II. cap/shield skills all at 5. going to work on faction hardners but no need for that with set up i got, it would just be overkill. just got 600k LP in caladari last night so should have a CNR this weekend or early next week and will post that set up then
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JagGator
United Freeloaders
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Red Rumurder High 6x T2 Cruise 2x (What ever you want, i run nothing for the lack of need) -------------------- Mid Gist B-type XL booster Gist B-type Boost Amp 3x T2 Hardeners 1x Blood/Sanasha Cap Recharger -------------------- Low 3x BCS II 2x PDS II -------------------- Rigs 3x CCC
See, this is what I don't understand. Why not swap the PDS IIs for CPR IIs. Then you can drop the Cap Recharger and still perma-run everthing. Add a target painter or something to speed up the gank part of it.
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.20 18:59:00 -
[508]
Edited by: Red Rumurder on 20/04/2007 19:04:26 the pds do more than just cap thats why. i want the xtra pg, shield hp, shield recharge and cap recharge. also my set up is not a perma run either. i haven't found a perma set up to boos 1020HP every 4 sec. could get to 3sec but the x-type just too expensive
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JagGator
United Freeloaders
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Red Rumurder Edited by: Red Rumurder on 20/04/2007 19:04:26 the pds do more than just cap thats why. i want the xtra pg, shield hp, shield recharge and cap recharge. also my set up is not a perma run either. i haven't found a perma set up to boos 1020HP every 4 sec. could get to 3sec but the x-type just too expensive
The extra shield hp + recharge adds up to like 3 HP/sec, which is trivial. The extra PG is not needed, especially if you are not interested in having 2 NOS (though even those fit if you have AWU 4, but CPU might be a problem). And you get more cap recharge with the CPR instead of PDS (even after accounting for the fact that CPR reduces total cap size).
According to QuickFit, your setup would perma-run just fine (and so would my suggestion to go for 2CPR + no cap recharger). But I only see 792 boost/4 sec, so maybe something is messed up.
Here is another interesting fit: Change out the PDS IIs for CPR IIs, but leave the cap recharger. Instead you can drop one of the CCC rigs and put in a damage-boosting rig. Still plenty of cap recharge to perma-run everything.
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JagGator
United Freeloaders
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Posted - 2007.04.20 19:42:00 -
[510]
Originally by: JagGator And you get more cap recharge with the CPR instead of PDS (even after accounting for the fact that CPR reduces total cap size).
Oh I see my mistake now, for some reason I had it in my head that CPR increased cap recharge with a penalty to cap size. But now I see the penalty is to shield boost amount, which is definately more painful. So now it becomes necessary to replace the cap recharger with another boost amp or hardener to recover the lost tank.
I still don't see why you say your setup is not perma-run.
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