The ability to farm systems undisturbed with no API to clue anyone in that the hole they just rolled into is one of your bearing systems and thus they won't leave a scout in system to keep an eye on it and gank you.

It's not really a "hidden" agenda though so I'm not sure it counts.

In some of the original discussion in the other thread, some of CCP Foxfour's reasoning was
basically

in true CCP PR fashion - the yardstick of "why we want to make a change" continually moves once announced because they literally have no idea about how to propose changes to a customer group without stepping all over their ..... lips.

So no - it's not garbage in the context of the original poorly thought-out keyboard-mashing attempt to find some justification of why this change is a "good" change.

i don't do wormholes

Then I guess your opinion carries no weight here. Thanks for sharing though

"your opinion on this easily understood topic is irrelevant unless you have a huge bias in a particular direction"

Yeah or "your opinion based on no firsthand experience carries no weight because of a total lack of credibility"

credibility determinations are not generally delegated to obviously biased individuals

Basically the issue is the only was to reasonably catch carebears in WH space is with log on traps which are made possible by the API information. If you do decide to remove this information, WH space needs something pretty significant to make WH space less safe.

Goons literally the high sec pubbies demanding null sec changes to make it more accessible to them ITT

yeah let me tell you how much we wish we were in wormholes rather than owning where it actually matters

Wait wut?...

So because the carebears are doing a better job of covering their backsides than you are, you deserve an out of game source of information to bypass their diligence and attention to gameplay mechanics?

Nice.... Why didn't I think of that?

yeah let me tell you how much we wish we were in wormholes rather than owning where it actually matters

Yeah I hear you guys are just swimming in content and activity where it actually matters

i think you'll spend more time whining about how those berries aren't given to you on a silver platter

So.. as the former API guy and member of Team Bifr+¦st, the team that made the wormhole space; You were never supposed to be able to see this data. If it's not in the client it cannot be in the API because the same information should be available to everybody playing this game. Nobody is supposed to get a decisive advantage because they have access to data other people have no means of availing themselves to.

The fact that we screwed up and forgot to sanitize the API calls does not change that design.

Now stop being mad at FoxFour, he's a delicate lotus blossom. You can be mad at me for forgetting this in the first place when I was creating WH Space and thus giving you false expectations. Please direct all angry rants to [email protected].

Thank you and have a nice day!

foxfour phrased something poorly and the meaning behind it is clear and unassailable, hence the persistent refusal to do anything but harp on the way the phrase could be misinterpreted

your point is bad, so you've got to resort to this. the clear meaning was that through api and third-party use you could gain an advantage absolutely unmatchable through in-game tools, it's like if the api exposed tower passwords

While I don't really expect my post to be read this far back in the thread, here goes anyway.

This information is currently key to generating WH content. It is not the only key to generating content. What will we do instead? We will either actively scout wormholes which requires us to actually play the game and not just hit Refresh on our Siggy windows, or we will roll our holes more often because it would be too time consuming to keep tabs on every hole in our current chain. This change will get more WH pilots actively playing EVE and looking for content rather than just sitting in a POS and waiting for someone to give them a free kill.

More pilots scouting means more scouts getting caught. More scouts getting caught means scouts don't fly alone any more, or they fly something that doesn't squish so easily. More scouts moving through wormholes and in larger fleets and shinier ships means we actively control our holes more. Coordinating hole control means we need more members in our corp and that means pulling new pilots into W-Space. Therefor removing kill stats on wormholes generates more content.

More rolling of inactive chains means more possibility of rolling into an active chain. How many times have you gotten kills while people were rolling?

Get ready for that to happen 2x or 3x more often. Therefor removing kill stats on wormholes generates more content.

FoxFour can you go back to that part about getting ideas in the shower

NPC kill statistics makes it possible for entities to see if another system is being actively used

NPC kill data... ...simply put, it makes it possible to actively hunt people