Still avoiding the facts :)

Facts:

1) NPC API belong to wormhole space and it was for years
2) TROLLS FARMERS and RMTers agree with its removal

You're not allowed to have an opinion because we killed you in that WH that one day

Go on and count the posts :)

I still have no idea who the **** you think you are and couldn't care less, this thread is not about you or anyone else.

u u u, you must all be 13.

Yeah RudinV as you can see most people agree with this fix, and those who oppose haven't expressed any serious arguments for the preservation of the oversight.

Time to stop whining and start adapting (you can support the development of deployables that would serve the same purpose) and maybe discuss the real issues in wormhole space currently.

Crying like babies about API/logon trap gameplay makes you look blind to the real elephant in the room- lack of meaningful PVP in wormholes.

And let's remove the locale in systems with security status 0

The tears would be epic :)

Facts:

1) NPC API doesn't belong to wormhole space by game design and will be removed
2) most people agree with this

Have fun, you'll be fine when you get over the butthurt.

And let's remove the locale in systems with security status 0

I gotta say, the most amusing thing I find from this thread.

Is the thing you did NOT read this thread.

Obvious Trolling

No, but we are a bit capable of pinpointing trolls.

Just so you guys don't think I am ignoring this thread, we have a meeting on Monday to discuss some things after which we will talk to the CSM some more and then come back and update you. So yea, not forgotten or anything. :)

I gotta say, the most amusing thing I find from this thread is that apparently QEX/BU are totally incapable of doing what they do without NPC API data. I thought you guys were meant to be good? Have you learnt nothing over the years you've been doing what you do to take a decent guess on whether a group is a farmer group or not?

And if you are the farmer type, the take out from this whole thread is that it seems you can make yourself immune to QEX/BU interference via obfuscating your NPC kill output to the API.

Please consider holding off on this change while you design and implement an in-game alternative like this

Repeating this here to ensure FoxFour reads it:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4567366#post4567366

"You know guys if you want easy intel on w-space victims all you have to do is agree to co-operate.

At the moment we all use a system like siggy or tripwire and all of our data is partitioned.

However, if we agreed to share some of our data, such as times and location of sitings of ratting etc, then actually you can achieve the same quality or better of data than is supplied by an API.

Why better? Because you can include ship types and numbers, likely willingness to retaliate etc.

This crowdsourcing of intel works very well in the markets, why not in victim identification?"

... and that's why all you lazy w-space "pvp-ers" who want helpless sacrificial lambs laid out on an altar for you need not worry.

A bit of hackery and you'll have your free intel back.

Basically this.

As a compormise, allow us to query this data via API -- call it system statistical data, for example -- for each system where we have a character located. Since in the EVE universe, "log offs" don't exist, we can be considered "in" a system for the purpose of this API query regardless of our login status or subscription status. This is completely fair, fits any requirements you've proposed so far for collection of this data, and requires actual work from players to be present in a location instead of being completely free.

Then, we only need to share a character-based API key pointing to this data with a wormhole-global database as we seed W-space with scouts. We will then have the equivalent to what we have now, except there will be a LOT more API queries made against your network, and a lot more server load that your API system must deal with. You can be quite assured we will work together to build such a database.

Or, you can just go with the idea that we're already doing this, that this adds some missing risk to W-space and helps increase the chances for sinks of multiple types -- even if it does mean you or your friends could suffer a logoffski trap. After all, gameplay often trumps realism, particularly for the purposes of performance.


Will you agree to this compromise, or should we just stick with what we have now, saving everyone a lot of effort and headache?

in 1% .

Actually u missed the point why I'm against this fix. Idea came from slakers, so making them happy is not a way to make things work well. simply becose u can't make lazy people glad by fixing environment. Its the utopia way, loosers always find external reason of the fail. i.e we **** this bears not becouse we are good, but becouse they are bad.

Two years old. Your impressive data mining suggests a 25% growth, lets be generous here and make it 25% per year, so we get to 16.5T.

Still you suggest a whopping 300% growth, even though wormhole activity is nothing but a pale shadow of the glory days.

Removal of wh NPC kills from API data has nothing to do with inflation.

But this change has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the API data being used for things that CCP is uncomfortable with. They never envisioned it being used for near real time tracking in w space.

Hm, you roam low-level WH from time to time, never doing anything we do. So I was wondering how people who never done something and have zero field experience found it even remotely possible to make estimates. Especially after real WH PVPers (and I don't mean only us, there were a lot of posts beside ours) explained in all details how it will change things.

I assume you still did not read this topic, and did not and killing your time flooding here. So there is no point to take into consideration anything from you from now on.