God forbid you have to face something challenging in a game

God forbid you have to face something challenging in a game

I think you're either missing or ignoring the point.

PvP is challenging. Nobody's complaining that PvP is too hard. The person I'm quoting, however, says more or less "learning PvP was difficult for us, so it should have to be difficult for everyone else too because it was difficult for us before they got here."

That's neither fine in a game nor in real life - but especially not in a game, where the goal is to have fun.

Let me be blunt. **** sandbox purity if it means logging off to find fun elsewhere because the Old Boys' Club thinks EVE has to be a god-awful pain in the ass.

These arenas won't help anyone learn how to PvP in EVE as they are very different to what you will find in the wider world.

It will block others from attacking your ship in space, that's removing content.

It's ok because it's adding content with the dojo interaction, your statement would be true if dojos weren't player made and destroyable.

Well it's not the case.

Its not adding content because you can already do 1v1s. It is removing the ability for me to shoot your ship while you are in combat, thus it is removing content. This is a hard fact.

Its not adding content because you can already do 1v1s. It is removing the ability for me to shoot your ship while you are in combat, thus it is removing content. This is a hard fact.

But then again, what do I know? **** everyone else and **** what anyone else wants, because EVE should only be fun for one playstyle, right?

Notice that the only people wanting to get rid of another persons playstyle are the people who are defending a mechanic that stops others from interacting with you in this 1v1 arena.

Notice that the only people wanting to get rid of another persons playstyle are the people who are defending a mechanic that stops others from interacting with you in this 1v1 arena.

That's a strawman and you know it. Nobody's saying to get rid of anything. I'm doing my level best to present rational arguments and I demand the same in return.

But then again, what do I know? **** everyone else and **** what anyone else wants, because EVE should only be fun for one playstyle, right?

That's a strawman and you know it. Nobody's saying to get rid of anything. I'm doing my level best to present rational arguments and I demand the same in return.

CCP didn't remove your playstyle when they designed covops ships and stations either.

You can't always gank people in EVE, but you have other ways to interact with them.

When you are fighting someone in PvP with your ship you are neither cloaked nor in a station.

The only thing that's being said is that there's room in the sandbox for structured tournament-style PvP backed by the requisite mechanics to make it work properly.

When you are fighting someone in PvP in a fair and controlled environment

The EVE philosophy is risk vs reward, not "gank everyone because I want to" this is how CCP designed the game, dojos respect this philosophy.

What was the problem with people doing this on the test server, anyway?

When you are fighting someone in PvP in a fair and controlled environment that has no rewards and only risk (of losing your ship) you shouldn't get ganked by people for no reason.

The EVE philosophy is risk vs reward, not "gank everyone because I want to" this is how CCP designed the game, dojos respect this philosophy.

Ganking is not the only way to interact with people in EVE Online, yes I understand that you like ganking but this isn't baltec1 Online, please drop your self-entitlement and respect the sandbox.

Because there's no loss on the test server.

To the kind of people who want e-bushido, why do they even care? If it was about loss, they'd just do this wherever in space they felt like, instead of insisting on "you can touch me" walls for it.

When such a thing exists, it has broken the sandbox. That is not even up for argument, it's a fact.

Quite the opposite, actually.

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between losing a fight against your opponent because they're a better pilot and losing a fight because a random Tornado showed up and alpha'd you off the field.

That you are there and shooting at each other is reason enough.

Having an area in space in which two people are fighting that is impossible for anyone else to enter is not something we have ever seen before.

I respect your right to do a 1v1, why do you not respect my right to blow both of you up?

Dead is dead.

Nevermind that I'd be really interested to see how they propose to have this abomination permit you to ignore off grid boosts. Because if they can do that, just remove off grid boosts entirely and fix the real problem.

"I has broken the sandbox because I said so, despite the fact that dojos are player made and destroyable"

Just like EVE Online stopped being a sandbox in 2005 with the first AT tournament right? It was all a lie.

As you have been told several times now AT takes place in space nobody but CCP can access and uses tools nobody but CCP has access to.

If it removes you from any fleets you're in and doesn't permit being invited to them for the duration, that easily solves the OGB issue.

As for "dead is dead", that seems like a gross oversimplification.

And I told you over and over that it was for technical reasons and that dojos will fix it.