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Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2014.09.28 01:20:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Regnag Leppod wrote: You left out pathalogical sadist.
save us your sob story
LOL. You're the one crying like a butthurt little girl over an experiment on a test server by one of the Devs.
It's not like they are removing gates and going to a direct jump system, or forcing everyone to have their safety set to green in high sec (which they have the ability to do, btw). Dojo's aren't some impenetrable safe spot that your precious tear producing targets can just turn on and suddenly hide from you while making billions of isk that you covet so much.
It must drive you insane that many people go through life day after day without experiencing pain or suffering. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.09.28 03:31:00 -
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Zappity wrote: Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. Supporting B0TLRD while complaining about this is hypocritical in the extreme.
I'm not complaining about this. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.09.28 03:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to.
If the AT is not part of the sandbox, if it is truly standalone, then why does winning it give someone the opportunity to take 120b of my ISK if I want to pick up an Etana?
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.09.28 03:48:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote: But to me blobbing is gimmicky, hell it's far from lacking rules fleets are normalized, fleetcomps are normalized your fc will yell at you if you don't bring the same ship, and it's really gimmicky "follow fleet, press f1" eve combat is deeper than that, blobbers will never experiment it.
You know, a fair number of us who think this dojo idea has potential are also dirty blobbers, and frankly, your oversimplified generalization there is pretty insulting.
Follow fleet, press F1? Really? Maybe for the most slack-jawed of dps pilots, but many of us are doing quite a lot of things in those fights - tackle, defensive dictors, logistics, scouts, etc. And even the basic line battleship pilot should be keeping his eyes on the larger situation, watching local, keeping an occassional eye on d-scans, watching for distant cynos on the overview, and so on.
Eve combat is deeper than 'follow fleet, press f1', even for the aspects of the game with which you clearly have no direct experience.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1909
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Posted - 2014.09.28 04:19:00 -
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Regnag Leppod wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:Regnag Leppod wrote: You left out pathalogical sadist.
save us your sob story LOL. You're the one crying like a butthurt little girl over an experiment on a test server by one of the Devs.
check my posts again.
youre the one trying to call people pathological sadists over a GAME.
if there was a day in eve where no one suffered loss it truly would be a sad day. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
296
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Posted - 2014.09.28 05:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to. There has never been any point in the last 14 years in which we have had consensual PvP on Tranq. The only people looking for risk free PvP are people who want to lock out everyone else from their honourable PvP 1v1 matches.
Thats a lot of effort, ISK, and time by a lot of players, and a lot of advertising on the part of CCP to be "not part of the sandbox"
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13374
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Posted - 2014.09.28 05:58:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:baltec1 wrote: AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to. There has never been any point in the last 14 years in which we have had consensual PvP on Tranq. The only people looking for risk free PvP are people who want to lock out everyone else from their honourable PvP 1v1 matches.
Thats a lot of effort, ISK, and time by a lot of players, and a lot of advertising on the part of CCP to be "not part of the sandbox"
Its not. We do not have access to either the space used or the tools used by CCP to run it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2757
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:02:00 -
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Toriessian wrote:baltec1 wrote: AT is not part of the sandbox, they are a stand alone event hosted by CCP in space we have no access to using tools have had no access to. There has never been any point in the last 14 years in which we have had consensual PvP on Tranq. The only people looking for risk free PvP are people who want to lock out everyone else from their honourable PvP 1v1 matches.
Thats a lot of effort, ISK, and time by a lot of players, and a lot of advertising on the part of CCP to be "not part of the sandbox"
Not to mention how my geckos are worth more now that so many were killed in the AT. Or the AT prize ships that enter the economy, courtesy of the winners. Not part of the sandbox, and yet it affects the sandbox? Right. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2757
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[Its not. We do not have access to either the space used or the tools used by CCP to run it.
That's an extremely and unreasonably narrow view of "part of the sandbox". You have to be able to fly there and gank the participants, or it's not part of the sandbox? The AT takes place on TQ using ships built and paid for on TQ. The ship, module and drone losses affect the market on TQ. The ships that are given out as winnings are on TQ and sold for ISK on TQ. That money funds pilot activities on TQ that might not have happened otherwise.
Yet you still choose to say that it's not part of the sandbox, despite all the effects it has on the sandbox, simply because you cannot fly there? It's a controlled environment specifically because gankers would ruin it for everyone and destroy the tournament completely if they could. Your inability to get past the walls does not disqualify something as being part of the sandbox or not.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2009
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:08:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Greetings Spaceship Fighting Enthusiasts, Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? Well, have I got the extremely rough prototype for you to try out on Duality! Introducing: Dojos! As immortalized in the coolest video ever, IGÇÖve done a lot of programming for EVE tournaments over the past couple years, so when I found myself with a couple months of spare time, we thought itGÇÖd be a good idea for me to take a stab at seeing what kind of experience I could craft around that style of gameplay while staying true to the sandbox of EVE. There are four strong guiding principles that I applied while doing this:
- Fights need to be un-screw-with-able. We strongly feel that if whatGÇÖs supposed to be a GÇ£fairGÇ¥ match given a set of predetermined rules is thrown off course by outside influence, it invalidates the whole premise.
- Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself
- We should cater as much as possible to the participant that wants a quick, easy PvP fix.
- Players should run the whole thing, with the game providing no economic value to participants nor organizers
So, some details on what the prototype turned out to be. ThereGÇÖs a personal deployable that you can obtain from item redeption on Duality that when put into space and stocked with ships and modules (itGÇÖs huge), provides players docked in that system with the ability to fight each other with those ships and modules in fair environment. ItGÇÖs currently limited to 1 pilot on each side, and ships worth 4 points or less given the AT-XII points values. Players on Duality can find dojos to fight at through the extremely aptly labeled GÇ£CalculatorGÇ¥ entry in the GÇ£BusinessGÇ¥ area of the Neocom. You need to be calculating to win! Turns out itGÇÖs easier to copy another Neocom entryGÇÖs stuff than to make your own. ItGÇÖs that kind of prototype folks. Anyway, hereGÇÖs a look at the screen that awaits the intrepid dojo fighter: [img]http://i.imgur.com/CdcafFv.png[/img] On the left here youGÇÖve got a breakdown of all the types of ships/modules/ammo/whatever that are stocked in the dojo ready for use. On the left, youGÇÖve got all of your personal and corporation fittings with handy XGÇÖs or check marks depending on if all of the types used in the fitting are available in the dojo. Highlight one thatGÇÖs fully available, hit GÇ£Select FittingGÇ¥, and youGÇÖll notice in the bottom left your entry in your team listing now shows what ship youGÇÖve picked. It would have a button that shows the full fitting but I havenGÇÖt gotten around to that yet. From there, hit GÇ£Ready!GÇ¥ and youGÇÖre off to the worldGÇÖs worst matchmaking! Once matched up with another player in the dojo, youGÇÖre both whisked away directly from station to your ships, assembled from the items in the dojo, in a deadspace pocket placed randomly in space thatGÇÖs guarded from people warping to it - theyGÇÖll warp to the dojo deployable if they try. YouGÇÖll need to load up ammo because IGÇÖve had some problems doing that automatically, but itGÇÖs a fine way to spend the 40 second pre-game time. YouGÇÖll also quickly notice that IGÇÖve dumped you directly in the center of the fight area, because I didn't implement a range selector. I probably should have done that. Oh well. I did of course implement boundary violations at the customary 125km. My priorities are clear. I think thatGÇÖs enough words about it. If this looks interesting to you, hop on over to Duality and take a spin. Instructions on how to do that are right over here. IGÇÖve set up an extremely simple dojo in FD-MLJ, but IGÇÖm sure someone who knows 1-1s way better than I do will set up a well-stocked dojo that will satisfy all your frigate fighting fantasies. If your account is inactive on Duality, post on over here and it'll get take care of maybe. If youGÇÖve got ideas about how it could be better, or different points/pilot count combinations to try, IGÇÖm all ears. If you think this is a terrible idea, I look forward to your well-reasoned arguments. In either case hit it up quick GÇÿcause come Friday night I turn into a pumpkin. LetGÇÖs have some fun killing each other repeatedly, ~CCP Veritas
For the love of all that is good and holy, please do not implement this. It will kill the game. EVE is a sandbox, and introducing features that undermine the sandbox-y-ness is never a good idea. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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Riela Tanal
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
49
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:09:00 -
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I would be very interested in what this could mean for player run events such as Theomachy. But it would require a lot more functions and options obviously and I can tell this is just a prototype. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2757
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:12:00 -
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I wonder.. are there any devs actually following this thread, or have they abandoned it as an endless flamewar and left it up to ISD Ezwal? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13374
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:13:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
That's an extremely and unreasonably narrow view of "part of the sandbox".
No it is an exact fact. None of us have access to these things or anything else that can stop other people from attacking you while you PvP in EVE.
Alvatore DiMarco wrote: You have to be able to fly there and gank the participants, or it's not part of the sandbox? The AT takes place on TQ using ships built and paid for on TQ. The ship, module and drone losses affect the market on TQ. The ships that are given out as winnings are on TQ and sold for ISK on TQ. That money funds pilot activities on TQ that might not have happened otherwise.
And all of those things are so small they have zero impact upon the game.
Alvatore DiMarco wrote: Yet you still choose to say that it's not part of the sandbox, despite all the effects it has on the sandbox, simply because you cannot fly there? It's a controlled environment specifically because gankers would ruin it for everyone and destroy the tournament completely if they could. Your inability to get past the walls does not disqualify something as being part of the sandbox or not.
If it stops others from attacking you while in space while you PvP then yes it does disqualify it from being part of the sandbox. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:54:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: That's an extremely and unreasonably narrow view of "part of the sandbox".
No it is an exact fact.
But again, the prize ships come out of it, and they affect the sandbox. Which means the AT affects the sandbox. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13374
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Posted - 2014.09.28 07:15:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote: That's an extremely and unreasonably narrow view of "part of the sandbox".
No it is an exact fact. But again, the prize ships come out of it, and they affect the sandbox. Which means the AT affects the sandbox.
They have as much impact upon the game as the federate issue megathron. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Caval Marten
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
14
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Posted - 2014.09.28 07:49:00 -
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I'm just wondering if many in the pro-dojo crowd actually have an appreciation of what solo pvp entails.. the hunt, the outsmarting, the setup, etc.
Watch a lokoforloki (zao) or fintaure stream, look at what they do on their roams. Yeah sometimes there are blobs, sometimes there is ecm but then sometimes there are epic fights. Dojos are just cheapening the experience. With them a soloer jumps into system but the target instead of setting up in a plex sits in station and says come fight in my dojo with X ship or Y setup. This sounds fun??
What are these dojos fixing? If you and a partner want to fight you don't need a dojo. To all those claiming neutral logi issues or other other scenarios.. are you going to ask the friendly pirate that comes into system to fight in your controlled dojo? ..be realistic.
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
208
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:I don't have a problem with the dojo idea, but I worrry about abuse. I have not been on the test server to try it, so perhaps this is not an issue. Let's say I have my dojo deployed in my home system. I try to undock, but a hostile Interdictor bubbles the undock. So, my alt and I undock and activate my dojo. What happens? Do my alt and I warp off to my protected Deadspace pocket? If my alt and I are ratting in the same system and a hostile enters local, do I warp to a safe spot for the rest of the timer? Or several variations on this theme...
In short, I am concerned that device, if brought to TQ, will be used to avoid nonconsenual PVP. That would be devastating.
If someone wants to be an honorable space samurai and have fixed 1v1 matches, that is fine by me as long as real ships explode and there are still consequences in Eve. You would be able to grab a D-scan of the area without having to undock into a station camp.
Instead of demanding this killed by fire right away, why not sit down and work out how to prevent it from being abused. A simple fix because this is an "instanced, 5min long area of space" is to write things that you don't want to see, i.e. no way to gain an outside advantage other than having a 1v1 or team brawl.
That being said, to answer the first guys question: you can only access the dojo from being docked. You cannot warp off from the 125km sphere. Once the timer runs out or the fight is finished, see a ship was destroyed, then both parties are loaded back into station. There is no abuse or ability to avoid a station camp so relax.
To answer the second concern: if the option of d-scan, especially if you could gain advantage from d-scanning what's near station/gate/etc. from the safety of the dojo fight area, then just have all d-scan abilities disabled while inside the "instanced space".
I don't know much about coding, but I would make the assumption that if the Dojo spawns an arena in space it's doing so to implement specific rules to a specific picket of space, i.e. Boundary violations and immediate ship destruction. If that is the case, then it would be much more proactive and productive to write down all of the things that would be abuseble by dojo fighters so that the pockets could have a list of rules that cannot be broken, like d-scanning or boosting, i.e. only allow links inside the pocket to be granted inside the sphere and no links from the outside to affect the ships inside (bc it's own mini-system within in a system).
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Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
208
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:[quote=Bamboozlement][quote=baltec1]
The real irony here is having you demand a sandbox then in the next sentence demand that everyone elses sandbox be take away.
Also please stop telling both lies and trying to compare totally different things to each other. There has never been a mechanic in place that forces "fair" fights in EVE.
Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe CCP has tried in the past and just didn't get the resulted they wanted and that is now the next iteration of dueling and designed to actually achieve their desired results? --------------------------------------------------------::::::::::::--:::-----:::---::::::::::::--------------:::----------:::----:::---:::----------------------:::::::-------:::---:::----::::::-------------------:::-----------:::--:::----:::---------------------::::::::::::----:::::::----:::::::::::::------- |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
208
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:35:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Regnag Leppod wrote:
Ah, so what it comes down to is money then. You get a perverse sense of power and control out of taking things away from others that they worked for. That explains a lot.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon im playing EVE, what are you playing? on the Sisi server i can take a mining fleet, take it to null sec, mine trillions in minerals and then freighter it back to a market, and i can do that without even thinking of someone attacking me. likewise in a dojo i can fit up my ship with the blingiest modules isk can buy knowing for certain that i know who im up against and what they are bringing. that im not ok with. i also get a perverse sense of excitement when that which matters to me is threatened. Or knowing that i have destroyed a ship of my enemies that they cannot use against me again. the thrill of loss and the unexpected is what makes eve what it is and it also makes every victory that much more sweeter. perhaps your're looking for a different game. Bamboozlement wrote: Thanks for backpedaling from your initial statement that implied your dojo experience won't be useful in the rest of eve.
We both agree that it's not the case then.
again, back pedaling is all yours
I think someone hasn't tested the dojo on the duality server....
You can still have you day ruined by many reasons: -hauler gets ganked moving ships and mods to the dojo because remember the dojo must be pre-stocked with all ships and mods before the fight -hauler can be ganked with deploying the dojo before the fight/tournament begins -the dojo can be put into reinforced (haven't check to see if reinforced mode doesn't allow anymore fights to happen) -destroy the dojo and all of the contents inside resulting in direct loss to the dojo owner
Most agreed on 1v1 or duels already have people showing what fits they are bringing so there would be no difference except more control in the process, which means you can't be a butt pirate and bring a full faction fit ship....or you can still can, except now the other pilot will know beforehand and will get even more enjoyment popping and looting your ship
As the for "keep this trash of the TQ server" or the "I'm only okay with this on the SiSI server". Why do you want to actively push people off the live server and directly affect open world play. By forcing people to not log on the live sever so they can run their fights/tourneys on the test server, I ask how is that good for the game? Does everyone realize that real ships and real consequences are being added if this goes live on TQ because people will continue to work on the test server with broken tools and no real risk involved...
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PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin Point Blank Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:42:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:EVE's "winning formula" has turned it into a game where nullsec is stagnant, people can and do roam 40j without finding anything (either because they're not allowed to shoot the half of EVE that's blue to them or because all they find are risk-averse pilots who dock/pos up) and where people log out and play other games as a way to pass the time.
Is that really okay? Are you really saying "EVE should be this game that people log out of to go play something else"?
Let's not forget how so-called 1v1 virtually requires you to have an offgrid boosting alt (because the other guy does) and how there's just so much PvP in highsec that isn't docking games or ganks.
So yeah. Dojos will totally kill EVE. Because EVE is in the best state it's ever been in. Is the sarcasm thick enough yet?
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
One last thing: None of you crying change-averse bittervets seem to realize that this isn't on TQ. It hasn't been announced for TQ. It hasn't even been put on SiSi. It's on Duality and nobody has said the first thing about it going to any other server. So HTFU and STFU or GTFO. [*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
i mostly solo and duo pvp. I don't use off grid boosting and my kb looks just fine. Secondly, it doesn't matter that it isn't on TQ because it is having the same or maybe a worse affect than if it were because it is pulling a ton of ppl from TQ and making things very empty and unenjoyable. In general fewer ppl online means fewer ppl to potentially **** with. Which in turn means less fun for me and people who play like me. GTFO |
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Doufin
The Ur'Quan Masters Dream Fleet
11
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:53:00 -
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Instead of these "Arenas" you, guys, should fix claim in order to evade 10%TD each timer. I mean put some limits on defending and attacking teams. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin Point Blank Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:04:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Kasarch wrote:Arenas? Are you seriously? When you split eve cluster to different instances? Also you need to remove space travels and make button "Fight" like in world of tanks. You shouldn't use logical fallacies if you want people to take you seriously : https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slopeTry to make logical and compelling arguments against dojos. Good luck with that.
The problem with you ridiculing him for using the slipery slope argument is that you too are engaging in conjecture. you're saying that our fears are unfounded and will not come to fruition and you have about as much if not less solid evidence that it won't happen as we do that it will. So get down off ur high ****ing horse. This is all CONJECTURE, so stfu about logical fallacies when nobody in here is engaging it structured sound logical argumentation. I could just as easily call yor argument the "Believes all content in eve is compartmentalized and will not effect other aspects" fallacy. All you are attempting to do is marginalize legitimate fears.
Btw. In debate an argument has to be both sound and logical to be considered valid. Also it's better to be sound and not logical than logical and not sound. |
PastyWhiteDevil
Mayhem and Ruin Point Blank Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:17:00 -
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And honestly, as a pirate, I don't want there to be an easy button to learn pvp. It would directly cut in on potential profit by making more hard targets. I like it when there are idiots flying ships they have no business being in. If people want to learn to pvp they need to just go to low sec. I'll kill them until they learn how to not be killed and they will be better off for it in the end.
and i believe it undermines the effort that those of us who have learned the hard way had to put in. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
2757
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Posted - 2014.09.28 11:44:00 -
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PastyWhiteDevil wrote:...and i believe it undermines the effort that those of us who have learned the hard way had to put in.
"I had to walk thirty miles in neck-deep snow, so you should have to do it too."
That's what this sounds like.
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Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:16:00 -
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Caval Marten wrote:I'm just wondering if many in the pro-dojo crowd actually have an appreciation of what solo pvp entails.. the hunt, the outsmarting, the setup, etc.
Watch a lokoforloki (zao) or fintaure stream, look at what they do on their roams. Yeah sometimes there are blobs, sometimes there is ecm but then sometimes there are epic fights. Dojos are just cheapening the experience. With them a soloer jumps into system but the target instead of setting up in a plex sits in station and says come fight in my dojo with X ship or Y setup. This sounds fun??
What are these dojos fixing? If you and a partner want to fight you don't need a dojo. To all those claiming neutral logi issues or other other scenarios.. are you going to ask the friendly pirate that comes into system to fight in your controlled dojo? ..be realistic.
It's a different experience, and yes adding dojos won't stop people from roaming and going against the odds.
Sometimes you don't have the time to roam for hours for a good fight, and don't forget that streamers get more content because they stream..
And don't forget that this is a quality of life change for people that organize tournaments, more content for eve. I have a Ph.D |
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:26:00 -
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PastyWhiteDevil wrote: The problem with you ridiculing him for using the slipery slope argument is that you too are engaging in conjecture. you're saying that our fears are unfounded and will not come to fruition and you have about as much if not less solid evidence that it won't happen as we do that it will. So get down off ur high ****ing horse. This is all CONJECTURE, so stfu about logical fallacies when nobody in here is engaging it structured sound logical argumentation. I could just as easily call your argument the "Believes all content in eve is compartmentalized and will not effect other aspects" fallacy. All you are attempting to do is marginalize legitimate fears.
Btw. In debate an argument has to be both sound and logical to be considered valid. Also it's better to be sound and not logical than logical and not sound.
The burden of proof is on you, if you don't expect me to react when people with a meta-game agenda (aka I don't want to adapt my gameplay to this change) post doom and gloom comments with no logical basis then you should ignore my post, because I will, over and over.
As an example last time people were saying duels would kill eve : http://i.imgur.com/5v1zptC.jpg
Statements like "why go to lowsec/nullsec/x instead of pushing a button for a fair fight" imply that dojos will remove the incentive to go to nullsec/lowsec, which is plain wrong.
Stop trying to leverage fear with doom and gloom posts and be honest : you might have less easy targets to blob/gank if you don't adapt your gameplay to this change that's why most people are against this change.
Eve is all about risk vs reward. I have a Ph.D |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13376
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:36:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote: And don't forget that this is a quality of life change for people that organize tournaments, more content for eve.
You can already organise tournaments, this idea is only adding tools to make it easier and is in fact removing content in the form of people attacking said tournament. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13376
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:36:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:PastyWhiteDevil wrote:...and i believe it undermines the effort that those of us who have learned the hard way had to put in. "I had to walk thirty miles in neck-deep snow, so you should have to do it too." That's what this sounds like.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:44:00 -
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update on the thread stats.
http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/375485-1
Bamboozlement, please stop jumping down the throats of anyone with a negative comment =]I[= |
Bamboozlement
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bamboozlement wrote: And don't forget that this is a quality of life change for people that organize tournaments, more content for eve.
You can already organise tournaments, this idea is only adding tools to make it easier and is in fact removing content in the form of people attacking said tournament.
Baltec mate, it's not removing content since you can interact with dojos and people deploying them.
To me it would be worse if this was only available on sisi (I would probably play on sisi more than tq then, which is good from a selfish pov) because dojos would be safer, our losses wouldn't be valuable, and we would get less content overall.
All of this is better from a "competitive" pov but worse from an eve player pov.
Arrendis wrote: You know, a fair number of us who think this dojo idea has potential are also dirty blobbers, and frankly, your oversimplified generalization there is pretty insulting.
Follow fleet, press F1? Really? Maybe for the most slack-jawed of dps pilots, but many of us are doing quite a lot of things in those fights - tackle, defensive dictors, logistics, scouts, etc. And even the basic line battleship pilot should be keeping his eyes on the larger situation, watching local, keeping an occassional eye on d-scans, watching for distant cynos on the overview, and so on.
Eve combat is deeper than 'follow fleet, press f1', even for the aspects of the game with which you clearly have no direct experience.
Hey this is true, I was replying to someone that said mechanical skill and manual piloting isn't relevant to the rest of eve I had to simplify his logic to attack its core.
But yes you are right, like I said good manual piloting is what makes the difference between a good tackle and a great one.
And while it's true that "F1 grunts" should be doing more than pressing F1 in theory, when it comes to most battles I doubt it's the case especially seeing how it's difficult for some to follow simple orders or focus fire, but this is different from fleet to fleet and battle to battle anyway.
Sorry for being too passive-aggressive I guess, there is no lesser gameplay in eve and your experience here is more relevant than mine. I have a Ph.D |
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