You still don't get it do you? That Mach wasn't fit for travel and wasn't travelling....it was sitting in Uedama bumping freighters so they could get ganked. The anti gankers came and ganked the mach. Why do you persist in peddling falsehoods?

Thats the point we are making. The mach we linked was faster than the brick tank monstrosities they are using and it still got caught. All this sorry argument is showing is just how bad some high sec players are.

a mach with no tank is really weak and easy to kill. what others are saying is that brick tank doesn't change weather you can get caught and will improve your survival rate.

and yes there are fail fits for travel you posted one. a proper travel fit will have at a min extenders in the mids

Citation needed.

Don't bullshit me.

Now both of you knock off the crap.

[edit: Oh, and that was in a 0.5. If the sec level goes up, you need even more people.

So, stop with the aggression, 30+ people are not needed. Just 6 skilled people can do it as logs show quite handily.

I could tell you (it's staggeringly obvious to me), but I want to work on your analysis skills a bit. If you actually want any credibility when discussing highsec (and not Goon infested sov), you should be able to quickly skim that KM, look at the fit, and look at the people on it, and tell me why it's obviously a bumping mach, and not a travel mach. Go for it buddy, show us that you actually have some semblance of a clue when discussing highsec. Fingers crossed!

As for your other crazy claims, a mach with a faction cloak + deadspace MWD is virtually uncatchable in highsec, even with some extenders and plates thrown up. That the gankers are invariably -10 in such large gank groups makes the task even more impossible, and is the reason why these travel fit brick tanked machs never die. For all your rhetoric, the one KM you found was a ganker bumping mach meeting it's doom. On the other hand, you can easily find tens of brick tanked freighters and JFs going kaboom thanks to bumping.

What does this tell you? Put 2 and 2 together.

That you are terrible at EVE and it is impossible for you to learn. Feel free to use that fit of yours as I will love to see that ALOD.

Don't bullshit me.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/42463226/

20 catalysts, and that was with an anti tank.

Now both of you knock off the crap.

[edit: Oh, and that was in a 0.5. If the sec level goes up, you need even more people.

You're dumb if you're ganking freighters in higher sec then .5. Every major trade route has at least one .5.

Keep holding your breath....

Did you do your homework yet and figure out why your linked KM was of a bumping mach and not a travel mach?

PvP doesn't just belong in 0.5 systems. You're basically admitting to me that it does take large numbers of people, in all but specific situations.

So thanks for that.

Either there is a valid counter to bumpers or he got killed while traveling.

Doesnt change the fact that your brick tank is the worst thing you could possibly do for a travel fit ship.

Cute:)

Yes, pulling a fleet together to suicide gank the bumper is a counter to bumping. It requires a few friends willing to become criminals and suicide ganks, some reasonably expensive ships, and good combat skills. It also forces the good guys to become the bad guys, and demonstrates that bumping is broken.

Had you known anything about highsec you would realize that Jenn is a leading anti ganker and bumping mach killer. You would also have realized that the mach was speed optimized, not travel optimized. But that would have required actual competence and knowledge, not just Goon talking points. Can't say I expected much from ya, so I'm not really disappointed.

Your repeated attacks on my fit demonstrate once again that you literally know nothing about highsec...stick to Deklein...you are just making yourself look foolish.

It also forces the good guys to become the bad guys, and demonstrates that bumping is broken.

You're not a good guy. Nor is anyone who would call you a friend.

And having to actually fight back is not broken, either.

Forcing law abiding citizens to become criminals to defend themselves against criminals is broken.

Cute:)

Yes, pulling a fleet together to suicide gank the bumper is a counter to bumping. It requires a few friends willing to become criminals and suicide gank, some reasonably expensive ships, and good combat skills. It also forces the good guys to become the bad guys, and demonstrates that bumping is broken.

Had you known anything about highsec you would realize that Jenn is a leading anti ganker and bumping mach killer. You would also have realized that the mach was speed optimized, not travel optimized. But that would have required actual competence and knowledge, not just Goon talking points. Can't say I expected much from ya, so I'm not really disappointed.

Your repeated attacks on my fit demonstrate once again that you literally know nothing about highsec...stick to Deklein...you are just making yourself look foolish.

Forcing law abiding citizens to become criminals to defend themselves against criminals is broken. And yes, I am the good guys....I've never once committed a criminal act in the game. Keep trying.

You might want to go tell that to about half of the americans. Massive chunk of them own guns for the sole purpose that they believe it is ultimately their responsibility to keep themselves and their friends/family safe. And this is modern society. No need to wait for a dystopian future . Although some would argue we are in one. You'll find them with the tinfoil on their head.

Bumping (a form of entrapment) is already a crime under US law.

You owe me a new monitor because I spit my drink out laughing at this and I don't feel like cleaning it.

I'm gonna start calling the cops every time a ****** hogs the hallway.

I believe you will find the relevant law under kidnapping in most countries.
Removed by force from where you want to be and prevented by force from returning to that area or leaving the person in question.

However there is no good computer mechanic to determine bumping intent thus it can never be flaggable in EVE without being utterly abusable.

Anyway, are you lot having fun arguing round and round in circles and both sides making themselves look really stupid by this point? Since both sides have had their arguments shot to utter dust, and are still somehow clinging to them as if they are immovable objects.