ITT: Players who victimize people in high sec are upset over people effectively denying them the opportunity to victimize them.

where was he promoting a 3 bil isk travel fit mach?

cloak in highs, 2 pith as and 2 lses and gist x mwd in mids, 2 1600 faction plates, 4 x type harderners and dcs in low.....it would be more with shield rigs...overheated 300k ehp

Cost 3.42 Bil. This is assuming he didn't also use faction extenders and plex hardeners.

Cost 3.42 Bil. This is assuming he didn't also use faction extenders and plex hardeners.

ITT: Players who victimize people in high sec are upset over people effectively denying them the opportunity to victimize them.

Actually I love the irony and tears of her statement. That with my highsec toon I should say that highsec is too safe and introduce more danger to myself, and that made her cry. I want her to have an easier time victimizing me because I think it's healthier for the game. And she's throwing a temper tantrum over it. I'm actually finding out why people talk so much about "harvesting tears", there actually is something quite special about it.

I'm debating whether or not to grab popcorn, as I'm not sure if she's going to continue going on with this show or not. It could be entertaining.

Yep, nobody has ever complained about goons being able to project their vast subcap fleets anywhere they wanted for the last four years.

the 2 A types 2.2 bil are already part of the ship. The whole point is not to need to make a 2nd trip. Adding 1 bil to a 3 bil fit you can double, and more, the ehp, and make it essentially ungankable in highsec. That's called good decisionmaking.

And? Did you forget how easy it was to move packed ships in a freighter which have exactly the same bonuses? Or are you telling me that you rig and fit all of your fleet op ships for every single one of your members?

The hell are you even on about?

This guy wants to stuff 42 cruisers in his bowhead, That makes it far too easy for an organisation like ours to transport our fleets around.

The hell are you even on about?

This guy wants to stuff 42 cruisers in his bowhead, That makes it far too easy for an organisation like ours to transport our fleets around.

Love it.. An Ore freighter with no ore hold...

Hmm.. perhaps the name should be "ship freighter" ?

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love the guy that was using civilian guns

And? The only difference between freighters and the bowhead is that it packs rigged ships only. Both ships have the same fatigue bonuses. So I'm trying to figure out exactly how you are saying that would be OP when you can already move that amount of ships easily. Because from where I sit the benefit from being able to move a rigged vs unrigged ship is not all that overpowered and is merely a convenience.

Love the idea of the ship itself, but after reading 4-5 pages of repeated ideas, the only thoughts I could add constructively would be that the only real problem with this ship is the suicide gank capability. Best solution I thought was the increase to shields and overheat effectiveness, to many variables to fix one issue. Take the idea though and make it a module that takes up multiple slots and does something like add 500000 shield for 30 seconds and when activated 180 of no moving depleted capacitor and cannot jump threw gates for 1m, or something like that, maybe call it a emergency shield fortifier or something and lock it to that ship for fit only. Would put a damper on suicide gankabilty, but would not cause to much of other changes. Give the player the option to choose and the ganker can figure ways around it, and won't screw up the future thought of nullsec potential. I least I think...

Now must continue reading.

Unless you are saying gankers normally materialize out of thin air and doomsday you in hi-sec, have someone scout and jump the logi and freighter in an sensible way... maybe you too are also awful at playing eve.

Why is the sensor strength is so low? this thing is going to be way to easy to scan down is it meant to be that way?

Acquisition will work the same as freighters - there will be a NPC seeded BPO (with the same distribution as the Orca), it will be a bit cheaper than a freighter BPO, the Bowhead build materials will also be similar to other Freighters but will be be a bit lower. I would expect eventual market price to be 100 or 200 mil lower than other freighters.

It will use capital rigs.

I think it's been said other places but as far as loot - we hope to get a change ready in time for Rhea that will make SMA loot work the same as CHAs where the contents will be inside the wreck on ship death, it's still not totally clear if that will happen in time but it would be in the following release if not.

I'm not convinced about the EHP needing to be higher but I'll bring this to the rest of the team and get back to you.

So dont use it. Meanwhile there is a large number of people who will have a use for this ship.

Hmm that's actually a valid complaint. It's way lower than typical for capital class hull with a correspondingly large signature radius.

So to carry 3 fitted battleships in a Bowhead is going to require scouts logi and a support fleet.
Would it not be easier to just fly the 3 battleships from A to B and save the cost of the Bowhead?

Whether or not null will use it (and dont get me wrong, im happy for ya about the 90% reduction) is irrelevant in respect of a stated goal of transporting fitted and insured ships in highsec.

In which, given the reality of fits flying around in high, the ships speed and so on, it is still 'meh'.

Its faster than manually flying the three battleships and gankers cannot blow it up and make a profit on a cargo of three t2 fit battleships.

not when you just use 3 accs to move them

So use those accounts. Meanwhile the people with just one account can use this ship.