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MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:57:00 - [631] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!! I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency. However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it. I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think? Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night? No, it says more about the people who condone people breaking the law to win at a game. Go you! Well I have spotted one BoB alt so far.... This is fun.. like a game of "Where is Waldo?"
Schalak Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:58:00 - [632] More than any other point in all of this I am appalled that the person who exposed this was banned for it. He should have been rewarded.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:58:00 - [633] Originally by: Lord XSiV Actually it would be nice if all these people threatening to quit actually do. Eve would be a better place and more mature people would be more likely to start playing Eve. As it is right now, many people shy away from playing Eve due to this kind of crud. Unfortunately those threatening to quit have been playing the same tune over and over trying to get what they want with no intentions of ever quiting the game. It isn't a threat unless you are actually willing to go through with it. My buddy is deactivating as we speak. When I get home from work I will be doing the same. Hot air? I think not. I love the game, but I can't trust CCP. ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Rhaegar Targarin Minmatar	Posted - 2007.02.09 23:59:00 - [634] Edited by: Rhaegar Targarin on 09/02/2007 23:56:01 This thread is bugged. You can only jump to page 19 out of 22 (In two hours 22 pages and 50,0000 views). Start a new one so people can continue to tell CCP how disgusted we are with them and their lack of action in this matter. Fire T20. Penalize RKK for knowingly cheating. Change CCP protocal so this NEVER happens again. Rhaegar Targarin - Minmatar Combat Pilot
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:00:00 - [635] Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected])
CyberChick The Ghost Riders Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:01:00 - [636] Calls for firing will only hurt the game further - where does it stop asking for all the developers that have tranq accounts to be fired only to have No improvement in the game. T20 made a mistake, he admitted it and will probably be punished internally by ccp move along people and leave your pitchforks and torches at the gate. All your doing is continuing to add further damage to the game, the more post like these that are put up the more online game magazines will post about it, and the reputation of the game will drop to a declining number of new subscribers. That said, the whistle blower should have his accounts reinstated. Additionally the claims against certain bob members/corps should be investigated further - I don't hate bob or what to see them destroyed but if Kugutsumen claims have so far been somewhat correct maybe others are too...
Berious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:01:00 - [637] Well CCP thanks for finally starting to be honest with us - after getting on for a year no less - even if it had to be dragged out of you kicking and screaming like usual. After this "We're very sorry but trust us there're better measures in place now" really doesn't cut it, especially considering you knew there was developer cheating but took no action until the community discovered and forced the issue. Now the genie is out of the bottle nothing less than root and branch reform will do. I really think you need to change the way CCP staff play the game, no staff in 0.0 alliance leadership positions, regular rotation of corps, an end to volunteers having the power to give away multi-billion isk rewards and so forth. You must not only be fair, but be seen to be fair.
Sally Va	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:01:00 - [638] Deduct from BoB accounts all the money that was made through sales from said bpo's and we'll call it even.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:02:00 - [639] Originally by: Baudolino I have no problem with devs playing the game and fully appreciate their need to experience the game. However.. there is absolutely no need to hide the fact that a character belongs to a dev. A dev should not have clandestine presence in the game- it simply invites both suspicion of and actual misconduct. A dev character should be market as such for accountability purposes- as for what dev the character belongs to, there is no reason for players to have this information. This is an important principle and it surprises me that CCP does not attend to it with more foresight and finesse. Exactly what I was trying to say and didn't know how to put it. All "regular" characters that have ANY ties with CCP (and free "employee/associate" accounts), while they do own those free CCP accounts, should have all their own regular characters flagged as "CCP related". That includes devs, forum mods, aurora/star... basically every person that signed any NDA or other kinds of confidentiality agreement with CCP. Also, the ONLY place where ANY type of game-modifying tools can be used on the TQ cluster should be at the main CCP office, and ALL such interactions should be logged and logs made non-deletable. More important, ANY direct interaction between a game modifying tool and a "CCP related"-flagged account and its immediate surroundings should only be possible with the confirmation of at least 2 other devs of similar ranking. Furthermore, any change of any kind involving manual content creation on TQ should be approved by a second dev. Those are just general examples of guidelines, not the way it should be. But it does give a general idea. An EVE that has non-playing devs or devs that just play a certain style (carebear?) will crumble soon. We do need them to be in alliances, and even more important, in the larger ones. But they do not and should not be secretive about the fact they are indeed related to CCP. Having devs abandon their long-played character just because they're outed makes no sense. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:03:00 - [640] All these people are just made that they've been pwned by BoB before, trying to hang a whole alliance over something as crummy as a few missiles and a sabre, you guys need to shut up and stop acting like you actually care. If you're literally mad over a sabre bpo and some missiles, you need to go to anger management. BoB owns space because they pwn, not because they have too many sabre's. -- Whatever I said I said while drunk and doesn't reflect my alliance or corporation's views.
Jacob Majestic GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:03:00 - [641] Edited by: Jacob Majestic on 10/02/2007 00:02:11 Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Jacob Majestic Originally by: ph33rf4ct0ry Genius let's hire a convicted hacker to hack our customer bases forums!!!!!!!!!!! I would be satisfied if CCP demonstrated a commitment to transparency. However, the only reason we are here today is because the "convicted hacker" revealed the snake in the grass and because we threadnaughted it. I love EVE. If it takes a "convicted hacker" to restore the integrity of the game, then that says more about CCP than it says about the "hacker," don't you think? Oh hey, what about that GM that was scouting our POS in 28Y last night? No, it says more about the people who condone people breaking the law to win at a game. Go you! You know, you're right. I'm sure you're in Empire mining Veld waiting to get 20m skill points so maybe, just maybe BoB will give your application a second glance before they delete it. One day, you'll finally get into BoB and start to take advantage of the House that T20 Built. All the while we'll be stabbing LV and BoB in the face. I've always played this game like I've had the deck stacked against me. It's kind of nice to get confirmation that when I thought the deck was stacked, I was right. Go you! -dbp P.S. *STILL NO RESPONSE AS TO WHY A GM WAS SCOUTING OUR POS IN 28Y.*
thirdeye47 Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:04:00 - [642] Originally by: Jane Spondogolo Im actually feeling a bit sorry for T20. Feeling sorry for a persons own ignorance is a very poor show
Booster Junkie	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:04:00 - [643] Originally by: Sephiraa THIS IS NOT OVER. * T20, you claim there were 6 BPOs, but that's not true. There were more. What is the fate of the others? What about these BPOs? When are they being put back in the lottery? - Barrage S Blueprint - Barrage L Blueprint - Inferno Javelin Torpedo Blueprint - Malediction Blueprint - Quake L Blueprint * We know there are other Devs still in BoB, and we know their names. What assurance do we have that this kind of corruption has come to an end? Do they need to be exposed as well, or will you make an effort on your own to insure the integrity of fair play in this game moving forward? * T20 led BoB's capital fleet with full knowledge of the account sharing being used to create the cynonet. Accounts shared by all of the Directors in BoB. Every single one of those accounts should be fully banned, if not every single account owned by the BoB directors who took part in the account sharing. Considering other account sharing players have been banned, the answer about what to do here should be obvious. * T20 led BoB's capital fleet, with inside knowledge of game mechanics, and somehow BoB just magically happens to control the largest amount of space. Is anything going to be done to balance this unfair advantage given to the BoB alliance? * The financial gain given to BoB through early, and 'illegal' aquisition of those BPOs has a much large ripple effect in terms of economic and military power that needs to be balanced. What are CCPs plan to right that wrong? * What is the nature and purpose of the Polaris vessels seen around GoonSwarm's moons as some of them are claiming? How can the players by sure the corruption is not still ongoing? * Is a further level of scandal required to get LV's ill gotten Mothership removed? It would be sad, but I'm sure the community is willing to produce it, if CCP is unable to police themseves internally, as the Kugutsume's banning, and seeming coverup attempts suggest. * Unban the whistleblower's account. This shouldn't even be up for debate. This whole scenario is reprehensible, and needs to be set right ASAP. Personally, I don't care if T20 keeps his job or not, as I imgaine he'll not take such risks again. What I do care about is the negative impact on the entire EVE community, from the ripple effects of his cheating. For example, would ASCN be dead today, if T20 had chosen differently. There is more required of CCP, and you better not fail us this time. I think all of this needs to be spoken to. You want to be forgiven? You want our trust back? It starts with the above.
MrDisposable	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:04:00 - [644] Edited by: MrDisposable on 10/02/2007 00:01:50 Originally by: CyberChick Calls for firing will only hurt the game further - where does it stop asking for all the developers that have tranq accounts to be fired only to have No improvement in the game. T20 made a mistake, he admitted it and will probably be punished internally by ccp move along people and leave your pitchforks and torches at the gate. All your doing is continuing to add further damage to the game, the more post like these that are put up the more online game magazines will post about it, and the reputation of the game will drop to a declining number of new subscribers. That said, the whistle blower should have his accounts reinstated. Additionally the claims against certain bob members/corps should be investigated further - I don't hate bob or what to see them destroyed but if Kugutsumen claims have so far been somewhat correct maybe others are too... This is the point unfortuantely... If the truth continues to be covered up then the playerbase deserves to decline. While Kug is still banned and Sir molle, dimension Z, blacklight and many others still have their accounts active this issue should not rest. Unless actions are taken to rectify instead of cover up then this game deserves to smell of the stench it has created.
Patricia Highsmith Mercenary Apprentices	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:05:00 - [645] Well, in fact for me it looks like CCP concedes a minor offence (that BPO thing) to hide the really big stuff: 1.) Getting ingame problems solved by DEVs while other people have to wait for GM response for ages, often with "sorry, can't help you" (it is funny, that BoB stations are suddenly moved to their holding corp, while other alliances get a "no, that isn't possible" from the GM). 2.) Anyone remember the first really big battle in EVE in EC-P8R months ago? Well, BoB got a complete node for that while other alliances later in similar situations got a "sorry, that isn't possible" and died in lagfests. 3.) Unfair information advantages over other players CCP is doing a good obfuscation here. I really hope, the community will not acquiesce that.
seeyouauntie Caldari Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:05:00 - [646] So, BOB has used unfair advanages, and broken the EULA to fight their way to the top. They are undeserving of the position they are in. No matter what anyone says, an advantage is an advantage. It doesn't matter if "they weren't good BPOs". Eve has become fundamentally flawed. The chain of extra isk, inside info, and whatever else this has gained BOB will carry on as long as Eve exists. Something serious has to be done about the blatant cheating. An apology is not good enough. ---------------------------------- EVE-Online Forums:
Tainos Amarria Auxilia Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:06:00 - [647] So you expect us to believe he risked his REAL LIFE JOB for some t2 ammo bpo's and a dictor? Why don't you tell us the whole story, then maybe you can BEGIN to address some of our 'concerns'. BTW, I canceled my sub, at least until I feel like CCP isn't BSing us.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:06:00 - [648] Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) -- Whatever I said I said while drunk and doesn't reflect my alliance or corporation's views.
Babsy Gallente	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:07:00 - [649] So, you can i guess, click on the GOD MODE button and start killing everyone because you have 30 more battleships? EH? I have been around since alpha, always had a suspision on balance. So is there possiblities now, that during the begining game, how can I forget that perhaps the balance of the game was swayed because of GOD MODE? eh? uh.... Usually people join a game server, any game that is, soon as they detect cheaters.. what do they do? They Leave of course. So what is next after that, well, I am trying to understand this complicated matter.. ie... dev/gm (i am not accuing anyone) sells ISK to a player, knowing that's a breach of EULA.. so then the seller, gets upset and bans the person he been selling isk to? Isn't that infringment or entrapment. Very very dissapointed, I hope I can keep pushing the sub button, at least now, I am going down to a single account, why run two.. for what achievment...? just my point of view, not a flame, not a accusation, just a few words, because most are not bringing up the old days... and what happened then, were there gm's involved then also? hmfp.. who will ever know. I sudgest doing the same players get done to them, complete remove the access of the people responsible to their accounts, clean them out, make them start at Zero, and without God Mode this time. doubleposted, sorry posted in wrong place first, my appologizes
Bosie Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:07:00 - [650] This feels like the old "Forum ***** looses to a scam and gets all his ISK back". This really does stink. "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND." ...Winston
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [651] Originally by: Qual HACKER! Ok? Hacked player accounts! Bad! Banned! Anyone who registered at his site should be changing passwords on EVERYTHING the access if they where stupid enough to reuse a pw there. Dont make a hero out of him. He is NOT by any means a hero. I thought BoB liked out of game spies? no?
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [652] Edited by: Plim on 10/02/2007 00:13:10 Please remain constructive - Serathu ([email protected]) Ok, i'll elaborate. Originally by: Vasili Z All these people are just made that they've been pwned by BoB before, trying to hang a whole alliance over something as crummy as a few missiles and a sabre, you guys need to shut up and stop acting like you actually care. If you're literally mad over a sabre bpo and some missiles, you need to go to anger management. BoB owns space because they pwn, not because they have too many sabre's. If you had read the background to this, you would know that it is not simply people get irrate about this specific issue. It is also the fact that members of RKK knew that this guy was a dev and quite possibly had access to information and other things that they shouldn't have. People have the right to get angry about this. People are paying for this game and it dosen't say anything about cheating devs on the box. ----------------- Originally by: BoB forum PR Toxic sludge is good for you.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [653] Originally by: Philo Farnsworth So what would satisfy the bloodlust of the mob? Multiple devs getting fired? Sack the whole team? Seriously, they investigated, they actually found wrong-doing. They reported that wrong-doing. They did so when and how they said they would. What do people want? The fact of the matter is that for some of us it is too late for CCP to do anything about it. Where does the corruption stop? How deep do you have to dig in CCP before you find someone who is completely true to the community? You will never know, because you don't know these people. For all you know it could be a huge scam. It is a business. If a business I trade with bends me over I don't trade with them anymore. That's what CCP did, so they don't get my money anymore. I will see if their reputation continues to go downhill. More of this ** happens and I'm never coming back. They have to prove themselves to me and other paying customers. Maybe I drive a hard bargain, but I don't like people **in' with my money. ~~~~~~~~~ Hi. I'm Rock. Make Eve good for rock. Give me scissor arms!
Photon Lightwielder Amarr Divine Retribution	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [654] -Do I think t20 should be fired? Yes, I can't think of a worse sin in a game such as this. He should be removed, if nothing else it will hopefully discourage future thoughts of doing something like this, and/or maybe discontinue other devs who are doing the same right now. -Do I think CCP has disclosed everything on this matter? No, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. I believe much of what Sephiraa posted might hold water, and the issue about the polaris frig running around moons is very nasty indeed. The allegation about the Sabre BPO was proved right, there is a large chanse in my eyes of other allegations being right aswell.. CCP is knowingly or unkowingly holding back the brunt of the scandal in this case. -When will this end? I believe, if CCP doesn't come totally clear on what has happened regarding devs interfarance in this game, and unban certain players the community will never forgive and forget. All in all the community who lives on this forum might be a small percentage of the total player base, but I do believe that this small percentage is what makes the game what it is. If this small percentage were to leave, maybe some of the other players who do not care about politics, who do not care about grand schemes in eve will step up, maybe not. Maybe we would've seen a totally changed if if the playerbase who make eve what it is right now quit over this case not being put fully out to the light.
Tanis Bastar Caldari Interstitial Incorporated	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [655] Originally by: Vas Arach'ta It was dealt with--incorrectly, mind you--as soon as the infraction was discovered. The only difference between then and now is that its public revelation was accompanied with painful letters of apology from CCP employees, and revealing the measures they took months ago to rectify it. This has been restated several times now. We must be reading different fora. The one I've read says that the infraction was not dealt with "as soon as it was discovered", but rather was discovered, and swept under the rug until exposed by a third party, and there no "measures" taken "months ago" to rectify anything--in fact CCP apparently did absolutely nothing after discovering the cheating scumbag T20--did not remove the BPOs and did not even ban his account from the game. Absolutely amazing!
Akoudoulos Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:08:00 - [656] All this coming out is good, Should CCP fire T20? imo no, greed is something of human nature and must be given a second chance, well put him on the corner with on leg up for some time, and take all his ingame chars away, give him new ones but this time keep a very good eye on him Is T20 the blood we the mob of eve where looking for? Of course not, what we care is eve, there will be good and bad What CCP must do from now on? Get you ** together and continue to work on that wonderfull game, but improve your handling The community of eve is impossible to be heared, and theoreticly impossible to help by any means, dev alts should be kept secret but secret means that we know nothing about them, we cannot check or have logs about their doings, YOU CCP must keep the game clean Another good question, was T20 good at his work? his productivity was what CCP expected? if yes, then i suggest keep that guy on board. CCP the blood of one is not going to solve the problem, and there is a very big one, Gms/ bug hunter/devs (not all ofcourse) abuse their powers to get an unfair advantage, One day i wondered why the hell X guy is so desperate to buy an expanded cargo I bpo? 5 days later they turned tech2 And this is just a recent incident, i can talk all day for stuff that do make sense for one day and the next they do!
Cphil Full Metal Mining Co. EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:09:00 - [657] What elce is there to say... someone F***ed up. i bleave that anyone that hade any sort of involvement with this sould be perma baned. but again it's not my call.... Reguards, Cphil Vice CEO Full Metal Mining Co. EntroPraetorian Aegis
aggro Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:09:00 - [658] THE BIG QUESTION WHERE DO CCP GO FROM HERE 1. All cheaters like t20 need to be banned as stated in ther own policies.BANNED 2. Other people like sir molle who knowly knew about bpos etc BANNED 3. Investigate other dev misconducts ie Why is one scouting poses before a bob war dec INVESTAGATE 4.A third party should conduct their own internal investigation. INVESTIGATE 5.All ill gotten gains from bpo be given back DONE NOW 6.ccp publically state they have a problem with devs cheating but will do all they can to resolve the issue no matter where it leads. DONE NOW CCP you need to act quick to stop this cancer which your dev cheaters have caused before it ruins this great game. HARD DECISIONs NEED TO BE MADE TO STOP THE ROT Where there is trouble you will always find AGGRO
Purvy Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:11:00 - [659] this shows very poorly on CCP's part IMHO, sometimes people make poor decisions, but the way this was handled is a farce. There has been no true punishment, and my bets are that the guy already has another char in RKK in which he pays with timecodes and will continue to try and cheat the system.
ashher	Posted - 2007.02.10 00:12:00 - [660] Make a GM Jovian so it is obvious who they are so there is no mistaking who they are They can be in game alliance, in large corps but it would be so obvious that excepting any gifts from them would be asking for trouble. They can still play, bug hunt etc but not do anything underhand so easily. I feel sorry for all of the BOB pawns whos once great alliance image now has been tainted for ever, no matter what you achieve or have achieved will now never be looked at in the same way and the stink of cheating will always be with you because of a few of your directors - those directors should be banned for it is obvious they knew what was going on and were happy to accept it. BOB membership will be declining as people with integrity will leave BOB as they feel this puts their own integrity in question.

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