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Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:42:00 - [571] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Edited by: Kaimon ValDreth on 22/04/2008 15:37:48 Originally by: eeevans even if ccp outlawed it, i'd love to see anybody be able to prove someone was using bacon - or more importantly, a derivative thereof... ho ho... Great point... I do remember a game once cant remember what its called. Anyway when you started the EXE it scanned your computers active processes. If it found a process named the same as a hack program it instantly banned you. I think it was a CS 1.6 server mod, not sure though. So when you joined the server and auto downloaded the mod or something. Could CCP legally employ that? An active scan of your computers active processes paired up to a list of known hack/cheat programs for insta banning? you start eve and BOOM "we have dectected eve altering content on your computer and we exorcise our right to ban you forever." The one game I know that uses that is Americas Army.Having been a high ranking member of two anti-cheat communities in Americas Army,I can say that the method you are referring to is quite effective. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3
Commander Solo Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:42:00 - [572] Great job CCP. You are slowing killing this game one piece at a time. If this isnt in violation of the EULA and TOS you need to change them so it is. Idiots
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:43:00 - [573] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth While GMs are not atop the ladder at CCP they are still qualified agents of CCP and therefor until otherwise stated their word is the word of CCP Well, a dev also posted in that thread, and he said that we should not take his response as CCP approval. That means they are still evaluating this, which means it's not allowed, and it's not disallowed. To say it's either is lying. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:44:00 - [574] Originally by: Haleuth What about an audible warning when each kernite rock pops, so i can afk mine better. Ummm, I'm pretty sure there already is, actually. Aura (the ship computer, you know?) says "ASTEROID DEPLETED" or some-such, every time. If you have EVE sound on and you mine, you'd know this. The following statements probably represent the opinions of an individual and not necessarily those of their corporation or alliance - just in case you've forgotten to copy & paste the sign
Kaimon ValDreth Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:44:00 - [575] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix STUFF The one game I know that uses that is Americas Army.Having been a high ranking member of two anti-cheat communities in Americas Army,I can say that the method you are referring to is quite effective. I know it rocks because the owning programmer in this case CCP always has access to the same places to public does to get these cheats and can keep their changes in process names up to date. I think it would really work wonders on the MACRO and other cheating issues in this game but hell what do I know
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:45:00 - [576] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Ikki Phoenix I have said it before,it is my personal opinion that no one has a reason to complain because CCP approved that tool Also,I have said that each and every pilot has the right to choose how to play a game from the moment,that said pilot doesn't break any EULA or ToS.And CCP has said that BACON doesn't break the EULA or the ToS You are not being truthful when you imply that CCP have given full and final approval to BACON. Please refer to my earlier response. here is again the quote from the other thread : "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master" The above is good enough, me says. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:45:00 - [577] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth While GMs are not atop the ladder at CCP they are still qualified agents of CCP and therefor until otherwise stated their word is the word of CCP Please read in full instead of forcing people to repeat themselves because of stubborn ignorance. "BACON: Never be surprised again" Vigilance is the player's responsibility! Passing this responsibility to a third-party application is a clear violation of the EULA - Wake up CCP!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:47:00 - [578] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix here is again the quote from the other thread : "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master" The above is good enough, me says. And here is a quote from an actual Dev, a quote you ignore because it shoots your idea out of the water: Originally by: CCP Lingorm I will find out for you. My initial reaction is that there is nothing 'wrong' with this per say. As long as you are only reading the logserver logfiles not the raw log server output. As these files can be delayed in writing, or if you want an immediate write then it takes up more cpu and disk IO that is your call. Please do not take this as CCP approval, but I will go ask the appropriate people and get you a definitive answer. Now kindly stfu. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:49:00 - [579] Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 22/04/2008 15:50:05 Originally by: Ikki Phoenix "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master" The above is good enough, me says. Is it so unclear to you that Grimmi has been careful to indicate that this tentative approval is subject to review? Moreover that the review of BACON is ongoing while the full implications of the software are investigated and realised? Yes, it is fine to use at the moment, but if you think that means the application's future in Eve is certain, you should reconsider. "BACON: Never be surprised again" Vigilance is the player's responsibility! Passing this responsibility to a third-party application is a clear violation of the EULA - Wake up CCP!
Kaimon ValDreth Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:49:00 - [580] Edited by: Kaimon ValDreth on 22/04/2008 15:50:31 Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth While GMs are not atop the ladder at CCP they are still qualified agents of CCP and therefor until otherwise stated their word is the word of CCP Please read in full instead of forcing people to repeat themselves because of stubborn ignorance. Right stubborn ignorance... A lead "GAME MASTER"says and I quote "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate." that is the word of CCP until "WE" = They = CCP as a company? Decide otherwise... whos being stubborn? This post was after the I will go ask higher statement so it is the latest and outweighs the first.
eeevans Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:50:00 - [581] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth I know it rocks because the owning programmer in this case CCP always has access to the same places to public does to get these cheats and can keep their changes in process names up to date. I think it would really work wonders on the MACRO and other cheating issues in this game but hell what do I know yer - but bacon is open source so there'll be a different variant every other day, say hello to BLT, StreakyBacon et al... they could never keep up... they can't check for integrity of their own client code because it's not being altered... there's very little they could do to effectively police it other than change the way the logserver works or is interacted with...
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:51:00 - [582] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth While GMs are not atop the ladder at CCP they are still qualified agents of CCP and therefor until otherwise stated their word is the word of CCP Please read in full instead of forcing people to repeat themselves because of stubborn ignorance. Right stubborn ignorance... A lead "GAME MASTER"says and I quote "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate." that is the word of CCP until "WE" = They = CCP as a company? Decide otherwise... whos being stubborn? Ahhh ffs!!! Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:51:00 - [583] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth While GMs are not atop the ladder at CCP they are still qualified agents of CCP and therefor until otherwise stated their word is the word of CCP Please read in full instead of forcing people to repeat themselves because of stubborn ignorance. Right stubborn ignorance... A lead "GAME MASTER"says and I quote "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate." that is the word of CCP until "WE" = They = CCP as a company? Decide otherwise... whos being stubborn? Please refer to my post above yours. "BACON: Never be surprised again" Vigilance is the player's responsibility! Passing this responsibility to a third-party application is a clear violation of the EULA - Wake up CCP!
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:51:00 - [584] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix The one game I know that uses that is Americas Army.Having been a high ranking member of two anti-cheat communities in Americas Army,I can say that the method you are referring to is quite effective. Really? When I played AA (and not all that long ago) it had a pretty noticeable "false positive" ratio to me. For that reason alone I'd dislike that approach here. One does not want to be entering an epic fleet battle where lag is as deadly as massed Tachyon II's, only to be false-positived of the game by snoop-ware. "Oh no, my frag count!" rates somewhat lower to me in importance than "Oh no, my multi-hundred million ISK fit internet spaceship!". The following statements probably represent the opinions of an individual and not necessarily those of their corporation or alliance - just in case you've forgotten to copy & paste the sign
Kaimon ValDreth Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:53:00 - [585] I agree with you tommy! Fine for now until otherwise stated-- With this kind of outrage i dont suspect it will last
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:53:00 - [586] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 22/04/2008 15:50:05 Originally by: Ikki Phoenix "There does not appear to be any violation of our EULA or TOS here so we believe this should be ok. Please be advised that we will thoroughly investigate any reports that would point to the contrary and reserve the right to change our minds if deemed appropriate. GM Grimmi Lead Game Master" The above is good enough, me says. Is it so unclear to you that Grimmi has been careful to indicate that this tentative approval is subject to review? Moreover that the review of BACON is ongoing while the full implications of the software are investigated and realised? Yes, it is fine to use at the moment, but if you think that means the application's future in Eve is certain, you should reconsider. I have never said that. What I am saying is that as long as CCP approves, no one should be any complaining.And I have said this before: If CCP changes their minds and decide to ban that tool,they will notify the creators of BACON and they will notify the community.And then,and only then,would such a tool be against the EULA,ToS or whatever else. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:54:00 - [587] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth I know it rocks because the owning programmer in this case CCP always has access to the same places to public does to get these cheats and can keep their changes in process names up to date. I think it would really work wonders on the MACRO and other cheating issues in this game but hell what do I know Because its impossible to randomize the process name... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:58:00 - [588] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix I have never said that. What I am saying is that as long as CCP approves, no one should be any complaining.And I have said this before: If CCP changes their minds and decide to ban that tool,they will notify the creators of BACON and they will notify the community.And then,and only then,would such a tool be against the EULA,ToS or whatever else. Why do you persist with the stupid notion that CCP approves of this? In neither of the quoted posts do CCP specifically say "We approve and condone this software". In fact, in one of the posts a dev says "Please don't take this as CCP approval", meaning CCP approval is still pending. All this means that the program IS NOT APPROVED BY CCP at this time. It's not disapproved either, but stop ******* saying it's approved when it's not.
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:58:00 - [589] Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 22/04/2008 16:04:02 Originally by: Ikki Phoenix What I am saying is that as long as CCP approves, no one should be any complaining.And I have said this before: Nonsense! We have every right to complain about the use of a tool that is as destructive as BACON. We do not decide policy, but we can and will complain about the use of tools that violate the EULA and are still under scrutiny. Originally by: Ikki Phoenix If CCP changes their minds and decide to ban that tool,they will notify the creators of BACON and they will notify the community.And then,and only then,would such a tool be against the EULA,ToS or whatever else. In the meantime, a large proportion of the community will continue to signpost why we feel CCP should take action to remove BACON and any similar tool from play. Would you care to actually discuss the application now, or continue to hide behind CCP's tentative approval as complete validation of it? Edit: highlighted changed text - I didn't intend to speak for the whole community..
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:59:00 - [590] Originally by: Kaimon ValDreth I agree with you tommy! Fine for now until otherwise stated-- With this kind of outrage i dont suspect it will last Yea,agree with you.And this raises another issue:players(not just in Eve,but in other games)not willing to accept new tools,new softwares that improve or provide small advantages to everyone and which are legal.
Enkilil Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:00:00 - [591] This thread is now about bickering and attention whorage. /discuss.
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:00:00 - [592] Hum two things spring to mind: You could aggregate all this information with a central server so that somebody could build a map of real time local in every place that a user is. You could then run this against various KB sites to have a good idea what those pilots are flying... Couldn't this same technique be used to shout "doomsday" when a titan load grid and starts to fart?
Kaimon ValDreth Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:02:00 - [593] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Ikki Phoenix What I am saying is that as long as CCP approves, no one should be any complaining.And I have said this before: Nonsense! We have every right to complain about the use of a tool that is as destructive as BACON. We do not decide policy, but we can and will complain about the use of tools that violate the EULA and are still under scrutiny. Originally by: Ikki Phoenix If CCP changes their minds and decide to ban that tool,they will notify the creators of BACON and they will notify the community.And then,and only then,would such a tool be against the EULA,ToS or whatever else. In the meantime, we the community will continue to signpost why we feel CCP should take action to remove BACON and any similar tool from play. Would you care to actually discuss the application now, or continue to hide behind CCP's tentative approval as complete validation of it? They don't approve it they have just said its not in violation as of now. Unfortunately damage is already done those that have it will have it forever. CCP would have to rewrite the log server to invalidate it. Even then if there remains a logserver this program or ones like it will still remain.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:02:00 - [594] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Yea,agree with you.And this raises another issue:players(not just in Eve,but in other games)not willing to accept new tools,new softwares that improve or provide small advantages to everyone and which are legal. I can't respond to you without attacking you personally. I am aware of this, but the reason for it is that every post you make is so insanely stupid, that it's impossible not to mock you sensless. I don't think any of us nay-sayers have trouble accepting new software that gets approved by CCP. We have trouble accepting software that we can easily see is detrimental to the game. BACON is bad for Eve. Software like it is bad for Eve. Macros are bad for Eve. We speak out because we actually care about the game, while you just care about the safety of your pixel ship and the size of your virtual wallet.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:04:00 - [595] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Originally by: Ikki Phoenix What I am saying is that as long as CCP approves, no one should be any complaining.And I have said this before: Nonsense! We have every right to complain about the use of a tool that is as destructive as BACON. We do not decide policy, but we can and will complain about the use of tools that violate the EULA and are still under scrutiny. Originally by: Ikki Phoenix If CCP changes their minds and decide to ban that tool,they will notify the creators of BACON and they will notify the community.And then,and only then,would such a tool be against the EULA,ToS or whatever else. In the meantime, we the community will continue to signpost why we feel CCP should take action to remove BACON and any similar tool from play. Would you care to actually discuss the application now, or continue to hide behind CCP's tentative approval as complete validation of it? Discuss the application?More than willing.I am testing it as we speak and having a few issues uploading a standing list due to my poor coding ability LOL However,my thinking about the application is very simple( and I have already said that too).For me the application is the equivalent to a military radar and i think that such a tool will open new tactical possibilities.I am not able to describe more because I am working on testing the tool
Skyr Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:09:00 - [596] If anything, release of this software will play havoc with eve game play until such time when local is indeed removed. The removal of local is not guarantee either since one will still be able to monitor choke systems if appropriate events get captured when player appears on the grid. Think a covert parked on choke gate etc. This will work even without local. There are, however, other less obvious applications of this, and its derivatives, program. One can fairly easily modify it to capture market order dumps and user order dumps and indicate without any manual work (except perhaps to click an item on market shortcut) if the order is still on top. As far as I know from person experience, others are using this technique for quite some time now.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:09:00 - [597] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Yea,agree with you.And this raises another issue:players(not just in Eve,but in other games)not willing to accept new tools,new softwares that improve or provide small advantages to everyone and which are legal. I can't respond to you without attacking you personally. I am aware of this, but the reason for it is that every post you make is so insanely stupid, that it's impossible not to mock you sensless. I don't think any of us nay-sayers have trouble accepting new software that gets approved by CCP. We have trouble accepting software that we can easily see is detrimental to the game. BACON is bad for Eve. Software like it is bad for Eve. Macros are bad for Eve. We speak out because we actually care about the game, while you just care about the safety of your pixel ship and the size of your virtual wallet. No worries,I don't get offended easily :) I have been in the gaming business for a few years to not take anything personal. If softwares such as BACON are detrimental to the game,CCP will say so and ban it and other similar tools. EveMag:Download Location 2 EveMag:Download Location 3
White Ronin	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:17:00 - [598] Edited by: White Ronin on 22/04/2008 16:18:50 The sound effects are cool actually. YOu can make your own sound files to play when the right people enter the system. Also, the voice is a great touch. And to those that say this is a violation of the "spirit" of the game, so is running alts as scouts. Get over it. Edit - Or two boxing for that matter. Again, get over it. The "spirit" of eve is win at all costs and screw everyone else if you havent noticed. Maybe you are angry cause Bacon does less screwing and actually helps those being screwed. As a solo player, this is pure gold. Thanks guys.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:19:00 - [599] Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here
Euriti Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:28:00 - [600] Originally by: Ikki Phoenix Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 22/04/2008 16:19:49 By the way,if you don't like the BACON,what do you think of the Beetracker read here I'm against this in all its varieties. CCP should close the loophole making this possible (from a programming point of view)

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