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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero "But its already been happening just not publically" Murders happen every day, just mostly not publicaly, that doesnt make it right, because thats what this mod would do to the remaining pvp life in lowsec, Murder it.
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Mayor Nuisance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:46:00 -
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After reading all this whining from all those tough-guy pirates in this thread, I actually take pride in the words "I am a Carebear" :P
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Josh Causto
Gallente Fatalix Inc. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Josh Causto on 20/04/2008 21:48:47
Originally by: Mayor Nuisance After reading all this whining from all those tough-guy pirates in this thread, I actually take pride in the words "I am a Carebear" :P
And I take pride in saying I do not need any third party program to make my game more like Wow.
Originally by: Speed Devil
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Everytime you fit anything other than a laser on our ships, babies die.
and when ya fit lasers on your ships nothing dies
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker Dead
Seriously though, do people really think the aim is to just help farmers? What about industrial corps that are being griefed by wardecers? Why shouldn't they have some type of incoming warning? It's appears the snipers and griefers want all the advantages and none of the disadvantages.
A) No, Industrial corps should NOT have advanced warning, if that warning comes from a 3rd party app. If they want to use alt scouts, well that sucks, but it's part of the game. Eve is NOT supposed to be 100% safe anywhere, which is exactly why gameplay aspects such as suicide ganking have not been nerfed. If CCP wanted people to be 'safe' and to make the game harder for 'griefers' suicide ganks would be the first thing to go, I assure you.
B) 'Griefers' (aka, people who kill others within the gameplay mechanics) do NOT want any advantages. What they want is for the other guy to also not have an unfair advantage. They want a level playing field. Bacon Eliminates that levelness. _____________________________________________________________________________
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Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aurix Lexico on 20/04/2008 22:00:14 It has been said before, but, lame
I know me, and plenty of other people would like an official statement by CCP on this subject.
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: DroneBay Diva
Originally by: Esmenet If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game.
Can I have your stuff?
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Aurix Lexico
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:02:00 -
[247]
hey Elise, what's up?
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Mik kyo
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:03:00 -
[248]
The same people using this app will be the same people using cheats and trainers in other games... born loosers.
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elise Randolph
Originally by: DroneBay Diva
Originally by: Esmenet If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game.
Can I have your stuff?
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Kery Syander
The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:30:00 -
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"If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game."
this. -----
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:50:00 -
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For one, it's third party software. For two, it gives users an advantage over other players. And third, it promotes AFK play, something that CCP has been trying to stamp out for FIVE YEARS.
It's not very often I say this, in fact this might be the first, but it's an absolute disgrace that CCP have even considered making this a valid game tactic.
Sort your policies out CCP, and sort out how you enforce them. The double standards are becoming increasingly annoying.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kery Syander "If this gets approved by CCP i will probably quit the game."
this.
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Agor Dirdonen
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Posted - 2008.04.20 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 20/04/2008 22:58:20
Originally by: Verone
For one, it's third party software. For two, it gives users an advantage over other players. And third, it promotes AFK play, something that CCP has been trying to stamp out for FIVE YEARS.
It's not very often I say this, in fact this might be the first, but it's an absolute disgrace that CCP have even considered making this a valid game tactic.
Sort your policies out CCP, and sort out how you enforce them. The double standards are becoming increasingly annoying.
I'm not defending BACON here but using an Excel sheet to calculate your profits for production so you know what to produce or what to invent also falls under your first two points. Heck, it might even fall under point 3 too as I'm spending more time in Excel then in Eve when I'm going for production/invention.
Same goes for Quickfit, EFT, all calculators that allow you to calculate your ods before you take any action in game.
Anyway, I'm not touching that program with even a stick. Usually the goons keep such things for themselves and now they want us all to install it on our pc's? ... for the sake of the community I'm sure...
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Gandolf
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:02:00 -
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this is a ******** thing k thx
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:03:00 -
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Did you believe you were doing a good thing for the game when you did this? No of course you didn;t ;)
Hopefully CCP will wake up and encript the logs.
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:03:00 -
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Logserver is a pathway to many abilities some would consider... unnatural _
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
I'm not defending BACON here but using an Excel sheet to calculate your profits for production so you know what to produce or what to invent also falls under your first two points. Heck, it might even fall under point 3 too as I'm spending more time in Excel then in Eve when I'm going for production/invention.
Same goes for Quickfit, EFT, all calculators that allow you to calculate your ods before you take any action in game.
Anyway, I'm not touching that program with even a stick. Usually the goons keep such things for themselves and now they want us all to install it on our pc's? ... for the sake of the community I'm sure...
Using a spreadsheet isn't even remotely the same as using this "BACON" crap.
A spreadsheet is effectively a fancy calculator. It's also in no way physically connected to the game client, or it's runtime. It's also not monitoring the information being sent between the client and the game server.
As well as that, a spreadsheet is not a piece of third party software that's been written specifically to provide an advantage over others in game.
I fail to see an even remote resemblence between a spreadsheet full of numbers, and a piece of software that physically monitors what's going on in game in a player's environment and gives them early warnings of impending danger and changes in the status of the system they're in.
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
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Reuser
Gunfleet Logistics Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Anyway, I'm not touching that program with even a stick. Usually the goons keep such things for themselves and now they want us all to install it on our pc's? ... for the sake of the community I'm sure...
1. BACON is Open Source, released under the GPL. At this point, over 100 unique IPs have downloaded the source. You can verify it: we do ONLY what we say we do. 2. Gunfleet Logistics has no relationship to Goonfleet.
Originally by: sakana
Did you believe you were doing a good thing for the game when you did this? No of course you didn;t ;)
One of the many reasons that we released under the GPL was simply Gunfleet Logistics' belief that keeping tools like BACON secret is unfair to the average player. If everyone has BACON, there is no advantage to be gained.
I might also add, we specifically chose to give CCP advance notice of the deal, ask questions about EULA compliance, make CCP suggested changes to our code, and release under the GPL as a guarantee of transparency.
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sesanti
Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
I'm not defending BACON here but using an Excel sheet to calculate your profits for production so you know what to produce or what to invent also falls under your first two points. Heck, it might even fall under point 3 too as I'm spending more time in Excel then in Eve when I'm going for production/invention.
Same goes for Quickfit, EFT, all calculators that allow you to calculate your ods before you take any action in game.
Anyway, I'm not touching that program with even a stick. Usually the goons keep such things for themselves and now they want us all to install it on our pc's? ... for the sake of the community I'm sure...
Using a spreadsheet isn't even remotely the same as using this "BACON" crap.
A spreadsheet is effectively a fancy calculator. It's also in no way physically connected to the game client, or it's runtime. It's also not monitoring the information being sent between the client and the game server.
As well as that, a spreadsheet is not a piece of third party software that's been written specifically to provide an advantage over others in game.
I fail to see an even remote resemblence between a spreadsheet full of numbers, and a piece of software that physically monitors what's going on in game in a player's environment and gives them early warnings of impending danger and changes in the status of the system they're in.
Not to mention if you use a spreadsheet or any other similar app, it's YOU who have to check the stuff ingame and dump it in your sheet, meaning you are ACTIVELY playing the game. It is NOT done by a script, while you are enjoying the latest The Simpsons episode ... _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster -
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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:22:00 -
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The quicker the logs are encrypted, or the way they work altered to kill this thing, and others emulating it, the better. -
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Suboran
Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:24:00 -
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hope ccp kills this tool, it does nothing for the game exept make it 'safer'
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
For one, it's third party software. For two, it gives users an advantage over other players. And third, it promotes AFK play, something that CCP has been trying to stamp out for FIVE YEARS.
It's not very often I say this, in fact this might be the first, but it's an absolute disgrace that CCP have even considered making this a valid game tactic.
Sort your policies out CCP, and sort out how you enforce them. The double standards are becoming increasingly annoying.
This
Originally by: Verone Using a spreadsheet isn't even remotely the same as using this "BACON" crap.
A spreadsheet is effectively a fancy calculator. It's also in no way physically connected to the game client, or it's runtime. It's also not monitoring the information being sent between the client and the game server.
As well as that, a spreadsheet is not a piece of third party software that's been written specifically to provide an advantage over others in game.
I fail to see an even remote resemblence between a spreadsheet full of numbers, and a piece of software that physically monitors what's going on in game in a player's environment and gives them early warnings of impending danger and changes in the status of the system they're in.
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Gunslinger girls
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:30:00 -
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Well, i think Hydra exacly know how aim problem. If u think they are awesome, nice guys and relase this app to everybody without real aim. Then i must say "God people are really dum.". I start thinking how many alliances use similiar app for years. Goonswarm have , so i doubt RA dont have. I saw comment from Razor guy, about him having app to do this same fuction. So some people from Smash must have too. Bob, MC, others aliance dont know about this. I doubt that. Thank you Hydra for showing this. I lived in other word, where everybody have that same chance to kill, survive in this game. Lies and only lies and metagaming. So whats next? If roaming is dead then maybe Duels. Amazing. We have chance to fight like pilots in WWI \o/.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:36:00 -
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To me BACON represents everything that is wrong with the meta gaming community that eve has developed.
It may not be breaking any EULA but it does go against the spirit of what EvE is about to my mind.
Losing ships is a part of what makes eve fun. It adds balance to the sense of elation you get from killing someone, it's the flip side to the adrenaline burst when you escape alive. It's part of the game and yes it can suck and it can really get to you but it's part of the experience.
Using an out of game piece of software in eve to monitor local is like using a mod in an FPS to alert you if an enemy has a gun pointing at you before he can fire so you can move. Lame.
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Luminary Mind
Gallente New Eden Treaty Organisation
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:40:00 -
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Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
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Takeshi Yamato
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:44:00 -
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Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
Nope. Voice comms are part of the game now.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Luminary Mind
Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
Thats just a load of bull****, teamspeak is other PEOPLE feeding intel to you, this is a PROGRAM feeding intel to you that is in REAL TIME on time every time.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Takeshi Yamato
Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
Nope. Voice comms are part of the game now.
team speak is still much more versatile and through than the current implementation of voice in eve.
And voice in eve was not always a thing that existed. So this makes it no different.
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:49:00 -
[269]
Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 20/04/2008 23:46:53
Originally by: Luminary Mind
Quote: It's no more metagame than Teamspeak.
Thats just a load of bull****, teamspeak is other PEOPLE feeding intel to you, this is a PROGRAM feeding intel to you that is in REAL TIME on time every time.
Teamspeak at least requires SOMEONE to be paying attention.
This. Teamspeak requires TEAMWORK (gee, fancy that), whereas Bacon requires....not a whole lot, other being within hearing range of your speakers max settings. _____________________________________________________________________________
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Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.04.20 23:54:00 -
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Add a rat aggro timer.
Make cloaks probable.
They can keep their cute little alarm.
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