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djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff's Vanguard
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Posted - 2008.04.28 12:45:00 -
[871]
I think Bacon is lame,
It reflects on the debate on cloaked ships earlier. I think that local should be removed or at least limited to people who drop a line in local chat window. It raises the stakes somewhat but intensifies the cat and mouse play that makes eve cool.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.04.28 13:01:00 -
[872]
wow all doomed!  |
Gus H
Gallente
Invictus Omega
Invictus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.04.28 15:59:00 -
[873]
Edited by: Gus H on 28/04/2008 16:03:00
I must say that while Local exists and shows everyone in the system then I dont see the gripe with BACON.
However, remove local as is suggested and then BACON and all such programmes need to be disabled.
Being a relative noob with no combat skill to talk about, not being able to see how many people are in local would deter me from flying to low sec.
On an aside...
So, in character, we can fly around the universe skipping from system to system in space ships but our space ships are not able to make sounds when they detect something on radar? 
reminds me of Blakes 7 or 1999 more than what I understand EVE to be tbh 
Edit:
Here's a thought.. why not just disable local for 0.0? It's feasable that CONCORD could transmit data of all ships that pass into a system and then remove that transmision as they leave the system.
0.0 could be the exception... Just a thought..
Regards,
Gus H
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:17:00 -
[874]
Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 28/04/2008 17:17:50
 Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
1.CCP needs to provide proof that no one will ever get special access
How should they prove that? If their saying so isn't enough for you, what would be enough?
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
2.if you are going to be screaming about BACON to be banned,when BACON as of now is legal,I want to see screaming and yelling about those private tools to be banned and their users banned too.
Ok, here's me screaming and yelling about those 'other' private tools. Ban 'em all. Ok?
That is up to CCP to find a way to satisfy the need of proof
and now, one post of " screaming" is not enough if you are to be fair.
What you and the others "screaming" about Bacon being banned should do, is open a new thread requesting the ban of any other similar private tools and use the same energy you have been used to request for Bacon, a legal tool, to be banned
In the meantime, Caesar,could you please fix that file path thing?
EveMag:Download Location 2
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Lona Lwyd
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:18:00 -
[875]
Edited by: Lona Lwyd on 28/04/2008 17:18:20
Would there be a way to make Bacon work with pr 0n? If some one pops into local, I would like to see a naked body with their avatar on, call it free pr 0n, if you will, would be a good idea though IMO.
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:29:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
That is up to CCP to find a way to satisfy the need of proof
and now, one post of " screaming" is not enough if you are to be fair.
What you and the others "screaming" about Bacon being banned should do, is open a new thread requesting the ban of any other similar private tools and use the same energy you have been used to request for Bacon, a legal tool, to be banned
In the meantime, Caesar,could you please fix that file path thing?
Seriously, Ikki, this just reaks of you wanting CCP to just cave in and implement this into the game. There is no way for them to provide evidence to people like you, as you obvioulsy already think there's a huge conspiracy going on. Conspiracy nuts are impossible to please.
As for me opening a new threads about all the 'other' BACON like programs, I think you really need to start reading the thread you are posting in. Virtually every single one of BACONS opponents have said or implied that BACON and every program like it needs to go. This is not a question of denying you the advantages of this tool because we don't like to share. This is about this program being completely outrageously bad for Eve, and that the possible future versions of it will spell the doom of the game. Anyone saying anything else is either a conspiracy nut or setting up a huge straw man for selfish reasons.
Now, please, Ikki. Realise that CCP doesn't want you to use this program. Be a good sport and don't. Otherwise you are branding yourself as a cheater and an exploiter in the eyes of the community. This goes for every proponent of this program. Don't use it. Respect CCP and the community enough not to use cheats like this.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Caecilius Seneca
In terrorem
Penumbra Unleashed
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:57:00 -
[877]
tisk tisk Hydra tisk tisk |
Jimmy Ray
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:33:00 -
[878]
Ki An-
I dare say if CCP dissaproved of this app, we wouldn't be discussing this anymore as they would have explicitly said 'Thou Shalt Not'.
No Guts, No Galaxy!
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Kvirie
Caldari
Children of the Wind
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Posted - 2008.04.28 21:35:00 -
[879]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
And,your point?
Last I checked BACON doesn't modify skills nor fit your ship for you.All it does is provide a warning system equal to the military radar and warning systems
Since you missed my point:
EFT and EVEMon don't automate the game play for you in any way. BACON does in that it watches local for you. EFT would have to ft your ship, and EVEmon would have to swap your skills for them to be in the same group as BACON.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.04.28 22:42:00 -
[880]
I would just like to take a moment to thank Gunfleet Logistics and Hydra Alliance for creating and publicizing the fantastic BACON program. I have been using it for a day or so, and it has already saved my ship and pod.
After setting up BACON and insuring it worked properly (with my own custom Cylon "Warning!" sound from the classic BSG) I set to ratting in one of my Alliance 0.0 home systems. I had JUST started ratting when the warning alert sounded out. I was in the midst of preparing to deploy drones, and even though I had local open and on top I would have missed local at that moment as my eyes were elsewhere in the UI.
Needless to say I didn't bother deploying drones. I warped back to my corp's POS in that system as fast as I could. Which wasn't very fast given that I was using a Domi with no istabs. Not 10 seconds after I landed in the POS who should show up but a red in a Vaga looking for easy kills. Unfortunately, he warped off before the deathstar POS I was in had a chance to lock and pop him. He left the system only a few seconds later.
Had I not had BACON I would have not had enough time to recall my drones and get to the POS. That few seconds discrepancy between the "instant warning of BACON" and "launching the drones, assigning them to a target and then recalling them after noticing local" was the difference between life and death for me that day. This shows the necessity of a BACON-like function in EVE. Why? Because it is just NOT POSSIBLE to keep your eyes on local all the time AND actually PLAY EVE.
THANK YOU BACON! You sure saved mine!
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White Ronin
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:33:00 -
[881]
A lot of people say that this program destroys the spirit of the game.
A lot of things allowed in game from suicide ganking to alts destroy the spirit of the game.
Please define the "spirit of the game" cause that is really a weak generalization based on your point of view about eve. Not fact.
I listened to the podcast of dronebay and one of the speakers on the show used the reason that "you are breaking my gameplay".
And yet how many people have had their "gameplay" broken by other peoples actions ingame? That is a selfish and weak reason to be able to decide how everyone else plays this game.
Remove local and all this will go away.
Until then you are kinda stuck.
And considering many corps have used this type of program before and NOW is the time when people have problems when the general population has access to the tools the elite are using.
Games are played on level playing fields. The playing field is now a bit more level for everyone else.
Thanks.
You can go back to name calling and spitting.
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Lesster
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Posted - 2008.04.28 23:45:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Had I not had BACON I would have not had enough time to recall my drones and get to the POS. That few seconds discrepancy between the "instant warning of BACON" and "launching the drones, assigning them to a target and then recalling them after noticing local" was the difference between life and death for me that day. This shows the necessity of a BACON-like function in EVE. Why? Because it is just NOT POSSIBLE to keep your eyes on local all the time AND actually PLAY EVE.
THANK YOU BACON! You sure saved mine!
This in all honesty says it all. I got into eve to play a graphical space game not to play a text based game with cool back grounds that I just might be able to look at after I peel my eyes away from local. There is no point in staring at local every second. What fun is it. After all this is a game. We are here to have fun. Bacon enhances that fun.
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Ga'len
Wandering Druid of Tranquility
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:15:00 -
[883]
So, tell me, with this program, what is the point of playing this game? Why don't we just let macro programs take over game play completely?
Yeah, this just is not part of the game play that I signed up for,
Before you say it, no, you can't have my stuff. BACON will be made to not work with the EVE client. I can't see CCP allowing this kind of garbage.
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 03:54:00 -
[884]
To those who are defending this piece of **** program.
1. Can you give me an exact reason why this program is good for EVE, and can you also tell me what good things this program brings to EVE? And also give me a reason why that good thing again is good for EVE.
2. Can you give me an extremely good point on why question 1 was very good for you?
3. If your that scared to lose a ship and then use this useless program, then this game is not for you. Maybe WoW is for you, no risk of dying there, just go back to you corpse and continue.
And yes, this program is something that is one of the things that are slowly but surely killing EVE.
THANKS FOR SUPPORTING TO KILL EVE.
But meh, this will be fixed pretty soon anyways. What should you do without it?, i can come and hold your hand and protect you for a price if you want.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:01:00 -
[885]
Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
That is up to CCP to find a way to satisfy the need of proof
and now, one post of " screaming" is not enough if you are to be fair.
What you and the others "screaming" about Bacon being banned should do, is open a new thread requesting the ban of any other similar private tools and use the same energy you have been used to request for Bacon, a legal tool, to be banned
In the meantime, Caesar,could you please fix that file path thing?
Seriously, Ikki, this just reaks of you wanting CCP to just cave in and implement this into the game. There is no way for them to provide evidence to people like you, as you obvioulsy already think there's a huge conspiracy going on. Conspiracy nuts are impossible to please.
As for me opening a new threads about all the 'other' BACON like programs, I think you really need to start reading the thread you are posting in. Virtually every single one of BACONS opponents have said or implied that BACON and every program like it needs to go. This is not a question of denying you the advantages of this tool because we don't like to share. This is about this program being completely outrageously bad for Eve, and that the possible future versions of it will spell the doom of the game. Anyone saying anything else is either a conspiracy nut or setting up a huge straw man for selfish reasons.
Now, please, Ikki. Realise that CCP doesn't want you to use this program. Be a good sport and don't. Otherwise you are branding yourself as a cheater and an exploiter in the eyes of the community. This goes for every proponent of this program. Don't use it. Respect CCP and the community enough not to use cheats like this.
Sorry,but as far as I am concerned, the tool is legal.
Bacon will be illegal the day CCP will come out and say so. Then and only then,the use of such a tool could be called cheating.
Until then, the tool is legal.And like I have said before.If people don't want to use it, that is their right
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:03:00 -
[886]
Originally by: White Ronin
A lot of people say that this program destroys the spirit of the game.
A lot of things allowed in game from suicide ganking to alts destroy the spirit of the game.
Please define the "spirit of the game" cause that is really a weak generalization based on your point of view about eve. Not fact.
I listened to the podcast of dronebay and one of the speakers on the show used the reason that "you are breaking my gameplay".
And yet how many people have had their "gameplay" broken by other peoples actions ingame? That is a selfish and weak reason to be able to decide how everyone else plays this game.
Remove local and all this will go away.
Until then you are kinda stuck.
And considering many corps have used this type of program before and NOW is the time when people have problems when the general population has access to the tools the elite are using.
Games are played on level playing fields. The playing field is now a bit more level for everyone else.
Thanks.
You can go back to name calling and spitting.
Amen to that.
You hit right on target
EveMag:Download Location 2
EveMag:Download Location 3 |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:05:00 -
[887]
Originally by: NightmareX
To those who are defending this piece of **** program.
1. Can you give me an exact reason why this program is good for EVE, and can you also tell me what good things this program brings to EVE? And also give me a reason why that good thing again is good for EVE.
2. Can you give me an extremely good point on why question 1 was very good for you?
3. If your that scared to lose a ship and then use this useless program, then this game is not for you. Maybe WoW is for you, no risk of dying there, just go back to you corpse and continue.
And yes, this program is something that is one of the things that are slowly but surely killing EVE.
THANKS FOR SUPPORTING TO KILL EVE.
But meh, this will be fixed pretty soon anyways. What should you do without it?, i can come and hold your hand and protect you for a price if you want.
Personally I consider the Bacon as the Eve version of a military radar/warning system.In addition,I stronly believe that Bacon will create new tactical opportunities,especially in PVP zones
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:05:00 -
[888]
back in my day we had to cloak alts on the gates and turn the volume up to afk game also bacon is nothing compared to the ratting bot that auto logs on local jump.
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Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:23:00 -
[889]
This public outcry over this pretty handy widget reminds me of apemen who've been cooking over open fire for ages. Someone invents and introduces the gas stove, pots and pans, and the apemen shun the enterprising chap because it makes things 'too easy'.
There's nothing ever wrong with entrepreneurs who strive to make life easier for everyone. It's hardly even a 'haxploit' like some people are claiming it to be. All it's doing is to provide audio data instead of visual.
Keep it up, Cesar Malari. Apemen (or women? for Siigari's case) are mere regressionistas who're afraid of having their positions swiped out from under their feet. Examples: Elderly, incontinent members of the Politburo that still have delusions of being attractive to 15 year-olds and need diapers for their toileting.
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:34:00 -
[890]
Originally by: Davlos
This public outcry over this pretty handy widget reminds me of apemen who've been cooking over open fire for ages. Someone invents and introduces the gas stove, pots and pans, and the apemen shun the enterprising chap because it makes things 'too easy'.
There's nothing ever wrong with entrepreneurs who strive to make life easier for everyone. It's hardly even a 'haxploit' like some people are claiming it to be. All it's doing is to provide audio data instead of visual.
Keep it up, Cesar Malari. Apemen (or women? for Siigari's case) are mere regressionistas who're afraid of having their positions swiped out from under their feet. Examples: Elderly, incontinent members of the Politburo that still have delusions of being attractive to 15 year-olds and need diapers for their toileting.
Look at your corp and alliance affiliations you would support this 
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Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.04.29 07:34:00 -
[891]
Should I be having my care glasses on for a one-man corp mooncalf with a string of closed (read: failed) corps in his employment history?
Sorry mate, not today. One-man shows are better off in Maple Story.
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:24:00 -
[892]
Originally by: Davlos
This public outcry over this pretty handy widget reminds me of apemen who've been cooking over open fire for ages. Someone invents and introduces the gas stove, pots and pans, and the apemen shun the enterprising chap because it makes things 'too easy'.
There's nothing ever wrong with entrepreneurs who strive to make life easier for everyone. It's hardly even a 'haxploit' like some people are claiming it to be. All it's doing is to provide audio data instead of visual.
Davlos, people do not play this game 'to make life easy for themselves'. Most people play this game for the challenge it offers. That is why people react strongly, they fear it will take away from their challenge.
You sound like everyone should use cheats on their computer games giving infinite lives/gold/whatever to make the game easier to play, and should thank the cheat makers because 'they are making life easier for us'. No thank you. I'll rather play on the hardest level I can manage.
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djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff's Vanguard
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:40:00 -
[893]
This program can be used with an alt in a different system to give automated warnings on team speak. So in essence the scout on the gate is automated. It follows that this is nothing more than a macro. Since we all hate macro's it follows that we all hate Bacon.
An exercise in practical logic or so it seems
dj
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Davlos
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.04.29 08:42:00 -
[894]
This is Eve. There're no 'fair fights', no pre-arranged instanced PvP battleground with equal number of players on each side to duke it out for no loss whatsoever, no apologies for any and every advantage possessed for winning. No "I say, good chap. You seem to have put me into hull. Care for me to do the same to you, and then execute a good ol'-fashioned ten-step-pistol duel?"
This isn't an application that is going to put 1 million ISK per jump-in into your wallet. I don't see the logic in lampooning this entrepreneur who wrote a widget that is not much different from having power steering in an automobile. It's the user's choice as to whether he wants that feature in his automobile, or not. But it's going to be a muppet who loudly declares against it because 'real men don't use power steering'. Get a grip.
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
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Hyperforce99
Gallente
Infinite Covenant
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:15:00 -
[895]
this program and they way to works (especially because its open source) allows players to not to pay attention to the game. when someone enters system they easily log off, or warp to a pos, or in best case scenario... respond to the threat.
However, this means that any roaming gangs in 0.0 will be unable to catch targets.
It makes ISK farmers able to automaticly log off or cloak when they sound plays.
It allows scouts in multiple systems to play sounds on teamspeak (HOSTILE HAS ENTERED *system name*) and to do this without anyone even paying attention to the scout clients, they can just be online and you have instant Intel.
Also the note of the OP that the program was approved by CCP is a fabrication. It is not condoned, it only does not violate the UELA... yet.
Devs have stated they are working to make it impossible for this tool to work, EVEN in this single thread.
The only good thing I can see this tool might bring to the game, is that it might incite CCP to put some speed behind the Change of local to a less intel like tool. And that in game mechanics might replace local. Special POS scanning installations or (as has allready been stated could be comming) an improved scanning system (advanced probeing).
BACON however breaks the eve gameplay by allowing players to not actively play the game while they're client is doing risky things, and simply log of when a sound rings. (or even go so far as to let a macro log them off).
My post here is probably going to be slammed, bashed flamed and all the other bad stuff.
But I don't care! 
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Ulitio
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Posted - 2008.04.29 09:15:00 -
[896]
Originally by: Davlos
This is Eve. There're no 'fair fights', no pre-arranged instanced PvP battleground with equal number of players on each side to duke it out for no loss whatsoever, no apologies for any and every advantage possessed for winning. No "I say, good chap. You seem to have put me into hull. Care for me to do the same to you, and then execute a good ol'-fashioned ten-step-pistol duel?"
This isn't an application that is going to put 1 million ISK per jump-in into your wallet. I don't see the logic in lampooning this entrepreneur who wrote a widget that is not much different from having power steering in an automobile. It's the user's choice as to whether he wants that feature in his automobile, or not. But it's going to be a muppet who loudly declares against it because 'real men don't use power steering'. Get a grip.
A-men brother.
I have to say, this app impresses me(providing it works as advertised of course)
It is the sort of thing that to me is similar to warp to zero. It gives you something that should be there and that should make your life easier, and at the same time, won't really hurt even the ones gunning after you, once they adjust providing they're good.
Its the type of app that means I may keep playing EvE.
Good job
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NightmareX
Quam Singulari
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:16:00 -
[897]
Edited by: NightmareX on 29/04/2008 10:23:42
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Originally by: NightmareX
To those who are defending this piece of **** program.
1. Can you give me an exact reason why this program is good for EVE, and can you also tell me what good things this program brings to EVE? And also give me a reason why that good thing again is good for EVE.
2. Can you give me an extremely good point on why question 1 was very good for you?
3. If your that scared to lose a ship and then use this useless program, then this game is not for you. Maybe WoW is for you, no risk of dying there, just go back to you corpse and continue.
And yes, this program is something that is one of the things that are slowly but surely killing EVE.
THANKS FOR SUPPORTING TO KILL EVE.
But meh, this will be fixed pretty soon anyways. What should you do without it?, i can come and hold your hand and protect you for a price if you want.
Personally I consider the Bacon as the Eve version of a military radar/warning system.In addition,I stronly believe that Bacon will create new tactical opportunities,especially in PVP zones
If you are that crap to PVP that you need that, then you suck terribly tbh. No the BEACON wont have any effect on the PVP itself WHEN you attack, but what about roaming gangs?. They will never find any targets if many are using this app.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.04.29 10:38:00 -
[898]
I'd like to point out to any of the devs reading this thread, it was Oveur's position during the 5th alliance tourney, IIRC, that "local should not be used as an intel tool".
But at the moment, it is. People using BACON to allow some other program to be vigilant for them, macroers in 0.0 logging off the moment people enter the system, alt scouts stationed cloaked in strategic systems that allow intel to be relayed easily.
Guys and girls, it needs to go. Let the neglected constellation chat replace it, where you don't show up unless you speak, and reward human players for being able to scout well. It is also an incentive that allows you to take heavier ships, as you have to rely on speed to survive in 0.0 atm - however, give the option for real surprise to occur, and raids with heavier ships will become more viable.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
i'm not a very good gambler 
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Ki An
Gallente
Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.29 13:55:00 -
[899]
Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Sorry,but as far as I am concerned, the tool is legal.
Bacon will be illegal the day CCP will come out and say so. Then and only then,the use of such a tool could be called cheating.
Until then, the tool is legal.And like I have said before.If people don't want to use it, that is their right
Which is why I said "in the eyes of the community". You are as much of a cheater as a logger. I really hope BRUCE is happy about the public stance you have taken on this issue. Now it is widely known that BRUCE supports macros and loggers. GG Ikki.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 14:36:00 -
[900]
has this software died yet? cause it should and should never be allowed
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