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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:13:00 -
[1111]
Originally by: Orree
Why yes, I do. Between 75-100m for a large tower, depending upon how fitted, in sov 1+ (where the vast majority of our towers are located). We have 55 large towers in total.
I think you're confusing the cost per week, with the cost per month... doh
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:14:00 -
[1112]
Can I get their stuff???
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:14:00 -
[1113]
This brief interlude because I care about Orree's sanity
Originally by: Mr Manufacture Unsubstantiated and uninformed accusations by an anonymous alt
An alt: http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/Mr%20Manufacture/page/4
Who posted this: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/488235
(A chatlog between the character 'O Thief' and the character 'crazy bear' in which 'O Thief' gets scammed out of a t2 BPO)
Further on in the thread our (now less) anonymous alt posts this:
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
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I mean, I accept just about everything thrown my way, but drawn the line at losing out on a technicality of which I was unaware and not warned by the auction system.
So who is O Thief, could it possibly be someone with a grudge aginst RAWR?
http://www.eve-search.com/history/O%20Thief
Quote: 2008-01-25 11:14:00 O Thief The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
Another one of those (minority) of Insurgency members who let down the alliance.
Say hello to Butter Dog for me please O Thief. You must know him well since your employment histories are so similar.
Now I feel dirty and must shower. Thankyou once again Chribba. _
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Comrade Fox
Birth Control Defects
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:14:00 -
[1114]
Where was this gigantic, fascist ban-hammer when Band of Brothers was blatantly cheating. From what I understand, most parties involved in those incidents are still playing. I have a few questions I'd like answered by CCP about the current 'crisis':
1.What level of involvement in the corporate use of the exploit levied the bans?
2.Was there any consideration at all, or was the ban-hammer the only option on the table for every corp-member weather involved in the exploit or not.
4. Has CCP considered the chance that there were legitimate spy-alts in the banned corporations (also not benefiting from the corporation's exploits) who had their main and other accounts banned.
4. Not all members of a corporation have access to corp hangars or stations, not at all benefiting from this exploit, and had ALL their accounts banned, and some not even aware of the actions of others in their corp. Under what circumstances would CCP reinstate these accounts?
5.Granted, this exploit wasn't exactly a secret, but corporation members with lesser roles often do not have access to off-site message boards or mailing lists where most corporations conduct private business, and so would not/could not know there was exploiting. Did CCP attempt to inform the affected accounts that their corporations were exploiting?
Thank you, Fox
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Julian Grey
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:14:00 -
[1115]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: GuntiNDDS http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showpost.php?p=282164&postcount=187
Originally by: Baumi Aber es hat mich eh gewundert das es so lange nicht rausgekommen ist, sogar ich weiŻ seit nber nem Jahr das das geht
Originally by: Translation But it surprised me it wasn't disclosed for so long, even I have known for over a year that it (the Pos exploit) is possible
Corp: Free Space Ranger - Morsus Mihi [/code]
ker-ching
hate to say I told you so...
If you're implying Baumi has exploited, how come he is still active and in FSR.....and how come FSR is still active
MM has very few member corps....so if one of those corps got caught cheating, it would be common knowledge in no time at all.
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Norwood Franskly
Minmatar Fleet of the Damned Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:15:00 -
[1116]
Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 11/12/2008 21:17:09 Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 11/12/2008 21:15:33
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: GuntiNDDS http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showpost.php?p=282164&postcount=187
Originally by: Baumi Aber es hat mich eh gewundert das es so lange nicht rausgekommen ist, sogar ich weiŻ seit nber nem Jahr das das geht
Originally by: Translation But it surprised me it wasn't disclosed for so long, even I have known for over a year that it (the Pos exploit) is possible
Corp: Free Space Ranger - Morsus Mihi [/code]
ker-ching
hate to say I told you so...
you just got trolled
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eve-online.de%2Fforum%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D282164%26postcount%3D187&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
I think... online translators anyone speak German?
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Julian Grey
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:16:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: Blazde This brief interlude because I care about Orree's sanity
Originally by: Mr Manufacture Unsubstantiated and uninformed accusations by an anonymous alt
An alt: http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/Mr%20Manufacture/page/4
Who posted this: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/488235
(A chatlog between the character 'O Thief' and the character 'crazy bear' in which 'O Thief' gets scammed out of a t2 BPO)
Further on in the thread our (now less) anonymous alt posts this:
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
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I mean, I accept just about everything thrown my way, but drawn the line at losing out on a technicality of which I was unaware and not warned by the auction system.
So who is O Thief, could it possibly be someone with a grudge aginst RAWR?
http://www.eve-search.com/history/O%20Thief
Quote: 2008-01-25 11:14:00 O Thief The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
Another one of those (minority) of Insurgency members who let down the alliance.
Say hello to Butter Dog for me please O Thief. You must know him well since your employment histories are so similar.
Now I feel dirty and must shower. Thankyou once again Chribba.
LOL Bitterdog got PWNED !!!!
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:17:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: Norwood Franskly Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 11/12/2008 21:15:33
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: GuntiNDDS http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showpost.php?p=282164&postcount=187
Originally by: Baumi Aber es hat mich eh gewundert das es so lange nicht rausgekommen ist, sogar ich weiŻ seit nber nem Jahr das das geht
Originally by: Translation But it surprised me it wasn't disclosed for so long, even I have known for over a year that it (the Pos exploit) is possible
Corp: Free Space Ranger - Morsus Mihi [/code]
ker-ching
hate to say I told you so...
you just got trolled
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eve-online.de%2Fforum%2Fshowpost.php%3Fp%3D282164%26postcount%3D187&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
and you just relied on internet translation, which is always accurate
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Kitt JT
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:18:00 -
[1119]
I haven't been able to log in for a couple days now. Nothing on my pc has changed, and im pretty sure my internet's working (im posting here)
Really hope they didnt mistake an account name or something :P
seriously though. i dont know, i think T2 stuff should cost a lot more than it does right now, i mean most meta 4 things are like 2-10x more expensive than the T2 items. Dont think it should work like that. I personally wouldnt mind banning those people, and leaving the economy ALONE.
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Renfrew Shrufan
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:18:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Lady Oracle This thread is reminding me of CAOD, with some of the accusations tossed about.
No kidding, why hasn't this thread been locked for uselessness yet?
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Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:19:00 -
[1121]
On the lighter side of things, I just had this vision of a CCP Janitor dusting off the origional Eve Server, plugging in a backup from a few years ago, and wandering the Eve Universe as it was trapped in time. No players, just a bored Janitor chomping on his lunch while roaming from system to system looking for exploit towers. Naming and Shaming individuals with irrefutable proof.
I'd pay to be able to play that game.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:19:00 -
[1122]
Originally by: Julian Grey
Originally by: Blazde This brief interlude because I care about Orree's sanity
Originally by: Mr Manufacture Unsubstantiated and uninformed accusations by an anonymous alt
An alt: http://www.eve-search.com/search/author/Mr%20Manufacture/page/4
Who posted this: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/488235
(A chatlog between the character 'O Thief' and the character 'crazy bear' in which 'O Thief' gets scammed out of a t2 BPO)
Further on in the thread our (now less) anonymous alt posts this:
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
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I mean, I accept just about everything thrown my way, but drawn the line at losing out on a technicality of which I was unaware and not warned by the auction system.
So who is O Thief, could it possibly be someone with a grudge aginst RAWR?
http://www.eve-search.com/history/O%20Thief
Quote: 2008-01-25 11:14:00 O Thief The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
Another one of those (minority) of Insurgency members who let down the alliance.
Say hello to Butter Dog for me please O Thief. You must know him well since your employment histories are so similar.
Now I feel dirty and must shower. Thankyou once again Chribba.
LOL Bitterdog got PWNED !!!!
oh please, that tard isnt even subbed
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:20:00 -
[1123]
Originally by: Jose Jimenez
Wanna take a bet if any operations,titan, pos or member of the alliance you are lying about was funded by this? Wanna put up 10-20B in it? count me in against your bet if you have anything except big mouth to support these lies you make and relax kiddo, you are way to much stressed about being beaten by mm ingame.
I'd take up your bet
How many billions shall we go into?
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:20:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: Jana rockefeller Quote "if i were a multi millionaire in real life i would prolly have been buying and selling GTC for the 3/4 years i been playing."
What if these POS operators were buying GTC's with their ill-gotten gains and selling them for RL $$???? that busts the whole GTC system wide open! geez....im dreading to think whats gonna happen in the next few days. I already see disbanded corps with 0 members on DOTLAN...
What is DOTLAN?
Could you please list the disbanded corps?
Thanks
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:21:00 -
[1125]
MY SINGLE QUESTION IS THIS.
Why should I keep playing this game, when after 3 years I actually had to work to earn my keep, while others were just allowed to do it the easy way?
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:22:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Orree
Why yes, I do. Between 75-100m for a large tower, depending upon how fitted, in sov 1+ (where the vast majority of our towers are located). We have 55 large towers in total.
I think you're confusing the cost per week, with the cost per month... doh
Erm no? Fuel for a large pos costs around 250k isk per hour. That is roughly 6 mil per day, that is 180 mil per month. If you have sources for cheap isotopes/ozone then the costs are reduced a lot. Also sov gives you some fuel bonus.
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Felix Underwood
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:22:00 -
[1127]
All this speculation and finger pointing is a waste of time. CCP should jump in and give a list of everything they know as of now and continue to update their customers what they are doing about. The information they have given thus far is so vague it breeds speculation, and distrust with their customers.
What are they trying to protect? It seems like the t2 bpo problem from years ago. Oh btw what happened to the bpo's that were handed out?
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:22:00 -
[1128]
Originally by: Mojo Lux Wow, this thread delivers. So it would appear that some folks tripped over the effects of poorly written code and decided to make mountains of ISK from it. Well after the fact CCP learns of this, not from their own efforts as one might hope, but from a player.
You can just picture the sceen at CCP...somewhere in Iceland there was a manager or maybe a director knocking on a VP's door with "Ummm boss, we've got a little problem..." About an hour after that some very senior people at CCP were staring at the walls of their offices, or had their heads in their hands while thinking "OMG, this is going to just *suck*" or "I wonder if this kind of crap happens to Blizzard?", "I should have been a dentist".
This is only going to get better. Time to stock up on popcorn!
No.. I assume there will be just a single sentence in that room.
Moar Beer ?
Just a sidenote,
I checked in the quarterly economic newsletter, the average net growth of available money (isk faucets - sinks) in the 3rd quarter of 07 was about 170 billion / isk day, with an average daily trade volume of 2.1 trillion isk.
What numbers would merit the statistics & research teams assessment that the "effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching" ?
I know .. patience.. but I am to damn curious :)
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:25:00 -
[1129]
Originally by: Comrade Fox Where was this gigantic, fascist ban-hammer when Band of Brothers was blatantly cheating. From what I understand, most parties involved in those incidents are still playing. I have a few questions I'd like answered by CCP about the current 'crisis':
Thank you, Fox
Sometimes group punishement is required to maintain social order, especially, when one relies on self report as a major portion of your crime control. So I don't see this as fascist.
The purpose of punishment is not only the justice aspect to punish the guilty, but also the deterent factor to the might want to do it in the future.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:26:00 -
[1130]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief Well its great to see the 'holier than thou' comments in this thread. Cmon seriously if you would of known about this you would of done it yourselves, without the slightest consideration for the 'market' or anything else, except lining your own pockets..
Now is it exploit? Well no not at all - you are use the game mechanics to your advantage.
If its anyones fault then its CCPs for developing it that way, I mean for god sake they people who did it even sent a petition to CCP!! CCP did nothing! So whos fault is it.??? I mean you ban ppls accounts when they warned you about the problem and they are working to the games mechanics.
CCP you developed it, and you ignored it...the blame is on your shoulders...dont use these people as scapegoats...
No I wouldn't, stop your lies Defender of The Guilty. Some of us actually wants fairplay. This post clearly tells us you are definately not one of those people, lol.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:26:00 -
[1131]
"banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question"
This isn't making a dent in the player base of the alliances in question. It will put a dent in their wallets.
The real question is what happened to ships that had been built for alliance members using this exploit? You would think the alliances would have done a good job of isolating themselves from an exploit like this. If CCP pulls the value of each of those ships used over the course of four years out of people's wallets, half the players in the game will be in trouble. How do they identify who benefited from this? I still have isk in my wallet, so I assume no one I knew benefited.
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BlondieBC
Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:27:00 -
[1132]
Originally by: Jana rockefeller Quote "if i were a multi millionaire in real life i would prolly have been buying and selling GTC for the 3/4 years i been playing."
What if these POS operators were buying GTC's with their ill-gotten gains and selling them for RL $$???? that busts the whole GTC system wide open! geez....im dreading to think whats gonna happen in the next few days. I already see disbanded corps with 0 members on DOTLAN...
If someone was selling for RL money, they probably are retired now.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:30:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem MY SINGLE QUESTION IS THIS.
Why should I keep playing this game, when after 3 years I actually had to work to earn my keep, while others were just allowed to do it the easy way?
My question too, but as always CCP will cover it up and eventually everyone will move on.
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FOl2TY8
Scorpion's Sting
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:30:00 -
[1134]
WAIT!!! I have just read almost the entire thread and I have one question for you guys. YOU CAN MINE MOONS?!?!?!??!??!
this game is awesome.... ---------- The six paths and the four lives.... |
Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:31:00 -
[1135]
/me rattles pitchfork
Errr... Burn The T2 BPO's? I'm feeling it in my bones - they were involved in shady schemes of printing isk while all the rest had to do the hard work for their everyday isk.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:32:00 -
[1136]
Originally by: Orree These are Shiva numbers.
Scattered around Branch, Venal, Lonetrek and Tribute, we have about 111 towers of all sizes...about half of which are offline placeholders. I got confirmation that our monthly fuel bill is about 5b. As I said...I'm more than willing to assume a conservative 8b to prove a point.
Thank you.
From my experience, 10 larges runs around 1.5B for 4 weeks of fuel, meaning 5B would cover around 33 large online towers and 8B would cover about 53 large online towers. Again, those are estimates for large online towers, smaller or offlined towers would obviously require less ISK, and ice could have been mined as well to reduce costs.
Either way, assuming all "450" towers were large and online, which would indeed be insane, we're talking about 67.5B in fuel per month. Even that insane amount could be farmed out of legitimate moon mining and/or reactions.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:33:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: Jelek Coro
Originally by: Venkul Mul
So you searched for anything with POS exploit and a member of Ev0ke?
From the contest, time and petitions argument (ship reimbursement) he was speaking of the bug where it was possible to fire against a ship within a POS bubble.
So nice work creating a story from thin air.
I would stop digging yourself a hole.
The CEO on the banned corp in Evoke has said he (they) did it from when it was posted back in 2005. Read kug's site where he can be found (since he cannot post here anymore).
Evoke now carry the label of exploiters. Burn them!!!!!!
Why? He pick a post out of contest, and put it up as proof of something. The whole thread in question is about ship reinbursement, ke speak of suffering from a POS exploit and at the time is was possible through a bug to fire at a ship within a POS bubble (something about using passive targeting system, it seem).
Quote: Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy :) because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost... Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS. Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work. </understatement> PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
"Suffered from POS exploit." "Frapped it."
Look some other thread about the same time. Those work come up often, almost always about firing trough POS shields. Seeing your age you should remember the threads about that exploit.
Sure, you prefer to link a random post with some vaguely appropriate word at the current situation, but I am pretty convinced that the post in question has nothing to do with the current exploit.
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Imperian
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:34:00 -
[1138]
Originally by: BlondieBC
Originally by: Jana rockefeller Quote "if i were a multi millionaire in real life i would prolly have been buying and selling GTC for the 3/4 years i been playing."
What if these POS operators were buying GTC's with their ill-gotten gains and selling them for RL $$???? that busts the whole GTC system wide open! geez....im dreading to think whats gonna happen in the next few days. I already see disbanded corps with 0 members on DOTLAN...
What is DOTLAN?
Could you please list the disbanded corps?
Thanks
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:35:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: Talsha Talamar
Originally by: Mojo Lux Wow, this thread delivers. So it would appear that some folks tripped over the effects of poorly written code and decided to make mountains of ISK from it. Well after the fact CCP learns of this, not from their own efforts as one might hope, but from a player.
You can just picture the sceen at CCP...somewhere in Iceland there was a manager or maybe a director knocking on a VP's door with "Ummm boss, we've got a little problem..." About an hour after that some very senior people at CCP were staring at the walls of their offices, or had their heads in their hands while thinking "OMG, this is going to just *suck*" or "I wonder if this kind of crap happens to Blizzard?", "I should have been a dentist".
This is only going to get better. Time to stock up on popcorn!
No.. I assume there will be just a single sentence in that room.
Moar Beer ?
Just a sidenote,
I checked in the quarterly economic newsletter, the average net growth of available money (isk faucets - sinks) in the 3rd quarter of 07 was about 170 billion / isk day, with an average daily trade volume of 2.1 trillion isk.
What numbers would merit the statistics & research teams assessment that the "effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching" ?
I know .. patience.. but I am to damn curious :)
market export data and market reports mean nothing if the materials never make it on to the market. Private trading/contracts/etc does not equal market info.
But yes, the isk has to come from somewhere.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Orree
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:35:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: NATMav
Originally by: Orree These are Shiva numbers.
Scattered around Branch, Venal, Lonetrek and Tribute, we have about 111 towers of all sizes...about half of which are offline placeholders. I got confirmation that our monthly fuel bill is about 5b. As I said...I'm more than willing to assume a conservative 8b to prove a point.
Thank you.
From my experience, 10 larges runs around 1.5B for 4 weeks of fuel, meaning 5B would cover around 33 large online towers and 8B would cover about 53 large online towers. Again, those are estimates for large online towers, smaller or offlined towers would obviously require less ISK, and ice could have been mined as well to reduce costs.
Either way, assuming all "450" towers were large and online, which would indeed be insane, we're talking about 67.5B in fuel per month. Even that insane amount could be farmed out of legitimate moon mining and/or reactions.
...and so my assertion is proved to be completely on the money and his assertion of 135bn is found to be complete nonsense. Thank you.
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