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Mzr Gallente Session9 Malum Exuro	Posted - 2009.01.16 01:49:00 - [841] Edited by: Mzr on 16/01/2009 01:55:34 Edited by: Mzr on 16/01/2009 01:52:27 Agreed with what's here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=971997&page=17#498 1. COLLLECT STATISTICS ABOUT WHAT YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS WANT. If they wanna play the classic version then YES YOU SHOULD WORK TWICE AS HARD TO DELIVER BOTH. Don't give us ambulation and some other stupidities, that nobody asked for. 2. Premium is still crashing a lot. Running multiple accounts on it like we do in classic it's not possible. 3. If my RL friends decide to leave due to this, then I will go with them. Too bad we just decided to spank up (and payed) a new account for a full year for dread/carrier training. Having phun in Q2, Q3A, Soldat and Starcraft1 is back just around the corner. Nobody asked you for shiny graphics, we were OK with it as long as we could chose. I personally played the premium for 15min, then never again. You will lose a lot of people if you drop classic. Work harder, keep the 2 clients, satisfy your loyal customers and everyone will win from this. We - enjoying our eve experience, you - the money. Remember who stood by your side when you guys were beta and financial success was not in sight. Work harder - there's your answer.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 01:57:00 - [842] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Solanio My concern ist that CCP is driving this game more and more towards shiny and unneeded beautiful, instead of putting the same money into hardware upgrades, content additions, bug fixing, etc. We are also putting a lot of resources into that: Re-factoring and performance enhancements, StacklessIO, Jita fixes, EVE64, hardware improvements and UI performance improvements. None of that is much good if you can no longer play though, is it? Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:02:00 - [843] Originally by: Marcus Arelios Edited by: Marcus Arelios on 15/01/2009 22:05:23 Newegg: Can get a SM3 video card for $20, barely higher than one month of EVE. You can't expect CCP to keep paying and wasting time maintaining software that is outdated while the rest of the world keeps advancing. Can you think of any other game company in the world that is maintaining SM1 software? Not likely. Let alone one that is maintaining two versions of the same game for that hardware. You, my friend, tell me that you have never heard about the game they call World of Warcraft? World of Warcraft still keeps to its very first system requirements while also being able to be tuned up with features on the newest hardware. And i don't like it to play a game technical inferior to WoW because it is unable to run like it used to be. Might aswell play WoW on my belowed SM1 machines then...
PiratesRcowards	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:04:00 - [844] Originally by: Mzr Edited by: Mzr on 16/01/2009 01:55:34 Edited by: Mzr on 16/01/2009 01:52:27 Agreed with what's here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=971997&page=17#498 1. COLLLECT STATISTICS ABOUT WHAT YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS WANT. If they wanna play the classic version then YES YOU SHOULD WORK TWICE AS HARD TO DELIVER BOTH. Don't give us ambulation and some other stupidities, that nobody asked for. 2. Premium is still crashing a lot. Running multiple accounts on it like we do in classic it's not possible. 3. If my RL friends decide to leave due to this, then I will go with them. Too bad we just decided to spank up (and payed) a new account for a full year for dread/carrier training. Having phun in Q2, Q3A, Soldat and Starcraft1 is back just around the corner. Nobody asked you for shiny graphics, we were OK with it as long as we could chose. I personally played the premium for 15min, then never again. You will lose a lot of people if you drop classic. Work harder, keep the 2 clients, satisfy your loyal customers and everyone will win from this. We - enjoying our eve experience, you - the money. Remember who stood by your side when you guys were beta and financial success was not in sight. Work harder - there's your answer. Well, I think CCP has access to all those statistics (at least they should know a bit more than we do about who's running which client). - If they think 5% of the user base will be affected, yet they will save 10% on operating costs, then it's in their best interests to lose that 5% of the base. They net 5% profit out of it. On top of that, 5% of the user base being affected doesn't mean 5% will leave. Means maybe 1-2% will leave and the rest will upgrade. So it's an "I win" button for CCP either way. As was mentioned before; For us it's a game, for CCP it's a business. Their goal is not to make life more enjoyable for you, that is only a byproduct of them doing what they need to do to make more money.
PiratesRcowards	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:11:00 - [845] Originally by: Doublewhopper Originally by: Marcus Arelios Edited by: Marcus Arelios on 15/01/2009 22:05:23 Newegg: Can get a SM3 video card for $20, barely higher than one month of EVE. You can't expect CCP to keep paying and wasting time maintaining software that is outdated while the rest of the world keeps advancing. Can you think of any other game company in the world that is maintaining SM1 software? Not likely. Let alone one that is maintaining two versions of the same game for that hardware. You, my friend, tell me that you have never heard about the game they call World of Warcraft? World of Warcraft still keeps to its very first system requirements while also being able to be tuned up with features on the newest hardware. And i don't like it to play a game technical inferior to WoW because it is unable to run like it used to be. Might aswell play WoW on my belowed SM1 machines then... That last statement is actually a bit false. - WOW may not have formally increased their system requirements (or maybe they did, I don't know), but I can tell you (having experienced it!), the expansions need more powerful computers to run. Ran the original WOW fine but when Outlands came out, I couldn't play on my PC anymore. Shattrah and the other "busy" places were too choppy on my PC. Now that Northrend came out and Darlahan is a hub, that chops too. Also remember that CCP said they would have a "lite" version of the "premium" graphics...AKA; if you can run classic mode today, you'll ALMOST CERTAINLY be able to play the new "lite" version. Only a very few who can BARELY run the classic mode today won't be able to run the new one. If your system is not completely ancient, you should be fine. And if you're playing on a laptop with an integrated video card, you shouldn't be playing games in the first place. Get a laptop with a better video card and less CPU/RAM (ends up being the same price and you can now play games properly)
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:21:00 - [846] well to be honest i'm gonna loose a laptop or 2 to play eve BUT i m all for change and advancing technologie so i needed a reason to buy a x290 when it comes out anyways so this just took the burden of deciting off of me TVM
Solanio	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:25:00 - [847] Regarding statistics: My GPU supports SM3, so it seems I am not affected by these upcoming changes, nevertheless discontinueing classic and forcing premium could mean exactly that I will stop playing EVE. That would mean 3 accounts less money for CCP. Discontinueing classic content and hence increasing minimum specs will never increase subscription numbers. This cost saving measure may or may not hit back very hard, much more than can be estimated by only taking statistics into account.
Hawk TT Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:26:00 - [848] Originally by: Aleyra Mel Edited by: Aleyra Mel on 14/01/2009 09:56:34 You seem relly happy Hawk TT telling people to just go buy new PC, while you are ok with your uber duper machine. Point is that some people have other priorities in life and EVE is not one of the top. I for example only support SH2. No i dont think im gonna buy a new PC for just EVE. And no i wont give 300USD to buy a second hand almost crap PC jsut to be able to play a game. ight now. The people that without them EVE would have bankrupt years ago...[/b] 40 USD for a SM 3.0 AGP Card to upgrade your 6 years old PC and your finances would be ruined? or 30 USD for a SM 4.1 PCIe Card to upgrade your integrated graphics PC? I agree that NetBooks like Asus EEE would have difficulties running the EVE client, but I am going slightly mad when I read posts like "I will not be able to run 3 EVE clients at the same time anymore...I have 2-3 old machines and I can't upgrade all of them"... P.S. My "suppa-duppa machine" is an old Core 2 Duo 1.86GHz w/ 2Gigs of RAM and I run 4 EVE clients all the time. If an EVE player could not afford spending 30-40 USD for a video card, how could he/she afford paying for the subscription? And yeah, by the way I live in Bulgaria - the poorest country in EU with AVERAGE MONTHLY SALARY OF 280 EUR. MONTHLY, NOT WEEKLY OR DAILY! SORRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO STILL USES SM 2.0 video card apart from the ATM machine 'round the corner... ___________________________________ Science & Diplomacy Manager @ BECKS The OSS
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:28:00 - [849] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 02:33:35 what you whining about??? tell me wth is the difference i get more fps with the premium then with the classic and why you guys incist on using aincent hardware that keeps the devs from further developing the game and also keep us from more shinyness .....for gods sake spend the 79 bucks on 8600 or 127$ on a 9600 from evga 280 euro WOW i do not know how you live with that i take my hat of my head for that
Rodrigo Talavera	Posted - 2009.01.16 02:56:00 - [850] I think its great to be streamlining everything for you guys. I also think there will be very few people actually missing sm1. On the other hand sm2 would be missed more i think. The intel integrated GFX 950 is in a lot of laptops and its not as if you can just replace those as easily as you can on a desktop. I know alot of the new netbooks which I use when traveling to log in have the GMA 945 and such.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:03:00 - [851] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 03:05:45 but also as you might know most laptops in the 400-800 $ range are not made for gaming (imho laptops in general are not designed for hardcore games ) and i can t blame ccp for moving on while also trying to save some money. as somebody before said economy is bad everywhere and even a company like ccp feels the sting. i think it is more then fair that they move on to something that saves them some money even while loosing some stubbern customers that want to hang on to their aincent hardware instead of upgrading some of their hardware also they re giving us a year head start on upgrading
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:17:00 - [852] Originally by: zombu2 Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 03:05:45 but also as you might know most laptops in the 400-800 $ range are not made for gaming (imho laptops in general are not designed for hardcore games ) and i can t blame ccp for moving on while also trying to save some money. The issue isn't that they aren't made for gaming, the issue is that CCP's CURRENT player-base, and a sizeable portion of their potential player-base are using them RIGHT NOW. Like a good portion of the 85 million or so laptops sold in the last 3 years and a lot of the desktops (which have those same GMA 945 graphics). You really think a potential customer is going to buy Eve to try it if they have to upgrade their machine first? Especially when all their friends are raving about WoW and it plays on their machine just fine? CCP is basically saying "We are planning on telling you to go buzz off, we don't want your money". And a lot of the customers they are trying to attract also. It makes no sense either to add a feature that alleviates the current problem (two clients) and then 6-8 months later REMOVE that feature. We aren't whining about SM 1 disappearing; we are saying that a it is stupid to alienate a good chunk of your current base and potential base by discounting your "average" computers built in the last 3-4 years, computers which make up the majority of the same people you are trying to attract.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:31:00 - [853] you talking about intel extreme integrated chipsets i m sorry but if you bought that crap it is your own fault it is known everywhere that those chipsets are not worth the ink they used to print the serial onto it with most everyone knows laptops with integrated intel and ati chipsets are the lowest of the low end plus they got throtteled down so much to save a couple watts it s not even funny also most any game recently does not support integrated graphics why should ccp not follow maybe if all manufacturers and game devs start not supporting this watered down crap maybe we finally get somebody to invent a great chipset for laptops and desktops that use less power while getting more umpf out of it instead of hanging on to obsolete technologie that should have been gone 4 years ago anyways do you have any idea what the hardware developers have in their hidden stash just waiting to be realeased when they finally exploited the market enough and made a killing on stuff that should have been obsolete a long time ago well i guess not .....if you really think about it look at the last 30 years and see for yourself how fast computers evolved in the first 20 it is almost we have come to a complete stop sry i m just ranting to air some anger with the whole computer situation we all are in
Anaxandros Aquilius	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:31:00 - [854] Originally by: Koyama Ise Originally by: Anaxandros Aquilius Hello, I've got an Intel Pentium III with 863 MHz and 512MB RAM. Having run GPU-Z.0.3.1, here are my specs. As I understand things, I could still play EVE past March, but would have to discontinue in winter? I plan on getting a custom PC, but it won't be til 2010 or whenever this one breaksdown. Your CPU may be to slow and you may not have enough ram but your GPU would run it from what I understand. This is based off current premium specs so it's all speculation. Thanks. My PC could only support Classic play. Being a Dell PC I bought back in 2000, it was a problem tracking down a compatible graphics card for the last major update. So I've got til winter, plenty of time to decide, this assumes CCP drops SM2 - considering is in bold.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:40:00 - [855] Originally by: Anaxandros Aquilius Originally by: Koyama Ise Originally by: Anaxandros Aquilius Hello, I've got an Intel Pentium III with 863 MHz and 512MB RAM. Having run GPU-Z.0.3.1, here are my specs. As I understand things, I could still play EVE past March, but would have to discontinue in winter? I plan on getting a custom PC, but it won't be til 2010 or whenever this one breaksdown. Your CPU may be to slow and you may not have enough ram but your GPU would run it from what I understand. This is based off current premium specs so it's all speculation. Thanks. My PC could only support Classic play. Being a Dell PC I bought back in 2000, it was a problem tracking down a compatible graphics card for the last major update. So I've got til winter, plenty of time to decide, this assumes CCP drops SM2 - considering is in bold. this is what i am talking about how can anyone expect a software company to support 10 year old hardware when even the manufacturer dropped support for it years ago what are you all going to do when microsoft dropps support for xp . do you think you can rant and complain about it at microsoft and expect them to listem to a minority that hangs on to obsolete hardware for what ever reason ?? i don t think so guys wake up even 4 6 or 8 year old hardware is so obsolete most of it belongs to a museum this is not a car or a bike you can have for 10-20 years and still get parts for it
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:45:00 - [856] Originally by: zombu2 you talking about intel extreme integrated chipsets i m sorry but if you bought that crap it is your own fault it is known everywhere that those chipsets are not worth the ink they used to print the serial onto it with lol. But remember, we are talking CCP wants to INCREASE their player-base. That means they have to get non-techies to play, people who have bought their EMachines, Dells, HPs, etc in the last couple of years. Don't support their hardware, they won't play. In addition, like has been mentioned many times, some 85% of ALL laptops more than 9 months old don't support SM 3.0, and many on the market right now don't. No support == no new customers, regardless of whether you think they were stupid for buying it. Quote: most everyone knows laptops with integrated intel and ati chipsets are the lowest of the low end plus they got throtteled down so much to save a couple watts it s not even funny also most any game recently does not support integrated graphics why should ccp not follow Other than those same players DO have other options. Just they won't have Eve as one. You can't grow by being a niche game in the game-pay department AND in the hardware requirements You also can't grow if you are are losing your current and some cases long-term customers because you are changing the hardware requirements.
Jeb Walker	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:51:00 - [857] Please don't discontinue SM 2.0 support... many laptops are still being made with Intel GMA 965 :\ one of the best things about the game is that it's one of the few MMO that run well on lower end laptops.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 03:55:00 - [858] well everything changes games software cameras tv s lets just take the HDTV transition here in the good ol usa what you think how many people in the us still own standard analog tv s and are also declining buying the upgrade for it to be able to keep watching tv cable providers like comcast brighthouse time warner cable are gonna keep the analog side for a while till they need the bandwidth analog tv hogs or the fcc finally steps in and makes em change this example is the same like ccp's decision to dump ancient hardware support they kept the classic client for a while (analog tv) and will be changing to full premium graphics (HDTV and Digital) everyone not willing to buy the conversion upgrade gets left behind and in the case of eve even if they loose 10% of their customers i think they save more money not maintaining the classic client since they do not have to do the work twice it s a win win situation in my eyes
Taylor timenenzi	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:05:00 - [859] If you want to play games and never need to upgrade GET A CONSOLE. If you want to play PC games and not buy a new labtop everyday couple year or two GET A DESKTOP. This is not just about new shiny things. Its great for the development team. Having to make sure something works on a old p.o.s. client takes time and limits what they can do. EVE is a game that could go another 10 years easy and I'd rather see it keep up with the times and continue to grow then stagnate and die. Stagnate and die thats whats happening to hose that want to hold on to their legacy hardware. Now a days you keep up with the technology or you fall behind and die.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:07:00 - [860] well spoken
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:08:00 - [861] Originally by: zombu2 even if they loose 10% of their customers i think they save more money not maintaining the classic client since they do not have to do the work twice Here is the whole issue though; with the changes they are making in the March expansion they are no longer maintaining 2 versions! A simple fork, like many other games already support, keeps the same assets functional for both low and high graphics machines. Why add it in March, then remove it in November? Those that can't afford to upgrade now aren't going to do it later either. Those machines in the public that don't support it aren't going to die and be replaced by then either because your average computer user is on a 4-6 year replacement cycle and ONLY upgrade when they have too. In hard economic times, wanting to play a game is not the same thing. And any company willing to kiss off 10% of their customers has my sympathy. Eve already has a bad enough reputation in the industry with percieved Dev indiscretions, massive lag, wierd rulesets, etc that it can't afford the perception that it won't support Grandma's computer when you spend the weekend there. I know of 15 accounts that close the day SM 3 is needed, including mine. It just isn't feasable for me to play on my desktop due to needs of family, hence my work-provided laptop can't play, I can't play. I hope if they do follow this path it doesn't bite them too hard, 25k (your 10%) subscriptions is a chunk of change to lose, over a year's worth of growth.
Normandy Xavier	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:08:00 - [862] To CCP: Why don't you guys just set up a survey for registered users where they can submit their system info by uploading .xml files output by dxdiag. Maybe you could also catalog the dxdiag info under each account name for later use if a specific user need help trouble shooting their client, etc to make more use out of the situation. Just a thought on how you can see how many people will be effected by drop of sm 1/2 support, don't know if it has been said or not.
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:17:00 - [863] Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: zombu2 even if they loose 10% of their customers i think they save more money not maintaining the classic client since they do not have to do the work twice Here is the whole issue though; with the changes they are making in the March expansion they are no longer maintaining 2 versions! A simple fork, like many other games already support, keeps the same assets functional for both low and high graphics machines. Why add it in March, then remove it in November? Those that can't afford to upgrade now aren't going to do it later either. Those machines in the public that don't support it aren't going to die and be replaced by then either because your average computer user is on a 4-6 year replacement cycle and ONLY upgrade when they have too. In hard economic times, wanting to play a game is not the same thing. And any company willing to kiss off 10% of their customers has my sympathy. Eve already has a bad enough reputation in the industry with percieved Dev indiscretions, massive lag, wierd rulesets, etc that it can't afford the perception that it won't support Grandma's computer when you spend the weekend there. I know of 15 accounts that close the day SM 3 is needed, including mine. It just isn't feasable for me to play on my desktop due to needs of family, hence my work-provided laptop can't play, I can't play. I hope if they do follow this path it doesn't bite them too hard, 25k (your 10%) subscriptions is a chunk of change to lose, over a year's worth of growth. well i do not belive that you can not use the family pc to play your game also you are not supposed to play on your company laptop anyways if you would have read the policy on it in most companys it is a terminable offence to install not authorised 3rd party software also i am tired of ppl threatening ccp to leave the game on every change they make also ccp does not have a bad rep in the game world (not more or less then other software game companys) wow has more cheating devs and they re still cheating we only had 1 problem with it another thing is how many ppl got themselves a new pc for chrismas for gaming with decent hardware and how many of them will find eve and sign up to also how many accounts does ccp loose everyday we do not have the facts to make any assumptions so we can only guess ccp probably already ran all the guesswork and statistics and still decited to go this route if they would not see profit in it they would not do it
Mistress Nyissa	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:43:00 - [864] Originally by: CCP Explorer We are also putting a lot of resources into that: Re-factoring and performance enhancements, StacklessIO, Jita fixes, EVE64, hardware improvements and UI performance improvements. Wow, with all these updates you're really cutting down usage of system resources. That the lord you guys had the excellent idea to tweak the client more and more so that we can drop our fps again. What next, "We're going to add some useless content to the network structure so everyone not currently on 16Mb or above lines will be taken outside and shot" Please listen to the key point that people are making here: "We use the classic client, we do this because the graphics are already good enough and we play EVE for the gameplay. If we all played for the pimping graphics we'd all be usiong premium and posting screenshots at each other and bragging about 'zomg doesn't this ship look so uber on my rig dude' but we're not. Tha vast majority of EVE players play for the community, the gameplay and the structure." Now please tatoo this on every CCP employees forehead...
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:43:00 - [865] Originally by: zombu2 well i do not belive that you can not use the family pc to play your game Quote: also you are not supposed to play on your company laptop anyways if you would have read the policy on it in most companys it is a terminable offence to install not authorised 3rd party software Quote: also i am tired of ppl threatening ccp to leave the game on every change they make No threat. CCP asked for our opinion, I specifically said it wasn't economically viable to continue playing if they raise hardware requirements. Quote: also ccp does not have a bad rep in the game world (not more or less then other software game companys) lol. Do a search on MMO and Griefing. See what pops up. Mind you I don't consider Eve's gameplay "griefing", but Eve DOES have a reputation problem with those same customers CCP is actively recruiting. Discounting potential customers that might wish to try by drastically raising hardware requirements won't help. Quote: another thing is how many ppl got themselves a new pc for chrismas for gaming with decent hardware and how many of them will find eve and sign up to PC Sales were flatlined for Q3, down for the month of December. Laptop sales were UP 40% for Q3, including December. Remember that comment about laptops not being gaming machines? Laptops are what your customers are buying, if they can't play your game on them they won't play your game Quote: also how many accounts does ccp loose everyday CCP only knows but you can make some guesses: Subscriber increase in the last 1.5 years, 39k (250k-289k) Number of trial accounts at any time, 35-40k Average account life, 7 months. All from Dev posts. All show that Eve has a player retention problem Quote: we do not have the facts to make any assumptions so we can only guess ccp probably already ran all the guesswork and statistics and still decited to go this route Here you are correct, we don't have the numbers. CCP doesn't either, by their own admission. So what they need to do is collect hardware information, data mine it and evaluate those numbers against the world economy and likely-hood of buying hardware. Then watch subscription number trends for the next 4-5 months to see if there is any slowdown there before deciding how many of their current customers they can afford to lose. It is what most companies would do. Quote: if they would not see profit in it they would not do it lol, haven't been around long? CCP has a pretty impressive history of making decisions and then evaluating the impact of them
Hawk TT Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:48:00 - [866] Originally by: zombu2 Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 02:33:35 what you whining about??? tell me wth is the difference i get more fps with the premium then with the classic and why you guys incist on using aincent hardware that keeps the devs from further developing the game and also keep us from more shinyness .....for gods sake spend the 79 bucks on 8600 or 127$ on a 9600 from evga 280 euro WOW i do not know how you live with that i take my hat of my head for that And still nobody uses ancient video cards to play whatever... Sometimes you have to sacrifice the food for your stomach, so you could have some juicy food for you sould & mind KEEP GOING, CCP! DirextX 11 is around the corner, Tesselation, Bigger Textures, More complex shaders...SM 4.1 should be the minimum by the end of 2010!
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:57:00 - [867] sales of laptops are up so high because manufacturers sell their cheap crap at dumping prices and ppl fall for that then later they are wondering why the stuff don t work right and they can t play on it crap is crap any way you turn it and if i where ccp i would not care about the bestbuy cheapos like i said earlyer you get what you pay for and if you cheap out on your hardware you don t need to play the game
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 04:58:00 - [868] Originally by: zombu2 sales of laptops are up so high because manufacturers sell their cheap crap at dumping prices and ppl fall for that then later they are wondering why the stuff don t work right and they can t play on it crap is crap any way you turn it and if i where ccp i would not care about the bestbuy cheapos like i said earlyer you get what you pay for and if you cheap out on your hardware you don t need to play the game I can see you have a bright future ahead in Sales, Marketing and Business Administration
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:01:00 - [869] well it don t take much to see that manufacturers trying to get rid of their obsolete stuff and ppl buy it blind because its cheap
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 05:11:00 - [870] Originally by: zombu2 well it don t take much to see that manufacturers trying to get rid of their obsolete stuff and ppl buy it blind because its cheap Let us put it this way: "I want more people to play my game, so I am going to make it harder for them to play by raising hardware requirements above what their computers will support" Taken any Logic classes yet?

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