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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:12:00 -
[1201]
 Originally by: Romale
so i'm still waiting for ccp to do something about the bolsheviks since they are the only ones who have proven they know how to cheat. its pretty clear from reading eve-ru and then this abortion of a thread that there is some kind of racial cabal on the part of the bolsheviks to slander monkeysphere, i demand justice
quoted for moderators
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:24:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Certero
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy  Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!
In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.
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Certero
Hades and Charon funeral parlour
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:30:00 -
[1203]
I hope moderators will clean this thread from posts which contain rasism and nationalism. It's easy enough - you just need to read reports and/or messages from PL members.
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:33:00 -
[1204]
40 pages of russian rants.
Welcome to EVE :3
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Ded MATAP
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 -
[1205]
Originally by: Huhuhuhuhuhuh
Originally by: Certero
Very funny (as any PL post here). But can I ask you something? We are waiting for Monkey to start killing again! Can you tell him that eve-ru pilots and number of guys from this thread ask him to make new kills as soon as he can (i heard about 3-4 days in WH, so tomorrow he'll be outside WH i think). We ask him to kill ratters in his usual manner - no need to change old good strategy Three chars as usual, ships as usual, and 3-4 ratters in a row (as soon as possible). We want to believe he is innocent! Help us please!
In fact. There is singularity. I think if Monkey was in our monkey channel, he could log in his 3 alts there and show us how it is done properly.
Yes, the best monkey can do to prove his innocence, and confirm great PvP skill, is repeat some of his killing sprees on public.
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Bendit
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:34:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload
All what you type seems well and swell. But it doesnt change the fact that monkey is/was using a cheat/hack/exploit whatever.
That he has been using it for a looong time is known to many people. Asking for a video that shows him doing it is like asking someone to film next time they get robbed, and the robber knowing about it.
You can track killmails all way back in early 2009 and find comments about his exploits, but the victims usually trolled to silence by, yes you guessed it PL pilots.
I have witnessed his exploits first hand, killed my ratter, so yes I know what he can do. I watched him move through systems without showing up in local ( cloaked scout on gates ), this was some time after he killed my ratter.
But as we know from CCP, if it doesnt show up in their server side logs, you have no proof. So petitions just get closed.
Remove this exploit and monkey`s effectiveness in killing ratters or macroers will plummet.
4-10 minutes between each kill multiple times in a row, doing a log on/log off trick??
Give me a break, anyone who has been killing bots know`s it usually takes longer time for the bots to go active again if you appear in their local. Especially if you are a known person in thoose ares and known for killing them.
But please, go ahead do some more damage control, it only makes yuo look ******ed or just plain ignorant. And it`s quite fun to see the desperation setting in.
The once so famous leet pvp organisation, reduced to a gang of low life exploit/hackers, justifing it by: "oh, oh, oh, but they are macro users, we are the saviours, right?, right?, guys?"
Well, I`m not a macro users and it pleases me to see that the truth is finally up in the open.
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Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:38:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload
Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.
U mad?
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:39:00 -
[1208]
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592
obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.
tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.
What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc.
Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:
1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.
2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.
3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.
4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.
5. ???
6. Profit!
Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:42:00 -
[1209]
Originally by: rororor
just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.
You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!
Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:53:00 -
[1210]
Originally by: species2143
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot.
Bot would have a cloak.
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Soroksorok
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: species2143
Originally by: dumpertt
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Who would be so stupid to warp back and forth to the same safe spot in a easy to probe ship (ie Golem) while log in and out at predictable intervals almost as if they were not controlled by a player?
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=6363592
obviously the character was controlled by the player, isn't it? still, it took 10min to get his ship (and pod!) down after monkey got this "macrofarmer" - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=6363593.
tengu is easy to probe ship and it lacks agility? never underestimate monkeys, bro.
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?
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Stygian Knight
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.23 06:56:00 -
[1212]
I love this thread.
So many hurt faces help my work runs faster 
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:01:00 -
[1213]
Well, my take, depending on how well CCP log their nodes :
Login traps - timestamp on login/logout of player(s)
Dictors (jumping) - stargate records
Dictors (safe spotted/from POS) - object records
Mobile bubble - anchored object records
If they have those, it would narrow down a lot as to what sort of mechanics were in use.
Make no mistake however, the exploit exist and has been demonstrated a few pages back.
If the rats are preparing to abandon ship (just in case of a ban), it might be interesting to have a look at their account's wallet and assets to see what sort of movement is taking place 
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Jane Vherokior
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:02:00 -
[1214]
Sounds to me like Pandemic pilots are just as complicit as members of another certain alliance were in another recent exploit...
Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.
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species2143
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:04:00 -
[1215]
Originally by: Soroksorok
Sorry, mate, but it seems you're the one who should stop and think for a moment. Take a closer look at the killmail. The glorious russian bot killed a curse, right?
Dunno since I wasn't there, where you? Has the pilot in question spoken up?
Those would be facts... but until then this remains purely speculation. See what I mean?
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dronesupport
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:07:00 -
[1216]
Originally by: Lady Spank
I like how you imply macro ratting isn't cheating.
The amount of ratting cloak ravens/golems I encounter down in Curse/Stain is incredible. Most of these appear to be Russian characters. I'm not implying anything here, just working off what I have seen in game.
Considering these macros tend to be performing the same actions, someone dedicated to killing them is going to eventually figure out consistent techniques for doing so.
Y-4 and nearest systems - Burn Eden's and BE pets ravens
37S and nearest - Bricks
42-, T-8 - just characters from NPC corps, noone know who they are
Please continue to call them russians - its so funny ^^)
Originally by: Amberlamps
MonkeySphere, I will now look up to him and follow in his footsteps for when I want to get rid or **** off some russians.
Originally by: Zofran
Don't worry, my Russian friends; I made you a nice poster that you can hang behind your desk while you work hard, ratting. Hunt me some ~exploiting~ sons of *****es.
Damn this community is just the cradle of racism. Its typical for Europe and US, i guess.
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:08:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: species2143
@ dumpertt:
You really should stop and think for a few moments before posting the first thing that comes to mind.
Your links prove absolutely NOTHING, in fact they show that the tengu really did have a ratting setup easely usable for a bot. Whether or not the pilot was using a macro or not is impossible to determine just by looking at the killmail. Therefore any reasoning or points you base on these assumptions are flawed.
someone here really should think for a moment - how could a bot kill an extra-class pvper's curse? did you see a link?
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In addition I have to comment that the terms with which you wanted to do the testing of the "technique" with raivi where vaguely outlined and not really constructive. The fact that the exploit has been proven does not necessarily connect it with monkey, therefore the connection is purely speculation. The way you where laying out the demonstration would have been a lose-lose situation for raivi. Either he would have failed to catch you because you didn't behave like a bot thus you'd claim victory and still have proven nothing, or he would had caught you and you could still claim he's using the exploit since he won't explain what he did. The end result would have been... nothing.
not exactly. if he can recreate a situation described in 1st post - i really will be convinced monkey is not a magician - and i will do my best to persuade others . right now i'm pretty sure monkey is a magic monkey. and once again: yes, neither winning streak nor timeline proves monkey is a cheater - there still is a chance he could win the lottery 1000 times in a row.
and still - "no local" exploit exists and should be fixed.
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What disturbs me is the fact that raivi is one of the few posters from PL that have actually attempted to give some content to this thread rather than the usual trolling and bovine-extrement posts by indicating the unconfirmed existence of ways to acchieve similar results without circumventing the game mechanics. Instead of being welcomed open-arms he is instead greeted with spite and accusations related to him being biased etc.
Therefore Raivi I will gladly take your invitation for the demostrations on TQ of your techniques, with decently fitted BS's on my side if you are still up for it. The location and time to be arranged, and with the following conditions:
1. A trusted third party acceptable by both parties will be informed in full detail of the techniques used. This is the only way that I have to be certain that what you say is true without you having to explain your techniques thus loosing the advantage. It's not that I don't trust your word... I simply don't trust anyone I don't know on their word.
2. I will behave like a bot in 3 scenarios to be defined more in detail before we begin the demonstration.
3. Whatever kills and loot you get is yours... I'll probably trow some faction loot on the ships just to make it worth while and give further incentive to kill me.
4. All information that could lead to revealing the legit techniques adopted will be omitted from public unless you chose otherwise.
5. ???
6. Profit!
Does this roughly outlined scenario sound acceptable to you?
i'm fine with it. actually i don't care about his super-duper technique - if it exists, it still useless against player. so it is enough if there will be witness that he logged off - and not using "no-local" exploit, there's no need in details at all.
i have to go now, but i really want this "3-4min at worst case scenario" test done and frapsed. hope it will, heh.
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Gatsukama
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:09:00 -
[1218]
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: rororor
just run a locater agent on him and see if he really is in a wormhole.
You guys are stitch! The Wizard of 0.0 goes into a WH sans probe launcher, like a total noob? Uh-huh. And, naturally, none of his Pandemic Legion chums is willing to guide their hero out, right? That's the official cover-up story for why he suddenly can't do his magic kills any more, no? Who in your corp does the PR? Hi-larious!
Oh, and sync your story a bit amongst yourselves, for that already scaringly thin suspension of disbelief, cuz I just had another of you detractors tell me Monkeyboy already got out this morning. A little consistency goes a long way.
I was curious enough to actually do a locator agent search for The Monkeysphere. Do you want to know where he is (or was at 06:33 Eve time)? http://imgur.com/eyLch.png
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:14:00 -
[1219]
afaik there are wh mach can't leave until the big enough hole opened. still - that's very... comfortable. just another coincedence.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:15:00 -
[1220]
Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?
This proves I was right saying CCP are looking at how it develops without officially intervening.
Proof:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1304476&page=36#1053
post 1053 corresponds to
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1304476/page/36#1066
post 1066
There are 13 posts that just went into thin air.
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FYI, actually all of what these folks did is illegal, as per the Terms of Service (relevant parts highlighted):
21) You will not attempt to decipher, hack into or interfere with any transmissions to or from the EVE Online servers, nor will you try to create or use any third party add-ons, extras or tools for the game.
23) You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website.
Even asking folks to reproduce and publish the exploit is, strictly spoken, against the rules:
29) You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site.
I hope CCP shows some common-sense leniency towards those who helped bring this exploit to light, though.
CCP should not show exceptions or leniency. They wrote clear rules.
Leniency would have been wise if they did not blackmail CCP with their "FIX NOW OR ELSE", did not immediately go for the pitchforks, posted movies in public (and not to CCP), and generally stated that CCP otherwise would do nothing.
The "they would not do anything" excuse is the same the self appointed justicars use to kill random people that they decreed as guilty.
This makes them popular ("finally someone that does something!") but does not make them less criminals and due to be jailed.
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Originally by: Jane Vherokior
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Anyone who's been around for a while knows this stuff is ignored by CCP, regardless of complaints from PAYING subscribers. Just shut up, keep paying your $15US every month, and don't talk smack.
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Now we're finally moving down the rabbit hole and starting to see a larger problem (although I can't aggree completely with your statement).
It's not a problem. CCP have their ways, very known ways and their rules.
If they are so bad and wrong, then the hurt people should consider finding another MMO with a company that OH-SO-CARES. Not to promote themselves to justicars of the night and break the EULA.
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:19:00 -
[1221]
<Nostradamus mode on> Storm is coming!<Nostradamus mode off>
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dumpertt
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:22:00 -
[1222]
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
rage
is it next to denial stage?
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 -
[1223]
If id be superhacker in a group digging windows,and found supposed backdoor in it,what is suspected for years-Id go public asap,instead of trying to blackmail microsoft or anything.There is a reason chinese refused to use windows in any of their goverment-military systems....
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Bendit
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:28:00 -
[1224]
Originally by: Raivi
Originally by: Bendit
Originally by: Raivi
Damage control overload
Unsubstantiated rage from an obvious macroer.
U mad?
Are u mad??
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:40:00 -
[1225]
Edited by: Pbs on 23/04/2010 07:40:09
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 23/04/2010 07:18:26
Anyone noticed that - contrary to the custom - this thread has been censored without any CCP tag?
This is obvious. CCP can not fix this exploit instantly, and can't fix it at all - without adding a lot of new lags in game. So they will keep silence as long as possible, to prevent panic.
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:41:00 -
[1226]
Are u mad?...lolz,THAT is a good question in internet spaceship gaming forum.My wife would say definitely yes,we all are mad.Why i have suspicion most wives would join the cause.........?
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Disko sue
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:54:00 -
[1227]
Originally by: dronesupport
Originally by: Zofran
Don't worry, my Russian friends; stuff....
Damn this community is just the cradle of racism. Its typical for Europe and US, i guess.
It would be racism if black would offend white, ohwait it prolly wouldnt, it works only when white offend black/assian. Anyway "russian" isnt RACE , or you admit that they evolved during soviet union and got two livers ?
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Huhuhuhuhuhuh
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 -
[1228]
I think this should be brought to epic thread.
How to kill a bot (of certain design) without cheats.
Copied from eve-search.
1. Jump into system with bot, warp to belt, log off immediatly.
2. Bot warps to safe spot.
3. Bot doesnt log off mid-warp, at SS it checks local, sees its clear and (that's flaw of this bot) instead of logging off/waiting cloaked - warps to the random belt.
4. We log on and if we are lucky we are meeting him at our belt, if we are unlucky we are logging off and repeat the process from log off phase.
But this method is rather unreliable, for the system with many belts it can take a couple of hours tossing a coin, so the bot finally warps to us and we kill it.
I dont know if flaw in the bot is fixed or not, i hope its not, so we can run ravageddon on weekend.
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romek mablung
Caldari
OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.23 07:58:00 -
[1229]
Dude,you cant survive in Russia without 2 livers!All that cheap vodka.....
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Elyseum
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Posted - 2010.04.23 08:20:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Stygian Knight
I love this thread.
So many hurt faces help my work runs faster
having the runs at work sucks dude. hope you feel better.
so what have we learned today ? PL are cheating f####ts. no ! this is not new news.
we found that out back during the alliance tourney when they partnered with GHSC (oh wait, its not a partnership...its just a straight alt corp of PL)
BATTLE BADGER is SOUND STRATEGY guyz I swearzitstrue.
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