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Frug
Omega Wing
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:31:00 -
[1891]
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
If Monkeyman can continue to keep his PVP rank/kill ratio after this fix I will publicly apologize and send him 100 mills. But if he can't keep his killing spree, I wonder what excuses will Pandemic Legion and alts (ie Pr1ncess Alia and co) concoct? .
Monkey has a worse k/d ratio than me and I'm terrible, if he is exploiting he is doing it wrong.
CCP has made it clear that using an exploit is a bannable offense, the fact he isn't banned should be a clue for you guys.
Log's may not show everything, but that bit where you enter your password and do a server handshake, that is logged. Wouldn't it be odd if a CCP employee looked at the killmail time stamps, and then looked at the arazu logging in, and perhaps came to some conclusion about how this was done.
Good luck with your attempts to reopen petitions, because that's the real motive behind this witch hunt.
He has had 20+ ratter kills in a matter of hours, sometimes minutes even, as far as 6 systems away from each other, different corps/alliances, mostly by himself or with (what I suspect are) his alts, "lol internets" and "goose hypocrisy". And he can achive this kind of success days at a time, consistently. If he can still pull this off after the exploit fix then I owe him an apology.
He probably won't, but that doesn't constitute enough proof for CCP to go and ban him. It's technically circumstantial.
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Pheusia
Gallente The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:42:00 -
[1892]
Given the reputation Russians have for escalating in-game issues into to out of game action, I think Monkeysphere might be inclined to lie low for a while. In fact I think he might be well advised to. Signed, Pheusia |
Nykky Syxx
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Posted - 2010.04.28 01:58:00 -
[1893]
Now that that's done, when can we hotfix out Russian and Chinese macroers?
A much more pressing issue tbh
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Tibalt Avalon
Suck my Titan
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:19:00 -
[1894]
Monkeysphere Cappin' Titans Since '010
kthx Peace Hardstyle Ambassador |
Senzationescu DDTV
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:27:00 -
[1895]
OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 02:37:00 -
[1896]
Originally by: Senzationescu DDTV OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
exactly. evidence be damned! we need to ban this PL group and ban them now
it is quite obvious, as this fine gentleman pointed out, that while they are allowed to play this game macro players and ****ing idiots in general are not safe from their antics
SAVE EVE! CCP WHY ARE YOU NOT HELPING HERE!@!?!?!?
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin
Originally by: Zeba Also the exploit that was fixed still does not explain how a 3 ship gang with battleship in tow managed to travel distances between ganks so quickly that noone can explain it.
Hmm, I wonder, what was his battleship doing stuck in that wormhole anyway...
Welp, put that one beside the Bigfoot file, we'll never solve it, whats for lunch?
His bs only became 'stuck' after the ****storm broke on the forums. You are barking up the wrong tree anyways Grath. I don't care if you either had ccp's own gm code to do what you do or it really is using valid game mechanics. Pixels on a screen mean nothing to me though obviously to others its moar real than real life itself.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 04:29:00 -
[1898]
Originally by: Senzationescu DDTV OK! this happened today - https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=271289
Also as i said - what about ppl that were affected by this exploit? What about the people that used it?
Lets see
PL vs Blast PL vs Blast. PL vs Blast.. PL vs Blast...........................
Are you sure PL exploited, thats like saying Blast got fountain by having skill :P
Exploiting or no exploiting, why was a titan online OUTSIDE a PoS bubble in the first place, monkey could jam local but not have titans leave shields, if this titan was anywhere else other than in a PoS shield then well it shows Blast are worse than everyone thought and it is no wonder he died
Oh and one for the road
PL vs Blast :facepalm:
fakeedit: I dont like PL like the next emo batman but all the unnecessary comments / bull**** in this thread only make them sound like the victims This is so not my main
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edrenbaton2
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Posted - 2010.04.28 05:24:00 -
[1899]
About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
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Dianeces
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Empty quotin'.
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Nuts Nougat
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Confirming this.
Also snypa. ---
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Beliere
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: edrenbaton2 About titan:
Im pretty sure it was some kind of exploit. Something like "warp to 0 to cloacked ship, disable hardeners" or something. PL cant play fair - now its fact, thanks monkey.
Empty quotin'.
It's ture.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.28 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ellatan Deruimte The real motive behind our efforts is to rid EVE Online of exploiters and cheaters and help CCP team to seal the breaches in their game. CCP has expressed their approval and encourages others to submit bug reports, so we consider this a job well done.
Seems to me that Monkey was doing a better job of ridding Eve of exploiters and cheaters than CCP ever could [albeit by nefarious means].
Now, my family's getting hungry, I better start my macro. Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Alex Jameson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:29:00 -
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Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:40:00 -
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We will return to our normally scheduled discussion after this commercial break.
This thread is brought to you by DamnCheaters.com, for all your botting needs, and by CNC Mining, "EVE macros on steroids" for the greedy but lazy miner in you.
We are now going back to the discussion in progress. Thank you.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.04.28 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Jovialmadness on 28/04/2010 14:57:44 PL, Evoke, cry havoc and the rest of the low end crap alliances usually are a joke and this is yet another confirmation. Shame I'm not an admin or I'd go happy time with the account ban just for being who you ******s are.
Blobbing, individually inept meta gamers that spend entirely too much time being average. Everytime I go after you muppets in solo fights you die horribly.
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Razor Jaxx
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
It took me all of 5 minutes, using Google(tm), to find an NPCing bot whose features are, and I quote :
"One of the most important features is itĘs ability to monitor and understand the local channel. When a hostile enters the system, *********** will automatically warp your ship to a safe spot, get cloaked and wait for local to become safe again. Once local is safe ********* will wait for a preconfigured amount of time and then continue ratting as before."
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
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Musical Fist
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
It took me all of 5 minutes, using Google(tm), to find an NPCing bot whose features are, and I quote :
"One of the most important features is itĘs ability to monitor and understand the local channel. When a hostile enters the system, *********** will automatically warp your ship to a safe spot, get cloaked and wait for local to become safe again. Once local is safe ********* will wait for a preconfigured amount of time and then continue ratting as before."
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
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I think what makes it worse is the fast response from CCP in fixing this local evasion, pretty impressive but the macro drama really needs sorting asap not just ratter but spammers and miners too. This is so not my main
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25 I think we all agree that this thread wouldn't even exist if local chat couldn't be abused as a source of hostile detection, as there would be no need for special steps to evade local detection.
Err interesting logic.
*ALL* being you and people that can't think passed the ends of their noses I guess.
This exploit shows that there is a way to 'interact' with the messages passed from the server to clients.
These can be intercepted and 'used' nefariously via a man in the middle attack. Thats all it shows if we just look at what was done. How it was done is far more interesting and shows kinks in the armor.
Local channel is just *ONE* (I admit its hamfisted) way we are used to reading that info. F10 data is shown as delayed, but shows we are allowed to spy on the entire universe.
Whats the next exploit? Real time Node level details of who and where? Is it already out there? Just not in the 'wrong' hands?
TIN FOIL HATS!
And last comment about no local. You are aware that there already are regular 100+ man roams right? You will not be the only 100+ fleet looking for a guy in a belt.
I give no local 3 months before people QQ and rage quit (Most being those asking for it).
I'd support delayed mode local though. Instant is just a bit barking. Oh and you have to be 'decloaked' for updates.
Holy threadnought though.
Good luck CCP.
Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:37:00 -
[1910]
Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 28/04/2010 15:39:18
Originally by: Gunnanmon Seems to me that Monkey was doing a better job of ridding Eve of exploiters and cheaters than CCP ever could [albeit by nefarious means].
yes, because you just KNOW this.
everyone KNOWS so much , really, it's ****ing hilarious!
if you all KNEW the truth you would feel like complete asses.
Originally by: Musical Fist I think what makes it worse is the fast response from CCP in fixing this local evasion, pretty impressive but the macro drama really needs sorting asap not just ratter but spammers and miners too.
yes, because that is what we all DO know. the local exploit was concocted, proven and used by macro users that are already intimate with the eve client/server relay of information.
i wonder what else is possible
I have it on decent authority that what you all seem to KNOW is in fact completely wrong and that the person you were trying to lambaste didn't actually use the exploit the .ru's came up with.
now sure, i could be wrong too. i don't have any more evidence than you.
but let's use Occoms razor here for a moment. which is more likely:
1) That a person came up with a complicated version of exploitation that someone else (completely separate entity) also came up with in trying to explain their own (we'll assume) programs being outsmarted.
2) A person figured out how to outsmart a scripted program. The effected party in being pressured by customer's effected by this person had to explain how it was possible and instead of thinking outside the box of his programs, used the very exploitative programing knowledge to explain it.
2 people coming up with the exact same method of tackling an objective completely separate of each other is rare enough. the fact the 2nd party came up with their SO FAST would almost seem to be a hamfisted explanation using what limited knowledge they really had (ie: "our macros don't work now")
I know, it's a huge mental stretch for the majority of you knee jerkers....
but if you consider the likelihood, (and hopefully monkey gets around to killing people again for lols instead of serious internet business atm to show it is still possible to outsmart these macros) you'll see nothing more than a bunch of macro users crying their that someone outsmarted their programs
and then you can relish in the irony of it all like me and press ccp (as many of you have been) to finally fix the REAL exploit here that has existed all this time. MACRO USERS
no further questions your honor
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:39:00 -
[1911]
Anyone want a list of a few people known to run bots to hunt down, EVE mail me and I'll send you their names and provide screenshots as proof.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 15:40:00 -
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Heh, some of you guys have a bright future as armchair defence attourneys.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba Heh, some of you guys have a bright future as armchair defence attourneys.
ahthankyouverymuch
yeah, it's so crazy and it actually makes sense in fact... it might actually be *shock* the truth!
"A game that is significantly nonlinear is sometimes described as being open-ended or a sandbox, and is characterized by there being no "right way" of playing the game." |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:29:00 -
[1914]
Quote: in fact... it might actually be *shock* the truth!
In a time of universal deceit ł telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
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romek mablung
Caldari OWS Research and Development
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:53:00 -
[1915]
btw..i yet have to meet bot-exploit free MMORPG.Dosnt compute....bzzzzzzzz!
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Gunnanmon
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.28 16:54:00 -
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Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Razor Jaxx Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 28/04/2010 15:05:25
So now that the local fix is in place, I'm very eager to know what are CCP's plans to deal with this, as it is obviously, to me, an exploit of the local channel.
I am at the GMs/devs service if they need links etc. to the quote above.
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MUHAHAHA
If an agressive PvP player uses "game given futures to win" ... it is all fine and we are flamed with "learn to us the client". If an PvE player uses the local chat as "game given future to survive" ... it is an exploid.
Man, PvP guys allways make me lough with there singel sided logic
And no, I do not suport bots! But I do suport local chat to evoid stupid PvP wannabe Rambos!
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Alex Jameson
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:22:00 -
[1918]
Originally by: Gunnanmon Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet?
Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Jameson
Originally by: Gunnanmon Has Huhuhuhuhuhuh confirmed that the fix fixed anything yet?
Breaking news: The "Russian scientists" found this exploit is STILL NOT FIXED on Singularity server. So they just doubt that any hotfix has been deployed
CCP might not have hotfixed the test server as its in the middle of the PI testing. They should try to replicate the exploit on tq and that will determine it its plugged or not. Just make sure to inform a gm so no misunderstandings occur.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Get off the forums and go kill someone!
Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Yeah, it(Jaguar) almost has cruiser level tank and gank!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.28 18:55:00 -
[1920]
Originally by: Zeba They should try to exploit on tq so no misunderstandings occur.
bad zeba!
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