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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:23:00 -
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Could use a Skiff to find targets. No one would suspect a Skiff with a passive targeter and ship scanner until they read this post. Maybe can even bump with nanos and crafty AB usage. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
634
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:25:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Because getting a corp frigate to web you is too much ******* work to make sure your precious exhumer can warp out at the first sign of trouble.
We've listed literally dozens of ways in this thread you can keep yourself safe, but the fact that you refuse to do these, got the buff, and still feel entitled to more protection from CCP infuriates me and anybody else who understands this game.
It's not ganker tears, it's "our favorite gaming company is selling out to the lowest common denominator" tears. I don't think I am entitled to anything, you could remove exhumers tomorrow I would find something else to do in EVE. I am just trying to figure out with you guys who want the Mackinaw nerfed...something that would still keep miners happy without keeping things unbalanced. You do realize what we're suggesting is also a buff to the Hulk, right?
All this would mean is that the Mackinaw isn't the end all be all ship of choice, be it solo play or fleet. The Hulk will be the definitive fleet option, and the Mackinaw will still be a solo option but you'll simply be required to pay more attention to your ship instead of going semi-AFK. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:26:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:
Really, because if you are mining aligned to safe spots, you can warp out before they can lock...how do they gank you if they can't lock?...hmmm? You simply need a little prep in the system you are in and to be there paying attention so you can warp when they hit grid. And if you are using DScan defensively, you should see them while they are warping in, to be ready for it.
But I guess that is probably asking for too much active play...
If you're aligned and moving sure...its hard to stop you. But if you're aligned and moving you're constantly out of range of your asteriods so thats just not gonna happen and would make mining even less desirable. If you're aligned but not moving...no, they will lock you before you can warp. I feel like none of you have ever mined before...you should try being on both sides before arguing about it. There are methods of doing exactly that. Setup book marks around the belts over 150km away, then you can switch alignment to different bookmarks as you need to stay in range effectively forcing an orbit around the roid constantly aligned; even better if you can mine with someone else and web each other. Also better to have your bookmarks off grid, the more distance, the more variation in bearing is allowed while still staying "aligned". Just because you don't know doesn't mean it is not possible.
Honestly you expect to much from the dullest profession in EVE. You expect miners to do too much while having low hit point ships, while Gankers literally just have to warp in, target, press f1. You are only thinking of yourselves... |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Because getting a corp frigate to web you is too much ******* work to make sure your precious exhumer can warp out at the first sign of trouble.
We've listed literally dozens of ways in this thread you can keep yourself safe, but the fact that you refuse to do these, got the buff, and still feel entitled to more protection from CCP infuriates me and anybody else who understands this game.
It's not ganker tears, it's "our favorite gaming company is selling out to the lowest common denominator" tears. I don't think I am entitled to anything, you could remove exhumers tomorrow I would find something else to do in EVE. I am just trying to figure out with you guys who want the Mackinaw nerfed...something that would still keep miners happy without keeping things unbalanced. You do realize what we're suggesting is also a buff to the Hulk, right? All this would mean is that the Mackinaw isn't the end all be all ship of choice, be it solo play or fleet. The Hulk will be the definitive fleet option, and the Mackinaw will still be a solo option but you'll simply be required to pay more attention to your ship instead of going semi-AFK.
I am completely fine with that too! But I still think you guys want to nerf the Mackinaw just a little too much. The small added CPU inplace of downgrading the hitpoints would be a fair tradeoff in my opinion. Or am I missing something that would create a larger issue here? |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
145
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:28:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Could use a Skiff to find targets. No one would suspect a Skiff with a passive targeter and ship scanner until they read this post. Maybe can even bump with nanos and crafty AB usage.
So how much is a skiff right now? I'm assuming you mean the skiff would apply the point to prevent the miner from leaving?
If that is the case, then enjoy having that skiff corded. Not cost effective. And if I were a miner I'd be ready to leave as soon as some entered point range...that is just prudence. James315 for CSM 8! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
634
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:31:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Honestly you expect to much from the dullest profession in EVE. You expect miners to do too much while having low hit point ships, while Gankers literally just have to warp in, target, press f1. You are only thinking of yourselves... If a ganker actually has an objective other than simply destroying your ship, it's a bit more complicated than that.
If they want to make it cost-effective for example, the ganker has to pre-scout and scan the exhumers to find the untanked ones, and gank those. See, the thing about tank is it's supposed to discourage ganks from happening in the first place, not because the tank will help all that much if they really want to break your tank.
Gankers are lazy, and 9/10 times they'll only target you if you make yourself an easy target. So don't. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
145
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:34:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:
Really, because if you are mining aligned to safe spots, you can warp out before they can lock...how do they gank you if they can't lock?...hmmm? You simply need a little prep in the system you are in and to be there paying attention so you can warp when they hit grid. And if you are using DScan defensively, you should see them while they are warping in, to be ready for it.
But I guess that is probably asking for too much active play...
If you're aligned and moving sure...its hard to stop you. But if you're aligned and moving you're constantly out of range of your asteriods so thats just not gonna happen and would make mining even less desirable. If you're aligned but not moving...no, they will lock you before you can warp. I feel like none of you have ever mined before...you should try being on both sides before arguing about it. There are methods of doing exactly that. Setup book marks around the belts over 150km away, then you can switch alignment to different bookmarks as you need to stay in range effectively forcing an orbit around the roid constantly aligned; even better if you can mine with someone else and web each other. Also better to have your bookmarks off grid, the more distance, the more variation in bearing is allowed while still staying "aligned". Just because you don't know doesn't mean it is not possible. Honestly you expect to much from the dullest profession in EVE. You expect miners to do too much while having low hit point ships, while Gankers literally just have to warp in, target, press f1. You are only thinking of yourselves...
1. Maybe if miners were constantly busy protecting themselves it would be so god awful boring to mine. And god forbid miners have to take some of the same protective precautions PvP players do to survive.
2. I have never once ganked a miner; I just do not care for scrubs; whine for mechanics changes when they really need to just learn 2 play. How does it make you feel that I apparently know more about protecting yourself as a miner then you, and I have not mined since the tutorial. Classic case of scrub behavior coming from this thread. James315 for CSM 8! |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:34:00 -
[3488] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Honestly you expect to much from the dullest profession in EVE. You expect miners to do too much while having low hit point ships, while Gankers literally just have to warp in, target, press f1. You are only thinking of yourselves... If a ganker actually has an objective other than simply destroying your ship, it's a bit more complicated than that. If they want to make it cost-effective for example, the ganker has to pre-scout and scan the exhumers to find the untanked ones, and gank those. See, the thing about tank is it's supposed to discourage ganks from happening in the first place, not because the tank will help all that much if they really want to break your tank. Gankers are lazy, and 9/10 times they'll only target you if you make yourself an easy target. So don't.
You're right. As long as the nerfing to the mackinaw doesn't make it easy to kill while tanked I guess I have nothing to really complain about. Perhaps I was expecting a little to much :) |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:37:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:
2. I have never once ganked a miner; I just do not care for scrubs; whine for mechanics changes when they really need to just learn 2 play. How does it make you feel that I apparently know more about protecting yourself as a miner then you, and I have not mined since the tutorial. Classic case of scrub behavior coming from this thread.
I underlined the part I find hilarious as you have one currently in your signature. You don't care for those who whine for mechanics changes yet that is all James 315 does...lol. But lets get back on topic.
There is no need to get hostile, its just a game :)
Edit: although...you're whining about changing the Mackinaw....so, you're a hypocrite. :) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
636
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:48:00 -
[3490] - Quote
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Honestly you expect to much from the dullest profession in EVE. You expect miners to do too much while having low hit point ships, while Gankers literally just have to warp in, target, press f1. You are only thinking of yourselves... If a ganker actually has an objective other than simply destroying your ship, it's a bit more complicated than that. If they want to make it cost-effective for example, the ganker has to pre-scout and scan the exhumers to find the untanked ones, and gank those. See, the thing about tank is it's supposed to discourage ganks from happening in the first place, not because the tank will help all that much if they really want to break your tank. Gankers are lazy, and 9/10 times they'll only target you if you make yourself an easy target. So don't. You're right. As long as the nerfing to the mackinaw doesn't make it easy to kill while tanked I guess I have nothing to really complain about. Perhaps I was expecting a little to much :) Anything can be easy to kill as long as the ganker brings enough firepower, but on the Hulk right now you can easily discourage ganking by fitting a tank. With the EHP switch the same will be true for the Mackinaw, and the Hulk will be able to focus a bit more on getting the higher yield, which is after all its role. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
147
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:50:00 -
[3491] - Quote
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:
2. I have never once ganked a miner; I just do not care for scrubs; whine for mechanics changes when they really need to just learn 2 play. How does it make you feel that I apparently know more about protecting yourself as a miner then you, and I have not mined since the tutorial. Classic case of scrub behavior coming from this thread.
I underlined the part I find hilarious as you have one currently in your signature. You don't care for those who whine for mechanics changes yet that is all James 315 does...lol. But lets get back on topic. There is no need to get hostile, its just a game :) Edit: although...you're whining about changing the Mackinaw....so, you're a hypocrite. :)
I haven't whined once in favor of a change for the mining barges; I have argued that there is no reason for changes. All I've done is point out that you can protect yourself. Nice ad hominen, no real argument, so you resort to attempting to discredit me.
Take the advice offered in this thread and you will be fine. Fly safe. James315 for CSM 8! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
286
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:54:00 -
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MIrple wrote: What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
You have one too many med's in there. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
637
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Posted - 2012.09.07 22:12:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:MIrple wrote: What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
You have one too many med's in there. He needs his meds, don't take them away from him. You cruel, heartless bastard. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
106
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:00:00 -
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MIrple wrote:The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low
Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield
Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield
Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo
What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
Its a new song right? |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:25:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:MIrple wrote:The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low
Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield
Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield
Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo
What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
Its a new song right? I can't help it ....
Sung to the tune of the 7 Dwarfs "Hi Ho" from the original Snow White.
Hi low, hi low, it's off to mine we go, With Miner II's and M L U's, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's back to mids we go, To tank a Mack like quarterbacks, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's off to Skiffs we go, To bait our prey and make our day, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's back to Hulks we go, They have the yield just need a field to mine, to mine, to mine
I'm done, I'm done, this song is really done.
/facepalm ..... LOL HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
290
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:42:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote: I can't help it ....
Sung to the tune of the 7 Dwarfs "Hi Ho" from the original Snow White.
Hi low, hi low, it's off to mine we go, With Miner II's and M L U's, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's back to mids we go, To tank a Mack like quarterbacks, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's off to Skiffs we go, To bait our prey and make our day, hi low, hi low, hi low
Hi low, hi low, it's back to Hulks we go, They have the yield just need a field to mine, to mine, to mine
I'm done, I'm done, this song is really done.
/facepalm ..... LOL
That was very amusing |
Pipa Porto
884
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Posted - 2012.09.08 05:36:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:I agree, but what is the problem with letting us have that extra cpu to fit a tiny bit of extra tank? You know that if we had the extra cpu most idiot miners will use it to fit a 3rd mining upgrade making it even easier to kill them. So I see no downside, more cpu, less base hitpoints, those of us who want to tank will be able to tank that little bit of extra while greedy miners and bots all fit for yield. Both sides win here.
So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan K, is that It? I think that you'll Find that CCP has provided you with a Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.
If only I could remember it's name. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
34
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Posted - 2012.09.08 06:43:00 -
[3498] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:So how much is a skiff right now? I'm assuming you mean the skiff would apply the point to prevent the miner from leaving?
If that is the case, then enjoy having that skiff corded. Not cost effective. And if I were a miner I'd be ready to leave as soon as some entered point range...that is just prudence.
Of course not! It's just to gather intel, as ganking can be team PvP activity. The greens scout out for potential targets and lead the reds to the prey. Hell, brush up to the unsuspecting miner and have the dessies warp to zero on you. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.09.08 06:59:00 -
[3499] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan K, is that It? I think that you'll Find that CCP has provided you with a Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.
If only I could remember it's name.
When you gankers were ganking 10 Hulks with just one Tornado, you said miners should tank their ships. Now you want all miners to forget that tanking thing and go for full yield so you can gank 10 Hulks and get 250M from doing it.
Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked... |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
34
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Posted - 2012.09.08 07:31:00 -
[3500] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...
Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.09.08 07:39:00 -
[3501] - Quote
Hypercake Mix wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked... Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.
Get ganker friends and effort required is smaller. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.09.08 07:39:00 -
[3502] - Quote
Hypercake Mix wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked... Can be. Rarely is it ever worth the effort.
Its always worth it when I see the smiles on the kids faces. There's some things that ISK can't buy.
Miners write the best hatemail.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
34
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:04:00 -
[3503] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Get ganker friends and effort required is smaller. Rarely is it ever worth the combined effort.
Could get 5 buddies and gank 5 Mackinaws and get 5 hate-mails or gank 1 Skiff and get one "GJ" in local.
Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2088
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:12:00 -
[3504] - Quote
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different? Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers) Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.
Black ops have a choice of 4 ships. Bombers have a choice of 4 ships. Logistics have a choice of 2 ships.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:41:00 -
[3505] - Quote
Hypercake Mix wrote:Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB.
Yeah, using standard fit.
[Skiff]
Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure
Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Warp Disruptor
True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
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baltec1
Bat Country
2088
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:43:00 -
[3506] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Edit: Though, I could be overestimating the way people fit their Skiff. Mine doesn't undock without an AB. Yeah, using standard fit. [Skiff] Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure Republic Fleet Nanofiber Structure Gistum A-Type 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Warp Disruptor True Sansha Small EMP Smartbomb Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Willing to be there is someone stupid enough to do this. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
171
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Posted - 2012.09.08 08:48:00 -
[3507] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Willing to be there is someone stupid enough to do this.
I've tried to fit MWD. Not enough PG. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
34
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Posted - 2012.09.08 09:11:00 -
[3508] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:I've tried to fit MWD. Not enough PG. Here ya go.
[Skiff, Mario Kart] Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
10MN Digital Booster Rockets Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Domination Warp Disruptor [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
w/ both Geno implants and 6% PG implant. |
Pipa Porto
884
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:26:00 -
[3509] - Quote
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:So, you want more CPU so you can fit more tan K, is that It? I think that you'll Find that CCP has provided you with a Fine ship that's designed to fill your needs.
If only I could remember it's name. When you gankers were ganking 10 Hulks with just one Tornado, you said miners should tank their ships. Now you want all miners to forget that tanking thing and go for full yield so you can gank 10 Hulks and get 250M from doing it. Funny how some people still think that tanked Skiff can't be ganked...
Where did anyone say miners shouldn't tank their ships? All we're saying is that CCP shouldn't be tanking the miners ships for them (besides the skiff, being that it actually sacrifices something for its tank).
Explain exactly how you can make a profit (or break even) ganking a Skiff. Keep in mind that profitable (or at least break-even) ganking is the only thing that allows industrialized ganking, which is the only thing that provides any significant risk to the HS mining fleet. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2100
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:39:00 -
[3510] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different? Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers) Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers. Black ops have a choice of 4 ships. Bombers have a choice of 4 ships. Logistics have a choice of 2 ships.
But overall hundreds of ships that are combat based....mining still only has the 3 barges and 3 exhumers. |
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