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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1965
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Easy to suggest all these changes when you're not the one who uses that ship. It's not so easy to get onboard with those changes when you're strictly a miner. Our amount of choices already sucks, having to worry about the best one we got getting nerfed sucks too. Though I do agree it does need some changes, but to the base hp only...I don't see a point in changing anything else about it minus adding more cpu. Mack got a CPU buff with the update. You can tank them very well even with a hulks base ehp. I might be part of the corp who brought about the gank destroyers but I also gave miners the supertank barges. We know how to make these things fortresses.
But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1965
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:47:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Easy to suggest all these changes when you're not the one who uses that ship. It's not so easy to get onboard with those changes when you're strictly a miner. Our amount of choices already sucks, having to worry about the best one we got getting nerfed sucks too. Though I do agree it does need some changes, but to the base hp only...I don't see a point in changing anything else about it minus adding more cpu. Oh, I just want miners to scratch their heads a little bit about which Exhumer to use.... ....and then scratch their head again when they figure out how to fit it. Some will do fine, others will fail. Gankers want to be able to kill the failures without spending a fortune to do it. I also want miners to have some options. How would you like a Mack that could be Cargo expanded/rigged up to say, 40 or even 50K? (even if the base size is lower)I'm sure a lot of miners would like that. And with the EHP penalty, gankers would too. Too bad that CCP doesn't allow those kinds of choices anymore. Today its "How many MLU II do you want?" For combat ships, it would be as if CCP just decided to remove all speed mods, and then gave some types of ships built-in MWDs. Thats what they did here, for Exhumers. Tiericide shouldn't mean 'dumbing down'.Also, I the 'special rigs' for Ice or Merx concept was a slapped on, rushed fail-job. Goes a long way to illustrate how little thought or effort they put into the Aug. 8 Patch. It was simply a reactive lurch to get it done ASAP, rather than doing it properly in the winter expansion. At minimum there should have been a 3rd rig for 'standard Ore'. Why should miners be punished for mining Ice or Merx? Why not just get rid of them entirely?
Can't believe it but, I am agreeing with you more and more...lol :p |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
632
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:47:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Easy to suggest all these changes when you're not the one who uses that ship. It's not so easy to get onboard with those changes when you're strictly a miner. Our amount of choices already sucks, having to worry about the best one we got getting nerfed sucks too. Though I do agree it does need some changes, but to the base hp only...I don't see a point in changing anything else about it minus adding more cpu. Mack got a CPU buff with the update. You can tank them very well even with a hulks base ehp. I might be part of the corp who brought about the gank destroyers but I also gave miners the supertank barges. We know how to make these things fortresses. But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way. And a Navy Apoc can't fit all Tachyon Beams without a powergrid upgrade. So? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1967
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Easy to suggest all these changes when you're not the one who uses that ship. It's not so easy to get onboard with those changes when you're strictly a miner. Our amount of choices already sucks, having to worry about the best one we got getting nerfed sucks too. Though I do agree it does need some changes, but to the base hp only...I don't see a point in changing anything else about it minus adding more cpu. Mack got a CPU buff with the update. You can tank them very well even with a hulks base ehp. I might be part of the corp who brought about the gank destroyers but I also gave miners the supertank barges. We know how to make these things fortresses. But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way. And a Navy Apoc can't fit all Tachyon Beams without a powergrid upgrade. So?
Oh so you're totally fine with nerfing our ship...but if we want a tiny increase in cpu so we have better options when fitting it..thats just out of the question. If you want more use out of these ships or more options for miners...we need the ability to be able to fit the entire 6 ship lineup we have. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
632
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:39:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Easy to suggest all these changes when you're not the one who uses that ship. It's not so easy to get onboard with those changes when you're strictly a miner. Our amount of choices already sucks, having to worry about the best one we got getting nerfed sucks too. Though I do agree it does need some changes, but to the base hp only...I don't see a point in changing anything else about it minus adding more cpu. Mack got a CPU buff with the update. You can tank them very well even with a hulks base ehp. I might be part of the corp who brought about the gank destroyers but I also gave miners the supertank barges. We know how to make these things fortresses. But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way. And a Navy Apoc can't fit all Tachyon Beams without a powergrid upgrade. So? Oh so you're totally fine with nerfing our ship...but if we want a tiny increase in cpu so we have better options when fitting it..thats just out of the question. If you want more use out of these ships or more options for miners...we need the ability to be able to fit the entire 6 ship lineup we have. You already do. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:49:00 -
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I did find my CPU lacking for my Mack (2 IMU2s a DC and some meta 4 invultns with T2 icers) and had to use CPU rigs. But my shields skills, including the one that reduces CPU cost, are crap. So I may be able to get it down to one CPU rig later.
Strangely, the hulk was much easier to fit, though got a little less EHP since I expect bonuses and support from an Orca. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2010
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:20:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I did find my CPU lacking for my Mack (2 IMU2s a DC and some meta 4 invultns with T2 icers) and had to use CPU rigs. But my shields skills, including the one that reduces CPU cost, are crap. So I may be able to get it down to one CPU rig later.
Strangely, the hulk was much easier to fit, though got a little less EHP since I expect bonuses and support from an Orca.
With all 5's related to fitting, you can get it down to 1 cpu rig but id really like to be able to not need even that. I think the fact that miners only have such a small handful of ships...the 3 exhumers should get a little extra cpu/pg |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
632
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:47:00 -
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Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2027
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?
Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers) Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
632
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:07:00 -
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If you want more tank, then maybe you should fly the exhumer that's designed for tank. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:07:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different? Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers) Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers. Miners are grouped with industrialists, so we also have all the Indies, plus the Orca and for non HS ops, the Rorq. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you want more tank, then maybe you should fly the exhumer that's designed for tank. Bah .. "Use an Orca" (tm) HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression - The only way to go! |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:32:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different? Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers) Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers. Miners are grouped with industrialists, so we also have all the Indies, plus the Orca and for non HS ops, the Rorq.
Mining ships, Rorq/Orca can't mine(Minus drones) and really...industrial ships are very stupid for mining in. It's not like im asking for a game breaking change, I just think a slight buff to the CPU output of the mackinaw and in return you lower the base HP. That way we could easily fit all of our slots for tanking if we so choose without the need of a cpu upgrade/rig or implants. It wouldn't create an imbalance at all, and I still think exhumers deserve it for being the top tier mining ship you can get. Ill stop complaining if they say create Tech 3 mining barges for us to customize ourselves or create higher end mining vessels. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
632
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:44:00 -
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No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
104
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?
Pretty sure its so he can fit 3MLU's and a Ice rig. Greedy pigs are greedy pigs |
baltec1
Bat Country
2085
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:55:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.
You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:57:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?
I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu. It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:58:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.
You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC.
Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:59:00 -
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MIrple wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more? Pretty sure its so he can fit 3MLU's and a Ice rig. Greedy pigs are greedy pigs
I like your reading abilities. I said previously that I don't care about yield or isk/hr so I don't fit any mining upgrades...I fit all tank. Learn to read before making stupid comments. |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
105
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:00:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more? I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu. It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.
And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time. |
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
144
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:04:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.
You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC. Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.
I'm sure plenty of miners that fly intelligently would argue against that statement...and they probably don't even need to fit a tank...
Fly smart and pay attention to your surroundings and you will be effectively gank proof... James315 for CSM 8! |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:04:00 -
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MIrple wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more? I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu. It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships. And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time.
Nice way to deflect your inability to read :) You're right, the fact that I'm not a pro on Titans means I don't know anything about EVE at all :) |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
144
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:12:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.
You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC. Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this. I'm sure plenty of miners that fly intelligently would argue against that statement...and they probably don't even need to fit a tank... Fly smart and pay attention to your surroundings and you will be effectively gank proof... That doesn't keep you safe. Nothing stopping the gank crew from having a scout warp in in a harmless looking ship getting close to you and creating a bookmark or having the others warp to him. By the time you see what is going on...you won't have time to escape. And I am not saying you should have time to escape...if you're not tanked and get caught by suicide gankers you deserve it...but that isn't what this is about. It's about making the Mackinaw more balanced in comparison to the other 2 which I can admit it's not... but some people just want to nerf it too much.
Really, because if you are mining aligned to safe spots, you can warp out before they can lock...how do they gank you if they can't lock?...hmmm? You simply need a little prep in the system you are in and to be there paying attention so you can warp when they hit grid. And if you are using DScan defensively, you should see them while they are warping in, to be ready for it.
But I guess that is probably asking for too much active play... James315 for CSM 8! |
MIrple
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
105
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:13:00 -
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The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low
Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield
Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield
Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo
What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2038
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:14:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:
Really, because if you are mining aligned to safe spots, you can warp out before they can lock...how do they gank you if they can't lock?...hmmm? You simply need a little prep in the system you are in and to be there paying attention so you can warp when they hit grid. And if you are using DScan defensively, you should see them while they are warping in, to be ready for it.
But I guess that is probably asking for too much active play...
If you're aligned and moving sure...its hard to stop you. But if you're aligned and moving you're constantly out of range of your asteriods so thats just not gonna happen and would make mining even less desirable. If you're aligned but not moving...no, they will lock you before you can warp. I feel like none of you have ever mined before...you should try being on both sides before arguing about it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2085
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:18:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
I agree, but what is the problem with letting us have that extra cpu to fit a tiny bit of extra tank? You know that if we had the extra cpu most idiot miners will use it to fit a 3rd mining upgrade making it even easier to kill them. So I see no downside, more cpu, less base hitpoints, those of us who want to tank will be able to tank that little bit of extra while greedy miners and bots all fit for yield. Both sides win here.
Its like giving my megathron more powergrid or CPU. They dont need it and if you give them more room it means you dont have to make hard choices with fittings. The mack has the CPU to do its job. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
634
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:19:00 -
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Because getting a corp frigate to web you is too much ******* work to make sure your precious exhumer can warp out at the first sign of trouble.
We've listed literally dozens of ways in this thread you can keep yourself safe, but the fact that you refuse to do these, got the buff, and still feel entitled to more protection from CCP infuriates me and anybody else who understands this game.
It's not ganker tears, it's "our favorite gaming company is selling out to the lowest common denominator" tears. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
145
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:21:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:
Really, because if you are mining aligned to safe spots, you can warp out before they can lock...how do they gank you if they can't lock?...hmmm? You simply need a little prep in the system you are in and to be there paying attention so you can warp when they hit grid. And if you are using DScan defensively, you should see them while they are warping in, to be ready for it.
But I guess that is probably asking for too much active play...
If you're aligned and moving sure...its hard to stop you. But if you're aligned and moving you're constantly out of range of your asteriods so thats just not gonna happen and would make mining even less desirable. If you're aligned but not moving...no, they will lock you before you can warp. I feel like none of you have ever mined before...you should try being on both sides before arguing about it.
There are methods of doing exactly that. Setup book marks around the belts over 150km away, then you can switch alignment to different bookmarks as you need to stay in range effectively forcing an orbit around the roid constantly aligned; even better if you can mine with someone else and web each other. Also better to have your bookmarks off grid, the more distance, the more variation in bearing is allowed while still staying "aligned".
Just because you don't know doesn't mean it is not possible. James315 for CSM 8! |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2039
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Because getting a corp frigate to web you is too much ******* work to make sure your precious exhumer can warp out at the first sign of trouble.
We've listed literally dozens of ways in this thread you can keep yourself safe, but the fact that you refuse to do these, got the buff, and still feel entitled to more protection from CCP infuriates me and anybody else who understands this game.
It's not ganker tears, it's "our favorite gaming company is selling out to the lowest common denominator" tears.
I don't think I am entitled to anything, you could remove exhumers tomorrow I would find something else to do in EVE. I am just trying to figure out with you guys who want the Mackinaw nerfed...something that would still keep miners happy without keeping things unbalanced. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
145
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Because getting a corp frigate to web you is too much ******* work to make sure your precious exhumer can warp out at the first sign of trouble.
We've listed literally dozens of ways in this thread you can keep yourself safe, but the fact that you refuse to do these, got the buff, and still feel entitled to more protection from CCP infuriates me and anybody else who understands this game.
It's not ganker tears, it's "our favorite gaming company is selling out to the lowest common denominator" tears.
It's like you are channeling my thoughts...
GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!! James315 for CSM 8! |
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