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Unit757
North Point Cannabis Legionis
12
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:12:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Unit757 wrote:So, in light of all the civilized conversations going on, I went ahead and tried my darndest to do something incredibly stupid, and ended up sitting in a "max yield" hulk. It came out to 14k EHP w/ low-grade slaves. Gankable still?
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go throw up and then drink lots of beer, not fitting a DCII on a ship, and undocking seems to have been a little to much for me.
(note, this was all on sisi with the current changes to barges) Yes, slaves for a shield tanked ship, perfect plan
I only mentioned slaves because an exhumer isnt worth me jumping out of said clone. Its more to show that that number is probably inflated by 2k |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
274
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:13:00 -
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Jed Bobby wrote:why not just stay the **** out of high systems and play with people who want to play with you? there are THOUSANDS of people in null/low get the **** out of high sec if the only thing you can kill is defenseless people.
in a way i like the segregation keep people separated who want to do separate things.
except there are very few people in null that give a flying **** about industry; and those that do already have multiple accounts and are pretty much self sufficient.
hell i joined one of the large null sec alliances and spent most of my time solo mining as i only had one account and other people were either A) in a different time zone B) busy multiboxing or C) just didn't give a **** about industry and were busy blowing their load over the gigantic bubblefest on the 319 station. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:15:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:arcca jeth wrote:would ganking Hulks be profitable at all if the people who have a monopoly on building them weren't offering you 10M to blow one up? would you do it if there was no bounty on them? First, I don't grant your premise. Nobody has a monopoly on building Hulks. That said, Yep*. Yep. *If they continue to refuse to fit a tank. A Hulk can be tanked such that it is unprofitable to gank it in any sec band. Untanked, it's profitable in most sec bands.
So what you are really mad about is that CCP is taking away your prefered way to earn a living in EVE.
But you can and should form a player corp that is for hire to kill miners. You can charge a fee for this service. Plus you get the loot. You can still earn a living doing your thing. Just adapt to the change. The fee should be high enough to cover your expenses and make a profit margin when including the salvage, then there is what the market can bear vs how much competition you have in your field. With your knowledge of the subject you have an edge over most competitiors for this service. |

Jed Bobby
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:16:00 -
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i was meaning people who want to pvp pve should stay in high-sec where it belongs |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The new mack has a much better tank than the hulk, both old and new. It's going to be in the ''unlikely'' ganking bracket most of the time and the **** you bracket in a 0.9 and over.
Well it had half the Hulk tank for years, time for some revenge.  But joking aside, mining ships like that will fall in the same category of the others: you kill them because of an agenda or because they are pimped or because they are carrying valuable stuff. Not because it's completely free ISK even killing the bare hull.
I have never mined ice. But with the size of the ore bay on a mack how much is a full ore bay of ice worth?
Or for that matter a full ore bay of veldspar on a covetor of a procurer, or etc...
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:That's the setup I use(d), (I also produce Orcas and all their mods...) but I don't arrogate myself to impose such expensive setup on other players who could as well be new-ish or without the means to get all that bling including a command ship.
See I can see competitive tournament PvP games being purely balanced on the top of the top of the elite with the best gear and skills and using Naga / Sensei peripherals with special pads and so on.
But not a generalistic MMO and much less one where they are striving to finally improve new players experience. What are going to do those without the mythical "all V skills" that today struggle going above 10K EHP? Be told to suck it up and return to the game in 1 year and after they purchased Orca + alt?
>new players >Hulks ahahahahaha 57 days ahahahah.
i hope you're not telling new players to train straight into a hulk because if so you are a cancer
"it takes 57 days to train" doesn't mean "hulk pilots are new players" because, well, it's a fairly pricey ship that requires skills beyond exhumer I and mining 4 to fly effectively
not to mention the fact that refining skills are necessary to get anything out of it a rogue goon |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
419
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:18:00 -
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Jed Bobby wrote:i was meaning people who want to pvp pve should stay in high-sec where it belongs
PVE exists in nul-sec, right? PVP, likewise, exists in high-sec.
Your theory that PVE belongs in one place and PVP belongs in another is fatally flawed.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:20:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:except there are very few people in null that give a flying **** about industry
yeah i'm sure my supercarrier was built by somebody who doesn't give a flying **** about industry a rogue goon |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:24:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: i hope you're not telling new players to train straight into a hulk because if so you are a cancer
"it takes 57 days to train" doesn't mean "hulk pilots are new players" because, well, it's a fairly pricey ship that requires skills beyond exhumer I and mining 4 to fly effectively
not to mention the fact that refining skills are necessary to get anything out of it
I personally don't, but the ISDs in the rookie chats do. So what? File a lawsuit against them?
Also, the "requires skills beyond exhumer I..." is basically what many prioritize and it's why they fit no tank. It's always complex to tell a guy "stay docked and keep paying for some more months, one day you might be able to finally play something and make some far from impressive ISK on it".
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
484
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:25:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Dave stark wrote:except there are very few people in null that give a flying **** about industry yeah i'm sure my supercarrier was built by somebody who doesn't give a flying **** about industry
i don't think xxxdeathxxx cares about anything tbh...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:26:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote: [multiple-quote snippy-snippy]
Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender). Pray tell, why do you think this? Ganking-for-profit and/or making a "career" of same is arguably one of the last few remaining examples of truly emergent gameplay left in hisec, IMHO. You've nerfed everything else into the ground, and the more pants-on-head ("Suspect-flag" but "suspect" can't shoot back without sec-loss and/or CONCORDokken-- What. The. F-word????!!!) aspects of the proposed Crimewatcg thingy look to only make this effectively carved in stone if implemented. No, really: No troll, dead serious: Why do you think this?
Nerfing emergent gameplay is very bad, OK? IMHO the devs do not think of it as emergent game play but rather exploitive game play. Nice try though with an attempt to define it in preferable terms. Nice, weak little straw-man, used as an even weaker little appeal to authority, bru. Fail. If the devs really thought that it was "exploitative," then they would have declared it an exploit--because CCP has shown that they really don't like that sort of thing, as well they shouldn't--with the appropriate penalties for exploiting, and/or hard-mechanic fixing so it's not even do-able (ref.: The utterly senseless hard-nerf of the OPs "Tornado Bootlegger's Turn" manoeuvre). This has not happened now, nor has it ever. There is also nothing explicitly even implying that it will, that has been said by anyone with a blue tag by their avatar. Learn to debate. Next! E: I want to hear Soundwave's answer to this, not some fluffy/squishy little WoW-kid's answer who thinks that EVE should be like WoW so that he doesn't have to use brain or ::effort:: to succeed in it.
lol, WoW nice touch. Never played that title however. You but hurt? |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I personally don't, but the ISDs in the rookie chats do. So what? File a lawsuit against them?
That is goddamned terrible advice to tell somebody - it's like saying "don't bother going to nullsec until you can fly a titan" a rogue goon |

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
119
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:27:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:if tech doesn't start going up, it will go down
or stay the same, one of the two

Nice! Almost as good as that "other" guy that shall not be named. Judging by his posts, he's probably too dumb to get it.
Also, don't forget to remind us of your prediction whenever there's a price movement, either way.  |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:27:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:i don't think xxxdeathxxx cares about anything tbh...
hi we own space a rogue goon |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
420
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Ah, last but not least, maybe people would be more agreeing with the claims if they were not:
- Called "stupid Pigs" right here.
- Made subject of WWII copied manifestos by other "ideologists" for months.
- Pictured like they are the ultimate evil that should be eradicated from the game. "They are all bots anyway".
-Hey, its an amusing analogy to a well known fairy tale. I fail to see the issue.
-Well, at least we know where we want to go, and how to get there.
-I mainly just want to see bad players eradicated from the game - oh, and mineral prices to be as high as possible.
There are crying-Miners, entitled, self righteous, refuse to take even basic steps to protect themselves.
And then, there are hard-Miners that use teamwork, learn to fit - and play smart in the face of threats.
Those I consider an asset to the game and I often quite like.
Reminds me Chris Rock's famous standup routine from the 90's.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:29:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
The new mack has a much better tank than the hulk, both old and new. It's going to be in the ''unlikely'' ganking bracket most of the time and the **** you bracket in a 0.9 and over.
Well it had half the Hulk tank for years, time for some revenge.  But joking aside, mining ships like that will fall in the same category of the others: you kill them because of an agenda or because they are pimped or because they are carrying valuable stuff. Not because it's completely free ISK even killing the bare hull. I have never mined ice. But with the size of the ore bay on a mack how much is a full ore bay of ice worth? Or for that matter a full ore bay of veldspar on a covetor of a procurer, or etc...
Depends on before or after the patch and whether it's expanded or not. From 6 blocks upwards to enough to repay 1 of the catalyst(s) needed to suicide it.
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Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
275
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:29:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Dave stark wrote:except there are very few people in null that give a flying **** about industry yeah i'm sure my supercarrier was built by somebody who doesn't give a flying **** about industry
yeah it's a handful of people doing that **** who are all more or less self sufficient. i've seen how big null sec alliances industry works. it's not one account friendly to people trying to participate. not to mention finding corps who want industrial players over players who want to go and blow things up. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:30:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I personally don't, but the ISDs in the rookie chats do. So what? File a lawsuit against them? That is goddamned terrible advice to tell somebody - it's like saying "don't bother going to nullsec until you can fly a titan"
That's why we should have Goon ISDs!  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
484
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:30:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:MeBiatch wrote:i don't think xxxdeathxxx cares about anything tbh...
hi we own space
like the Chanel?
no that is the bell network dude.
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
433
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:31:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I personally don't, but the ISDs in the rookie chats do. So what? File a lawsuit against them? That is goddamned terrible advice to tell somebody - it's like saying "don't bother going to nullsec until you can fly a titan" I'm pretty much used to seeing ISD advice of this quality in help chat. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:32:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:if tech doesn't start going up, it will go down
or stay the same, one of the two  Nice! Almost as good as that "other" guy that shall not be named. Judging by his posts, he's probably too dumb to get it. Also, don't forget to remind us of your prediction whenever there's a price movement, either way. 
That's why the dumb guy has his articles posted and praised on RL trading websites and works with a RL trader associate. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
120
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:34:00 -
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One can only hope that this is a precursor to ice being removed from high sec  |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:34:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I personally don't, but the ISDs in the rookie chats do. So what? File a lawsuit against them? That is goddamned terrible advice to tell somebody - it's like saying "don't bother going to nullsec until you can fly a titan" That's why we should have Goon ISDs! 
if somebody is telling a new player in purple text or whatever that mining is the only way to make ISK, well, they should lose their purple text a rogue goon |

DrSmegma
Smegma United Asgard Supplies and Logistics
63
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:34:00 -
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Can't political enemies just be deported?  I don't really want to troll you. If I trolled you anyway, I'll probably edit it out as soon as the rage fades. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:38:00 -
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DrSmegma wrote:Can't political enemies just be deported? 
No, they found more effective ways both in Nigeria and Syria. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
120
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
That's why the dumb guy has his articles posted and praised on RL trading websites and works with a RL trader associate.
Yet is lacking creative and objective thinking to such an extent that it is painful to see.
"articles posted and praised on RL trading websites and works with a RL trader associate" does not qualify you as an expert on anything except writing articles to be posted and praised on RL trading websites and working with a RL trader associate".
Do you get that? |

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
545
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Posted - 2012.07.26 23:50:00 -
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Herr Hammer Draken wrote:[...]
lol, WoW nice touch. Never played that title however. You but hurt?
Learn to basic-English too, if you're going to try to insult people in that language, person-who-is-not-Soundwave-whose-answer-is-therefore-irrelevant.
Next!
In irae, veritas. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1713
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:00:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
That's why the dumb guy has his articles posted and praised on RL trading websites and works with a RL trader associate.
Yet is lacking creative and objective thinking to such an extent that it is painful to see. "articles posted and praised on RL trading websites and works with a RL trader associate" does not qualify you as an expert on anything except writing articles to be posted and praised on RL trading websites and working with a RL trader associate". Do you get that?
You can always go check the last pages in my EvE trading thread and find screenshots of real trades being done, targets being called before they happened and so on. Or you could go on my own website and find the whole EvE commodity trades being taken and explained as they evolved.
Also I don't give a crap about objective thinking, it does not exist so why should I pretend to do that. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Homo Jesus
The LGBT Last Supper
30
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:02:00 -
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New barges to do the same mind numbing activity of mining? If there is a win situation here I'm not sure who it is that's winning anything especially considering with a corp invite from indytards HP doesn't really matter.....
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Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:18:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:One can only hope that this is a precursor to ice being removed from high sec 
You don't understand, do you? This is the last update CCP will *evar!* make to Eve! Game over man! Game over!!! /sarc
Glad to see someone else gets it in regards to this being a change that is a step along a path, not the final destination. Profit favors the prepared |
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